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An Interview with
Rev. George Malkmus
by Chet Day
as published in Health & Beyond
Rev. Malkmus, thank you for
doing this interview. Were honored to have you here in Health &
Beyond. Please begin by telling us something about yourself. Where you were
born, where you were educated, where youve lived and traveled, what youve done
with your life so far, and so on.
I was born February 12, 1934, into a typical American (German/English ancestry) home
during depression days in Yonkers, New York. Dad worked for the railroad and mother was a
registered nurse. I graduated from high school in 1952 and immediately started working for
the railroad. However, Uncle Sam soon changed my career plans, and I served in the United
States Navy during the Korean War. My duty was mainly in the Atlantic theater, visiting
ports in Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece, North Africa, Puerto Rico, as well as
many ports along the east coast of the United States. After fulfilling my obligations with
Uncle Sam, I married and returned to working for the railroad. But it was on May 29, 1957,
after attending a Billy Graham crusade rally in New York City, that I became a Christian
and my life started heading in a totally new direction. That experience so totally changed
my life that I went off to school for four years of preparation for the gospel ministry
and for the next 20 years pastored various churches in New York, North Carolina, and
Florida. For 15 of those years, I had my own radio broadcast titled America Needs
Christ, which aired on many radio stations. My most successful church, however,
was one I started from scratch in Glens Falls, New York, in 1970 that grew to over 600
members by 1976. We had a Christian school and adult Bible Institute program as well as
our own printing press, book store and over a quarter million dollars in assets. It was
while I was pastoring this church that I was told I had colon cancer in 1976.
From reading your books and
newsletters, I know your interest started in natural living when doctors diagnosed you
with colon cancer. Please share this story with our readers.
My mother was a registered nurse, a graduate of Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York City. I was
raised on the traditional American diet of cooked food with meat, dairy, and sugar deserts
served daily. My health as a child was probably average--had my tonsils removed at age 3,
experienced most of the childhood diseases, along with colds, flus, upset stomachs, and
horrible tooth decay. By the age of twelve I had over 30 amalgam (mercury) fillings in my
During my adult life my teeth
continued to deteriorate and I developed severe allergy and sinus problems; constant
pimples (which started as a teenager); started wearing eyeglasses; developed severe
hemorrhoids and hypoglycemia; and the older I got the less energy I had. But it
wasnt until the spring of 1976 that I started really getting concerned about my
health. I started feeling pressure underneath my left rib cage, and tests for blood in my
stools proved positive and doctors found a tumor about the size of a baseball underneath
my left rib cage where the transverse and descending colon pocket together. I was
devastated! Not so much because I was told I had cancer, but that God would allow me to
have this potentially life-threatening physical problem when I had dedicated my life to
Him, and had been serving Him in full time Christian ministry for so many, many years.
Just prior to being told I had colon
cancer, I had lost my mother to colon cancer after she had gone the medical route of
chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery. When mom was first diagnosed with cancer, she was a
hale and hearty woman, but immediately after starting these medical treatments, mom
visibly started to deteriorate physically very rapidly. In fact, when mother died, I felt
it had been the treatments she had been receiving at the hands of the medical doctors that
ultimately caused her death, rather than the cancer itself.
So what should I do? Mother, as a
registered nurse, had always taught me that when you have physical problems, you go to the
doctor and do exactly what he says. But after seeing what the medical doctors had done to
mother and the horrible results she had experienced at their hands, I turned my back on
the medical approach and went searching for an alternative. In my search, I remembered an
evangelist in Texas by the name of Lester Roloff who was
considered a health nut by his preacher brethren (and, might I add, was
severely criticized by his preacher brethren for his teachings on nutrition and told by
many fellow preachers time and again that this health message had no place in the church).
Brother Roloff encouraged me to
change my diet from the traditional Sad American Diet (SAD)
and adopt an all raw diet with lots of carrot juice, which I did, and stayed on for
approximately one year. Almost immediately after making this diet change, I felt worse as
my body started to throw off toxins. However, after a few weeks of cleansing reactions, I
started feeling better than I had felt in a long time and within less than one year on
this raw food diet with one to two quarts of carrot juice a day--not only had my tumor
disappeared, but so had every other physical problem I had been experiencing prior to the
diet change--my hypoglycemia, hemorrhoids, severe allergies and sinus problems, high blood
pressure, fatigue, pimple outbreaks, even body odor and dandruff were gone!
After that first year on total raw
fruits and vegetables with one to two quarts of carrot juice daily, and after all symptoms
of physical problems were gone, I did alter my diet to include about 15% cooked food. I
added things like baked potatoes, steamed vegetables, brown rice, baked squash and sweet
potatoes and occasionally whole grain pastas. And so, for the past twenty years, my diet
has consisted of approximately 85% raw, 15% cooked, with at least two eight-ounce glasses
of carrot juice daily. Then about seven or eight years ago I started adding to my diet
three to four tablespoons of Barleygreen daily. (More
about Barleygreen later). On that diet I have remained totally free of all physical
problems for 21 years. By that I mean that for the past 21 years I have not experienced so
much as a cold, sore throat, headache, upset stomach, been to a doctor or taken as much as
an aspirin while my physical abilities, stamina and endurance as a 63 year old are better
then they were as a teenager.
How and when did you first
learn about Natural Hygiene?
My first contact with Natural Hygiene was shortly after being told I had colon
cancer in 1976, when I saw an ad in a health publication advertising the Shangri-La Health
Resort and Institute in Bonita Springs, Florida, which had been founded by a Mr. Cheatham
(although he had already died by the time I learned of the Shangri-La and it was being run
by his wife and children). It was also about this same time I learned of T. C. Fry and
started reading his materials voraciously. Well, the more I learned and the more I
experienced in my own body, the more excited I became over what a changed diet and
lifestyle could do for our physical bodies. So it just naturally followed that in the
summer of 1978, after extensive talks with Mrs. Cheatham and a visit to the Shangri-La, I
accepted a position at the Shangri-La as head gardener, grounds keeper, and lecturer. I
spent two years at the Shangri-La developing organic gardens and lecturing. This was a
very exciting time in my life as I was not only in a wonderful environment for my personal
health and healing, but also it was an incredible time of learning as various Hygienic
doctors as well as other speakers were constantly coming in to lecture to the guests.
Also, Dr. Jeffrey Fine and Frank Sabatino were staff doctors while I was there and with
whom I had almost daily contact.
With all of this
background in Natural Hygiene, why is it that you never mention Natural Hygiene in your
writings or lectures?
Victoria BidWell has been very kind to me in the past and given me full page
promotions of my book Gods Way to Ultimate Health
in several of her publications which I greatly appreciated. However, after giving my book
a very nice write up, she expresses one negative: Gods Way to Ultimate Health
regrettably, does not use the term Natural Hygiene. So, why do I not
associate myself with Natural Hygiene?
In my study of the history of the
natural health reform movement in America, I find it began in the early to mid-1800s
by people who were predominantly of Christian persuasion. Victoria BidWell writes in The Health Seekers Yearbook on page 305 that: ...most
were deeply religious and made of strong Christian, moral fiber. Sylvester Graham
was a Presbyterian minister. Ellen G. White, one of these health reformers, took this
information she had learned from the earlier reformers and actually started a religious
movement out of it--known today as Seventh Day Adventism. Then for many years, this health
reform movement, for various reasons, lost steam and almost died.
Enter Dr. Shelton in the late 1920s
and the health reform movement started to gain new life. Others joined him and this all
culminated in 1948 with the establishment of the American Natural Hygiene Society. Then,
around the year 1970, T. C. Fry came on the scene and became a very outspoken
representative and presenter of Natural Hygiene.
One of the very disturbing things to
me with the approach of the modern health reform movement as promoted by the American Natural Hygiene Society is the absence of God and the
heavy emphasis on science.
The leadership of Natural Hygiene has
used evolution and science (so-called) as the foundation of their teachings rather than
the Bible and creation. Because of this removal of God, I cannot personally be a part of
or promote a movement that teaches that the human race descended from a monkey (ape,
gorilla, orangutan, etc.), and teaches us that because our digestive systems are similar
to an ape we should eat a predominantly fruit diet. My conviction is that if their
foundation is wrong, then there is nothing solid to build upon, and the movement
established on such a godless foundation will eventually crumble and fall. And that is
exactly what I see happening today within the Natural Hygiene movement. Many voices, going
in different directions, and each claiming to be the ultimate authority. I consider
science and evolution very shaky foundations because they are continually changing to
conform with more current findings.
Victoria BidWell has tried to bring
Christianity back into Natural Hygiene, and I sincerely appreciate her efforts, but she is
like a voice crying in the wilderness because the bulk of the teachings of those who have
been the most outspoken voices for Natural Hygiene in recent years have left God out. (T.
C. Fry was very openly antagonistic to Christianity and forcefully taught evolution in his
writings.) Because of this non-Christian foundation and even antagonistic attitude toward
Christianity by leaders in Natural Hygiene, rather than joining them, I felt I could reach
the general population and the Christian community much more effectively apart from the
Natural Hygiene Society than by being affiliated with it. And this has certainly proven to
be true. In just five years we have tens of thousands of people, predominantly Christians,
on a basically raw diet with literally thousands of testimonies from folks who have been
restored to health from almost every imaginable physical problem, and the testimonies
continue to pour in daily from around the world. And our publication Back to the Garden in just a little over
three years has reached a circulation of over 100,000 copies per issue.
But, in addition to the above, there
are other areas where I differ with Natural Hygiene. I guess I am kind of a maverick in
that I am always seeking truth and refuse to be locked into a system just because someone
or some group claims to have all the truth on a given subject. I am always open to new
information and then I compare this new information with the Bible, which I consider to be
For instance, I have not only spent
two years at the Shangri-La studying Natural Hygiene as well as some 20 years reading
almost all of their material, but have spent time studying the writings of Dr. Ann Wigmore
and actually studied personally under her in Boston and then practiced the Hippocrates
program for several years. I also studied under Dr. Carey Reams and spent time with him in
Blue Ridge, Georgia. I have read all the writings of Dr. N. W. Walker, the one who
introduced carrot juice to the world. And then there is Paul Bragg, one of my health
heroes, plus many, many others. But what I have tried to do through the years is take the
best from each and leave the rest so that the Hallelujah Acres approach is similar to many
but uniquely different in its simplicity and Biblical foundation.
One of the teachings of Natural
Hygiene that I feel very strongly about is its promotion of heavy fruit eating. I saw
problems with this way back when I was on staff at the Shangri-La some 20 years ago. I
personally witnessed hypoglycemic problems with people on a high raw fruit diet. In fact,
the longer I have been studying nutrition and watching the physical reactions to a high
fruit diet, the less and less fruit I encourage people to eat. Presently, I am teaching no
more than 15% of our daily diet should consist of fruit. And if a person has diabetic or
hypoglycemic problems, yeast problems, or cancer, I recommend absolutely no fruit in the
Another teaching of Natural Hygiene
that I believe is creating a lot of needless problems is distilled water fasting. I first
started having problems with water fasting when I personally went through a 14 day water
fast while at the Shangri-La some 20 years ago and noticed severe energy and weight loss
and an incredibly long recovery time to regain my strength. During my two years at the
Shangri-La (a Natural Hygiene fasting retreat) I witnessed too much to ever feel good
about water fasting, including the death of a man on a 40 day fast. When a person is sick,
I feel there are almost always two main causes for their physical problem--TOXICITY and
DEFICIENCY! Distilled water deals exclusively with the toxicity problem while
totally ignoring the deficiency problem until the fast has been completed. The
water fast does create a very rapid cleansing of the body--too rapid in many instances,
which often causes severe cleansing reactions requiring the person to have to go to bed.
Then when the fast is finally completed, it usually takes literally months for the body to
restore its vigor and strength. And I have seen some who have never regained their
strength following an extended water fast. Water fasting is too traumatic on the body, and
I believe it can cause permanent harm.
Here at Hallelujah Acres,
we teach that if people want to be well, they must first stop putting into their bodies
those substances that caused the body to break down in the first place, while at the same
time they start putting into their bodies the nutrients necessary to rebuild their bodies.
I feel the greatest and fastest way to rebuild the body is through the use of
Barleygreen and raw, freshly extracted carrot juice. And I will challenge anyone to
show me a method that gets better results than we are obtaining by using a different
approach. I am a bottom liner! I dont give a hoot about theory or what so
called science has found! What I want to know is--does it work? And does it continue
working consistently time and time again in all kinds of individuals and over the long
Another area where I disagree with
Natural Hygiene is their constantly putting down the use of raw, freshly extracted
vegetable juices. I do understand and agree with their contention that the body was
designed to receive its nourishment through the eating of whole, raw food--but we are
dealing with problems today that necessitate our taking a long, hard look as to whether in
todays world we are getting sufficient nutrients to cellular level to adequately
meet the nutritional needs of our beautiful body/temples. My contention is, that on the
diet promoted by Natural Hygiene we are not! Our soils are depleted of nutrients. Even the
use of the word organic doesnt mean very much. Organic only means that
the food was grown without poisons. It does not mean that the soil on which that food was
grown contained all the nutrients the plant needs so that the food eaten contains within
it all the nutrients our body needs when we eat that food.
The juicing of the raw vegetables
separates the fiber from the juice and by drinking just the juice without the fiber, we
are able to concentrate the nutrients. When these juices are placed into our bodies,
because they contain no fiber, the nutrients can enter almost immediately into the
bloodstream without hardly any nutritional loss. The use of freshly extracted vegetable
juices and Barleygreen are the KEY to getting the results we are experiencing with folks
who have adopted the Hallelujah Diet. For verification that these juices and
Barleygreen will do as we teach, I challenge anyone to give them a try. It is one thing to
criticize or accept anothers dogma, but that is not good enough for me. For over 20
years now, I have been studying, investigating and trying all kinds of modalities, seeking
truth and what modalities give us the most positive results.
And finally, I believe the Natural
Hygiene diet does not provide the body cells with sufficient nutrients. A look at the
health of those long time Hygienists who have followed the Hygienic diet to the
T prove the truth of what I am saying. Most of the foods grown today in both
the organic and commercial markets just do not contain all the nutrients our bodies need!
And the purists in Natural Hygiene teach against the use of any concentrated nutritionally
dense foods such as carrot juice and/or Barleygreen. Because Hygienists are not receiving
enough nutrients in the food they are eating, I find that Hygienists tend to be hungry
most of the time and as a result eat huge amounts of food. My personal experience has been
that when we stop eating the bad foods, and the cells are satisfied with high quality and
concentrated nutrients, physical problems disappear, hunger goes away, the energy level
dramatically increases and even the desire to cheat disappears.
But I do not want to close the
answering of this question on why I do not use or promote Natural Hygiene in my writings
without making some positive comments about Natural Hygiene. First, the writings of Dr. Shelton, T. C. Fry, and other Hygienists had a very powerful
influence on my life in the early days, helping me to not only switch from the traditional
SAD American diet to a more natural diet, but also it helped to open my eyes
to the horrible effect the medical/drug industry was having on the American people and how
they were destroying our beautiful bodies with their various modalities. I am also
thankful for the many people who have been reached and helped through the outreach of
Natural Hygiene. I have developed many wonderful friends through my contacts with Natural
Hygiene for which I will always be grateful.
Please tell us about your Health Ministry program, which I think is Americas best
chance for outsmarting the establishment on the health question.
Twenty-one years ago, when I switched from the SAD American diet to Gods diet,
little did I realize what an impact that simple change in what I ate would have on my
life. As I said in my previous interview, the most significant experience of my life was
when I became a Christian in 1957. However, the second most significant experience in my
life was this diet change in 1976. And just as my conversion to Christianity resulted in
my going to school to learn more about spiritual things for four years and then sharing
what I had learned for the next 20 years as a pastor of various churches , my conversion
to a natural raw diet resulted in my desire to learn all I could on nutrition, which I
have been doing for the past 21 years. However, my knowledge of nutrition has not come
through a structured classroom environment, but rather through personal experience and
Well, the more I learned and
personally experienced, the more excited I became about the eating and juicing of raw
foods and this greatly increased my desire to share what I had experienced and learned
with others. Now I knew Natural Hygiene was making some inroads into reaching the
non-Christian community, but my burden was primarily to reach the Christian community: a
community I had been ministering to for some 20 years concerning spiritual matters, and
now I had this tremendous burden to reach this same community with this message concerning
the physical body.
I started out by trying to share
Natural Hygiene literature and tapes, but this was met with very strong rejection by the
Christian community because of the heavy use of evolution by Natural Hygiene spokespeople
as the reason for making these dietary changes. The Christian community strongly rejects
the evolutionary hypothesis as to where this universe came from and how life on earth
began. The Christian community believes the Bible when it says in Genesis 1:1, In
the beginning God created.... And again in John 1:3, ...all things were made
by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. Bible-believing
Christians believe all true science supports this Bible teaching of creation.
So I was faced with a real dilemma --
how do you reach a group (Christian community) with a message they will not even listen
to, no less receive, because of very strong beliefs and pre-conditioning even though you
are one of them? For so many years, my efforts were shunned and I became very discouraged,
but I never gave up trying. Then around the year 1987, one of my pastor friends got on
this raw food, fresh carrot juice diet I was promoting and experienced wonderful healing
in his body. One day he came to me and said, Brother George,
you have got to write a book! I protested, telling him that I did not know
how to write a book -- but he persisted by telling me that the people in our churches were
sick and dying needlessly because they lacked this information. So I spent the next two
years of my life (on and off) writing the text for Why Christians Get Sick.
Finally the text was completed, and I went searching for a publisher. To my great
disappointment, not one single Christian publishing house would touch it because it was a
controversial subject and no one had ever heard of George Malkmus. Then I tried going to
the secular publishing houses and was rejected because of its Christian content.
So what do you do? Both the Christian
publishers and the secular publishers had rejected this information which I knew could
make sick people well and even save lives if only I could somehow get this message into
their hands. Also, I felt like I had wasted two years of my life by spending all this time
writing a book no one would ever read. Then I learned that I could self-publish and I
started pursuing that possibility. I talked to a local printer and he told me how it could
be done. All the printer needed was the money to pay for the printing. So I scraped
together every dime I had and finally 5,000 copies of Why Christians Get Sick
were in print. Hallelujah! I can still remember driving home from the
printer's that day with all of those cases of my books in the back of the vehicle and
thinking how everyone would now be able to buy my book, know all of these good things and
be able to get well and stay well. As it turned out, no one wanted to buy my book and
again I felt great disappointment and rejection by the Christian community.
The big break finally came on
February 12, 1992, when I opened up a little health food store and restaurant on Main
Street in Rogersville, Tennessee, a town of less than 5,000 people with practically no
nutritional awareness. The store was only eleven feet in width and seated 16 people. In
this restaurant, people could buy freshly extracted carrot juice and Barleygreen by the
glass and other vegetarian fare. Also, twice a week, I conducted a free seminar on
nutrition. In the beginning, very few people came, but gradually some of the people who
attended my seminars started to apply what I was teaching. They saw their physical
problems go away, and they started sharing their personal experiences with others. By
early 1993, many people in that little mountain community of Rogersville had seen their
physical problems go away by simply changing their diets. They shared the good news with
others and soon we couldnt fit everyone who wanted to eat or attend my
seminars into the restaurant
So in March of 1993 we moved down the
street to a 56-seat restaurant and the day we opened in this larger facility, we had to
turn people away. During 1993, our store and restaurant became the whos
who of Rogersville, as the most prominent people in our community came to us for
good food and nutritional knowledge. Even the Chamber of Commerce held their monthly
luncheons in our establishment.
By early 1994 we were getting so many
requests to hold seminars and do radio and television interviews all across America, we
just couldnt keep up with it all. So on March 28, 1994, we closed the restaurant and
moved our base of operations to our 50 acre farm in Eidson, Tennessee. Eidson is a tiny
mountain community 12 miles north of Rogersville. When we moved to the farm, our staff
consisted of only one employee in addition to me and my wife Rhonda. Today, we have 17
employees [27 as of August 1999]; six phone lines that stay jammed most of the time; a fax
line; and my book Why Christians Get Sick is presently in its
15th printing with 150,000 copies in print.
Other additions to our ministry
include a second book containing 280 pages that came out in 1995 titled Gods Way to Ultimate Health with 52,000 copies already
in print, and then there is our semi-annual news magazine, Back to the Garden. The first issue of Back
to the Garden came out in 1993 with an initial printing of 4,000 copies. Our
current issue, #15, had an initial printing of 100,000 copies and we have already had to
order an additional 25,000 copies of this issue. Back to the Garden is a
24-page publication that teaches health from a Biblical perspective and is sent out free
of charge to whoever requests it. We support our ministry through the sale of books, audio
and video tapes, Barleygreen, etc. Rhonda and I have never taken a salary from the
ministry since its beginning as our burden has been since inception to reach the world
with the message YOU DONT HAVE TO BE SICK .
In the fall of 1994, we started what
I believe will prove to be the greatest outreach effort of all -- BACK
TO THE GARDEN HEALTH MINISTRIES. The idea for this ministry came when we started
receiving requests for more information from individuals who had restored their health by
applying the nutritional principles that we teach. These good people wanted to share our
program more effectively with others. So we bring these folks to our farm for three days
of intensive training. And, as I said, most of these Health Ministers are men and women
who have been on the Hallelujah Diet and been healed of almost every physical problem they
were experiencing. Problems from terminal cancer to diabetes to arthritis to heart
problems to weight loss to you name it. Problems that just disappeared from their bodies
after making the simple dietary changes that we teach. One family, consisting of mom, dad
and four children, who are presently Health Ministers in Burlington, Vermont, has lost a
total of 285 pounds collectively as a family while dozens of physical problems have simply
disappeared from their bodies since making this diet change.
As of this writing, we have had over
600 people come through our training. One of the things that has amazed and blessed me is
the large number of professional medical people who have come for our training. They
include nine medical doctors, 58 registered nurses, 18 chiropractors, three dentists and
one optometrist. We have also had over a hundred pastors, evangelists, and missionaries
come through our training as well as homemakers and just common folk who want to help
others. These Health Ministers are now spread out over 46 states in the United States,
plus three provinces in Canada, along with several foreign countries. We have already had
people come from as far away as New Zealand and the Philippines just for the three days of
our training, and we have folks scheduled to come for our next session from South Africa.
Currently, we are conducting a Back to the Garden Health Ministry Training Session every other
month. Our capacity is only about 75 per training session and presently, because we are
having more wanting to come than we have room to accommodate, we are starting to have a
backlog. These sessions last for only two and a half days, but they are very intensive --
starting at 8:00 a.m. and continuing until 9:00 p.m. each day with very short breaks. Yet,
in spite of the small amount of training they receive, the results these Health Ministers
are obtaining in the field are extremely exciting. Here is a sampling of results from a
few of our Health Ministers:
Minister had hemorrhoids healed;
weight loss; diabetes improvement; cancer healing in 6 weeks. Graeme Coad, Virginia Beach,
One lady was in her early 50s. She
suffered from lupus, diabetes, fibromyalgia, arthritis and was very obese. She is a nurse.
After 4 mos. on the program (Hallelujah Diet) she had lost about 50 pounds; was off
insulin and off the 14 other medications including pain medication and was able to do
about 30 minutes of aerobic exercise daily. Tom & Laurie Ousley, Kokomo, IN
Lupus gone; diabetes gone; colon
tumors disappeared; female troubles improved; MS improved; mercury poisoning and psoriasis
clearing up... not enough hours in a day to meet the demand. Brian Cutts, Wallingford, CT
A medical doctor from John Hopkins
Hospital who bought some Barleygreen from me says it has cleared a rash from his face that
no drug could help. He already has his patients calling me about Barleygreen. I personally
have lost 60 pounds and people are seeing a change in my body. Robert Cyr. Jr., Baltimore,
Currently helping a recovered
diabetic -- Doctors wanted to amputate his legs -- went on (Hallelujah) diet and lost 180
lbs. -- still has both legs and Dr. will take him off medication next visit. Helmut &
Ingred Joks, Ocala, FL
This is only a small sampling of the
reports we have received from hundreds of our Health Ministers. We envision multiple
thousands of Health Ministers fanning out across not only the United States, but also the
world in the years to come, and we believe this Health Ministry has the potential of
making an impact on the world the likes of which have never been seen before. One reason
this ministry is having such an impact and is being so readily accepted is that it is
Biblically-based, simple to apply, inexpensive, can be done at home without any
professional help, and almost always gives very rapid, positive results.
Experiencing such rapid results
encourages a person to stick with the diet. Another thing that is so powerful is that our
Health Ministers only share information, and then it is up to the individual if they want
to apply that information to their own bodies or not. The Health Minister does not get
involved with the persons personal physical problems or offer specific advice for a
By not getting involved with a
persons personal physical ills or offering advice for specific symptoms, the Health
Minister avoids the potential legal problems associated with diagnosing or prescribing by
a non-professional. These Health Ministers do not even offer advice, but only share
nutritional information from a Biblical perspective. The First Amendment guarantees us
Because of the financial
backing of too many big organizations (drug companies, AMA, the SAD food industry), I
dont think the government or establishment will ever make public the truths about
the relationship between diet and disease. Since the politicians and government wont
do it, what must each of us do to get the truth out anyway?
This is a very difficult task -- not only because of the huge influence of the
manufactured food industry and medical/drug industry on our national leaders, but also
because our press is so controlled. The press, for the most part, will not even
investigate or disseminate information that is contrary to the status quo. However, I am
not discouraged and believe there are things we can do to get this message out, and we
here at Hallelujah Acres are doing all we can within the financial and staff limitations
that we have available to us.
First, we believe that one of the
greatest avenues we have of getting the health message out is to consistently live this
vegetarian lifestyle in front of family, friends, business associates, and community. As
we consistently live the lifestyle, our physical problems will go away, weight will
normalize, energy will increase, emotional problems will disappear, and those who know us
will ultimately become interested and start asking questions. We have found that once a
person gets on our program and all of their physical and emotional problems go away, most
of them become flaming evangelists for this way of life. As proof of this statement, we
have thousands of people on our program who are sharing this message with almost everyone
they come in contact with.
Secondly, when others start asking
questions we must be able to provide simple answers. Most people do not want difficult to
understand or scientific answers or complicated modalities. Keeping the program simple is
a vital reason why Hallelujah Acres has been able to reach tens of thousands
of people around the world in only a few short years. We do not teach that a person has to
seek out a health professional, stop working, go to bed, or go on an extended water fast.
This approach will turn off the majority of people!
Thirdly, we must educate those who
show interest with every means possible -- including seminars, newsletters, books, audio
and video tapes. I find testimonials one of the greatest tools in getting a persons
attention so that they will start investigating the vegetarian lifestyle further.
Fourthly, at Hallelujah Acres we are
also using the media of radio and television to get this message out. For several years
now, I have been doing almost weekly radio and TV interviews across America. Recently, I
was granted a nine minute interview on the 700 Club. The 700 Club
is a syndicated Christian broadcast hosted by Pat Robertson that is received across
America on the Family Channel and is viewed by literally millions of people. Well, the
response to this interview was the greatest the 700 Club had ever experienced in
their entire history, and they were not ready for what happened. So many people called in
wanting more information on the healthy lifestyle I talked about that they were able to
process only about 12,000 of the requests for more information, while over 100,000 calls
Fifthly, I believe the reason for
making this lifestyle change must come from a higher authority than man. Promotion of
vegetarianism by animal rights activists will appeal to some, but not to the majority. We
have also found that because this vegetarian lifestyle has been associated with the
hippie and New Age movements, it has turned the majority of the
American people and especially the Christian community against it. I feel that the only
way to reach the masses is to show them that this diet and lifestyle was given originally
to mankind by the very creator of mankind -- God Himself! This is the highest authority
and this vegetarian diet was given to mankind approximately six thousand years ago in the
Garden of Eden. It is recorded in the Bible in Genesis 1:29.
For years, you were a voice in
the Christian wilderness, accused by fellow pastors as having fallen prey to New Age
tendencies and far-out ideas. Why and how did you continue in the midst of such
resistance? Why didnt this closemindedness sour you on the Christian community?
That is a reasonable question to ask, but a very easy one for me to answer. My
belief system is not founded on people -- what they believe or dont believe or do or
dont do. My foundation as to what is truth and what is error is founded on the Word
of God -- The Bible! As far as I am concerned, the Bible is the only source of absolute
truth mankind possesses. So when I found in the Bible that God created man to be
vegetarian and gave mankind an original diet of raw fruits and vegetables in Genesis 1:29
-- then I knew that I had a truth that no Christian could refute if I could only get them
to check out what I was teaching in the Bible.
I also knew that I had walked in
gross ignorance for 42 years of my life as far as how to nourish or take care of my body
was concerned. I knew that if this Health Message was going to reach the world, the only
way it could happen would be to get it into the church. I knew that if I could get this
message into the church it would ultimately move like wild-fire throughout this country
and around the world. I knew that the Christian community does not move rapidly to accept
new ideas because it is very concerned about accepting error or doing something that is
contrary to the will of God.
And so, I just kept hammering away at
the Christian community until some started to listen and apply what I was teaching and get
well. It worked! Now, just five years later, this Health Message is literally going around
the world and it is going forth through this same Christian community that resisted it so
intensely in the beginning. This past week we appeared before millions of Christians on
the 700 Club and then just yesterday I was told that another large Christian
network wanted to interview me. The reformers of the 1800s did a mighty job disseminating
this Health Message without radio, television, the Internet or Web page. Today, with all
of the modern means of communication available to us, I believe that it wont be long
before this Health Message will be mainstream in America, if not in the entire world.
You dont write much about
your personal spiritual growth as a result of developing the Hallelujah Diet and program.
Would you like to tell us how your diet and life-style has deepened your own connection
with God? Dr. Cousens says a high raw diet increases ones connection to the Divine.
Do you agree?
I personally do not believe that diet has anything whatsoever to do with our relationship
or connection with God! The Bible says in John 14:6, Jesus said unto him, I am the
way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. And again,
He that hath the son hath (spiritual) life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath
not life. (I John 5:12). The Bible teaches that our
relationship with God is by faith -- through Jesus alone -- and not by anything we do or
dont do physically! Galatians 3:2-3 brings this out very clearly by stating:
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or
by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made
perfect by the flesh?
Now I do acknowledge and believe that
a raw vegetarian diet will heighten our awareness of God by cleaning out the body/temple
and bringing us closer to His creation! But I do not believe that the vegetarian diet or
lifestyle is the basis for our relationship or connection with God! This comes only by
faith through Jesus Christ! Another thing this raw diet has done for me is to convince me
even more that the Bible is indeed the very word of God! Why? Because this raw vegetarian
diet was given by God to mankind, in the Garden of Eden, immediately after creation some
six thousand years ago, and it all is recorded in the Bible. Who better to tell us of the
proper fuel for our physical bodies than the Creator Himself! And when we apply this
teaching, our bodies respond by getting well and staying well. This is another powerful
confirmation of the Bibles accuracy.
I recently heard three fabulous
tape recordings about Grace Stern Swansons remarkable spiritual growth as a result
of a 42-day water fast. And of course we have lots of Biblical evidence for extended
fasting. Do you feel theres a place for water fasting for enhancing our individual
connection with God?
Ever since spending two years at the Shangri-La Natural Hygiene Resort and Fasting
Retreat in Bonita Springs, Florida and what I personally experienced there on a
14-day distilled water fast, as well as what I personally observed others experiencing, I
have very strong concerns about water fasting for any reason. Websters
dictionary gives over a dozen definitions for the word fast. One of them
to eat sparingly or abstain from some foods. When the Bible uses
the word fast, I am not sure whether it means that just water was consumed
during those fasts or not. In any event, I consider a juice fast on raw vegetables a much
better and safer means of fasting and if someone wanted to spend that time communicating
with God, all the better.
You get at least one hour of
vigorous aerobic exercise daily. What is the best time of day to do the exercise? If
its in the morning do you do it before or after Barleygreen? Why? What kinds of
exercise do you do?
I feel that morning is the very best time to do exercise. It does not take away
energy from the day. It actually gives energy. I do it after Barleygreen. Sometimes people
say they dont have enough time to exercise. I get up at four oclock so I can
make sure that I have time to fit it in. My exercising varies. I like to walk, I like to
speed walk, I like to jog, but not extended distances. I have my own gym and in there I
have a NordicTrack. I have also a Nordic CTX machine, which
is a weight resistance machine. I have a rebounder and I have an AbWorks. I also have some
light weights. I just kind of do various things. I dont do the same thing everyday.
I try to do an hour total each day and in addition to that, I like to do my gardening and
I like to climb the mountains, and I like to do other physical things.
Would you say something about
the inches youve gained after many years of being the same weight.
About six months ago I got the Nordic CTX machine -- a weight resistance machine
-- I took my measurements before I started doing that machine and in six months Ive
added two inches to my chest and almost an inch to my biceps. This is at almost age 64. I
was kind of encouraged to see that.
Please say a few words
regarding your conclusions about eggs and cheese.
Well, first off, Ive not done any so-called scientific experiments with it,
but my whole feeling is that animal products are not the best thing to put into our
bodies. I dont believe our digestive system was ever designed to handle that. We
have masticating teeth, not canine teeth, and if we were supposed to eat anything from an
animal source I believe it would absolutely have to be in a raw form because when you put
heat to it you destroy so much of it.
Have you ever experimented
personally with having raw eggs?
No, I havent experimented with them. I have very strong feelings against
Youve been very
For 21 years.
A lot of my readers are feeling
these days that they have to have some animal products, so its good to hear from
someone whos gone without eating animal products for that long without encountering
deficiencies or difficulties.
I think the reason why Hygienists are oftentimes feeling a need for something more
is because theyre not concentrating the nutrients from the vegetables. The
bodys just not able to extract enough from the raw food. Digestion uses a lot of
energy. Were almost self-defeating by eating these huge amounts and getting so
little nutrients actually into the cells and thats why the key to our ministry and
the results that were getting I feel is because of the concentrations of these
nutrients in the carrot juice and in the Barleygreen.
I think thats one of the
places where Hygienes really fallen down by rejecting the juicing. I think
theyve made a big mistake with that.
Its interesting. Theyre rejecting it in their official publications,
but I find that many of them practice it.
Would you say something about
nuts, seeds, and sprouts and their place in the Hallelujah Diet.
I used to do a lot with sprouts... had my windowsills covered with them, but at
Gerson they started having some problems with sprouts. They were having people going
through their program, responding well, recovering from serious cancers, and then going
home and going backwards. They found often that these people were using an abundance of
sprouts. So Ive just about eliminated sprouts from my diet. Not that I wouldnt
eat alfalfa sprouts on a sandwich or something like that on occasion, but I feel the
juices are so much more important and so much easier really.
As far as seeds and nuts go I feel
that theyre really high in protein and fat and difficult to digest. I dont say
no seeds or nuts, but I say go real easy with them and the best I find are the raw almonds
and the raw sunflower. And then I even prefer to soak them 24 hours in distilled water to
help them break that protein down.
Weve been talking about
other countries going international with the Hallelujah Diet. Will you share with H&B
readers some of the experiences youre having there.
Yes. We are literally finding this message going around the world. We have health
ministers that have come from New Zealand and the Philippines and Mexico and Canada and we
have folks coming in for our May session from South Africa. Thats to learn from us
so that they can share this message better in their own countries. But also our literature
and our tapes are going around the world. We just recently had an order for sixteen cases
of Gods Way to Ultimate Health from Singapore. This is very exciting,
and we just see this continuing to accelerate.
Have you had any legal problems
or threats from the government, establishment, AMA, or representatives of the status quo?
No. The approach that we use I think is fairly unique in that we teach nutrition
from a Biblical perspective. Im an ordained minister and the first amendment still
gives me the right to teach Biblical things. So I think our approach is different than
many others out there and thus far we havent had any problems.
And you dont seem to
anticipate any either?
Well, thats hard to know. This message is so well distributed now across
America and even the world that I think it would be very difficult to stop it even if I
You talked about fasting in
Part 1 of your interview. I want to follow up on that a little bit and ask what you would
recommend -- just juice dieting and Barleygreen or do you feel that using the basic
Hallelujah Diet is enough to detox the body. I guess Im asking Is there ever a
place for juice dieting and Barleygreen alone for a week or two?
I personally feel that distilled water fasting creates too rapid a cleansing, and
I feel that just juicing, even though youre nourishing, can create too rapid a
cleansing. And I really prefer the Hallelujah Diet where we allow some cooked food and
some raw food in the diet. The body still does its detox, it does its cleanse. It just
does it over a more extended time so that the person doesnt go through these harsh
cleansing reactions. And Im finding as good, if not better, results than when I used
to teach all raw without any cooked. It makes it much more doable. I used to find that
when I tried to get folks to go all raw that they were cheating all the time. A little
cooked at the end of the evening meal seems to make it easier.
Suppose you came into a
windfall of several billion dollars to be used for research and development only. What
area or areas would you choose to focus upon to either advance our knowledge of Natural
Hygiene [or the Hallelujah Diet and program] or provide irrefutable proof of its validity?
Well, I think thats really where the need is... irrefutable proof... because
the establishment will not do any investigation or studies into what a raw diet will do in
effect on the human body and then they refuse to accept any independent research. All they
say is, Hey, theres no documentation out there. So if I had the money, I
think that is the area where we would do some real solid studies to show them beyond any
shadow of a doubt that it does work. Because it does.
Natural Hygiene speaks often of
vital force and nerve energy but these terms remain essentially
elusive and ill-defined. Do you think that the concept of prana in Indian
philosophy/yoga and ayurvedic medicine and Qi (chi, ki) in Chinese/Japanese medicine and
philosophy (where they have been elaborated on at length) have relevance to or can throw
light on the Hygienic concepts of vital force and nerve energy?
(James Heney) I guess Mr. Heneys getting at a simple question: Whats the life
force that drives us and keeps us alive?
Enzymes. Yeah, you see man is a three-part being... body, soul, and spirit. All I
learned when I went to Bible college to prepare to be a pastor and a minister of the
Gospel was the spiritual part and I learned nothing of the physical part. And yet the
physical part is what carries around the spiritual part. I feel that the spiritual part is
something we do by faith... not by experience... I see many people trying to connect the
physical with the spiritual by... if we fast, if we go raw, if we do this, were
going to have some new spiritual power. And I really dont subscribe to that or find
it Biblically based.
So for you the fundamental is
faith. And that the faith can be strengthened and deepened with the program.
Exactly. But its not what creates it.
This next question is
interesting, also from James Heney. Do you regard any pathological conditions or disease
syndromes as essentially irremediable by the Hallelujah Diet and program, and if so would
you have recourse to modalities to correct them? If so, what modalities would you employ
or recommend be employed?
Good question. I tell folks, quite contrary to the medical profession that gives them so
many months to live in many cases, I say that as long as theres life and breath
theres hope. And I find one of the most horrible things is when a medical doctor
pronounces the death sentence on a person because I believe it affects them and their
ability to heal because they feel its hopeless now, and the body just takes that
signal and starts shutting down. We find within six months from the time a person makes
this dietary change over ninety percent of all physical problems are gone. Not a 100% but
over 90% and there have been numerous cases where I felt it was hopeless, even though I
didnt admit that, where the recoveries were almost miraculous. So I just feel that
the body wants to be well and if we will bring conditions as conducive to healing as
possible within the body the body will do its utmost to recover.
Have you in your experience
come across anything or any modality outside the Hallelujah Diet and program as currently
understood that you feel has merit in terms of promoting health? If so, please identify
and discuss. (James Heney)
Well, this is an area where Im doing a lot of research, and I really
havent come to any firm conclusions on it.
How about acupuncture?
Once again, theres a stimulation there, but I really prefer to stick with
simplicity. What weve got, I havent really seen anybody we couldnt help
that somebody else has been able to help with other modalities. One of the things that
makes the Hallelujah Diet so unique is the simplicity of it and that it works in so many
cases. Im not sure that theres something more that can be done. I keep
looking. Id love to have 100%. So I keep looking.
Do you perceive any one element
of the Hallelujah Diet and program (raw foods, exercise, sunlight), as being more
fundamental or important than others? Do you think that too much emphasis is placed on
some and others relatively neglected? (James Heney)
I think they all work together. As far as nutrients are concerned, I feel the
Barleygreen is the most nutritionally dense food we can put into our bodies. Bar none. I
feel carrot juice is number two. I feel the raw food is number three. The cooked food is
basically to slow down detox and for the psyche. Exercise I feel is extremely important
and could be as important as the nutrients. But a person needs to be careful not to
enervate, depending on what their physical condition is. Start slow and build as the body
allows. The combination of it all... theres really no one single thing thats
going to get the job done.
I think prayer or meditation,
depending on where youre coming from, is also important. For me its three key
things: its exercise, its diet, and its peace of mind.
Yeah, meditation is excellent. Prayer is excellent. There needs to be a real
positive feeling within or thoughts within that Im going to get well, I can get
well, what Im doing is going to create this healing within my body. The negative
thinking will definitely lead in the opposite direction.
Nows a good chance to
discuss more about Barleygreen. Would you tell my diehard Natural Hygienist readers why
they should at least give Barleygreen a try?
Well, I thought the same thing for many, many years. Of course I was indoctrinated
by Natural Hygiene and so when I first came in contact with Barleygreen about eight years
ago, I had a lady friend on her way from Pennsylvania to Florida stop by and see me here
in Tennessee. She had the first jar of Barleygreen I ever saw. She started telling me what
a wonderful product it was. At that time, I was on fresh, raw wheatgrass juice. Id
been growing it in my windowsill for about two years after going up to Dr. Ann Wigmores and learning the Hippocrates Diet. I just
never gave my friends request to try Barleygreen a tumble. But she left me the jar
and Dr. Ruth Swopes book Green Leaves of Barley and after she left I
started reading the book and started seeing the testimonies. I couldnt refute the
testimonies so I decided to give it a fair try in my body, and the only way I knew to do
that was to stop the wheatgrass and just do the Barleygreen. After about three or four
days on this green powder, I noticed energy increase and better endurance in my jogging.
Ive never gone back to the wheatgrass.
Theres two foundations that I
have used for 21 years to arrive at where I am today. Number one, I feel from the Genesis
1:29 scripture that Gods original diet for mankind was raw fruits and raw
vegetables. Thats been a steadying force or anchor for me and kept me from going too
far afield with so many of the voices that are out there crying for us to follow.
The other thing that has been a real
foundation for me is a simple question: Does it work? I dont care what the claims
are or whats on the bottle as far as the nutrients are supposed to be... but does it
work? Does it work consistently over the long haul for all types of physical problems?
The Barleygreen, as I learned about
it and did research on it, I found that its a raw food. It is unique from all the
other supplements -- if I dare put it in that category -- that are out there in that Dr.
Higawara who developed it found in the humble blade of barley grass the most nutritionally
dense source of nutrients on earth after examining some 500 different green plants. After
he had grown it organically and run it through a juicing machine, he found immediately
after removing the juice from the fiber of the plant that it started to oxidize and lose
That wouldnt do because
ultimately it would lose all its nutritional power so he had a very difficult task: to get
the nutrients from the cell of the plant to the cell of the body without losing them. So
the first step was to find a way to stop that oxidation. He did that through maltodextrin,
which is a carbohydrate. So as soon as he released the juice from the fiber of the plant
he binds it to maltodextrin which stabilizes it or stops further oxidation. Then he
reduces the juice to a powder in a vacuum in two seconds at room temperature. Because of
the stabilizing and no heat processing Barleygreen remains a raw product with enzymes
still alive for three to five years in powdered form.
It is the key to us getting the
results that we get here at Hallelujah Acres because when we introduce this
program to somebody and they have a physical problem, if they dont see some results
fairly quickly theyre not as inclined to stay with it.
The Barleygreen impacts the immune
system and starts rebuilding the essential organs so rapidly that usually within three to
five days theyll noticed some improvement. And thats a fast turn around. We
have many people who have told us that within three weeks theyve lost physical
problems of twenty years standing.
We believe the Barleygreen is the key
to getting this rapid response. Of course the carrot juice follows up. Its a
living water that just does beautiful things in the body. The combination is
giving us results that I dont know anyone else is getting.
Can you tell us more about
Its a carbohydrate thats derived from corn and it converts to sugar,
as does any carbohydrate, but it is the very key to making Barleygreen work.
I had a man come to me with one of
these other green powders at one of my meetings and he said, Look at all that
filler. Youre just using filler so you dont have to put so much barley juice
in there. And then I told him what I just shared with you about it being the key. I
said If your product doesnt have it, its no good. Over a period of time,
its going to oxidize and lose its nutritional value.
And youve tried the other
barley products? Experimented with them?
Oh yeah. And we have people coming to us all the time who have used these others
and then we get them on the AIM Barleygreen and they see an almost immediate difference
I also want to ask about Herbal
Fiberblend. Again, I didnt try that for a long time because I thought that if was
eating right I didnt need anything else. But then when I started getting such good
results with the Barleygreen I tried the Fiberblend as well and have had good results with
it too. So would you share something about Herbal Fiberblend?
I find that there are two basic causes for physical problems: one is deficiency
and the other is toxicity. The Barleygreen and Hallelujah Diet deal with deficiency but
the toxicity... if we start flooding the body with all these good nutrients... especially
in the juice form... and the body starts releasing these toxins, we need to make sure that
they get out before they get reabsorbed into the body. We find that the Herbal Fiberblend,
which is nothing but psyllium and herbs, starts moving the crud out at a more rapid pace.
Also something else that Ive
found interesting: Natural Hygiene has always been against any kind of colon cleansing. I
went total raw for a full year when I first went on this diet back in 1976. I mean, I was
total raw. And after over a year of total raw, I started reading about colon cleansing and
I thought it made a lot of sense and so I got myself a colema board and went on a week
juice fast and every three hours Id have a carrot juice (with other green veggies in
the carrot juice) and at the hour and a half mark (which would also be every three hours)
I would use a heaping teaspoon of psyllium and a tablespoon of bentonite. It was really a
juice fast for a week with the psyllium/bentonite. Every morning and evening I would run
four to five gallons of water through my colon.
I was absolutely flabbergasted
because I thought my colon should be clean after a year of total raw. I probably got two
to three gallons of the most horrible, hardened crud (almost like inner tube in hardness),
and it just proved to me that thats one area, that mucus lining will not come off
easily, especially if you get into heavier incrustration.
What the Herbal Fiberblend does is to
keep it clean. Especially if weve gotten it clean. And it will also stop any further
build-up. I take it personally because any time we put a cooked food into our body the
body reacts by forming mucus to envelope it and help it through. And if we continue eating
cooked food, that mucus can slough off and start building up on that wall. And I do eat
some cooked food. So I just take the Herbal Fiberblend and then I know Im keeping my
colon nice and clean.
A number of my friends
and subscribers are very keen on the instinctive eating school of nutrition. Would you say
a few words about that?
I think that has potential problems. I instinctively ate for 42 years of my life, and I
instinctively went to the junk foods and the sugary and salty products so I dont
think our instincts are that attuned. I think the animals still have it, but I think ours
have been pretty warped and degraded.
What is your opinion about the
use of frozen or dehydrated whole plant foods? (Sandy LaBedz)
The only method I know of that will preserve the nutrients, including enzymes, is
dehydration. And yet it is important that the dehydrator be one that has a thermostatic
setting where you can put the temperature at 107 degrees or lower so that you dont
kill the enzymes. All those dehydrators that have set themostats are usually about 160
degrees and theyre going to zap most of the nutrients.
I think for frozen fruits --
strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, and the like -- I think they are protected to some
degree, but I dont know any better way to preserve them and certainly theyre
better than store-bought in the winter time.
Some experts recommend rotating
ones foods to avoid contact with one food or family of food on a regular basis.
Supposedly this helps to prevent or exacerbate food allergies. Others recommend eating
instinctively, eating only what smells and tastes appealing at a given moment. Apparently,
these are contradictory approaches. Do you have comments on either or both? Should we ever
eat things which we dont particularly enjoy but which we know are
allegedly good for us (e.g., raw broccoli)? (Sandy LaBedz)
I dont find any problem with food allergies on our program. The allergies
usually just disappear. Most allergies are nothing but an immune system not functioning
properly. As far as rotation is concerned, I find the animals in the wild dont have
the large variety. In fact, something that was very interesting, a study that I read many
years ago, where they took an animal and gave it only one kind of grass over its entire
lifetime -- no variety at all-- they found that even though nutrients the body needed were
not in that particular grass the body was able from the raw materials to convert it and
make every single nutrient the body needed. Which I thought was really, really
interesting. So I personally dont think its necessary to rotate foods.
What are the ideal percentages
of fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds, avocados, grains and legumes (raw, soaked, sprouted or
cooked), overall fat, and cooked food in the diet? (Sandy LaBedz)
I used to be much higher in fruit than I am now. I used to teach 65/35 vegetable
to fruit. Ive seen so many adverse reactions to too much fruit in the diet that
Im today promoting an 85/15 split--only 15% fruit, and only that if a person does
not have hypoglycemic or diabetic problems or yeast infections or cancer. And if they have
any of those problems I recommend no fruit in the diet.
I think Hygiene has really
overemphasized fruit in the past and I think thats created a lot of problems.
Oh, I think it has too. All of
Stanley Basss experience has proven exactly the same thing. He takes all his cancer
patients off fruit immediately.
Well, Gerson found that the high sugar in the natural fruit can cause capillaries
to open and cancer to spread. So were getting more and more to indicate that fruit
can be a negative. As far as seeds and nuts, I just dont use them on a consistent
daily basis. Im not against them, but I say go real easy with them.
Thats what I find too. I
mean, I love nuts but I have trouble digesting them.
There is one thing I just thought of that I do use and have only added in the last
year maybe or so to my diet and thats raw flax seed oil.
I feel that our body does need some oil of high quality, and I believe the raw flax
seed--the omega 6--its better quality than the fish oil and I like the source
better. The only other oil I recommend is the extra virgin olive oil. If its extra
virgin that means its raw from the flesh; if its just olive oil then it means
its heat-extracted from the seed, which I feel is carcinogenic.
How about ground up flaxseed?
I use them occasionally and think they can be very beneficial.
Bob Avery always asks my
interview guests about bee pollen and bee products. Would you say a few words about that,
For 21 years almost Ive tried them, not tried them; used them, not used
them. And I have never one time been able to tell any difference when I used them and
didnt use them. I have read pros and cons about them and some say they are
indigestible by the body while others say they are a wonderful source of nutrition. I
cant say anything positive because Ive never experienced anything positive.
Disdain for enemas/colonics
seems to be a tenet of Natural Hygiene, yet Dr. N.W. Walker, who used and advocated them,
outlived any Hygienist Ive ever heard of. How come?
Well, I do not believe there is much use or need to go to a therapist for a colonic. I
feel that all theyre going to do is get the loose feces out and its not going
to get to the crud that we need to get. And theyre expensive. So I prefer to get
your own colema board... thats a lifetime investment and is a much better way to go.
Dr. Walker, bless his heart,
hes one of my health heroes, but I dont subscribe to his high colon enemas. I
think we have better ways now. But that guy was a jewel.
Do you feel that cooked whole
grains, legumes, and steamed vegetables are unnecessary or even deleterious if a person
could eat an all raw diet? (Deborah Boyar)
I feel that they are probably beneficial. I find that on the total raw diet that
there is not always sufficient carbohydrates. Even though were killing the food by
cooking it, its not cell food, its still providing carbohydrates which keeps
our body temperature at 98.6, gives energy, and so forth. So I have made for the last 20
years part of my almost daily diet some cooked legumes, steamed vegetables, on occasional
whole grain pastas and things like that.
I believe the original diet was all
raw, as it is for all animal live. But I think weve had so many generations
consuming cooked food that the body has somehow adapted maybe even a need for some. I
dont understand it all. I do find that I do better when I have some cooked food.
Linus Pauling said that people
taking 1000 mg of Vitamin C a day had reduced incidence of asthma. Do you think there is
any truth to that finding? (Fred Sobelmobile)
I feel all supplements are in a form contrary to the way God designed us to
receive our nutrients, even the natural ones. You can take a 1000 mg of Vitamin C out of
its natural setting where it has its proper relationship to the enzymes, to the minerals,
to the protein, and put it in a capsule of some kind and swallow it. And it goes down to
the bottom of the tummy and starts dissolving. I believe the body rather than receiving it
as nutrition receives it as a toxic substance.
In fact I feel anything that goes in
our body is received either as nutrition or poison. Our original genetic coding determines
which is what. So I think the body will make every effort to excrete it or get ride of it
as rapidly as possible, usually through the urine. As one doctor said, It makes
mighty expensive urine.
Ive heard people say they think
theyd had some improvement through the use of supplements, but I feel its more
of a stimulating nature like a cup of coffee with its caffeine rather than as a
Linus Pauling may have had some
improvement in asthma and other physical problems, but he talked about improvement.
Im talking about these things going away by simply making dietary changes. So I
dont think theres really a place for high dose supplementation.
Will you say something about
water and our needs for water. I recently read a book that says that were all
severely dehydrated. Do you agree?
I think thats definitely true, but I think there are different kinds of
water and we need to be careful about what kind of water we put in our body. I think the
very best water we can put into our body is the naturally distilled living water found in
the raw fruits and raw vegetables. That, I believe, makes the greatest positive impact on
our bodies. The only other water Ive had for the last 21 years is steamed distilled,
which in its processing destroys the bacteria through the boiling and leaves all the
contaminants behind as the steam rises. Some of the chemicals can vaporize and rise with
the steam so its important to have a post charcoal filter to remove that.
Thats the purest water I know of, and it will help to leach out the inorganic
minerals in our systems. It will not touch an organic or living mineral in the body,
contrary to what some people say.
Lets talk politics for a
minute. What about how were all caught in the grasp of the health insurance and
medical industries? Please comment.
Well, Im not against doctors. Im not against nurses. I think most of
them went into the profession with a sincere desire to help people, but Ive found
that what theyre taught is absolutely horrible. Its hurting people, in fact
killing people with drugs and various modalities that they use. And so we live in a
society where these medical modalities are so expensive that the average person can not
afford them. So that has brought about this health insurance business. And its a
very, very profitable business. Ive personally not had any health insurance in 21
years. I have accident insurance but not health insurance because the last person I would
go to with a disease problem would be a medical doctor because they do not have any
knowledge of how to make the body well except for the use of drugs, radiation, and surgery
which are counterproductive.
I also feel that this is a political
thing in that if we are sick and then the government has some kind of control over the
insurance that the people have, including Medicare, that they have a hold on us because if
they can control our bodies they can control us, to a great degree.
So one of the greatest ways to break
the shackles is to have a well body and I think this would bring back tremendous control
to the individual. Its an interesting topic.
It really is, as is the whole
business of taking responsibility for ourselves, too, instead of looking for the magic
pill thats going to let us run rampant with all our desires.
I find Medicare, for instance, as a
means of milking the American people to bring huge amounts of money into the medical/drug
industry at the expense of the elderly. Rather than helping them, theyre creating
more problems for them. Literally killing them. None of our government leaders will do
anything to reverse this.
The Bible contains many
references to healing through the laying on of hands. Your comments, please.
Ive been in the Christian environment since 1957 when I became a Christian
and Ive been in many, many churches. Pastored numerous ones myself. I have seen all
kinds of physical sickness within the church over these many years and hardly ever have I
seen anybody ever really get well. Some people have claimed healing, but a month later
there they are with the same problems back again.
I had a young lady in one of my
churches many years ago who had severe arthritis. She was confined to a wheelchair. She
went to one of these healing meetings and under the influence of the speaker and the
setting she literally got up and walked.
She came back home and not only was
not able to walk, but she couldnt even sit in a wheelchair. I really have some
serious misgivings about these so-called healers who use the spiritual/Christianity as the
Im not saying God cant
heal because He can. But over 90% of all the prayer requests in all my churches and every
church Ive ever been associated with have been for sickness. The percentages of
Christians dying of heart attacks, strokes, cancer and diabetes is identical to the
non-Christian community. I have some strong reservations as to whether God is doing a lot
Well, were doing it to
ourselves. Once people get on the Hallelujah Diet, they get well. Which is how God means
for us to be anyway.
Thats what I feel. Were looking to God to come rescue us after we have
messed up our bodies by putting wrong things into them. Using God like a fire alarm box.
He doesnt respond very well. Yet Hell respond completely if we follow the laws
Hes given us.
What final words do you have
I just challenge folks if theyre having any physical problems that
havent been corrected using other modalities to give the Hallelujah Diet ninety days
in their body. We find many folks who have come to us who have used other means without
getting results and have gotten on our program and have. It cant hurt them, and
its helped multitudes.