Test Box 2
Last Updated: 09/11/99 05:29 PM
- Who are you?
- Why did you do this?
fast does your Celeron 333 MHz overclock?
- How fast is
your Voodoo 3 3000 overclock?
- What is your system
- Why doesn't your
system short out?
- How much did this cost?
- Why don't you just
buy a better CPU?
- Can I do this?
- What do
I do if my question is not listed here?
My name is Dr. Ffreeze (if you want to know my real
name you must look at my old site) I am an average Joe that is a bit
extreme about his passions (many). I am a 27 year old male living in
Indianapolis, IN USA. I am currently working for a large (225,000 sq. ft.)
24 hour super store named Meijer.
(super stores sell both groceries and general merchandise). I am a Night
Store Team Leader (I am one of two that run the store at night). I have
been with the company for a little over for years. I am trying to get back
on days so that I can go back to school for Computer Science and follow my
I have been into computers for many years. I
wrote a game in high school for the Apple IIe in BASIC but it ran out of memory.
:) I really enjoy maximizing. What do I mean by that? I like
to build the best computer for the task for the least amount of money. I
like to build the most economical subwoofer that has the best sound. I
like to build the most extreme cooling system that I can fathom and afford (you
probably guessed that already) :). I love to dream. I love to
think. I love to design. I love to ask why. I love to create.
I love to teach. I love to learn. I love to live life with passion.
I am a very energetic person! (can you tell by
all of the CAPS, smilies, and exclamation points?) I am a very happy
person. I don't take credit for the happiness, as I think that it is more
than likely because I have sooo much energy. Have you every tried to frown
while you were feeling alive and energetic? It's kinda' hard to do.
I did this because I like to design and push the
envelope. If CMOS chips can run faster the colder they go, then I
shall cool the chips as cold as I can. I, much like everyone else on this
planet, can do anything that they want IF they put there mind to it. I
did. I did this to learn. I did not do this to save money (hardly).
I did not do this to run any particular application faster (although I do enjoy
a good 3D game now and again). I did not do this to make money (but if you
insist!). :) I enjoy tinkering and testing.
I am sorry to say not any faster than when I had a
fan / heatsink combo (416 MHz). WHAT!!??!! Yes, you heard right, but
let me explain (long story).
I first did Test 1 with Test Box 1 and my ASUS T2P4
that was powered by my AMD K6-2 300 MHz. I did NOT use mineral oil as this
was my first test. I was using Damp Rid (a substance that absorbs
water from the air) in Test Box 1 with a poorly designed lid. This setup
got down to -38.5 C. There was still much frost / water on the coils so I
stopped testing soon after I started. :( I did not want to
ruin my only 'puter. I did try to overclock the chip though to no avail.
The air was -38.5 C but I bet the mainboard was not (remember the ASUS T2P4 had
no temperature monitor) that cold. As a result (I feel anyway) of the poor
heat transfer of air (very little circulation if I remember correctly) the setup
did not achieve any real gains (other than to continue to educate me).
Enter Mineral Oil. I had found a great liquid
quite a while ago. It is 3M™
Fluorinert. It just so happens that Cray Super Computers (one word
or two?) use this liquid. The story goes that it was developed for the
medical field but was found to be a GREAT liquid coolant that froze at -50 C (or
there abouts). I found a reseller and it was only $100 / gal! :(
What to do? I thought of a vegetable oil but I was not willing to risk
finding out that it was corrosive to my motherboard. I searched on and off
for a suitable liquid. I stumbled in a home page of a hobbyist that built
Telsa Coils. On his site (I lost it as I have reformatted my HD since
then) he stated that Mineral Oil can be used to help cool the transformer used
to help create the high voltages needed for the Telsa Coil. He also stated
that the oil in large transformers found on telephone poles throughout the USA
was Mineral Oil (it wasn't quite like that but you get the point).
Transformer Oil = Mineral Oil (this is actually slightly incorrect but I
am still researching the difference, if you know shoot me an email).
Woohoo! I found my oil! This will transfer
heat MUCH better than air AND coat the 'puter to protect it from condensation!
(I'm going to take over the WORLD....opps, still working on that) :)
Test Box 1 did not have a good lid so Test 2 still had some problems with
condensation / frost / ice. I needed another box...
I thought that I might have something to post to my new
web site. I had used FrontPage98 before but was unable to use
FrontPage Extensions on my personal web site. I found www.accsdata.com
that would let me tinker with a new web site that used FrontPage98 server
extension for only $5 per month! Oh, lets just through something together.
Nothing really happened as far as exposure. I need to reformat my HD
because I did something to kill EverQuest
(GREAT game! Would be honored to play with anyone noble, when I have
time again). In the process I lost many things on my HD (duh, but I used
to have a "spare" HD that was now in my girlfriend's 'puter).
This was not a problem (I thought). I came home from work and saw that I
had 4,600 hits in only 24 hrs!!!!! Wow, my personal site had only 2,000
hits in two years. It was even my start page so every day or so I was
increasing my hits by 4 or 5. This interest in my new site was AMAZING!
=) () ((Sorry, I
normally hate blink but I wanted you to all see that.)) I started to
get hit with tons of email and loved it. ICQ was going berserk. I
was getting asked many of the same questions. I know that my site did not
give any real hard numbers, so I tried to update my site. I connected to
accsdata from FrontPage98 and updated my site, but when I tried to save it said
something like, "Unable to save as Dr Ffreeze.htm is an exe".
Aghhhh.... I decide before I would take the time to figure things out I
would make Test Box 2 and shoot for some hard numbers with a new lidded box.
(any FrontPage98 gurus out there? what did I do wrong and how can I fix
Enter Test Box 2! It went together quite easily.
I needed to either submerse the power supply or get some extenders.
Because of time, I just submersed it (opps, wrong answer). This caused
problems as I was having voltage swings. The system was NOT stable.
I removed the power supply and removed the cover on it. I put the power
supply back into the Mineral Oil. This helped greatly but it still did not
resolve all of the issues. The system was still not quite stable. It
was just "mostly" stable. ("No, he is just mostly
dead" = what move? email me).
I decided to update my site rather than keep you all in the dark. This
does mean that I have spent time away from my testing, but I think that most of
you will appreciate the info.
I will still be working on my system. Look at News
for further info. :)
I have not got many questions on this, but it is one
that I am most interested in. I am very interested in 1600 x 1200 as it is
fill rate bound. The extremely high MHz should help out greatly.
It's kinda' neat thinking that I might have a faster Voodoo 3 than even 3DFx has
ever tested in there R&D lab! =) What could the Voodoo 3
3000 do if it were clocked to *** MHz? I don't know, but intend to find
out. After the CPU is taken care of, this will be my next goal.
||Celeron 333 MHz oc 416 MHz
||128 MB SDRAM
||Voodoo 3 3000 166 MHz oc 183 MHz
||Maxtor 10 GB
||Generic 56k PCI
||DLink 100 Mbit PCI
Mineral Oil does not conduct electricity. It
is used to cool large transformers that can be found on telephone poles.
It is used to cool transformers for Telsa coils. Although it seems
strange, you can just dip everything right in the vat of oil.
Get back to me. I am not for sure just yet.
(it's probably better that way or I might have a heart attack)
Well, I could have done this with all of the money I
spent but what fun is that? Would you all have come to my site to see my
new PIII 500 MHz? I think not. How about I get the kinks
worked out of this and THEN buy a .18 micron K7 or .18 micron Coppermine!!!
I would like to achieve a GREATER than 1 GHz BEFORE a press release is issued by
Intel, AMD, or Kryotech! (notice I said press release as I am sure that I
am not the ONLY cooling nut on the planet) (just a thought, any of you
need some help in you R&D labs?) =)
First read this disclaimer = Overclocking may damage
you computer or possibly cause a fire which could result in loss of life and
limb. Proceed at your own risk! I am NOT responsible for any
damage, injury, or otherwise "bad things" that happens as a result of
information that is on this website.
If you are a hobbyist, go for it! K.I.P. =
Knowledge Is Power. If you want to do this commercially, please don't
without first contacting me.
Email me and / or look around! I welcome ANY
and ALL feedback! It's what keeps me going. I was actually putting
this project on a back burned (I was working on some concrete lined subwoofers
for my 'puter) until my site got "noticed". =)
Author: Dr. Ffreeze
Copyright © Dr. Ffreeze. All rights reserved.
Revised: September 11, 1999.