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U.N. - Sponsored Aliens Land In Yellowstone

Constitution News Keywords: UN, UNESCO, WORLD HERITAGE SITES, BIOSPHERES, SOVEREIGNTY
Source: Insight Magazine
Published: October 28, 1996 Author: Gayle M.B. Hanson
Posted on 12/27/1999 18:39:33 PST by Uncle Bill

U.N. - Sponsored Aliens Land In Yellowstone

The Clinton Administration allowed an obscure treaty to establish U.N. authority over Yellowstone National Park, the Statue of Liberty and other American sites. House Democrats backed the power grab.

Okay, so maybe there were only a handful of individuals involved, and maybe they didn't actually arrive in the dead of night protected by whirring black helicopters and hell-bent on clandestine maneuvers. But the fact that four members of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization's, or UNESCO's, World Heritage Committee traveled from halfway around the globe to the Idaho-Montana-Wyoming border area in summer 1995 to investigate a "dangerous" situation unfolding at Yellowstone National Park has some people still scratching their heads in disbelief.

The aforementioned (dare we say it?)aliens were invited to poke around on their fact-finding mission at Yellowstone by Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Fish and Wildlife and Parks George Frampton Jr. Frampton, at the behest of the U.S. Park Service and a cavalcade of environmental groups including the Sierra Club, the National Audubon Society and the Wilderness Society, an organization Frampton once led, officially sought the intervention of UNESCO's World Heritage Committee to remedy what they called "extremely serious threats" by a proposed gold mine near the park.

The initial correspondence from the environmental groups to the World Heritage Centre in March 1995 requested that Yellowstone be put on the List of the World Heritage in Danger due to the mine that was planned on its perimeter. The World Heritage Centre followed up with a letter to Frampton in June requesting a detailed analysis of the site to determine whether it should be included for consideration as endangered at their July meeting in Paris. On June 27, Frampton responded on behalf of the Clinton administration in a lengthy letter in which he pleaded for intervention by the U.N. group and urged that international investigators immediately be sent to Yellowstone.

"[Interior] Secretary Babbitt and I are informed of the nongovernmental conservation group concerns as transmitted to the Centre," Frampton wrote to Bernd von Droste, the World Heritage Centre director. "We believe that a potential danger to the values of the park and surrounding waters and fisheries exists and the Committee should be informed that the property as inscribed in the World Heritage List is in danger."

In short, invoking a madcap treaty, the Clinton administration accepted U.N. sovereignty in these matters and called upon a U.N. agency to save Yellowstone. Several months later four individuals from the Centre flew to the rescue. "I was there the entire time they visited," says Paul C. Jones, executive director of the Minerals Exploration Coalition, a mining-advocacy group. "We were in the midst of a very long, very serious, congressionally mandated process to produce an environmental-impact statement on the mine proposed for the park. We were strictly following the rules as spelled out by the National Environmental Protection Act. When suddenly, with the appearance of the U.N., what had been an ordinary process became a political debate. And it was apparent that these people had made up their minds before they even got there."

During their visit to the proposed site for New World Mine, north of Cooke City, Mont., the four visitors had the opportunity to interact with many of the more common local species including environmentalists, park-service representatives and mining-industry honchos. In fact, each member of the visiting U.N. team traveled in an overland vehicle (read jeep) with their own locally supplied good-guy environmentalist and evil mine representative. This allowed for a continuing dialogue to be maintained wherein each side could bark loudly at the other.

The visitors also took time out from their research to discuss the future of the park with many reporters who had gathered from around the globe. Adul Wichiencharoen of Thailand, who heads the World Heritage Committee, went so far as to tell a reporter from Montana's Billings Gazette that the park might be improved by the addition of several million additional acres of land. "Certainly the forest acres around Yellowstone belong to the same ecosystem," he said. "All of these lands must have protection so their integrity is not threatened."

The end result was that the visitors returned to the World Heritage Centre, presented their findings in Berlin that November and the world body voted to place Yellowstone on its list of endangered sites. The resulting international bad press effectively derailed the permit process and in late August the mine owners agreed to a land swap with the U.S. government, ridding them of their parcel for $65 million worth of property in a location yet to be determined.

Where was Yogi Bear when he was needed? It isn't certain. But the circus of events that took place in the mountains was enough to send House Resources Committee Chairman Don Young of Alaska to urge passage of the American Land Sovereignty Protection Act of 1996 faster than you could say Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

Young's proposal simply provided that Congress be allowed to assert its authority over what American landmarks make the World Heritage List. The World Heritage List is a product of the UNESCO Convention Concerning the Protection of the World Cultural and National Heritage, a treaty taking precedence at law over the U.S. Constitution. Since it was adopted in 1972 (the United States was its initiator and first signatory), the convention has been used to project the authority of a U.N. agency over an ever-growing list of officially designated cultural and natural sites. Commemorative photos are taken. Plaques are installed at qualifying locations. National sovereignty is eroded.

At present 496 cultural and natural sites throughout the world are included on the list. They cover a diverse compendium, including such buildings as Independence Hall, the Statue of Liberty and the Leaning Tower of Pisa, and such areas of regional and national interest as the Florida Everglades and Mount Everest.

"Land designations under the World Heritage and Biosphere Reserve programs have been created with virtually no congressional oversight and no congressional hearings. The public and local governments are rarely consulted," says Young.

Instead, in the case of the World Heritage List, sites generally are recommended for this internationalization by the National Park Service. Twenty such sites are within the confines of the U.S. borders; two additional sites, Yellowstone and the Everglades, are on the list of endangered heritage sites. Hundreds of additional sites around the globe are pending inclusion on the list. If neither the first McDonald's nor Yankee Stadium has yet to be included, it could be an oversight.

Certainly the UNESCO folks are looking to improve their holdings. "An analysis of the World Heritage List has shown that the industrialized world, religious Christian movements, historical cities, historical periods and 'elitist' architecture are over-represented," according to World Heritage Centre documents. Well, so much for getting McDonald's on the list.

Now the World Heritage Centre is willing to admit that for the moment it is a dog that barks but has no bite. It can't yet force the United States to do anything about its national parks or turn over the Statue of Liberty. But these people are nothing if not ambitious. Although UNESCO admits that it has no enforcement teeth (which begs the question of why there should be such a list in the first place), the Clinton administration first strongly asserted its desire that Yellowstone be put on the endangered list and then opposed passage of Young's bill, which would have taken nomination of sites to the World Heritage List out from under the relatively opaque operations of the Interior Department and placed them in the hands of Congress.

"If Congress wishes to micromanage these international programs, it could assume that responsibility," claimed Rep. George Miller of California, the senior Democratic member of the House Resources Committee. "However, it is very ironic that this Congress is willing to spend its waning days fixing programs that are not broken...."

Critics slap their heads, roll their eyes and wonder if a treaty really has ceded American sovereignty over the Statue of Liberty and Independence Hall. They note with suspicion the administration's loathing of the proposed Young bill, going so far as to promise a presidential veto had it passed. They ask why we have Clinton protecting a list that supposedly doesn't matter--from a bill that supposedly doesn't matter.

Some who testified in favor of the bill argue strongly that congressional oversight is a constitutional necessity. "If these international programs are seen as harmless because they are merely symbolic, Congress is entitled to think competing concerns also deserve 'symbolic' recognition," testified Jeremy A. Rabkin, an expert in constitutional law from Cornell University. "[The bill] seems to me a modest but useful statement that global enthusiasms should not be allowed to run roughshod over our traditional constitutional principles."

But if the American Land Sovereignty Protection Act of 1996 didn't stand a chance this time around, and the bill, while it received a majority of votes, did not recieve the two-thirds vote necessary for it to pass under the rules of suspension, it still is not a fight that's finished. Young has vowed to keep the pressure on when the 105th Congress convenes.

"While I'm pleased that a strong majority of the House supported this legislation, I'm amazed that a single member of Congress would oppose having congressional oversight of international land designations within the borders of the United States," Young says. Clinton administration claims of U.N. authority over Yellowstone and the Statue of Liberty are meanwhile continuing to give conservatives a bad case of dyspepsia.

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The Official Home Page of the Commission on Global Governance
World Heritage Operational Guidelines
World Heritage Program Home Page
UNESCO Man and the Biosphere Home Page
"Map of Simulated Reserves and Corridors Depicting Requirements of the Convention on Biological Diversity"
"UNESCO -MAB (Biosphere Reserves & Networks) USA"
"U.S. Biosphere Reserves Directory"
"U.S. Man & the Biosphere (MAB) Program"
"UNESCO -MAB (FAQ on Biosphere Reserves)"
"THE Statutory Framework of the World Network of Biosphere Reserves"
"ICE: MAB Fauna Database Online Query System"
"World Heritage/Biosphere Reserve List"
"World Heritage List UNESCO Biospheres"
United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development
Department for Policy Coordination and Sustainable Development
 International Institute for Sustainable Development
Agenda 21
OVERALL REVIEW AND APPRAISAL OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF AGENDA 21
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The Rio+5 Consultation
Transcript of the Report by Maurice F. Strong
The World Wide Web Virtual Library:  SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT
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Canada and Agenda 21
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"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly....However, now there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." - Bill Clinton - MTV's Enough is Enough, March 22, 1994

1 Posted on 12/27/1999 18:39:33 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: AuntB

We were talking about this recently. Here you go.

2 Posted on 12/27/1999 18:40:55 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

"Commemorative photos are taken. Plaques are installed at qualifying locations. "

I propose a bounty on these plaques. Any takers?

3 Posted on 12/27/1999 18:51:45 PST by RightOnline
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To: Uncle Bill

".... When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." - Bill Clinton

When presidential power is being abused,you have to move to limit it.--"We the people."

4 Posted on 12/27/1999 18:58:26 PST by gatex
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To: gatex

Funny thing, I wasn't even trying to do it. I just surfed the web for a Yellowstone picture. Found one quickly and used it for this article. Take your mouse and point the arrow on the picture above. Click on your right mouse button. Go down to "properties." Then read the address. It has "UNESCO" in the address. Fitting, I guess.

5 Posted on 12/27/1999 19:06:43 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

Yet another reason to vote for Harry Browne.

He has promised that one of his first actions would be to extracate the USA from any and all connections with the UN and all of its agencies.  The same applies for GATT and the WTO.

I can think of Republicans that I like more than Harry Browne, but unfortunately, none of them are running.  It will feel strange to vote for a Libertarian, even if he can't win.

But, just think what it would mean if by some miracle he won.  The UN cannot exist without US involvement.  By the time he finished his first term, the UN would be history.

 

6 Posted on 12/27/1999 19:26:22 PST by Action-America (Action-America)
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To: Noumenon

The environmental Nazis love us also:

"...The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don't suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them." - Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs." - John Davis, editor of Earth First Journal

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken

"Cannibalism is a radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation." - Lyall Watson, The Financial Times - July 15, 1995

"Protecting the environment is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of preserving nature." - J.H. Robbins

"Global sustainability requires: the deliberate quest of poverty....reduced resource consumption...and set levels of mortality control." - Professor Maurice King

"The environmentalist's dream is an Egalitarian society based on rejection of economic growth, a smaller population, eating lower on the food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of resources much more equally." - Aaron Wildavsky

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." - Richard Benedict, State Dept./Conservation Foundation

"Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." - Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

"The secret to David McTaggart's(early officer in Greenpeace) success is the secret to Greenpeace's success: It doesn't matter what is true...it only matters what people believe is true...You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine." - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.

"Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover the source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it." - Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

"We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing--in terms of economic policy and environmental policy." - Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator(D-Colorado)

"We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects....We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land." - David Foreman, Earth First

"The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans." - Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

"As radical environmentalists, we can see AIDS not as a problem, but as a necessary solution." - Miss Ann Thropy(pseudonym), Earth First Journal

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing....This is to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run." - Economist editorial

"I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the environmental bandwagon don't have the slightest idea of what they are getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles." - Dennis Hayes, Eart Day Agenda

"The invention of the concept of sustainable human development and that of so-called human security, as opposed to territorial security of nation-states, and its promotion by the UN is in clear contradiction to all that we, the Group of 77, and the UN Charter itself consider inalienable, namely national sovereignty and security." - Pranab Mukherjee, India's Minister Of Commerce- Earth Times, Oct.15,1994

"It's(the prospect of cheap fusion energy) the worst thing that could happen to the planet." - Jeremy Rifkin

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

"Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition." - Peter Singer, the father of Animal Rights

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day." - Dr. Jacques Cousteau

"I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." - John Davis, editor of Earth First Journal

"We reject the idea of private property." - Peter Berle, President of National Audubon Society

"People are the cause of all the problems, we have too many of them; we need to get rid of some of them, and this(ban of DDT) is as good a way as any." - Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund

"This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with health and safety." - Sherry Neddick, Greenpeace

7 Posted on 12/27/1999 19:28:38 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

Wow!

Every single one of these "people" espousing a rapid reduction in human population needs to put their money where their mouth is and go kill themselves immediately! If there are too many people then they, starting with Prince Phillip, have a moral obligation to start the ball rolling by taking the first step--suicide--to lead the rest of us.

Otherwise....Shut the HELL up!!!!

8 Posted on 12/27/1999 19:55:52 PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Uncle Bill

UNESCO Constitution.... Article I...... Purposes and Functions ..... 1. The purpose of the Organization is to contribute to peace and security by promoting collaboration among the nations through education, science and culture in order to further universal respect for justice, for the rule of law and for the human rights and fundamental freedoms which are affirmed for the peoples of the world, without distinction of race, sex, language or religion, by the Charter of the United Nations...... 2. To realize this purpose the Organization will: .... (a) Collaborate in the work of advancing the mutual knowledge and understanding of peoples, through all means of mass communication and to that end recommend such international agreements as may be necessary to promote the free flow of ideas by word and image; ..... (b) Give fresh impulse to popular education and to the spread of culture: ..... By collaborating with Members, at their request, in the development of educational activities; By instituting collaboration among the nations to advance the ideal of equality of educational opportunity without regard to race, sex or any distinctions, economic or social; By suggesting educational methods best suited to prepare the children of the world for the responsibilities of freedom; ...... (c) Maintain, increase and diffuse knowledge:..... By assuring the conservation and protection of the world's inheritance of books, works of art and monuments of history and science, and recommending to the nations concerned the necessary international conventions; ..... By encouraging co-operation among the nations in all branches of intellectual activity, including the international exchange of persons active in the fields of education, science and culture and the exchange of publications, objects of artistic and scientific interest and other materials of information; ..... By initiating methods of international co-operation calculated to give the people of all countries access to the printed and published materials produced by any of them. ...... 3. With a view to preserving the independence, integrity and fruitful diversity of the cultures and educational systems of the States Members of the Organization, the Organization is prohibited from intervening in matters which are essentially within their domestic jurisdiction.

9 Posted on 12/27/1999 20:16:14 PST by GoBlueUofM
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To: Alas Babylon!

I'm sure there are some on this site that cringe when I use the term environmental Nazis above. I'm not cringing at all. I look at the elites, not the misguided souls wandering around from tree to tree, living in them, peeing from on high in a treetop. These elites are socialists/communists. They will be the same ones ordering their brownshirts to line folks up over a 20 ft. ditch and blasting the back of their dissidents heads off. Watch and see. I have no doubt about it. I do believe there are enough sober, knowledgable and armed citizens to give them a run for their money before fulfilling the plan. Americans care little about sovereignty. Right now, Monday Night Football rules.

10 Posted on 12/27/1999 20:17:24 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

Thanks for this post...your information is so thorough...and sheds so much light on issues...

11 Posted on 12/27/1999 20:22:46 PST by shield
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To: shield

Thanks shield, I appreciate it. Bump.

12 Posted on 12/27/1999 20:56:24 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

"However, it is very ironic that this Congress is willing to spend its waning days fixing programs that are not broken...."

What waning days? The close of the last session or when Congress will be disbanned and declared illegal by a fuzzy-haired-facist First Freak!

13 Posted on 12/27/1999 21:24:38 PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Uncle Bill

United Nations Declaration of Human Rights

Article 29(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

14 Posted on 12/27/1999 21:33:07 PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Uncle Bill

Being on those UN historic sites lists has not protected about 16 or so Serbian Orthodox Churches from destruction by the kla. DARN! Nobody got around to telling those kla guys(& gals & kids)...hey, don't blow up that CHURCH/MONASTERY...the UN likes it.

15 Posted on 12/27/1999 21:34:56 PST by crazykatz
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To: crazykatz

Bump for all Uncle Bill's posts!

I live less than an hour from Yellowstone and I can tell you some horror stories of abuse by "rangers" accompanied by observers against lawful hunters outside the Park bounderies. They come outside the Park in camoflauge with night vision and write bogus violations to intimidate hunters out of the area. You are then required to attend a federal court in a Wyoming jurisdiction, even though the event occurred in Montana. It is very intimidating and if you have any sense of what you are up against, you plead guilty and get the hell out.

I predict that someday soon, there will be a major Randy Weaver type incident over these abuses by the UNESCO ordained "rangers" operating outside the bounderies of Yellowstone. The term that gets bantied around lots here is"Greater Yellowstone".

These folks are also responsable for releasing the Canadian wolves into the Park. They are conservativly taking a thousand elk a year now and breeding like houseflys.

16 Posted on 12/27/1999 21:55:48 PST by Claymoremind
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To: Claymoremind

WOW! just like GREATER ALBANIA!!! dern it.I hate the UN.....

17 Posted on 12/27/1999 22:50:31 PST by crazykatz
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To: Claymoremind

Very upsetting activity. Thanks for the input. Regards.

18 Posted on 12/28/1999 00:50:21 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

PISS ON THE U.N.

AHHHH!! Much better.

19 Posted on 12/28/1999 01:06:10 PST by Claymoremind
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To: Claymoremind

Tell The UN To Stuff It!

20 Posted on 12/28/1999 01:25:27 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

I'm sure there are some on this site that cringe when I use the term environmental Nazis above. I'm not cringing at all.

Me either. I've lived among them (or perhaps they among me?) long enough to know it's true. They are hateful, intolerant, power-mad, narcissistic, hypocritical, dangerous, and shamelessly dishonest people. I think they easily qualify for Nazi status. (And, no, I'm not referring to the misguided ones, either.)

21 Posted on 12/28/1999 01:54:09 PST by Benighted
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To: Benighted

Bttt.

22 Posted on 12/28/1999 11:34:51 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

My, My, what a quote! Scary SOB, huh?

Have a happy new year anyway, Uncle Bill. Be safe.

23 Posted on 12/28/1999 13:04:17 PST by AuntB
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To: Uncle Bill

These quotes sound like they come right from FR.

From all those posters who pay lip service to freedom but secretly worship the gods of slavery.

24 Posted on 12/28/1999 13:08:40 PST by po'boy
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To: Claymoremind

My Arthur was born and raised near Cody..how horrid to see this happening. By the way..you should see the Claymore that Art made! The sword he made me for Christmas is fabulous! My very own! Wish I had a scanner! Such talent he has.

25 Posted on 12/28/1999 13:16:15 PST by AuntB
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To: metalbird1, MadasHell

Last week, Michael Medved said this was just a bunch of hoohey. Nothing to it. Just paranoid rantings from folks that can't see the light of truth. Just pure silly and ignorant screeches from the fringe. I guess Insight Magazine will have to order their tin-foil protective head piece. E-Bay has a special on them for $19.95, included with U.N. decoder rings and free shipping.

26 Posted on 01/10/2000 18:45:40 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

Flame-deflection bump.

27 Posted on 01/10/2000 19:13:40 PST by metalbird1
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To: Uncle Bill

I've been thinking about this land grab as well. It's for the children, doncha know?!

28 Posted on 01/10/2000 20:54:05 PST by MadAsHell
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To: MadAsHell

I can hear the gentlemen Senators now. "This is somewhat troubling. This is of concern to us." News sluts leave, then, they continue their discussion of their fundraising party in Hawaii with blow-up dolls and sunscreen and why their aides haven't confirmed the dates yet.

29 Posted on 01/10/2000 21:02:32 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: RightOnline

Great souvenirs, wouldn't they be?!

30 Posted on 01/10/2000 21:02:42 PST by MadAsHell
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To: MadAsHell

Bttt.

31 Posted on 01/26/2000 03:47:18 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: MadAsHell

Bttt.

32 Posted on 03/15/2000 02:27:24 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill

"E-Bay has a special on them for $19.95, included with U.N. decoder rings and free shipping."

I missed this golden, er, aluminum opportunity when you mentioned it the first time around. :-)

33 Posted on 03/15/2000 08:30:36 PST by MadAsHell
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To: Uncle Bill-MAKE WASH.D.C. A UN HERITAGE SITE!!!

This incredible post deserves to be read by everyone! I want to make Wash D.C. and endangered site...think about it...I bet all natural habitat has been destroyed there...get ALL the people out!!! SAVE DC!!!!

34 Posted on 03/15/2000 08:46:07 PST by AuntB
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To: AuntB

Bttt.

35 Posted on 04/05/2000 00:40:00 PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: AuntB, Uncle Bill

What a great, ingenious idea! A unique way to fumigate and get rid of the cockroaches and bloodsuckers!

36 Posted on 04/05/2000 01:04:42 PDT by MadAsHell
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To: Claymoremind

LOL! Bump


From JPFO
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37 Posted on 04/05/2000 01:31:40 PDT by "12-Gauge"
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To: magnumsrule

bttt

38 Posted on 08/01/2000 17:52:43 PDT by Uncle Bill
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