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Subject-jet car handouts
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 14:06:58 (EST)
From-Gary O < kgosborn@selec.net>


Postman,
I still have my Captain Jack handout that I got from him back in the 70's. I also have a couple more jet car handouts from a few guys. I will see if I can scan them all into one photo and send them to CC tonight or tomorrow.

go



Subject-Franklin--Capt Jack
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 13:04:16 (EST)
From-Frank Oglesby < oglesby@ellijay>


Franklin----Before the kart Jack had a 64-65 Chevelle with a turbonique(as you know that went on the back of the rear end AND drove the wheels)
I was coming in to the track at Dallas Ga with Beswicks Nitro--GTO to race Bobby Wood.
To get to the pit area from the road you had to cross the track on the top end.
I was sitting there waiting for Jack to run so I could cross the track and about 600 ft he loses it flips a couple times and slids right up to me on the roof with the rear wheels still running about 200 mph.--Frank



Subject-Whatever happened to????
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 12:53:14 (EST)
From-Harvey Rumpel < hrumpel@erols.com>


I used to match race my bantam fuel altered "Rumpled Foreskin" all over the midwest. Many times we were paired up aginst this guy from the Chicago area in a Toppolino called "The Illinois Enema Bandit". His name was Fred, I believe. I lost touch with him over the years, but I recently restored the old "Rumpled" machine and are looking for someone to race. With this new ADRA deal we might have something really good going on here, and if me and Fred can hook up again, who knows?


Subject-Capt. Jack
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 12:02:39 (EST)
From-Franklin Ratliff < fratliff@apexmail.com>


Postman,

Before McClure ran the peroxide rocket kart, he drove a rocket kart powered by a pair of Turbonique motors.



Subject-rockets
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 11:42:19 (EST)
From-Postman < xpostman@prodigy.net>


Wasn't it Capt. Jack on a rocket kart? I remember seeing it at Great Lakes dragway back in the late 60's. I even got some 8mm footage of him at night but all you relly see is the fire from motor in the film. Anyone have a pic of the kart or have it on a site?

Postman



Subject-It's ALIIIVE!
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 10:24:01 (EST)
From-D. Spurlock < spurlda@pacbell.net>


Hey Pat Green, you see where John Paxson got cyber? Wonders never cease, now he can join in the fun. Welcome John.


Subject-The original hydrogen peroxide rocket cars
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 08:17:37 (EST)
From-Franklin Ratliff < fratliff@apexmail.com>


Reaction Dynamics X-1 (1967)
Arvil Porter's X-1 (1970)
Reaction Dynamics Blue Flame (1970)
Bill Frederick's Courage of Australia (1971)
Tony Fox's first Pollution Packer (1972)
Jack McClure's go-kart (1972)
Mendez/Blakely/Alvarez Free Spirit (1973)

The years are the one in which the vehicle was finished and first run. Other than the X-1 name, there was no connection between the Reaction Dynamics X-1 and Arvil Porter's X-1. The Reaction Dynamics X-1 resembled a late sixties F1 car while Arvil Porter's X-1 was a go-kart configuration. However, the first Pollution Packer was powered by the engine from the Reaction Dynamics X-1.



Subject-Rocket Cars
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 08:00:25 (EST)
From-Franklin Ratliff < fratliff@apexmail.com>


The ARMOR ALL car used a motor built by Bill Frederick.

(John Paxson -- Did anybody ever figure out how many SMI Motivator/Budweiser rocket cars Frederick built?)



Subject-Kitty, did ya say Kitty.....????
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 07:20:26 (EST)
From-Charles Jolliff < chucky1@bootheel.net>


Ky Michaelson ran into her within the last couple of years,
according to Waldo Stakes, in either Wisconsin or Minnesota.
I believe he said near the twin cities in Minnesota, so
I was assuming ( you know what that gets ya) St.Paul/Minneapolis area.
She is doing better and was waitressing.....
Did any of you ever see the movie based on her life...
"Silent Victory"? It came out in late 70's...79? with
Stockard Channing playing the part of Kitty.
Another one of those life stories that wasn't complete at
the time...due to the events that followed the movies release.



Subject-Welcome, John
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 07:20:10 (EST)
From-Stan < berrys@ruraltel.net>


Welmcome to Header Flames, John. I have a lot of respect for the rocket and jet car fellas....even though ya gotta be nuts to crawl behind the wheel of one of them deals, ha ha. Feel free to tell all the "war stories" ya want because that's why the vast majority of HF folks tune in here.
Frank: What Jungle didn't tell ya was, you can also find out lots of BAD things by not measuring precisely....LOL
Did you tell him your pockets weren't deep enough to be that smart? HaHa



Subject-Drag End Time
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 03:42:43 (EST)
From-Heironimous Boobiere < flaco@toto.net>


False prophets rise in Nevada, fools follow. The Gorilla in Granada has more power, the GODS frown. More empty seats, end is near.


Subject-JUST SOME BS, NOTHING IMPORTANT.......
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 03:06:46 (EST)
From-Jason Sapp < CH3NO2JAY@AOL.COM>


I WAS LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF MY DADS OLD VIETNAM PICS AND RAN ACROSS SOME REALLY NICE QUALITY PICS OF THE BEGINNING ERA OF THE FUNNYCARS @ US 30. (ALTERED WHEELBASE CARS & SOME REALLY COOL SOLID FRONT AXLE CARS ). ALSO I FOUND SOME PICS OF THE CHI-TOWN HUSTLER UTILIZING A LATE 60'S A-BODY BARRACUDA FOR A FLOPPER BODY. REALLY COOL PICS IN MY OPINION, SUPER CLEAR ALSO. IF I KNEW HOW. I'D POST THEM WITH NITRONICS APPROVAL OF COURSE... LATER GUYS/GALS. JASON SAPP
P.S. JUST TOUCHING BASE, HAVEN'T WRITTEN A POST IN A LONG TIME.....HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GOOD TURKEY DAY AND HOPEFULLY A GOOD X-MAS TO BOOT!!!!!! LATER AGAIN



Subject-Rocket cars
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 02:00:31 (EST)
From-Richard Hernandez < misterd@easilink.com>


Hello John Paxon and Brent Fanning. id love to hear rocket car stories they were running in the 4s and 330mph 30 years ago.i was told way back then that one of the 3 wheel rocket cars went 399 in so. cal and went over backwards,was it the courage of australia or the english leather car.i seen the armorall car at the winters in about 1985 on display did you john own it back then? i remember Fred Goeske saying how much he liked the rockets over the nitro funnys for saftey reasons.said hes been in to many fires in nitro cars and the one time he wrecked a rocket going 275 mph all he got was bruises on his collar bones from the shoulder harness.Fire up them rocket stories,im listening....Richard


Subject-ArmorAll Rocket car
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 01:46:28 (EST)
From-A :Little Lurking Lizard < Transfusion1@email.msn.com>


I can remember seeing the ArmorAll Rocket dragster run at Sacramento on a cold and overcast day(circa 1974-76. They played Elton Johns Rocket Man on the Public address system. Then it preceeded to go over Three hundred in the quarter! It was the fastest pass in history recorded for the quarter mile at that time for a rocket or jet(amazing for its time). Lastly, Pete Jensen I don't get the connection between Steinbeck and Dylan? Steinbeck, novelist that wrote acurate portrails about his youth and life as he grew up in the Montery and Salinas area of California, and Dylan vocalist who preforms songs with social, political and philosophical implications in a poetic manor? Isn't their style diametrically opposed!?

A Little Lurking
Lizard



Subject-Frank Oglesby Funny Car Stories
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 01:33:21 (EST)
From-Denny Savage < xflopperdriver@msn.com>


Frank - Tell em the story about Austin Coil and me in 1975 early in the year, on our way to the IHRA Winternationals in Miami Hollywood, Fla. It was my First race driving the "Chi-Town" Hustler. Remember the little detour to your shop outside of Atlanta, to fix the truck? Remember Ed "Que-Voe Charger" Obrian? I dont remember If you went to the race with us, but I remember the race. I remember meeting Paul Smith for the first time, right after he "DROPPED" Richard Tharp in the staging lanes over a lane choice dissagreement[LMAO]. Whatever happened to the old Pontiac powered "school bus"?


Subject-rocketman
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 01:19:35 (EST)
From-Tom Posthuma < racertom@hotmail.com>


glad to see you here John, some of do like hearing about drag history. Even if it doesnt have a 392 :-)
Frank , keep those stories coming!



Subject-Rockets
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 00:47:55 (EST)
From-Frank Oglesby < oglesby@ellijay.com>


John --You would be suprised how many people are interested in Drag Racing history.
Who did the power pac on that car??
Were is Kitty O-Neal??-----Frank



Subject-Rocket Dragsters
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 00:41:00 (EST)
From-John Paxson < rocketjohn1@excite.com>


Well as all my pals say now i'm finally in the 21st century.My first time on and this one is for my pal and way back when partner Steve Evens. Can't believe he's gone.
Not to many people know that Steve put together for me the complete package of the ARMORALL ROCKET DRAGSTER and what a package it was well better yet what a ride it was.
I've heard that there have been some different versions of who owened the car.
It first started out with Steve Evens, Bill Doner, grant Mcneff AKA Father duffy and Myself.After a couple of years it became Evens / Paxson.
All of this took place after I crashed the COURAGE OF AUSTRALIA at steves track ( IRWINDALE ) and we went to Gas Rondas bar to put the deal together. ( I don't know how I remembered all of that ) I don't even know if anybody cares,well maybe Pat Green.
I Have the old car back and have been restoring it back the way steve and I had it.
Enough of this for now.

In memory of STEVE EVENS

ROCKET MAN



Subject-Jungle Jim
Date- Tuesday, December 05, 2000 at 00:24:03 (EST)
From-Frank Oglesby < oglesby@ellijay.com>


We were at Acto,NJ for a 8 car show(72-73)I was installing a new cam and Jungle was sitting on my front tire.
After watching me checking 1 and 6 up the nose and down the other side and drawing the numbers on graph paper Jungle got up to leave and said " Oglesby if you always measure everything that careful you will never find out anything good by accident"
I don't know to this day IF I just heard something profound or not ---Frank



Subject-lions site
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 23:27:29 (EST)
From-bob cole < rcole@cfl.rr.com>


http://www.geocities.com/deandecibel/Lions6.html


Subject-I can't spell and don't give a shet...
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 23:14:38 (EST)
From-Pete jensen < foothillflr2cdepot.net>


I'd like to know more about this thing called ADRA...but to tell ya the truth over the years I joined a lot of things that end RA...I kinda made a rule up for myself...If I don't join it saves them the trouble of kicking me out...I wish them luck...where the hell is Digger Dan, I miss his posts...COLE...how was the LINK WRAY show, use to see him all the time in S.F. I think Mike has a axe that was given to him by Link...I just picked up a cd today by the poet ROCKY GORDON called SMALLER CIRCLES...it is the most powerfull record I've heard in 20 years...it's as strong as any thing that Steinbeck or Dyan has done...Just because I can't spell dosen't mean I don't read...


Subject-More Phone madness...
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 22:45:49 (EST)
From-Ski < Wrenchski@aol.com>


HEY-
Sportsman/alky racers, Bill Bader's number is in the book...
but he wants you to bring your own prize money with ya.



Subject-Pete Jensen
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 22:44:00 (EST)
From-A Little Lurking Lizard < Transfusion1@email.MSN.com>


Pete,
Thanks for dropping by the store today! Your visit evoked many fond memories of the time I spent working for and with Jim Herbert as well as many of the notables who frequented his "real" speed shop "Jim Herberts Performance World". I think we only touched the surface regarding many of the topics we discussed, but it was nice to talk to someone who shares a common mind-set regarding many of the current issues that revolve around Nostalgia Top fuel today.



Good Guys Good times


A Little Lurking
Lizard



Subject-Roland as Nostradamus
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 22:43:38 (EST)
From-Ski < Wrenchski@aol.com>


HEY-
Wes Cerney, to the nearest white courtesy phone...
Dale Pulde is on the line.
And he's got Wayne Dupuy (sp?) with him...



Subject-Re:Bummer
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 22:36:26 (EST)
From-Heather < dragarchr@aol.com>


I got it on good authority that atleast 2 of the races mentioned are going to loose the alky classes at the national events. I wonder what would happen if those cars decided not to support the div races run at those tracks. What more can be done to this class? Has someone forgotten where the fuel fc and dragster drivers come from?


Subject- >>> star PERSONALITIES <<<
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 21:47:02 (EST)
From-Roland Tamaccio < rt2hun@webtv.net>


... I did not gwaduate from the same sckuuul of psycholygy as Wrenchamatic, but it is my guess that Scott Cannon will pick Cerney's brain and send him down the road. That is unless he finds a sponsor for a second car.


Subject-phasing out alcohol from the big show..... be careful what you wish for
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 21:27:33 (EST)
From-Tom Rocca < mufflerbarn5@usawest.net>


Short memory span, huh? This was where we were all advocating like wet rats for nhra to cut down on the non nitro burners..... remember? Not enough *cack* or some typically silly nonsense like that? be careful what you wish for children. Your wishes are coming true


Subject-ADRA
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 21:23:43 (EST)
From-JEFF GAYNOR < WGAINES40@AOL.COM>


THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF INFO ON THAT ADRA WEBSITE SUCH AS CLASSES,EVENT DATES,HOW TO JOIN.MOST IMPORTANT IS CLASSES,SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS A CLASS FOR YOUR CAR,GO AND SEE.......


Subject-prudome,and tj deal.
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 21:07:25 (EST)
From-JIMBO NEBRASKA < jtmoody@gpcom.net>


HOW ABOUT THAT NEW HOOKUP WITH TOMMY JOHSON JR.AND DON THE SNAKE, AND CAPPS 2 FUNNY'S THEY SHOULD GIVE FORCE AND THE BOYS SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A DETROWNMENT NXT YR. I LOVE FORCE BUT ITS WAY OVERDUE FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO GET IN THERE, WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SNAKE TAKE IT,ONE THINGS FOR SURE [DEPENDING ON CREWCHIEFS] THEY SHOULD BE A SERIOUS THREAT NXT YR. ALOT OF GREAT CHANGES COMING UP THIS NXT YR. SHUMACHER AND CORY MACK. WE NEED A 2 CAR TOP FUEL TEAM NOW!!!! CANT WAITE TO GET IT STARTED AND FIRE THEM UP!!!!!! JIMBO NEBRASKA.


Subject-Cannon and Cerny
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 20:47:18 (EST)
From-Chris Simmons < scottycannonfan@hotmail.com>


how many cannon fans cant wait till 2k1 !!!!!!!!!!

-chris simmons

Scotty Cannon/Wes Cerny
match made in heaven hehehehehe



Subject-Alky ban?
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 20:43:18 (EST)
From-Tom P < racertom@hotmail.com>


this some kinda cruel joke? Sounds like somebody wants to keep a Div6 car from winning a championship. 4 of the 7 races within 2000 miles are taken away. Hope its BS


Subject-Congratulations!
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 19:11:59 (EST)
From-Stan < berrys@ruraltel.net>


Offering my congratulations to Larry Dixon Jr and his wife on the birth of their son. Won't be long and we'll have photos similar to the one's that ran from the 69 Winternationals when Larry Sr. won and Larry Jr. was behind the butterfly in victory lane. Kids are great!


Subject-President
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 18:33:35 (EST)
From-Postman < zpostman@prodigy.net>


You seem to feel you can call the pres of NHRA by his first name yet you call Bill Mr. Chapman (no offense to Bill). And why is that?
There are many people out there that are the president of something, and some probably in a little better shape dollar wise that are busy running their companies also, but I don't see them being called Mr. anything.
As for future announcements I will reserve my opinion till all the facts are presented. I'm sure Bill has a plan and I look forward to hearing what it is.

Feds Forever
Postman



Subject-Federal Mogul Dragsters and Funny Cars
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 18:31:53 (EST)
From-Irv < ijrcr@netscape.net>


TO: Bummed

"Anyone else hear the rumor that neither the Federal Mogul Dragsters OR Funny Cars will be competing at the following National Events: Phoenix, Sonoma, Denver, Bristol, Memphis, Brainerd or either of the two races in Joliet?"

Welcome to the real world, and it will be less next year. They only want PROS, because big named sponsors want pros. It will go the way of NASCAR, or it will be an "also ran". Guys who actually own cars, which is very few of the people bashing the ADRA, should give your full support, but at arms length.

Would any car owner actually object to an investment of $40.00 on the "possibility" (key word) of additional places to race their car, yet spend $2500.00 to drive to Indy and "possibly" win $1500.00.



Subject-ADRA
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 17:58:16 (EST)
From-Jimmy M < mvpmarino1>


For all you who think Wally should also talk to you personally, Mr. Chapman is the real deal. He does take calls, but he's the President and I think he has a little work to do and keeps busy. When the announcements, after all this speculation, finally come down, I will only say that heads will be blown. The real deal is coming. Be excited. Be very very excited.




Subject-ADRA
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 17:49:35 (EST)
From-Friend and supporter of ADRA < mvpmarino1>


www.adraracing.com is the site to go to


Subject-ADRA web site
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 17:43:35 (EST)
From-Postman < zpostman@prodigy.net>


Maverick,
Was a cheap shot called for here?
Another strange thing here is it seems that such a well planned association going for as many races as they say they will, only has an intro page that links you to a place to join. We know they have no history to fill up a page, but it would seem in this day and age that a little more info would do nothing but help the cause.
BTW...I can't spell and my grammer stinks....so no need to tell me sumpin I already know.

Feds Forever
Postman



Subject-Testing
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 16:52:36 (EST)
From-DanLynch < DanLynch174@yahoo.com>


This is a test


Subject-Moe.....
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 16:44:13 (EST)
From-The RACER < Mavricky2@aol.com>


P.S. Moe are you related to Curly and Larry? Cause you are acting like a stooge. (Check your spelling next time too!)


Subject-Hey Moe...try this ADRA WEBSITE
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 16:41:22 (EST)
From-The RACER < Mavricky2@aol.com>


For your information the website is still being developed. It does have some info on it. Check it out;

http://www.adraracing.com



Subject-no answer is a clear answer
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 16:31:03 (EST)
From-Philly Moe < same>


Bill Chapman, Seems you have chosen not to answer my questions that I posted here. You have not answered any questions or concerns, all you and your cohorts say is "send us 40 dollars". No announcement of any web site with information. No palns to diseminate info about a brand new sanction except "send us forty dollars". See you in June pal. We'll see then. Oh, you won't even tell me if I can participate without "send us forty dollars."


Subject-Federal Mogul Dragsters and Funny Cars
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 15:59:16 (EST)
From-Bummed < rumermill@stiritup.com>


Anyone else hear the rumor that neither the Federal Mogul Dragsters OR Funny Cars will be competing at the following National Events: Phoenix, Sonoma, Denver, Bristol, Memphis, Brainerd or either of the two races in Joliet?

What do you think about that?



Subject-Santa's Killer Ride for 2000
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 14:57:15 (EST)
From-Mark B. < marbeau@excite.com>


Bobby Brown,

Saw the sled getting new paint at Paint 'N' Place. Sievers said Tim Gibson did new aerodynamics for the sled- less drag. It's awesome.

Mark B.



Subject-BRADBURNN@AOL.COM
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 14:44:18 (EST)
From-BOB STEFENS RACECARS < O.BRADBURN>


ANY ONE KNOW HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM. SEEMSHIS PHONE IS ALWAYS OFF THE HOOK OR ON LINE.


Subject-santas new fueler
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 13:59:11 (EST)
From-bobby brown < bobby b@aol.com>


ALRIGHT YOUALL JUST GOT WORD THAT SANTAS JUST DROPPED IN A JP1 BLOCK IN HIS NEW MKINNEY SLED, WHIPPLE CHARGER ON TOP RUNNIN97% SHOULD HOOK UP NICELY WITH THE 5DISC CLUTCH AND THE TOOTHPICK MAN AS CREWCHIEF. SHOULD BE DONE EARLIER THIS YR AS 1ST TIME OUT TESTING WAS 2/10THS OFF THE OLD SLED RECORD, HAZZED THE RAILS ABOUT 1/2 PATH TOO!! IF HE CAN GET A BIT BETTER HOOKUP HE WILL BE FLYIN!!! LITTERALLY!!! HE MAY NEED A G SUIT BY THE TIME ITS OVER......BOBBY B


Subject-Mixed emotion
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 13:55:35 (EST)
From-Postman < zpostman@prodigy.net>


Fellow HFers,
This line of posts about the ADRA has raised a lot of dust in the last couple of weeks. I too have not posted in regards to them till I heard more about them. I still have mixed emotions about them and will not slam them...yet...
If they can pull it off, great.
They have been working on this for sometime its said, but till just a while ago noone even heard of them. That seems strange. Something as big as it appears is one heck of a good job keeping it secret. OK, I understand that blowing your horn too soon and then not being able to back up what you say can be very bad for credibility, just as I had not posted anything about the Slingshot Nationals III b4 I got a firm date from the track. But, the FEDA is not a sanctioning body and may never have a large number of races per year. And I'm OK with that. I'm not a promoter, just a regular guy that has a passion for these cars and OUR sport.
If Bill and his group can really do this then we have another place to run our cars.
My only personal concern is that with their event the same weekend as us and it being so close that it may hurt both of us at the participants gate.
Fesd Forever
Postman
FEDA



Subject-Bill Heilscher
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 13:04:34 (EST)
From-Jon Lundberg < jonl@drhra.org>


FOLKS:

HELP! I need a contact phone and address for Bill Heilscher, formerly "Mr. Bardahl" and operator of Green Valley Raceway in Texas for a number of years. A curent address would help too.

Please reply to the email addy above.

Thanks,
Jon Lundberg



Subject-gassers in the A.D.R.A.
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 12:16:23 (EST)
From-keith schultz < prefect48@aol.com>


JUST A NOTE ON THE NEW A.D.R.A.
ARE THERE GOING TO BE GAS COUPE & SEDAN CLASSES
LIKE AA/GAS,BB/GAS ECT I THINK THESE GAS CARS WERE JUST
AS IMPORTANT AS THE NITRO CARS WERE TO NOSTAGLIC DRAG
RACING



Subject-Eddie/Trashing Machine
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 10:00:43 (EST)
From-Gary O < kgosborn@selec.net>


Back in the early 90's Buddy Warren was supposedly framed for a big drug deal that went down in Galveston. I have heard 2 to 3 different stories as to what really happened on that deal. He is in a Federal Prison here in Texas and there is a friend of mine, that has a friend (confusing, huh) that still remains in contact with him.

In Houston, Buddy was a full time machinist and Sema Approved Chassis builder as he built our 1st rear engine car which was the one we defeated him with when we won the 80 Cajuns. I have tried to locate his son to borrow some pictures from him to get my site up and running but had no luck in finding him. I do remember going to his shop quite often from time to time and just looking at all the pictures that he had hanging up on his walls.

go




Subject- >>>> WHAT STYLE <<<<
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 04:41:52 (EST)
From-Roland Tamaccio < rt2hun@webtv.net>


... you just need the best collective group of stories in the business: E.G. >> Fred Vosk
..
... BTW: Frank Olgesby, we KNOW you have more stories, how about it ???



Subject-Did someone say... FUUUUUEEELLL ALLLLTTERRRREEDSSS????
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 02:27:11 (EST)
From-Kenny Youngblood < ymg@pineknot.com>


Will be at Seiver's Paint'N Place shop monday... Snake mobiles con headlights... thankful the right hand and the airbrush still work and there's carbon fiber that don't use stickers fer lenses... stop by and bs.

Brought to you by www.YoungbloodArt.com for the new "Taken By Force" Ten Time Champ Commemorative Edition print ..for Christams delivery. And now back to our program...

Suggestion: How about we just call the boss "Mr. Bill".

ADRA in 2001.. Be There!!!! The CACK is BACK!!!




Subject-as the rumor mill turns
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 01:57:04 (EST)
From-Tony Clifton < tonycliffton@dragracer.com>


I interupt the very entertaining and never ending debate
over the ADRA to give you a few rumors floating around.
First, the turd of the day: John Force and Scelzi are
switching seats next year. Need I say more on this
one? Now some stuff with substance, Brad Anderson
has just purchased the entire Joe Gibbs TF operation.
Melanie Troxel is set to drive the Nitro Fish car, Cristen
is sidelined for now, Russ Parker is going Top Fuel,
And Tony Bartone is joining the WWF Team.



Subject-style
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 00:32:21 (EST)
From-Pammy Utterback < utterbackracing@juno.com>


RE: Ski and the comments on style, I pick up my Tom & Jerry glass to you (this being the holiday season and all) and say "Hear! Hear!"

Strunk & White's Chick Tract of Style was required reading in some class I had at some point in my life. So naturally I did with it what I did with all required reading, left it unread and underneath a pile of clothes and empty Mickey's big Mouth bottles on my floor and read the National Enquirer instead. If they'd have made a Cliffs notes for the Strunk & White's I'da read THAT...maybe.

For the REAL meaning of style - I'd have to agree with that sexist old pig Bukowski and what he has to say on the matter:


I have seen dogs with more style then men.
Although not many dogs have style.
Cats have it with abundance.
Charles Bukowski

Happy Ho Ho Ho, everyone!

Pammy




Subject-Troy Cagle...........
Date- Monday, December 04, 2000 at 00:32:11 (EST)
From-Eddie V. < edvidrine@mindspring.com>


My apologies. I got so excited about seeing those
pictures that were new to me, I typed in Gary
instead of Troy. No disrespect intended. I have
articles on several of the Cagle-Newhouse roadsters.
Finding these photos tonight was a pleasant
surprise. Sorry for the " Brain Fade ".



Subject-snowbird's
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 23:55:50 (EST)
From-bob cole < rcole@cfl.rr.com>


drove 130 miles to see two top fuelers. was it worth it? oh yeah. hadn't seen shirley muldowney in person since about 1975. amazing lady. drove a 4.93 283? on a dusty track.it was windy and she had to steer it back into the groove around half-track. wish someone would realize what an inspiration she is and use her to market their product, for a full season. tina turner and shirley muldowney. not getting older, getting better. and watching big in the swamp rat 4. the icing on the cake.



Subject-quick break to post
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 23:53:45 (EST)
From-jim < jimiscnc@aol.com>


I hope the name "Bill I mean Mr. Chapman" doesn't stick. Too much typing, like my nitrofan sign offs. Interesting silly season news. instead of aaa cool mil float, why dont they jsut have gary idle down and do an occasional burin out in the parade, tape a few flowers to the side of the car, get some model to sit on it and wave? isn't reading until recent resurfacing one of the best tracks on the circuit? I remember seeing fuel records broken pretty much every time I've gone to the september big show. by all measures of what makes a good drag strip its up there. i love the time of year, the countryside and the yearly visit the best. cant beat the factory outlet malls and the Reading Eagle coverage is expansive for 4 or five straight days. i would almost stay over monday just to see their coverage in the paper. the tradition and history is priceless, also. something of an east coast pomona almost. and for 5 days its literally amish country on nitro (courtest ralph white racing, used without permission, as usual)

finally, did we ever have a debate about fmds and push starts? Now that would be icing on the cake to a classic nitro show. hopefully some new fledgling fmd sanctioning body could incorporate that into their shows?

-90% Jimmy NITROFAN I-better-start-humping-on-stuff-for-dean-soon-cuz-his-reminders-make-me-feel-like-a-welfare-cheat-or-worse,-a-typical-corporate-us-ceo



Subject-Ewald's Latest Pics............
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 23:37:15 (EST)
From-Eddie V. < edvidrine@mindspring.com>


Click on Latest Pics - 11/28 - and scroll down to
the sixth photo. Any of you Texas boys remember
"The Thrashing Machine" AA/FD of Buddy Warren from
Houston ? New one on me.

Scroll down to four photos of another car I have
never seen before - the Briggs and Cagle dragster.
The fourth shot shows Cary C. with Dad's yellow
helmet on. Gary, that was a slick looking car.
And that push truck ! Several times a week I pass by
a used car lot that has a '65 Chevy Panel Delivery
for sale. The previous owner cut the panels and
installed two van windows on each side. It is painted
bright yellow with chrome wheels and baby Moons.
Every time I see it I seem to have a vision of a
dragster sitting in front of it, just waiting to be
push-started. The vision has appeared. Now I know what
the mystery car looks like. It has a blown Hemi.

Also on the same page, more TV Tommy Ivo photos and
captions. The Snake is depicted in several of these.

Last, but not least, on the Site Map, scroll down to
"New Dragster Replicas by Riceman". One-Of-A-Kind
scratch-built models of some famous cars. I think
some of you may have seen these at the CHRR. If he
could just duplicate some 1/25 scale Header Flames !
Oh, BTW, on Drag Racing USA Radio today, we had a
surprise caller from the East, a man of many talents,
a man with a face for Radio ( just like US!! ),
a man who tells it like it is or should be, our
own resident Hall Monitor - WRENCHSKI !!!!!!!!!
He had the correct answer to todays' trivia question,
but his reaction time was a little slow. Having to dial
up that 800 number probably cost him a few tenths !
And the prize package. Tune in next week, he might
call back and give us short history lesson on
our favorite website. We might even get him to tell
us which County he lives in down there in South
Florida. At least that's our INTENT !

Punch the next pair of ballots...............



Subject-WORLD NOSTALGIA CHAMPION
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 22:49:26 (EST)
From-F/C GUYS SO CAL < WGAINES40@AOL.COM>


DIDNT NHRA HAVE A ONE SHOT WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE EARLY DAYS?I THINK IT WAS AT DALLAS,EVERYBODY SHOWED UP AND THEY CALLED THE WINNER THE WORLD CHAMPION.AS I REMEMBER,IT WAS LARRY FULLERTON IN 71,I COULD BE WRONG.SO,WHY NOT HAVE THAT FORMAT AGAIN,AT GREAT BEND,AND BRING EVERYBODY THERE FOR SOME REAL MONEY AND 16 CAR FIELDS.TOP FUEL,FUNNY CAR,FUEL ALTERED,ECT.
MAKE SURE EVERYBODY AGREES ON A GOOD TIME OF YEAR,US WEST COAST GUYS DONT CARE FOR TORNADOS.
COULD ONE OF YOU OLD TIMERS GIVE US SOME INPUT HERE?



Subject-WHAT WE (I) HAVE LEARNED TODAY OK YESTERDAY AND TODAY
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 21:15:11 (EST)
From-Kent Jackson (real name) < jackson6@blitz-it.com>


1. Drag racing needs the ADRA--as long as they don't step on any toes and that won't matter because they aren't gonna be around that long? B.Some not all just some of us can't spell,or use all those dots and stuff?? 3.Bill I mean Mr. Chapman----Needs our support!!! 4. TJ jr just might have the ride of a lifetime!!!! 5.some people on here have wierd names like--Silent--Another--The--Clark. 6.Frank did you ever find that battery?????? 7.Stan's Kid don't need no parachute!!!!!!! Thanks Stan I just needed to know that I don't know why??? Hope to see you next summer if Bill I mean Mr. Chapman can pull it off!!


Subject-Great Bend
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 21:00:59 (EST)
From-Stan < berrys@ruraltel.net>


Kent, Great Bend is 1/4 mile...course us junior folk just run the first 1/8th but this place has fresh pavement and if any of ya know Don Allen and his driver, Ron Dudley, ask
them about the traction. Ron had the front end of the big red alky car hanging in the air pretty good last year. I think I'm thinking the same thing. Would be an excellent place in the center of the U.S. to have a BIG front motor showdown. And if ya can't feel some "history" on the site of the first U.S. Nationals, well, ya wouldn't know it anyway.



Subject-Don't get me wrong
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 20:27:08 (EST)
From-Billy Nitro < billca@pdq.net>


Been staying out of this ADRA for a reason. I wanted to see the paticulars before I said what I'm about to.

It was mentioned that it won't cost $60.00 to go to one of their events and I'm very sure that in itself is totally correct. But the scheduled events at least in my neck of the woods, will prevent me from attending unless I drive 400 miles round trip and stay over night (or 2) at a hotel, plus all the other ammenities that are required for such a road trip (you can do the math).

I think that it's going to take more cars and more tracks to get involved before any money is going to show up in anyone's pockets from a fan base. When on any given month you could go to a ADRA race within 100 mile radius of your home and know there will be a minimum of 12 fuel or gas diggers then your talking progress, but that as you all know takes time. That means advertising someplace other then Header Flames. What I'm talking about is the people (future fans) that don't know what's going on and don't visit this site.

As far as ADRA schedule...you gotta start someplace and the venues they have seem to be fine, for now. TV would be able to get the word out as long as it's not shown at 1AM. I personally feel that getting TV involved at the early stage is a mistake. What you need is to give them something they WANT to cover then you're in control, not the other way around.

I wish the ADRA all the best wishes in this venture and I hope that in addition to the HRR's we can have another outlet for our addiction.



Subject-Tony
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 20:12:45 (EST)
From-Pete jensen < same>


Buzz...tony and I did that story a few years ago...forgot all about it....the white punk on nitro is a good friend of mine...Been trying to get him out to whinner coast for years ...I think he would fit in with the Flyer real well...


Subject-Tony
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 20:11:34 (EST)
From-Pete jensen < same>


Buzz...tony and I did that story a few years ago...forgot all about it....the white punk on nitro is a good friend of mine...Been trying to get him out to whinner coast for years ...I think he would fit in with the Flyer real well...


Subject-THOSE OLD FUEL ALTEREDS
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 19:53:47 (EST)
From-JIMBO NEBRASKA < jtmoody@gpcom.net>


HEY GUYS AND GALS,
IM A LOOKIN THRU THE OLD ALTERED PICTURES AND DRAGNEWS... FROM TUCSON AZ. I WAS A REGULAR OUT THERE FROM ABOUT 1970-MID 80'S. THE OLD COCA COLA FUEL ALT NATS, THATS BACK WHEN 25-50 ALTEREDS WAS A SHOW TO DIE FOR, SO MANY . FUEL COUPES... THAT WAS BACK IN THE GOOD OL DAYS OF ALTERED MANIA, ANY OTHERS HAVE SIMULAR STORYS?? LETS SEE NAMES LIKE DELIVERENCE,RAT POISON,YELLOW SUBMARINE,WILD WILD WEST,OR PLAN A OF JIMMY WEST, SHEEPHEARDER,PHEONIX CARS THOSE 2. JIM TRILLO[TNT].AZ. WILDCAT,NANOOK, THE MOB, THE LIST GOES ON. A FEW STILL AROUND IVE HEARD LIKE MIKE SULLIVAN,FASSEL OF COURSE[ THE NEW RECORD HOLDER] JUST TOOK THAT FROM OL DAVID BENJAMIN AFTER YRS AND YRS. I EMAILED HIM AND HE THOUGHT HIS RECORD WOULD FALL SOON PRIOR TO THE TUCSON EVENT THIS YR. MACK MCORD STILL RUNNING TOO I ALWAYS LOVED THAT GORILLA CAR THE PLUSH INTERIOR... KB POWERD. HOW DAYS THERE LIKE LITTLE DRAGSTERS MORE THAN THE SHORTER WILDER CARE OF THE DBACK THEN VERSION. JUST WENT BACK UP TO TUCSON THE BEGINNING OF THE YR. AND SAW THE GGOD GUYS MEET AND GOT TO SEE SOME OLD NAMES MOSTLY ON ALCOHOL THERE, PHOENIX GUYS
CHANDLER... MARONY AND DAY[BLIND FAITH]IRON MIKE SULLIVAN,
AND THE LEGENDARY WINGED EXPRESS ON NITRO OF COURSE, I THINK IF MORE GUYS WOULD KINDA COME BQACK TO THAT ERA AND TRACKS WOULD PUT UP THE BUCKS AND PROMOTE THAT MORE NEW COMERS MIGHT BUILD UP SOME MORE SHORT WHEEL BASE WILD SIDE BY SIDE 4 FT FLAME THROWING SIDEWAYS FUEL ALTEREDS. MAN WOULD THAT BE COOL. NOSTALGIA FANS ARE OUT THERE IF A 40-50 CAR FEILD COULD HAPPEN IDE HITCHHIKE ACROSS COUNTRY TO SEE THAT, WHATEVER IT TOOK. ANY OTHERS SHARE THIS VIEW OR STORYS? JIMBO NEBRASKA



Subject-co-operation...
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 19:30:08 (EST)
From-Buzz < surftime@toobs.com>


Pete Jensen...let me introduce you to ...Les Jantzen.
Now....there was this guy....named Tony DeFeo...he had a dream...............he liked to call it SPEC *fuel* racing.

Buzz



Subject-REAL NAMES???
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 19:13:22 (EST)
From-KENT JACKSON < JACKSON6@BLITZ-IT.COM>


Hey STAN-- Is the track AT GREAT BEND 1/4 or 1/8 mile


Subject-Chapman/Nostalgia
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 19:04:42 (EST)
From-Gary O < kgosborn@selec.net>


Nice Post Travis,
If any thing applaud Mr Chapman for having the kahuna's to try and make a go of this thing. It is real easy for us armchair drag racing promoters to criticise him at this point.

On paper most everything works until it comes time to showcase the results for real. I'm sure he is open for any and all suggestions with the advice from this board. If anything we all racers & fans need to be on his side, if it wasn't for guys like him, then the only thing these Hot Rods would be good for is the "Annual Autorama" that rolls into town once a year.

As far as that criticism a few weeks ago the guys running the older funny cars & alterds. Maybe they have a passion for what they run, or just maybe the wallet isn't fat enough to run what they would really like to, but let them have there fun also. Sometimes the smaller guys are the backbone of the sport

If I could just hit the Texas Lottery one time, I would be running something also, but my 3 girls are breaking me!!! The guys running the Newstalgia/Nostalgia Rails most likely know they aren't going to get rich but are doing something that they do enjoy and hopefully will make some money to help offset their expenses.

Everyone knows that Drag Racing/Nitro is an addiction and there is no known cure for it!!!!

go






Subject-Hot Rod...get your Hot Rod....
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 19:01:56 (EST)
From-Charles Jolliff < chucky1@bootheel.net>


Hey folkes, the Jan. 2001 issue of Hot Rod is on the stands
now and has definitely been a hit in NE Arkansas as
copies sold out within the first day at most locations.
I know cause I've been the busy bee following the distributor
as he dropped off copies...
Brian Kohlmann's nitro burning blown hemi S/FX Dodge
is the center fold, sort of....doing the fire burnout.
I have some better shots, I should say some different
shots on the George Ray website...

www.geocities.com/chuckygeorgeray

Larry Pfister will have the rm movie on his Horsepower
Heaven website on New Years' Eve.
Drag Racing Underground will also have footage on
their new Xmas video due out soon...."Hot Damn Doorslammin"
ADRA....Brian wants to know if you will have a class
for him??????How about a website?????
OH, if you liked the coverage of Brians' trip to Northeast
Arkansas...write Ro and tell him..."you want more stories
like this one...."



Subject-TRAVIS SPEAKS TRUTH WAMPUM !
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 18:46:24 (EST)
From-df < honkycat@webtv.net>


DITTO ! Travis , Maybe now is the time for the Cheifs of all tribes to gather on the Plains of Oklahoma and Pow Wow ! How bout Wally, Pete, Chapman, McClennen, Bach, Tiny , Root Beer , Cole , Buzz , Hutch, Cullen & Ma Green. They have the wits, wisdom & knowledge to Organize something good for all. Also add Thunderlungs & Stan Berry with the Bionic Possum , Brent & Olin thrown in for color ! What say you all? ............Ranger Bobcat


Subject-What
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 18:28:14 (EST)
From-Philly MOE < same>


What are the dates for Good Guys at INDY?


Subject-Silent not enough
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 18:25:00 (EST)
From-Philly Moe < still>


Silent lurker needs to work more on the silence is golden when you are ignorant concept.
Maple Grove is a fine facility, you can hook up if you know your business. It is also in a spot of unparrelled beauty, has a huge campground and swimming pool as part of the property. The area has plenty motels, great antique markets, outlet malls and all the entertainment a family could want. And plenty of real good restauant. Mr. silent , have you ever raced at the Grove? Have you ever attended an event?
I have questioned some aspects of the plans for the June race. I posted some questions for Mr. Chapman that have so far gone unanswered. I have not trashed the ADRA. Untill one gets answers, untill the ADRA's actions are seen in the next 7 months, they should get the benifit of the doubt. So to with Maple Grove and George Case. It would be easy to be
a bomb thrower now. Lets see if the purse is layed out for all to see, lets see what there rules look like and if they let people see or grind us for a few dollars. Drag race promotion made many millionaires. Being a dick is often not as profitable.



Subject-Dave Dewars is doing fine.
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 18:18:39 (EST)
From-Pete Starrett < Pete_Starrett@msn.com>


I spoke with Dave this morning, and he is doing very well. Dave told me he had a little planned maintenance work done last week, and is feeling better than he has ever felt due to the surgery that was done.

The surgery was to fix a bad valve in his heart and correct another problem where he had 2 valves that had grown together. The second part was due to an undetected birth defect(who ever heard of birth defects way back then?).

He is due to be released from the hospital tomorrow and says he will be back online at his keyboard as early as tommorrow afternoon.

Pit Crew Pete



Subject-ADRA and drag racing in general
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 18:16:49 (EST)
From-Travis Perrenot < trabob61@ntws.net>


Let�s give Mr. Chapman and the ADRA a chance. Just about the most prevalent thing that gets talked about on this forum is �reinventing � NHRA and Drag Racing in general. Maybe this is a beginning. The Good Guys have done a pretty good job, but their primary thing is car shows. Maybe that�s what it takes to pay the bills. I sure don�t know. Drag Racing as I grew up with is a fast fading memory. I haven�t had the privilege to attend either the March Meet or CHRR. The HHRR has been my biggest exposure to Drag Racing (I hate to use the word Nostalgia) as I knew it. I WANT the ADRA to succeed. I WANT the HHRR and all the rest to keep on growing. I WANT the �shootout at the OK corral� to continue to be an EVENT. I WANT old time NITRO racing to survive and flourish.
Looking over the proposed dates for the ADRA races, only a couple looks like they would really conflict with other established races. The Slingshot Nat�s at Cardova and the proposed race at Great Bend look like lockhorn deals. The Mid- America race and the ADRA race at Banning, really don�t see a big conflict due to the distance involved. Good Guys at Indy? Gonna be a real busy couple of weeks for anyone trying to run all the races. But a little shuffling would work wonders. Lets face it most of the heavy hitters cant stay gone from home and on the road for 3 to 5 weeks. There just isn�t enough money to make it possible.
Instead of just screaming and hollering about this, lets see if we cant help make it work. I haven�t heard anyone from ADRA say they aren�t willing to talk. And if they do have a TV deal, maybe they will be the salvation for OUR kind of drag racing. I personally think that big business was the worse thing that ever happened to drag racing. But that�s my opinion. I don�t think anything is gonna ever make top fuel , funny car or any other nitro class affordable to �Joe Average�. But if there were places to race several Guys/Gals might team up and be able to race. But not if they have to crisscross the country to find a place to race. We need to bring fuel racing back to the local level.
Well, I certainly have run on longer than I meant to. But, come on, lets at least try to support someone who is trying to support us.

Travis Perrenot



Subject-Same Jimmy Harnsberger that.....
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 17:11:04 (EST)
From-Stan < berrys@ruraltel.net>


Jeff, I assume we're talking about the same Jimmy Harnsberger that was involved in the heroic march to the finals against Big Daddy (71 Summernationals????) only to be felled by the heat? Would love to have a blow by blow account of that day. That was definately an inspiring charge by a shorty car on a shorty budget. On the subject, I ask the Flamers, what is the most inspiring racing account you can post?


Subject- NEWS FLASH ..........FROM PRI / INDY
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 17:02:22 (EST)
From-CLARK KENT < clarkkent@dailyplanet.com>


Okay all you race fans here is the REAL DEAL from PRI......

Wes Cerney new crew chief for Scotty Cannon

Corry Mac takin MBNA $$$ to the Shoe # 2 Digger

Mellenie is out no CHEEZE for the Don

Skuza # 2 car a NO GO !!! but got Cornwall Tool $$$ for the Dodge

TJ jr... no paper signed with Chuckie so movin to Snake #2 SKOLL flopper with contract and more Scratch

Alky shoe Darrel Russell shoe be driving for Joe Tomato

Gary Densham not throwing in the towel.. just got 2 mew Plugers cars.

WJ started construction on his new Winston Cup team with Derick Cope and new 15,0000 square ft shop

Tommy Martino going to Bickles to P/U his new Grand Am and heading south to test.

See YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA






Subject-Burning Man race
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 16:36:16 (EST)
From-Tom P < as below>


The Fallon tie in with the BurningMan festival might be a good one, there hasn't been a large clothing-optional drag race since.... Sanair had Le Grandnational Molson :-)


Subject-British national newspaper coverage
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 16:34:18 (EST)
From-Robin Jackson < rj@gladservice.freeserve.co.uk>


For anyone who did not see my post in midweek, the UK Daily Telegraph article on the NHRA Finals is still at the Telegraph website, probably till tomorrow:

www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring

This piece was published on the front page of the paper's motoring section on Sat. 25 Nov, covering 3 pages and showing 14 photos, the biggest of which was a close-up of the Pedregon-Cannon crash. (The website photo shows a Swedish TF in UK.) It's an entertaining piece -- some inaccuracies, etc., but plenty of enthusiasm, and the author likes nitro. What's remarkable is that it is there at all. This is not some small-scale, provincial rag. The Telegraph is a national heavyweight, equivalent, say, to the NY Times.
There is also an Angelle Seeling interview lower down the website's front page.



Subject-Nostalgia track too??
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 16:32:45 (EST)
From-Tom P < racertom@hotmail.com>


Pomona has some history!! started back before the NHRA was even founded nearly 50 years ago... but maybe you mean the updated looks detract from the experience?

Well, look no further than Seattle International Raceway , where even the hot dogs pre-date the modern era. :-p



Subject-silent lurker
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 16:22:04 (EST)
From-so cal f/c guys < wgaines40@aol.com>


Somebody needs to tell the silent lurker that his dog is laughing at him,not with him.........


Subject-video of dad's crash
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 16:16:03 (EST)
From-Jeff Harnsberger < jhh61466@aol.com>


I am looking for the person(s) who shot the video of my dad's crash from 1969. The date was 5/25/69, IHRA Grand Nationals, Detriot, MI. The final in Top Fuel, Arnie Behling won the event after Jim Harnsberger went out of control. If anybody has this video, we are very interested in viewing/puchasing it. You can respond to the email address listed above.
Nitro FOREVER !!!!



Subject-Frank's story
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 15:53:49 (EST)
From-Stan < berrys@ruraltel.net>


Good story, Frank. I wish more people were willing to laugh at themselves a bit more. Tends to show the "human" side of us I guess. Posted quite some time back I had run out of fuel lining up to race what turned out to be a sure win as the other guy broke. Fired that baby three times and each time it died again. Took about twenty minutes of head scratching before the light bulb above my head lit and I walked to the car and popped the fuel tank lid. Anybody else have a "Duh! story" they'd like to share?


Subject-Silent Lurker's opinion is like an.....@#!hole, everyone has one!
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 15:45:14 (EST)
From-The Racer < Mavricky2@aol.com>


It's funny how the people who have the most boisterous opinions always use a fake name or address. The silent Lurker is just that..a person who has no ability to comprehend how the sport or business of drag racing works.

I have been a supporter for the Drag City group in Banning for a while now and now am a supporter of the ADRA. All I can say is let's dissect your quote:

Silent Lurker said,
"Did they say Banning? A track that will probably never see the light of day and if it does who will show up to see nostalgia cars, hell Goodguys couldn't even put fans in the seats at Pomona how will Bannings weed patch sell enough tickets to pay for a $31,000 purse plus other expenses."

Let me tell you how. Obviously you are unaware that the Banning Chamber of Commerce and Drag City jointly sponsored the BANNING DRAGS in October this year that included a "night of fire" With no dollars spent in advertising or promotion (yes, NONE) over 4,000 people came to see a field of 16 altereds, dragsters and the famed Winged Express race in a 3 hour period. All this happened on a semi-hooking airport runway. The fans loved it and so did the racers. many said that it was just like the good ole days at Lions.

If this many fans came out to see just a few of these cars run then your observation are bogus. People came from all over. Ventura, Long Beach, San Diego, San Bernardino, Palmdale, L.A., etc.

You see my friend the reason you can't fill a track at Pomona is simple. How can it be a host to a so called nostalgia drag race when the track itself lacks anything that represents the past or for that matter the so called race cars? Oh so you put up a few banners that say nostalgia and it supposed to make it that...NOT

Drag Racing in Banning was awesome because there was character in the field of cars, flames shooting out of the pipes and a crowd that could afford the tickets and didn't have to sit in the hot sun in the middle of July. Oh did I mentioned that in the old days there was LOTS of night time racing in SO-CAL, just like they had in Banning.

I believe that the DRAG CITY and the ADRA are going to be bringing drag racing back like it should be. Fun affordable, entertaining and one hell of a show.



Subject-out side the box
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 15:34:00 (EST)
From-Pete Jensen < same>


I can see it now THE MUSTANG RANCH OPEN held at Fallon NV...why the hell not...on hot augest nites weeks...or maybe with the buring man gig they put on up there...we can get Ski to write the press....WHEN THE GOING GETS WEIRD THE WEIRD TURN PRO or WIRED...DR. HST...


Subject-???
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 15:20:30 (EST)
From-Pete Jensen < same>


Do you think that we, as a group should from something to promote ourselfs ( top fuel racers) to tracks, media, sponsers,ect...to me the big lesson of the 60's & 70's is that we let get away from us...we know our sport beter than anyone, we should be our best sales people...


Subject-Frank O
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 15:20:15 (EST)
From-Dave Hopkins < dhopkins@ricochet.net>


Great story! Nice break from arguing about which coast has the most Nostalgia.


Subject-Some of youse need Drugs!!
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 15:06:03 (EST)
From-Les < llj@swko.net>


Can some of you say "Pro-zac" take some, Nitro enhanced the better.
Right on Mark L., Ski.
Man as many posts as their are on this (Skam, Sham, Flleeze or Fact) some of these guys act like they were writing the checks!
Whatever it takes to make the sport better!
We all stand at the same asphalt 1/4 mile strip just some stand a little different! In other words we as racers, Assoc., tracks, need each other.Les



Subject-DRIVER CHANGE ALREADY
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:55:24 (EST)
From-Matt Shaff < proform@frontiernet.net>


THIS JUST IN:
Tommy Johnson Jr. moves to Snakes #2 car!



Subject-story
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:28:14 (EST)
From-Mleigh < same>


Frank O. Did he ever hire the kid???


Subject-The maple grove adra pipe dream LOL
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:26:18 (EST)
From-Another Silent Lurker < california>


I'm also another nose up needle pointer from the west coast. I worked with nitro teams for many years. Maple Grove is big and in a powerful market. Maple Grove also has one of the worst god awful excuses for a racing suface of the tour. NHRA keeps it because its a great market and that's about all it is. This ADRA pipe dream makes me laugh. The idea of an east coast nostalgia race has me and the dog rolling on the floor.


Subject-New promoters and shows etc.
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:23:12 (EST)
From-Mark Leigh < Mleigh358@aol.com>


To all the people that are actually involved and doing something constructive towards these new association,Bravo to all of you! Please don't try to use all the info on this site as alot of it is by people who will most likely never field a car or buy a ticket to watch. I know that you won't have all the best dates,that you can't offer enough purse to make it pay, and won't be at the very best tracks.I say you have to start somewhere so start there and build on it.As Pete said there were alot of races that GG didn't make money or got rained out or the tracks were terrible or the car counts were small. It takes a long time for Drag racing to establish a patttern of events that spectators will come to attend with regularity,unlike circle racing with weekly, shows etc.

As to the rules of the classes I would hope that you would set them and leave them for at least 4 years as nothing kills new cars into the class faster than rule changes.Keep it simple and people will adjust. Alot of guys with the money to build don't care so much as to the vehicle as they do to the structure, presentation and atmosphere. The GG program is a good place to start.It's not without it's flaws mind you but it works.

As for the rules are the GG rules going to be it in the Nostalgia class? When it gets on paper, please put me on your mailing list and good luck. Later Mark



Subject-ADRA-Lurker
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:21:03 (EST)
From-Professo Ginz < prfginz@yahoo.com>


$100 X 4000 spectators=$400,000

If they draw this much gate I'm going to demand more than a $31,000 purse!



Subject-KB's Daimler/Chrysler and stuff
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:17:06 (EST)
From-Tom P < racertom@hotmail.com>


Great story Frank :-) And you guys never found the battery?

Heading to LA from the CHRR a couple years ago we spotted a broken down station wagon with the hood up part way up the Grapevine...it was Gary Densham,i wondered if that AutoClub sponsorship really works?




Subject-ADRA
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:02:23 (EST)
From-Silent Lurker < silentL@aol.com>


As a west coast guy, I can't believe you people think this ADRA deal is some new star come to save the promised land of nostalgia drag racing. NDRA Goodguys ANRA Pro Nitro ADRA what do they all have in common? Nostalgia top fuel dragsters. Goodguys has tons of money and thousands of hot rod car members to draw from and lets don't forget there huge California car show events that draw tens of thousands of people. They had the money to buy good race dates at good tracks and the time to build up the March Meet which is there center piece in the world of nostalgia racing. Now this new track in Vegas will have two races and G-G will have the time and money to develope them into winners like the March Meet. I predict they will drop at least one of there two Sears Point races within two years. ADRA shows a $31,000 purse at Fallen Nevada? is this some kind of sick joke? and did they say Banning? A track that will probably never see the light of day and if it does who will show up to see nostalgia cars, hell Goodguys couldnt even put fans in the seats at Pomona how will Bannings weed patch sell enough tickets to pay for a $31,000 purse plus other expences. Come on guys are you peolpe lemmings or what? Can you say pie in the sky? Go ahead send in your $40 so they can raise a few thousand dollars to keep the dream alive for a few more months well at least until they have there big opener at Fallen. I guess if they sell there tickets for $100 each and then hope to sell 4000 tickets they might be able to break even. Has any one checked into this so called TV package? I thought not. Again can you say pie in the sky? OK I'm a lemming too, but I want my $40 bucks back now that I've had a chance to think about this whole deal. Unless they have the resorses of Gary Meadors and the Goodguys empire they are in for the same plight as NDRA ANRA Pro Nitro and any other small time group. Some one wrote on here that they give them 5 years, that guy is a flaming optimist, they won't even make 5 races at a $31,000 purse at tracks like Fallen Nevada or Banning give me a break!


Subject-Keith Black & Frank O.
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:00:21 (EST)
From-Troy Cagle < tccagle@gateway.net>


Grreat story.More please.

Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 14:00:21 (EST)
From-Pete Jensen < Look at the others>


Frank did you ever find it ???


Subject-Fallon
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 13:40:46 (EST)
From-Pete Jensen < foothillflr@cdepot.net>


Did I miss something...a race at Fallon...Is Dave Frobes involved...I hope...Man I hope they do it on HOT AUGEST NITES week...be a sure winner on that date...BIGGEST car event on the whinner coast...I'd like to help on something like that...Thats the kinda suff we need to do...GET OUTSIDE THE BOX...


Subject-Keith Black
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 13:40:16 (EST)
From-Frank Oglesby < oglesby@ellijay.com>


For quite some times during the 70's and 80's if you were a Keith Black parts customer you could rent space inside KB's fenced lot next to the shop.
We kept our rig there several times and during one of our winter vists KB bought a new Mercedes,telling us this is the first thing I have ever bought for myself instead of putting the money back into the business.
Being quite proud of his new toy Keith invited some of us to ride with him to lunch.
There were 4 of us KB--myself--Roland Leong--and I think Holley Heddrick.
We all were milling around the Mercedes getting ready to go when this kid on a bicycle rides up and starts talking to KB about a job after school cleaning up the shop.
We all get in KB turns the key and nothing happens--couple tries nothing, we all get out and open the hood looking for the battery--no battery there---We try the trunk no battery there either--Someone suggested it might be like an early Vette under the rear floorboards--So we start to look there as well.
In the mean time while we are opening all doors hood and trunk+ taking up the rear carpets this kid on the bicyle is calling KEITH-KIETH and after a few times of that Black turns to the kid--WHAT---Kid says you know you have to have it in park or it won't start.
KB climbs in and starts the car--We close the hood and trunk --Climb in and then we just set there (motor running)not looking at one other--4 hero tuners ok-ok three heros and me.
After another minute or so KB looks around to everyone and said " I would really apprectate it if we just kept this our little secret" Frank



Subject-Doing needle point
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 13:26:51 (EST)
From-Pete Jensen < foothillflr@cdepot.net>


I think NITRO NEIL IS an East Coast car,and has gone to more East coast races than all the others cars back there put togeather...I've said this before that the reason I race the Goodguys, is that on my limeted buget and the money that my sponsers have invested in me,the Goodguys give me the biggest bang for my buck...There are people in the stands the media is second to none...and you gotta run hard this is a no bullshit deal...Now you can build a car any where in the states BUT if you want to prove your self ya gotta come out here to see how you stack up aginst us west coast needle point racers...Niel, Paul and Clayton, Dale and Rader, Bach & Gould all have, they have all gone home knowing that they are just as good as us west coast whinners...They didn't bitch about the rules or the tow they just did it...For a long time I have thought that the way for this to grow in other parts of the country is for the fuel cars to dove tail on other events allready happing, like the Nights of Fire races put on at tracks turout the states...Rember the west coast thing took a lot of years to get going, and we took a lot of shit from people who said it won't work...Jerry's working his ass of to try to make his deal work...It's not a lot of fun to draw a target on your head so every one can take pot shoots at you...Good Luck Jerry...one of these days the FLYER will tow through your gates...


Subject-Nostalgia B.S.
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:58:54 (EST)
From-Bob Gibson < QMileDrags@aol.com>


It's great that we have a place like Header Flames to aire our views about racing and events, but we got people down playing planned events by ADRA, give them a chance!! nobody is going to have to book cars in from anywhere if the payout is as much as they said. We have Fuel Cars in the midwest and east too, maybe not as many as in the west, but we have tracks and they don't, some of the people out in California got too damn money hungry and sold out and about killed Drag Racing out there, Maple Grove may not be the best track in the country but the surface is smooth and when NHRA ran the Keystone Nationals, they ran fast, besides ADRA is starting thier tour out west, in Fallon,Nv. so when the racers go there and everything goes good, they will go on to the next event.
This thing will work, its been a long time comming, it takes alot of planning, nobody wants to fail, and as far as a get rich quick deal goes, just how rich can a person get on one event? and why? if you screw a bunch of people over then your name is "mud" in the racers world, you don't get a second chance.
Don't think that Bill Chapman isn't nervous about his first event.
I started the NFCA a couple of years ago and our first event was the Indy GoodGuys, I booked in 10 cars for an 8 car show, I had racers cancel out at the last minute, this thing was nerve racking, but it was worth it, we have had several match races sence then and I feel that it's been a success, because it's growing. You have to remember this isnt the 60s, alot of people are trying to bring back whats been dead for a long time, besides what other choice do we have? Thanks, Bob Gibson / NFCA



Subject-clayton
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:55:39 (EST)
From-brenda < morkvision@ net link.com>


I BELIEVE THAT CLAYTON WAS A BELIEVER IN CHRIST AND HE IS IN THAT HEAVENLY PLACE IN THE SKY, STREETS OF GOLD. BOY IS HE LUCKY,,,,BRENDA.


Subject-salvation
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:50:22 (EST)
From-bob urial < urial@net.com>


aman bob,
christ set me free some 12 yrs. ago. i feel like a new man and to know your right with god is such a relief if someone put a gun to my head i would not fear as i know that heaven awaits me.jesus christ is the only answer for this lost and dieing world, couldnt help but think that an angel was holding shumacher in the car as it tumbled over ond over that had to be the worst crash ive ever seen and selzi proir to that one wow, christ is wher its at.... bob urial.



Subject-Hey Jimbo...wwjd?
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:33:06 (EST)
From-Avg.Joe < gatoreco@bellsouth.com>


WWJD? What would Joe do? Pleased you asked...I'd keep all of this to drag racing.


Subject-ADRA
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:14:27 (EST)
From-Frank Kunkel < kunkel@sprint.ca>


Sounds good to me also, I'll be a member. Some constructive advice: I believe having to be a member to race will keep alot of people away that may want to try one event or an event they live close to. You don't have to be a member to race GGs Indy. I can see one having to be a member if there is a points fund of some kind. The two classes, Pro Top Fuel and was it, Nostalgia Top Fuel sounds interesting, can't wait for the details. I only run HR 2 but, I'll probably be at Maple Grove the week after Indy, I don't see any date conflict. See Ya.


Subject-right with him
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:13:25 (EST)
From-PASTOR DAVE < jcdeciple@ gp.comnet>


YOUR KINDA RIGHTTHERE JIMBO, BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN WE DIE THERE HEAVEN AND THERES HELL. WEATHER WE WANT TO BELIEVE THAT OR NOT IS OUR CHOICE, IF ITS TRUE THEN WE GO TO ONE OR THE OTHER, SIMPLE ASK CHRIST INTO YOUR LIFE FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED, DONT AND YOU CAN BE THE BEST PERSON IN THE WORLD BUT IF YOU DIDNT KNOW THE SON [JESUS CHRIST] HELL IS WERE YOU GO! I DIDNT WRITE THE BOOK, FOR THE NON BELIEVERS IF YOUR WRONG ABOUT HEAVEN AND HELL WHAT DO YOU GOT TO LOOSE. IDE LIKE TO KNOW IM COVERD FOR ETERNITY AND WHERE I CANT GO WRONG, WOULD YOU BET ON A HORSE THAT ALWAYS LOOSES???/ BELIEVE ME ITS IS TRUE AND YOULL NEVER KNOW IF YOU DONT GET RIGHT WITH THE MAN WHO KNOWS ALL YOUR SECRETS,HIDDEN THINGS,HAIRS ON YOUR HEADS... CHRIST IS THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE OF OUR ETERNAL WELBEING, RACERS FOR CHRIST.... FATHER WE THANKYOU FOR THIS DAY AND I ASK THOSE WHO HAVENT RECIEVED YOU AS THERE SAVIOR THAT THEY WOULD THRU WHATEVER MEENS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, HONE OF US ARE PERFECT JUST FORGIVEN WHEN WE ASK, JESUS IS LORD SOME WILL FIND OUT TOO LATE AND THERES NO TURNING BACK AND THAT LITTLE LIE THAT CHRISTIANS DONT HAVE ANY FUN IS JUST THAT A LIE, ACTUALLY THATS WHEN THE TRUE FUN BEGINS, TRY IT TODAY, READ THE BIBLE ITS THE BOOK OF DIRECTION IF YOU FEEL LOST IN THIS WORLD...........PASTOR DAVE.


Subject-CANT CHA TELL WE AINT INTERESTED?
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:08:35 (EST)
From-Bill Cazz < armguardbz@westcoast.net>


Enough about this Maple Grove dead on arrival race puh-lese! Ain't that the slippery track that got paved entirely WRONG?


Subject-wha..wha ...whaaaaaaa
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 12:02:13 (EST)
From-defiant one < sleepy@dreamon.com>


RR and WCF your better,smarter, TRUER than the rest?

sure sure SURE

the politcal posturing,crying and complaining that goes on on this site is pitiful.

spoiled children in denial,always and forever

misguided wasteful will

the blood is on EVERYONES hands

STFU



Subject-WHAT LANGUAGE WE USE????
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 11:53:19 (EST)
From-JIMBO < jtmoody@gpcom.net>


I CANT BELIEVE THE LANGUAGE SOME OF US USE ON THIS SITE? MY DAD USED TO SAY IF YOUR GOING TO LEAVE A MARK IN THIS WORLD LET IT BE ONE THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY YOU KNOW HE WAS A GOOD GUY, MADE FREINDS WITH EVERYONE, CANT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM, IF YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING NICE DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL... YOU KNOW!! THIS SITE IS GREAT IN THAT IT KEEPS PEOPLE INFORMED ABOUT RACING HEROS, WHATS UP WITH THEM, INSITES INTO TECHNICAL STUFF... THIS BLASTING EACH OTHER IS SO INMATURE,CHILDISH,FOOLISH.... I SURE WOULDNT PUT MY NAME ON SUCH EMAILIN. KINDA DEGRATE YOURSELVES. KEEP THE SITE FOR WHAT ITS INTENDED FOR, GOOD STUFF NOT CB LATENIGHT CRAP FOR THOSE WHO ARE SO BOARD OR DRUNK???OR WISH THEY WERE'S STUFF,IM A PEOPLE PERSON AND KEEP RIGHT WITH GOD AS MUCH AS I CAN SO IM ASURED A GREAT PLACE TO GO WHEN THE TICKER STOPS TICKIN AFTER THAT ITS HOW YOU PLAYED YOUR CARDS ON WHERE YOU END UP AND AT WHAT LEVEL,LETS SEARCH OUR HEARTS AND ASK OURSELVES WWJD. JIMBO NEBRASKA


Subject-RAMJET
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 11:42:33 (EST)
From-SO.CAL F/C BOYS < WGAINES40@AOL.COM>


FIRST OFF,IM BUYING THIS GUY DINNER AS SOON AS I MEET HIM.NEXT,AS A WEST COAST GUY ALL MY LIFE,I MIGHT BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN,BUT THE EAST COAST,AS I SEE IT,IS EVERYWHERE EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI.WHO ARE THOSE NITRO GUYS?WELL,LARRY GOULD[CHICAGO]BRUCE BROS,PIERRE WHATEVER HIS NAME IS,PLUS A GREAT SUPPORTING CAST OF GUYS LIKE BOB GIBSONS GROUP.WITH REAL LIFE PAYOUTS,IM SURE A FEW OF THOSE ALKY CARS WOULD SWITCH TO NITRO,AND THE OLD TIME TOP FUEL GOODGUYS DIDNT START OFF WITH THE SHERIFF AND WW2.IF YOU EASTCOAST GUYS ARE READING,TELL EVERYONE WHO YOU ARE SO THEY WILL QUIT WHINING.AS A GROUP OF F/C GUYS,MOST OF US HAVE AGREED THAT TRAVELING EAST OF DENVER IS OUT OF THE QUESTION,EVEN FOR TOW MONEY.WE ALL WORK LIKE SLAVES TO RUN THESE CARS LOCALLY.......

NOW,HOW ABOUT CHANGING THE NOSTALGIA TERM TO CLASSIC FUNNY CAR? THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE BETTER.

RAMJET,YOUR MY HERO,YOU NEED A RIDE IN A NITRO CAR,LET ME KNOW.........



Subject-Your Geritol is ready
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 11:12:59 (EST)
From-Rodger Ramjet < oldfolks home for racers>


<.....If you want real nostalgia cars the ADRA better get
out their checkbook and book the big boys from the west.>

There are virtually NO "nostalgia" cars in the west. They have gotten so far from the way the cars used to be that they are not even calling them "newstalgia" anymore, rather settling for the title AA/FED's. You all sit here and whine about the Goodguys and the NHRA, traveling across the country to the Indy Goodguys race for a shot at winning half the money it took to get there, and when someone works their collective asses off to provide what could turn out to be a far superior alternative (better purses, multi-media exposure, etc.)you turn up your noses, cry "BULLSHIT!" and turn your backs to go back to what you were doing : pissing and moaning about whatever like a bunch of Goddamn old ladies sitting on the porch with your needlepoint ! It just amazes me how in a few short decades you have gone from being a group of Hell on wheels, kick ass and tip the can dragracers to the maudlin' bunch of pussies that I am now watching ! Gawdamn shame!



Subject-Maple Crock
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 10:53:48 (EST)
From-Bobby Scheer < casurfers931@hotmail.com>


Slingshot 383 our heads aren't in the sand. You're wrong.
The MAR races are a joke. You have no proof that there are any cars from the east that can make the Maple Crock race worth going to. If you want real nostalgia cars the ADRA better get out their checkbook and book the big boys from the west.



Subject-more same
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 10:19:07 (EST)
From-Philly Moe < same>


I was at NYNS for the same race Dale emailed about. I was close to the scene of the wheelstander accident. It was NOT NOT NOT the Bardahl Bug. It was some Long Island guy, unknown before and unseen after.
Mr. Chapman , some questions:
Since you are a brand new group, with new and different rules, will you make your rules available on the web?

Is it true than any entrant in the Maple Grove race has to be a member of your organisation?

Do you feel that you have ANY idea of the kind of race car attendance at current eastern events? Do you know how many cars regulary attend in some classes in the Notheast region?
We could use "Jr. Fuel" as an example, what do you figure attendance is?

What would you say is the availability of funny cars or dragsters that actualy run on nitro, in this region?

Is your purse structure available to be viewed somewhere? You are a new organisation and many would like to see what you will pay and how it willl be distributed.

Does you Maple Grove event conflict with GOODGUYS at INDY?

thank you in advance for your honest answers.




Subject-ADRA
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 10:13:28 (EST)
From-Rocky Pirrone < JpTrans@Prodigy.net>


O.K., time to eat some crow, I'm writing this post as an apology to Bill Chapman and the ADRA. My earlier post was written from information that I thought reliable. Turns out the ADRA has some very credible individuals working for them that I respect greatly. They have my support and my check is in on the way.

Rocky



Subject-ADRA
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 09:19:04 (EST)
From-Slingshot383 < lhunter@mail.win.org>


I like what I've heard so far about the ADRA. Just wish they would have looked around a little more before scheduling their midwest race dates. Now they have some scheduling conflicts with established midwest nostalgia events. Memorial Weekend, and the first weekend in August, Mid-America Raceways in Wentzville, Mo. always has their nostalgia events, June 6-8 is The Goodguys race at Indy, and June 30-July 1 is the Slingshot Nationals at Cordova, Il.

For the guys on the west coast that thinks there is no nostalgia racing east of the Rockies, I think it is way past time to pull you heads out of the sand. The sun doesn't rise and set on only the west coast. MAR has been putting on nostalgia events for over 15 years, and you can't discount Suhr and Luctinburgs performances and Indy and Cordova last year.



Subject-D vs. C debates....
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 07:23:57 (EST)
From-wb < same>


Who gives a damn what they do....really?!! Contracts are basically an IV drip for lawyers...Dean, find out who the law firm is and get them to sponsor you! THEY will win this little war...Now, back to some good ol' drag racing type posts. Hey Frank...how about some A. Coil stories?


Subject-Geeze, he's learning to edit...
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 06:55:38 (EST)
From-Ski < Wrenchski@aol.com>


HEY JIMBO-
It'll be easy to spot the Header Flamers who read E.B.White's book, their posts will look like
PRESS RELEASES.
(assuming the folks at DRAG RACER mag have read it)

You've either got style, or ya don't.
Cain't learn it from no book.

You've started the long slide down...
Ya buy a racer dinner, next thing ya know
yer paying to get in the races
so's ya can work on his car.

Seein' as how NR is ALREADY supporting ADRA
BY HELPING THEM REACH OUT AND TOUCH POTENTIAL SUPPORTERS,
Maybe they could e-mail us their master plans?
OR BUY SOME AD SPACE?



Subject- >>> THE PUMP(s), ALKY & NITRO
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 06:13:31 (EST)
From-Roland Tamaccio < Roland Tamaccio>


... Jimbo: I am sure that data is availiable from most pump builders but is there a way to now obtain the bypass numbers during a run ???


Subject-adra classes
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 01:31:21 (EST)
From-Bill Chapman < nitrobill@adraracing.com>


Our brochure lists all classes.here is a sampling.
Pro top fuel
Nostalgia top fuel
Fuel funny car
Fuel altered
Pro comp(A fuel dragster runs blown alcohol dragster)
jr. fuel
Blown gas dragster (AA & BB)
Gas dragster ( A thru F )
Blown Alcohol altered
Altered ( A thru F )
A/FX
B/FX
AA/gas & ( A thru F )
S/S & SS/A
Hot Rod (1 & 2 )
etc..........



Subject-hello from australia
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 01:26:20 (EST)
From-shadow < shaddo@datafast.net.au>


hey there guys and girls l am from australia and l was just doing some net surfing about drag racing and it come to here so yeah l run in a class we call here street stock and yeah l thought l would just put that in here plz send e-mails to me l would like that very much


Subject-Another ADRA guy surfaces
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 01:22:26 (EST)
From-Dick Barber < dick@adraracing.com>


Since Bill decided to break cover, I thought I would come out of deep lurk, too.

I am the Chairman of the Board and Chief Information Officer. That means I work at making things work and leave all the day-to-day stuff up to Chapman and his crew.

He is doing a great job!

Pretty much the entire organization and the stock holders have been following the comments here for sometime. Those who can't get on-line for a couple of days call Bill or I and we read them what's up.

There have been some great questions about who we are and, our favorite -- where did they come from, asked here.

Instead of us answering, we are leaving that to the professionals who have taken the time to do deep background interviews, follow our development, and in other ways learned what we are about.

We don't expect you to believe stuff we say about ourselves; you don't even know who we are.

They do and they will tell all.

Starting next week in Scott's magazine, and with Richard in his, the word will hit the street. These men can tell a good story that you can trust. Also, they can spell.

We have not seen anything they are going to publish and have not insulted them by asking to see any copy. We expect them to tell it like it is.

Once they have, we will be more active here and on other boards and newsgroups.

till then,
db

ADRA 2001
Be There!!!!



Subject-Big Bopper,LarryT&KentJacksons; LIST
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 01:09:32 (EST)
From-Bill Chapman < nitrobill@adraracing.com>


Now we're getting somewhere!Cindi Lauper sang,Girls just wanna have fun.Bill sez,hey gearheads,lets hava some fun too!


Subject-general flaming
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 01:06:57 (EST)
From-jim becktel < jimiscnc@aol.com>


Dave Hopkins - thanks for the concise info on this merger business. Puts it all in a tidy little nutshell. What is the name of the book? Sounds like it should be mandatory reading for all us Flamers.

Second mandatory book should be E.B. Whites Elements of Style, so all posts can read like they were done by professional journalists. It's my goal in life to never even open it because Ski's advice to me on writing (don't get ANY education on writing what so ever) is something I hold very dear.

Bill's post seemed pretty understandable and well written to me, but in the second reading separating the paragraphs woulda been a nice touch, but no big whoop.

Can't Ski and Cole get those spiffy grammer and spelling checkers like all word processing programs have?

Bill - can I call next week during business hours and get an ADRA membership by credit card? Checks are so much "for the little people" it would make me feel icky. (Think Bill Gates writes personal checks?)

Got some email from Dale Pulde who was at the NYNS race with the Bahrdal Bug that injured so many I had mentioned in one of my rare posts that actually had anything to do with drag racing. It was his first race on the east coast and he had his first fire in a race with Della Woods that weekend. Thanks for the info Dale.

Spend the evening with Al and Ellen Hanna, conducting part deux of the HF interview. First part was 1 hour of tape and 6 hours of transcription which took me 6 months to produce. Now I got 2 hours of tape plus a priceless file of ink Al kept through his whole career. So, it should take 3 years to finish this time, all things being equal. But the thought of someday putting that Nitronics sticker on my crappy 150,000 Probe makes it all worth it. Ski - who do I mail my expenses to for reimbursement for the DINNER IT WAS MY TURN TO BUY????? Al told me Bill Stephens was a DJ in Hartford wayyyyyy before the racing thing, and he locked himself in the studio for 38 hours playing the same record over and over. Not implying hes gonna fill Steve Evans big shoes, but I think he can be pretty Evans-esque talent and character-wise.

You flamers won't have any more posts from Jimmy to kick around any more. I got work to do. Boy I hope this Dragon Naturally Speaking voice recognition stuff works or Ski and Dean are gonna be pizzed.

-90% Jimmy "I'll have it all done by Christmas" NITROFAN.COM Nitrophilia Editor



Subject-FUEL RATIO'S.
Date- Sunday, December 03, 2000 at 00:47:59 (EST)
From-JIMBO < jtmoody@gpcom.net>


ANYONE KNOW THE CFW"S BETWEEN THE BACKFLOW ON A FUEL CAR VERSES AN ALCOHOL CAR AT 2000 DFC'S??? EMAIL FOR THE ANSWER. JIMBO.


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