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WITNESS #4 TESTIMONY
HOW ARE YOU?
Oh, Pretty good.
WERE YOU ABLE TO SLEEP TODAY AFTER SEEING THIS THING?
It was pretty wild. It threw me.
I TALKED WITH SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE THIS MORNING AFTER I GOT YOUR CALL AND THEY OF COURSE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
Dispatch called them last night and they laughed at them. But even if they did have something up卼hey said they didn't have anything in the air. So.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME. I TALKED TO PUBLIC AFFAIRS.
That's probably standard procedure.
WHEN YOU LAST SAW IT IT WAS HEADING TOWARDS SCOTT WASN'T IT?
No, it came from south of Millstadt here from a southward direction and headed like north, northeast toward Dupo, St. Louis area from here.
IT HEADED NORTH-NORTHEAST?
Like toward Dupo, St. Louis direction. In fact I called dispatch to have Dupo keep an eye out for it because I knew it was headed their direction. Dupo said they saw something, but I don't think he saw what I did. He sounded real passive you know. If he saw what I saw he'd know it.
DID ANY OF THE OTHER GUYS YOU TALKED TO FROM SHILOH OR HIGHLAND SEE ANYTHING?
The only one I talked to was _______at Shiloh. His partner that was on that night saw it. I didn't actually talk with him. But he saw it. He gave me his name.
What I did is I came back and drew out a little quick sketch of what I saw. When I saw it, I wouldn't have even thought about it, but whenever Lebanon and Shiloh dispatch was say well grab a picture of it. We want to see it. The first thing that popped into my head was to grab the Polaroid. It was like 18� degrees out last night. Cold. I grabbed the Polaroid out of the trunk. It was like snap and errrrrrrrr and I 'm like oh great. But I got some of the lights you can see on the bottom but its real dark.
OK. HE MUST WORK THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT TOO THEN, HUH?
WHERE IS SHILOH FROM WHERE YOU ARE?
It's northeast. About 45 minutes from here.
CAN YOU HIT FROM WHAT YOU WERE DOING BEFORE YOU SAW IT SO I CAN GET IT FIRST HAND RATHERE THAN FROM THE CHIEF?
Sure. It was 3-4 o'clock in the morning and everything's dead. I mean that's about the dead time of the day. I was just kind of monitoring the radio traffic. I heard a dispatch call come out from ah ah Highland PD had contacted our dispatch CENCOM up here and said that a business owner up there in Highland had saw this thing between Highland and Lebanon and he was very adamant about he wanted a police officer to verify it. What he saw. He wanted somebody to go and check it out to see what it was. And they contacted Lebanon and told them what it was and Lebanon was like 10� was he drunk or� Kind of made a joke out of it. Allright I check it out and he went out that direction. The next thing you know he's on the radio and he's like Wow! I see it. He verified seeing it. I think he wait it was like hovering and then it moved on and it was headed toward Shiloh direction. And to contact Shiloh to keep an eye out for it. Well, the next thing you know Shiloh is on there梂e see it. So I'm like oh Hell it may come out direction so I went over to the east end of town and sat in a car wash parking lot and didn't see anything so I went over on the north end of town to a park where it's a big open lot it was darker. I was sitting there and I saw blinking lights from aiplanes and things like that and I thought that's all they saw. I turn around and like wow! This thing was only 500 to 1000 feet off the ground, it was low. And it was huge. I mean probably a story to a story and a half thick and about three times that long.
WHAT ARE YOU CALLING A STORY OR A STORY AND A HALF?
About 10� foot. It was thick. It was probably 18� foot thick. It was shaped like a fat arrowhead. The rear of it was like concaved. It went in and it had a white light on each side of the rear and one in the center. And a red light at the very bottom. The background of it was like a dim white light. Like the old night rider looking strobe. I caught it, it was almost directly kind of to the west of me. As it passed over me
DID IT PASS RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD?
Well actually it was a little bit to the west side of me. It wasn't directly overhead, no.
ABOUT HOW FAR AWAY?
Gosh, it's hard to judge cause I don't know how high it was in comparison to the distance. It may have been like on the west side of town, possibly. But it was close and low. I mean it was just hovering, no sound, just maybe a real low type buzz is all I heard. And being cold out, sound usually travels. It basically made no noise, for as big as it was. And then it banked toward the north northeastward direction toward Dupo-St. Louis area and it disappeared over the tree line.
THAT'S HOW YOU LOST SIGHT OF IT, OVER THE TREE LINE?
Uh huh. Yep.
ABOUT HOW LONG DID YOU SEE IT?
It was quite a while because I had time to get a hold of dispatch. I got out of the car, grabbed the Polaroid and it was about half way through the time period and then I watched for a little bit after I screwed with the camera. Maybe even 10 minutes.
DID YOUALL REPORT THIS TO ANY OTHER AGENCY?
You are who I called. A couple of months ago we got a brochure from you guys.
HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY UFO EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST.?
No. I thought it was all BS. I won't forget this.
WHAT WAS THE ANGLE OF OBSERVATION OF IT?
Maybe 45. and then I watched it out of sight.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A COPY OF YOUR SKETCH AND THE PHOTOGRAPH?
WE WILL SEND THE PHOTOGRAPH BACK. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TRY TO ENHANCE IT, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME SHAPE OUT OF IT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL YOU CAN SEE ARE THE LIGHTS.
Yeah. You can see the three lights. The one center light is like off centered to the right side. It may have been when started making bank.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT YOU CAN'T SEE A SHAPE?
Not really, no.
COULD YOU FAX ME YOUR SKETCH?
Yeah, I can do that. I mean its rough, I'm not an artist. I use templates for traffic crashes.
I DID TOO. THAT WAS A GREATEST INVENTION THAT EVER CAME OUT. I WAS A POLICE OFFICER FROM 65 TO 67.
WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS ON LIKE THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN-
Our town's not real big. We are a village.
ABOUT HOW FAR WOULD THAT BE?
A half mile.
ABOUT A HALF A MILE.
I think we are about a mile or mile and a half across anyway. A small town, population about 3000.
AND YOU SAY IT WAS BETWEEN 500 AND A THOUSAND FEET IN THE AIR?
WERE THERE ANY OTHER LKIGHTS ON IT THAT YOU COULD TELL?
Not that I could tell, no.
IT BANKED NORTH NORTHESAST, RATHER THAN NORTH NORTHWEST, RIGHT?
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE HUM?
Real low pitch. I mean like you could barely hear it but you could tell it was there. You know what I mean? Like a low buzz.
COULD YOU RELATE IT TO ANYTHING THAT WE MUTUALLY MIGHT HAVE HEARD?
Oh, what would you compare it to? The chief and I were talking this morning and it didn't sound like a prop or a jet. I was wondering if it was like a blimp typoe deal. Like they have kind of like a fan.
WHAT WERE THE WEATHER CONDITIONS? YOU SAID IT WAS COLD.
Cold. It was clear.
NO CLOUD COVER?
No you could see the stars. It was probably 18-20 degrees. It was cold out.
WERE YOU A ONE MAN UNIT?
ANYBODY ELSE FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT SEE IT?
No. Nobody's up at that time.
HEY, YOU LOOK FOR THAT PUPPY TONIGHT.
Oh, I will. I will definitely be keeping my eye toward the sky from now on. That was wild.
I SURE WOULD LIKE TO GET MY HANDS ON THAT THING.
You'd have to bring a lot of help as big as that thing was.
DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE LEBANON OFFICER THAT WENT OUT AND SAW IT.
Yeah. Officer _________Want their phone number?
YEAH, IF YOU HAVE IT.
I've got highland PD's number too. They are the ones who got the original call.
YEAH, I'VE GOT HIGHLAND'S NUMBER
And the guy who called it in was___________. He' a business owner out there in Highland.
DID YOU WRITE UP A REPORT?
Not an official department report. I did one just on my own on wordperfect when I got back in here. If the chief will let me I will give you a copy of that too.
I'll fax it to you right now.
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