[My name is Vicki, I'm 20-something and new
volunteer at ATMV. I thought it would be interesting to interview
Mike Gabbard, our president, especially in this first edition
of the ATMV News. Quite frankly, I was amazed at how little
I knew about this issue until I started hanging out with Mr.
Gabbard, reading SPH newsletters, and looking at videos in
the ATMV office. My opinions, like many people in my generation,
were shaped by newspapers, magazines, and MTV. I'm appalled
at how homosexual activists are trying to change society,
but simultaneously saddened by those who are trapped in this
What is Alliance for Traditional Marriage and Values?
Homosexuality America (ATMV) is an international, interfaith
coalition of religious leaders, organizations and individuals
who oppose the promotion and acceptance of homosexuality as
a normal, healthy, alternative lifestyle. It's important to
understand the interfaith aspect, because in addition to Christians,
we have supporters who are Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist, who
see the importance of our efforts and therefore provide us
with financial, volunteer, and crucial grass-roots help.
we get calls from people who refuse to work with others because
they have a different religious persuasion. My standard answer
is: We're in the middle of a culture war and you're asking
whether this person is a Christian or not? We need every hand
we can get. When the battle's over, then if you want, you'll
have the luxury to sit down and argue theology.
is the purpose of ATMV?
purpose is to inform people about the homosexual movement
and its impact on individuals, families and society.
because there's an organized effort, not only in America,
but internationally, to normalize homosexuality. This is being
done by homosexual activists and their supporters in the media,
the entertainment industry, politics, some mainline churches,
and businesses. We formed ATMV to expose the homosexual agenda
and their counterfeit "gay" civil rights movement. We see
the homosexual movement, sometimes referred to as "gay liberation",
as a political force who's ultimate goal is to have society
accept homosexuality on an equal basis as heterosexuality.
We think that would be a tragic mistake. Homosexual behavior
is unhealthy, abnormal behavior that should not be promoted
or accepted in society. As the "gay liberation" juggernaut
continues to gather momentum, ATMV will be there to counter
the "pro-gay" propaganda with documented facts and statistics.
As a good
friend of mine once said, "Facts don't lie, they just exist."
Our position is: let's present the facts about this issue
and let the people decide for themselves whether or not they
think homosexuality is something we want to encourage and
promote in society.
are some of the objectives of ATMV?
- To encourage
people from all walks to become well-informed and actively
involved in helping prevent societal acceptance of homosexuality.
- To monitor
media, legislation and judicial activity concerning issues
related to homosexuality.
- To challenge
and refute propaganda that promotes homosexuality as a healthy,
normal, alternative lifestyle.
- To obtain
reputable research and studies on the individual and societal
effects of the homosexual movement.
- To disseminate
information via radio, TV and printed materials about the
physically, psychologically and spiritually harmful effects
of engaging in homosexual behavior.
has been around for thousands of years. How do you realistically
plan to stop it?
Stop Homosexuality International, it's Stop Promoting Homosexuality.
Obviously, some people will always choose to engage in homosexual
behavior. That's their business. What we're saying is: for
the common good, for the overall welfare of society, homosexuality,
an aberrant sexual behavior, should not be promoted or accepted
in society as normal and natural.
homosexuality being promoted?
either been living in a cave or you don't read the papers,
watch TV or go to the movies. We are in the midst of a full-on
assault by homosexual activists and their supporters who are
trying to force their own misguided value system down our
throats. Anyone who has deeply held religious or moral beliefs
against homosexuality are ridiculed, ostracized, and branded
as homophobic hatemongers.
there are about 30 openly homosexual characters on TV sitcoms,
and dramas. Hollywood has gone berserk in its campaign to
include homosexuals in many of its movies. And the interesting
thing is that very seldom do you ever see "gays" in TV or
on film portrayed as anything but the good guys. It's the
heterosexuals that have screwed up relationships, who bumble
along in life as closed-minded unenlightened bigots, and the
"gays"-- well, they're the wise sages who seem to always have
it together, and who ride in on their white stallions to save
the schools. In America, colleges and universities have become
breeding ground for "gay" student activist groups, "queer
studies" programs and pro-homosexual faculty who do everything
in their power to push their propaganda at unsuspecting students.
The public school systems have been infiltrated by homosexual
activists under the guise of "AIDS educators" who indoctrinate
our children into thinking that homosexuality is a normal
variant of human sexuality. They've formed "gay-straight alliance"
clubs in high schools where they recruit heterosexual students
as allies in their mission to normalize homosexuality. They've
got "Gay Pride Months" in some school districts where they
celebrate so-called famous homosexuals throughout history.
They're even going after our kindergarteners and first-graders
with "pro-gay" curricula and children's books such as "Heather
Has Two Mommies" and "Daddy's Wedding", depicting two men
kissing, getting married and living happily ever after.
you've got the gullible politicians who have been hoodwinked
into thinking that they "gay liberation" movement is no different
than the black civil rights movement in America. I mean you've
got Martin Luther King's wife, Correta, marching in Gay Pride
Parades! Unfortunately, they've made the mistake of equating
an immutable characteristic like race or ethnicity, with an
aberrant sexual behavior (homosexuality). These same politicians
are the ones pushing for sexual orientation laws, domestic
partnerships, and legalizing same-sex "marriages."
have jumped on the "gay" bandwagon by offering benefits to
same-sex couples equating their relationships to those of
but certainly not least, are the churches. Some of the mainline
Protestant churches are simply abandoning revealed scripture,
and kowtowing to homosexual activists who want to be ordained
as ministers, or who want their unions blessed in church.
go on, but that's fairly good summary.
why homosexuals? Why don't you have Stop Promoting Adultery,
or domestic violence, or child abuse? Seems like there are
so many other more pressing problems?
the adulterers, child molesters, or wife-beaters were to organize
themselves into a powerful national lobby spending millions
of dollars to promote their behavior as normal and natural,
then sure, I would consider it my civic duty to get involved
and try to stop their efforts.
not about protesting tow guys holding hands sitting on a park
bench. What we're talking about here is an attack on moral
guidelines that have been in place for thousands of years,
not only in America, but worldwide. As I've said many times
before, we are not the aggressors in this battle. We are simply
trying to defend a specific moral code laid down by God in
revealed scripture for our benefit.
these are public policy issues, and everyone has a right to
voice their opinion and get involved in the debate. People
should not be intimidated by homosexual activists and their
accusations of hatemongering and homophobia.
about compassion for homosexuals?
We are all
God's children. Those who engage in homosexual activity warrant
the respect and compassion that all people deserve. But real
compassion is not shown by pretending that homosexual behavior
is normal and healthy. We aren't expected to relate to alcoholics
by glorifying their alcoholism or to drug addicts by celebrating
their addiction. It's not compassionate to encourage people
to take pride in behavior that is destroying themselves and
What about homosexual activists having compassion for teenagers
who may experience homosexual feelings, some may even engage
in homosexual behavior. Do you think it's compassionate to
tell these kids that they're "born that way and can't change"?
change their sexual orientation?
course. The bottom line is: We don't accept the fictitious
homosexual or gay identity. Homosexuality is a behavior, not
an identity. In other words, there is no such thing as a homosexual
or "gay". Historically, the word "homosexual" didn't exist
until the mid 1800s, and when it was originally coined it
referred to "homosexual attractions" not an entity or person
known as a "homosexual." These labels are simply political
constructs created by homosexual activists to achieve their
goal of societal acceptance. Our position is this: Humans
are born heterosexuals. It's simple, just check the plumbing.
The vast majority of us have sexual desires for the opposite
sex, while a small minority have homosexual, bi-sexual, or
omnisexual desires. Then you've got some people who have sexual
desires for children, animals, dead bodies, or whatever.
we're dealing with here are tendencies, desires, feelings,
urges, and behaviors, not personal identity. The major question
to consider is: Can a person control their sexual desires
and urges? Obviously, the answer is yes. A married man meets
an attractive flirtatious woman in the supermarket who says,
"Come home with me." Whether he turns her offer down because
he's afraid he'll get AIDS, or whether he's motivated out
of love for his wife, the fact is: he said no to that sexual
urge. He controlled his mind.
for those who experience the urge for sexual activity with
someone of the same sex, it's possible to overcome those sexual
desires, no matter how powerful they may be. It is possible
to redirect or rechannel that sexual energy in a different
sexual craving, regardless of one's so-called sexual orientation,
is a spiritual problem. Because we are by our very nature,
active, loving spiritual beings, we crave love--we want to
love someone and we want to be loved. Because this is a spiritual
craving, it cannot be satisfied in the material dimension.
The only person who can satisfy this craving is the Supreme
Lord, our dear Father, our dear Master and Friend.
why Lord Jesus Christ commands us to love God with all our
hear, mind and being. Actually, if you read the Koran, the
Vedas, the Torah--the message is the same: place your love,
first and foremost on God. He is the only source of real happiness,
real fulfillment, real love.
So, to answer
your question, yes a person can change. A person can walk
away from homosexuality if they are repentant, sincere, and
determined. For many, it's a very difficult path. But thousands
have successfully left the "gay" lifestyle.
some excellent "ex-gay" organizations out there such as Exodus,
Courage, and Homosexuals Anonymous, made up of former homosexuals--both
men and women--who are actively helping those who struggle
with homosexual desires. In addition, the National Association
of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), a group
of dedicated psychologists and psychiatrists has a remarkable
success record in helping people who experience homosexual
tendencies or urges to overcome those desires.
anything else you want to add?
a major point that needs to be covered is the fact that churches
have, for the most part, done a miserable job of dealing with
the issue of homosexuality. Historically, the clergy have
been long on condemnation, and short on wisdom and compassion
in dealing with those struggling with homosexual desires.
friend of mine, Bob, told me that when he was a teenager he
confided in his pastor about his homosexual feelings. The
pastor, supposedly God's representative, condemned him, told
him he was going to hell, and basically kicked him out of
the church. Heartbroken and rejected, he sought advice from
his parents, who did the same thing.
interesting thing he told me was that while growing up, although
he didn't engage in homosexual behavior, he did learn what
some of those activities were and he was completely disgusted
that anyone would ever engage in anal sex, rimming, fisting,
golden showers, etc. He said he could never figure out how
or why someone would do such filthy, dirty things with their
after being rejected, he left his rural home, went to a large
city, entered a "gay" bar for the first time ever, and everyone
there welcomed him with open arms. He felt accepted, respected,
wanted and loved. Still, when he started having his first
homosexual encounters, deep down in the core of his heart,
he felt dirty and disgusted with himself.
after he went to his first "gay" bar, he found himself living
in the Castro district in San Francisco, and regularly going
to "bathhouses" where he engaged in all of the activities
mentioned above, and more. He said he also felt miserable,
and dirty during this time of his life. Soon thereafter he
tested positive for HIV, and he now has a full-blown AIDS.
points to consider: First of all, driven by lust, Bob started
engaging in homosexual behavior, and he experienced distaste
and a feeling of dirtiness. Even after moving to San Francisco,
this feeling of inner-pollution continued. What the "gay liberation"
movement offered him, though, was affirmation, "love", and
a sense of community, and happiness. Even with all this external
"gay pride-don't worry, be happy" stuff he was getting from
his new "gay" friends, still he was feeling great unhappiness
and despondency within.
it's obvious his parents and pastor were acting our of ignorance;
spiritual teachers and guides, we must offer those struggling
with homosexuality, the opportunity to be happy again--real
happiness. We must teach them about the opportunity to be
purified by God's love--that if they beg forgiveness from
Him, are sincerely repentant, have faith in Him call upon
His Name, and give up their previous sinful activities, they
will experience actual happiness. If they give up being slaves
to their mind's desires, and do God's will, instead of their
own, they will be free. Eventually as their love for the Supreme
Lord grows, they will be able to embrace Him, heart to heart.
just because a person experiences temptations does not mean
they are impure. Rather, the more we surrender to God, then
the stronger we become spiritually so that when those temptations
do arise, because we have experienced the security of God's
protection, we will know where to go for real shelter.
those people who have homosexual desires must be given a choice--do
they want to be embraced by God and His servants, or by the
homosexual activists? Do they want the happiness offered by
God, or the pseudo-happiness offered by the homosexual activists?
very much for your time Mr. G.