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WITNESS #8 TESTIMONY
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR NARRATIVE.
Anyway, I live in Lake Forest, Illinois.
LAKE FOREST, ILLINOIS? OKAY.
Which is about 30 miles straight north of Chicago. It's far northeast Illinois.
OKAY. SO, THAT'S FAR NORTHEAST ILLINOIS?
It's in the north suburbs of Chicago. I'm a 36 year-old guy with a wife and three kids, and never reported any UFO sightings, seen them…
YOU'VE NEVER SEEN A UFO BEFORE?
Nope. Never read a book on them. You know, I'm like anybody. I'm interested in it, but I haven't…I've never been fanatical about it or paid much attention to it other than maybe catching the end of a Discovery show as I'm channel-surfing or something.
Anyway, on Tuesday, January 4th—I think it was around 10:30 at night—10:30 PM…
TUESDAY, JANUARY 4TH? NOW, ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THE…
I'm sure about the day.
The time was anywhere between 10:00 and 10:30, I think. I was leaving to go out of town for two days and I was just taking trash out, is what I was doing.
THIS WAS AT NIGHT?
And, I walked up my driveway, and the sky was clear and, you know, stars were out. We can see planes from our house in a pattern going into O'Hare, and occasionally one…when one's going north it will fly over the house, but you know, by the time they leave O'Hare, which is, you know, 30 miles from my house, they're pretty high when they come over my house. Anyway, I happened to look to the northeast, and I…my reaction was, 'Whoa!', because what I thought was…looked like a 747, but way too low…coming you know, kind of just directly towards me from the northeast.
SO IT WAS COMING DIRECTLY TOWARDS YOU FROM THE NORTHEAST?
From the northeast heading southwest.
OKAY, SO IT WAS SOUTHWEST—HEADING SOUTHWEST FROM NORTHEAST. OKAY.
And, it was very bright, it seemed very big and way too low, and I guess that's what startled me initially.
SO IT WAS ONE OBJECT?
OKAY. NOW, WHEN YOU SAY IT WAS COMING TOWARDS YOU, DID IT ACTUALLY FLY OVER YOU?
Yeah. Yeah…I didn't…I read the articles is how I found you, and saw the policeman report it as being .. feet high. I never got any kind of depth perception. It almost went straight over me. But, as it got above me, I looked up, and you expect to see what you're seeing the rest of your life, and what it looked like to me was more triangular.
IT WAS A TRIANGULAR? WAS IT…?
Almost…almost…almost V-shaped, but the whole bottom was lit up.
ALMOST V-SHAPED? OKAY. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE B-2?
Yeah. Absolutely. I've seen it at Air Shows.
OKAY. HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE THIS TO THE B-2?
Much bigger, much quieter, much slower, but much, much bigger.
LIKE HOW MUCH BIGGER? I MEAN IF YOU…
I don't know. I described it to people as…to my wife the next morning—it was as big as our house, but it looked bigger than a…much bigger than a 747.
OKAY. BIGGER THAN A 747.
Yeah, like I saw…the policeman said it was 100 yards long. I don't know that I would say it was that big, but 80 yards.
80 YARDS LONG?
80 YARDS LONG. OKAY.
So, it…you know, it flew…it was above me—I was looking up kind of in astonishment. I lost sight of it because of my garage. I ran around the other side of the garage so I could see it through my backyard, and my total time watching it was maybe a minute, because there…I'm in kind of a wooded area, and I just lost view of it. But…
ONE MINUTE. SO, YOU LOST SIGHT OF IT BEHIND YOUR GARAGE?
Well, you know, and so I ran near the side of my garage, and I could see it again, and I saw it until I lost it because of the trees that are at the end of my backyard. So I described it…
WHAT SPEED WOULD YOU SAY IT WAS GOING, ROUGHLY?
The thought, as it was flying over was, 'How can it go so slow?' That real…I would say maybe…
IF YOU SEE AN AIRLINER GOING OVER AT ROUGHLY THE SAME HEIGHT…
THE AIRLINER IS MUCH FASTER?
Yeah. Like twice as fast. This would probably be half as slow as you'd expect to see a jet fly over.
OKAY, HALF AS SLOW AS AN AIRLINER. AND, WHAT ABOUT SOUND?
I don't remember hearing anything.
HAVE YOU ANY ESTIMATE—THIS IS ALWAYS A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ASK AT NIGHT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATE OF ALTITUDE?
I guessed it was a couple thousand feet in the air.
OKAY, AND THE DISTANCE, OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT WENT RIGHT OVER YOU WOULD BE—IF YOU SAY IT'S 2,000 FEET WOULD BE 2,000 FEET DISTANCE TOO?
NOW LIGHTS—YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE BRIGHT LIGHTS?
There were multiple bright lights. The whole entire bottom of it was lit up.
THE ENTIRE BOTTOM, SO…
The entire bottom was very bright.
WERE THESE SEPARATE LIGHTS, OR WAS IT JUST THE ENTIRE…
It looked like separate lights.
ENTIRE BOTTOM VERY BRIGHT, SO SEPARATE LIGHTS. [WRITING DOWN INFORMATION.] DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY—HOW MANY LIGHTS?
OH. 500 DIFFERENT LIGHTS?
That's a little foggier to guess.
But, the way I recall it is…you know, lights spaced evenly across the entire thing.
OKAY. YOU DIDN'T BY ANY CHANCE HAVE A VIDEO CAMERA HANDY OR ANYTHING?
Uh-uh. It was nearby—it didn't cross my mind, unfortunately.
IF YOU WERE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A VEHICLE , OR A LIGHTFORM ONLY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
A VEHICLE. OKAY.
No, there was mass to it. It wasn't just lights. I went in—my wife was already asleep. I went to bed. I woke in the morning. I told her probably in less detail than I told you, and went to work and thought about it, but never said anything to anybody else about it until I saw an article in the paper about those policemen down-state. And then I went to my wife and I said, 'Look, it's in the paper. That's what I saw.' I was glad I had told her. I would say it was a little more credible having told somebody before it was in the paper. I called the town of Lake Forest, and told them what I saw and asked if anybody else reported it and they kind of gave me the little green men shuffle. And federal…I'm not saying I know where it's from. I was just wondering if anybody else saw what I saw. And then…
SO YOU CALLED THE LOCAL WHAT? WAS IT THE LOCAL MEDIA?
I called the police department in Lake Forest. There's been nothing in the local 'Lake Forester' newspaper. A lady who works for me is moving to Las Vegas, and happened to be on lasvegas.com, and saw the article with your phone number in it.
That's why I called.
GOOD. WHAT IS YOUR OCCUPATION?
I own a commercial real estate investment company called '______________'.
IF I COULD HAVE YOUR ADDRESS, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS MAYBE MAIL YOU OUT A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE FOUND SO FAR.
Sure. I'd love it. My address is ________________________________Lake Forest, IL _______.
[CONVERSATION RE: E-MAIL ADDRESS]
You could send it at work. I own the business though. They don't think I'm crazy. Even if they do I still pay them. [PERSONAL E-MAIL INFORMATION]
GOOD. NOW I WANTED TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT—WAS THERE ANY CONTRAIL OR TRACES BEHIND THIS CRAFT AS IT WENT OVER?
SO, YOU DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL FROM AN ELECTROMAGNETIC POINT OF VIEW? DID YOU—DID THE LIGHTS IN YOUR HOUSE DIM AS IT WENT OVER, DID…
I don't think so. I was outside. Everybody else was asleep in the house, but I didn't notice anything like that.
NOW WHAT ABOUT…HOW DID IT AFFECT YOU AS YOU SAW IT? DID YOU FEEL SCARED, OR DID YOU FEEL…?
The word that came to mind immediately was it was very surreal. It was…I was absolutely in awe of…you know, not that 36 is old, but you kind of think at 36 you've seen most of the stuff you're going to see. It was just very bright, it was very strange to see, and it was just a very surreal experience. I wasn't scared.
THAT'S GOOD. IT PASSED OVERHEAD—YOU SAID IT WAS CLEAR. THERE WAS NO CLOUDS AT ALL?
None. Bright, real clear, starry night.
DID IT CHANGE IT'S DIRECTION AT ALL, OR WAS IT GOING…?
It headed straight southwest. A little more south—I call it south southwest.
STRAIGHT SOUTH SOUTHWEST.
That's what I thought was interesting when I pulled the map out, when I read the…to see where that…where it was the police officers saw it. If it didn't change course, and if it was the same thing, that's right where it was…the direction it was pointed in.
SO IT WAS HEADING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS THAT AREA?
Towards St. Louis.
HOWEVER, IT WAS ON A DIFFERENT NIGHT. OH, IT WAS TUESDAY, JANUARY THE 4TH—THAT'S RIGHT IT WAS THE…
It was about six hours earlier.
SIX HOURS EARLIER. OKAY. YEAH.
It was about how long it would take me to drive there.
SO YOU'RE ABOUT SIX HOURS NORTH?
NORTHEAST. OKAY. THAT'S…I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS ON THE MAP. SO, IT WAS…THE ACTUAL LOCATION WAS LAKE FOREST, ILLINOIS?
Right. Which is…you know, Lake Forest is an affluent, north suburb on the Lake…on Lake Michigan. I don't live right on the Lake, but in northern Illinois.
WITH YOU…WERE THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES?
ANY ANIMALS IN THE AREA? DO YOU HAVE A DOG, FOR EXAMPLE?
I don't have a dog.
OR, DO NEIGHBORS HAVE DOGS, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? DO YOU…?
My next door neighbor has a dog. I even talk to them about…
YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANY UNUSUAL REACTIONS, LIKE…YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THESE ANIMALS HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO HOWL, OR REACT UNUSUALLY.
Don't remember it if it happened.
WELL, THIS HAS BEEN REALLY USEFUL. WOULD YOU MIND IF WE CALLED YOU BACK WITH ANOTHER INVESTIGATOR IF WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
I'm intrigued by it. I'd love to know what kind of results you guys get, so…and if I can help I'd be glad to help.
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