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spg18twoj
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posted 09-15-2001 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spg18twoj   Click Here to Email spg18twoj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was disgusted to read earlier that the use of the word 'War' has been removed from the Eurpoean Union's decleration of support for the US, it was replaced with 'Barbarism'.

Sounds like they're scared of the terrorists already.

France and Germany are already talking about only supplying 'medical' support or 'logistical' support, Norway wants nothing to do with it (They are full of Arab sympathisers).

Sounds like the so-called Mighty NATO is showing is true fragmented self once again, guess the Euro's can't be counted on for anything when the shit hits the fan. How Apalling.

Don't worry though, the Commonwealth Countries won't waver!

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Mr_Worth
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posted 09-15-2001 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr_Worth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You stupid ignorant!!!!

We are not afraid of terrorism !!!

But we do not want to go on war because you were hit by that tragedy.

Also you are melting Arab and those bastards together. They are not the same damn it ! Thoses bastards are just a minority in the arab community and doesnot reflect it.

WE DO HAVE TERRORISM IN OUR COUNTRIES LONG BEFORE YOU, SO DON'T TELL US WHAT IS THE RIGHT COURSE OF REACTION WE SHOULD HAVE !!

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What's_in_a_name
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posted 09-15-2001 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for What's_in_a_name     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you think that the US is anything but alone in this you are kidding yourself. The other NATO countries do not want anything to do with these terrorists and are happy that the US is at the eye of their storm as that means that they avoid the real hits. One thing is for sure, we will know when this is over who our real friends are.

As for France, they gave safe haven to the terrorists during the 80's in exchange for immunity to being targeted. That is why US F-111's had to avoid using French airspace when the US attacked Lybia.

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Mr_Worth
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posted 09-15-2001 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr_Worth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by What's_in_a_name:
If you think that the US is anything but alone in this you are kidding yourself. The other NATO countries do not want anything to do with these terrorists and are happy that the US is at the eye of their storm as that means that they avoid the real hits. One thing is for sure, we will know when this is over who our real friends are.

Where were you in 1991, when 3 bombs exploded in our underground ? I did not remember you had helped us. So Keep your stupid lesson for yourselves. We are not going on war because some warmongers want to.

I said and repeat that military strike is not the answer to terrorism.

You military might is helpless in this kind of situation. You are not fighting a country but an internationnal organization.

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Soreyes
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posted 09-15-2001 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soreyes   Click Here to Email Soreyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course NATO is not going to say WAR. As of now we dont know who the Bad guys are.All we have is some very deep suspisions.

Mr_Worth: As an American who was in London at the time of the Bombing I can understand your Passion. This is a first here in America. I have said this on a other post. At this time in America Doves are becoming Hawks.

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Tantalus
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posted 09-15-2001 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tantalus   Click Here to Email Tantalus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where America goes...Britain will surely follow. We are your strongest allies, and as Prime Minister Blair said..we stand by our friends the Americans.

Do not turn this thread into an anti-European thread. Enough pain has been inflicted upon the world, there is no need for this.

America has NATO's FULL support. Even America's enemies are appalled and have agreed to stay out of the way.

God Bless America - And Britain

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Ufo
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posted 09-15-2001 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ufo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://216.203.248.212/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014496.html Please read
WE ARE NOT BACKING DOWN

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EE
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posted 09-15-2001 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EE   Click Here to Email EE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I hope we are all in this together, I hope Europe doesnt back out, I hope that no one does, This is hopefully going to be fought on ALL FRONTS. We, America needs to help stop terrorism in Europe, Ireland and anywhere else it happens. Its going to take alot of time and blood but its a war we can win, if everyone works together and doesnt back down. I hope Nato and America's allies stays in this fight to the end, if the International community fights back then we can beat this international threat but if one country backs down then this will lower our chances of winning. We cannot show them any mercy, we must hit them fast, hard and without remorse. Together we can do this.


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SirWillem
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posted 09-15-2001 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SirWillem   Click Here to Email SirWillem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Sigh*

After bashing Afghanistan, the Palestines and Europe who will be next?

Personally, I'd bash the CIA/FBI for a total failure, instead of bashing Europe. Europe STILL backs you, but they will NOT help in mass-destruction.

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foofighters
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posted 09-15-2001 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for foofighters   Click Here to Email foofighters     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what needs to be done is the country that is narbouring these people only has to cut off there money, electricity, telephone lines, mobile phone masts/ maybe food.. but they will not do this or turn them over. all the countries in the wrold need to unite to get rid of these people once and for a good and if this means a one world power then so be it

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spg18twoj
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posted 09-15-2001 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spg18twoj   Click Here to Email spg18twoj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To Mr_Worth

I am not ignorant, not in the least.

I see no distinction between Arab
terrorists and Arabs, they are one and
the same, Arabs are brought up hating
the west and all it stands for.

They despise us, They hate and revile
us, deep down inside they rage to
inflict death and misery upon all the
Western peoples of the world.

I should know, I've had a lot of dealings with people of middle east background. They hate us with every fibre of their being, even the ones who work here in the West.

I hope the news report my original post was based on is wrong, I really do.. but newspapers here are carrying stories of European reluctance and back peddaling...
Something I find incredbibly saddening...

quote:
Originally posted by Mr_Worth:
You stupid ignorant!!!!

[b]We are not afraid of terrorism !!!

But we do not want to go on war because you were hit by that tragedy.

Also you are melting Arab and those bastards together. They are not the same damn it ! Thoses bastards are just a minority in the arab community and doesnot reflect it.

WE DO HAVE TERRORISM IN OUR COUNTRIES LONG BEFORE YOU, SO DON'T TELL US WHAT IS THE RIGHT COURSE OF REACTION WE SHOULD HAVE !!

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Sfaret
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posted 09-15-2001 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sfaret   Click Here to Email Sfaret     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sir William,

I seem to recall in history class two different cases where European nations where in an aweful mess. The world was collapsing around them and they did not know where to turn. I recall the US arrived with MASSIVE amounts of help and managed to keep the terror from destorying Europe. But then a Guess WWI and WWII mean nothing to the Europenas like yourself.

This IS a war! A war that the world as a whole msut fight. Do we allow small groups to kill our people? Do we allow this thing to continue. Or do we make a stand finally. How can we make a distinction between a country and a terrorist group if the country FREELY harbors them. The term used in the old days by Europena nations was privateer.

Yes sir the British, Frenc, and many others used Terrorist at one time themselves. And even then when a Privateer group was to successful it was NORMAL to declare war on the nation that harbored them! So why not now?

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crimnick
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posted 09-15-2001 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crimnick   Click Here to Email crimnick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make NO mistake.....its WAR.....ever heard of BRITISH PETROLIUM? your rigs are all over the middle east...also france has MUCHO money tied up there....the Arab TERRORISTS are getting the full treatment pal...and they wont make any distinction between the US and the EU when the shit hits the fan....dont worry the yanks wont let YOU down when these freaks start in in you in earnest...NOTHING the EU has experianced from terror groups even comes close to the events of 9/11/01...nothing...if the IRA had done something of this magnetude the brits would ALLREADY be bombing them.

We arent going to put a godamn camera on every corner...take every bodies guns away, fortify ourselves and hide our heads in the sand....no ,we are going to take the fight right to em and blow their damn heads off

Even if I have to take my 38yr old father of three ass over there and start capping these freaks myself

ANY country that isnt with us is against us....read ANY...what part of any dont you understand?

The brits once had the brass balls to take over most of the known world,and fight the Nazis without waver....where are these balls now?

We didnt want war with japan...we didnt want war with the axis powers....we dont want war today.....but it WILL happen make NO mistake about it.

This may seem harsh but IMHO You tarnish the XC uniform with your statments when so many XC members are US military...if it were me I'd strip you of rank for these comments....your not fit to fly Klink...you dont have the stomach for it appearently.

I apologize to all you brits and others if you think I'm bashing the EU....I'm not...I'm bashing spinless jelly fish who dont have the balls to do what it takes...and just like beating the nazis...what it takes is WAR.

I sincerly hope you rethink your statments Mr worth.

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S'sslathosss
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posted 09-15-2001 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for S'sslathosss   Click Here to Email S'sslathosss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im getting sick of this Anti European Crap coming from some Americans i heard enough of it on Gamespy now im seeing it rear its face here? If this is the case then im not going to bother with these forums or playing sfc2 anymore as im sick of it. And as for being scared of terrorism??? The Uk has had to deal with it for almost 30 years with the Ira Bombing Buildings and Car Bombings as well as other countrys thro out europe.
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5of12
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posted 09-15-2001 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5of12   Click Here to Email 5of12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spg18twoj:
I am not ignorant, not in the least.

I see no distinction between Arab
terrorists and Arabs, they are one and
the same, Arabs are brought up hating
the west and all it stands for.


you're not only ignorant you're a FUCKING RACIST

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Ward_XC
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posted 09-15-2001 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ward_XC   Click Here to Email Ward_XC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The British were the first to declare war on Germany in WWII. Declared war on a nation many times our resources and capability. How's that for brass balls? True, we may not have had anything to rival Tuesdays scale from terrorist, but remember the Blitz?.

Please remember, that the IRA has been in existance for little over 100 years. They wrote the book on international terrorism and have links to may other organistations abroad such and the PLA, Cambodian drug lords, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, etc.

Over this time, the IRA has managed to kill 300,000 civillians and soldiers of England and Ireland. Our security is the envy of the world, yet the terrorists still get through and deal death.

At one time, a single tour of duty in North Ireland would turn a raw recruit into a battle hardened marine. The British army is highly trained and motivated, so is America's because we TRAIN them.

When you go in, I only ask that you save some for us. Afterall we lost 500 hundred British citizens in the WTC and on the planes.

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spg18twoj
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posted 09-15-2001 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spg18twoj   Click Here to Email spg18twoj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 5of12:
you're not only ignorant you're a FUCKING RACIST

Perhaps...

The last few years have somewhat tarnished
my views of the people of the middle east.
Violence in our schools where they are
introduced, the mass Gang rapes in Sydney
of white women by Muslim gangs (about 70
at last count according the Sydney Morning
Herals) and of course the events
of the last few days.

Yet we are not allowed to say anything
about this because we will be called
'racist'.

They (Arabs/Lebs etc) are brought up to
hate Anglos and
other races (Anglos most of all),
their society is backward and primitive
and would not even be able to feed itself
if not for Western Aid and oil money.

So, if those views make me a racist then
so be it.

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Soreyes
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posted 09-15-2001 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soreyes   Click Here to Email Soreyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said WARD_XC

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3dot14
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posted 09-15-2001 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3dot14   Click Here to Email 3dot14     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's be rational about this.

Really, you americans cannot expect any substantial support from the rest of the world. (maybe except Britain.) By substaintial I mean a suport that's more than words.

the World is driven by self-interest, and the European nations have no interest in this particular conflict. They are expected to be the moderates.
They hav eto denouce such an act, it is both good policy and prevention agaisnt any terrorism within. But I truly wonder why on the earth would they go and fight another person's war? War is bound to have casualties. and What possible incentive can a nation ahve to send its people tot he front for a cause not their own? Actually, it doesn't even have to be the front. If the conflict breaks, they all will have terrorism retailiations of thier own to deal with.

Sure allies will stand by each other. But when the fight comes, I seriously doubt that anyone but the US (maybe UK) will drew the sword.

This is not a war against terrorism.
This is a war to avenge the americans.

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posted 09-15-2001 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grymm2   Click Here to Email Grymm2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, first, I speak as a former military member who has lived several years in the Middle East and Europe. I am also British on my mother's side. I am an American and a Patriot.

In every country, there will be those people who, regardless of what happens in the world, want nothing to do with war. It is understandable, given the horror that war is.

But, there are many issues here.

1-The CIA didn't drop the ball. The Clinton administration cut funding not only to the military, but to intelligence agencies. Blame the liberals for this one. The U.S. was prosperous at the expense of becoming blind with a hollow military.

2-NATO has enacted the Washington treaty, which states "an attack on one NATO member, is an attack on all NATO members." By law, all NATO members are compelled to support. But that support doesn't necessarily mean helping in a military offensive. But, you can be damn sure that countries such as Norway will see U.S. funds dissappear, if any at all come into that country.

3-France has never really had much of a military and Germany taking part makes me kind of nervous given that countries history (world war II). Them giving medical support would go a long way to helping the effort, given they are some of the best medical specialists in the world.

4-Arab-bashing is going to happen. It is unfortunate, but we have to face it. After what happened in New York and DC, people are trying to find a way to vent. There is no excuse, but it is going to happen, much as Jap-bashing was the mainstay during WWII.

5-Not all Arabs are brought up hating the U.S., though it does happen. I was disgusted to see Palastinians on the West Bank dancing in the street. In that case, I hope those people die a horrible and miserable death at the hands of Israel. I have no sympathy for a people who the U.S. has been trying to see get a home where they can live in peace.

The previous is the hard "let's face it" facts. Now, my opinion.

1-To all the countries of the world, it's time to choose sides. You're either with the U.S., or with the Terrorists. If you don't take part, then get the hell out of the way or we'll plow right through you.

2-We shouldn't stop with Afghanistan. We should attack and eliminate any country, ANY country that supports Terrorism.

3-We should make THEM fear. Attack with such ferocity and such a disproportionate response that a country will think twice before supporting terrorism

4-We should consider the Nuclear option. Many Americans don't want their son or daughter to end up face down in the trenches of Afghanistan. A single tactical nuclear weapon would be sufficient to wipe out Kabul. That message would be enough.

5-We (America) should do like the terrorists. Disregard the possibility of civilian casualties. This is war. Period. If you don't want to get hurt, get out or join our side. You can't win a war if you're worried a couple of civilians are going to die. The terrorists didn't, and we have almost 5000 dead because of it. Sometimes, you must become as your enemy in order to defeat your enemy.

6-Repeal the "no assassination" law. Let's send our best assassins out there and get rid of Bin Ladin, Hussein, Khaddafi, and all the others who support terrorism. We need to show the world that we are America. We are everywhere. You cannot run, you cannot hide. We will find you and we will kill you.

For so long, America has given without the want to recieve in return. My taxes go to the billions of dollars in relief we give to so many countries around the world, it's ridiculous. Our military is supporting peace-keeping operations in almost a dozen countries. And in many cases, this is at the expense of the welfare of our own people.

So the question I pose is...When is it our turn? Now, America is in need. America needs help. What countries are willing to step up and say "whatever America needs, we will be there". Britain is the first, as always. Who will be there for us in our hour of need.

And to the terrorists, may the gods have mercy on your soul, because we will not.

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posted 09-15-2001 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AdmiralFrey_XC   Click Here to Email AdmiralFrey_XC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright.

I am putting my foot down.

XC members - I sent out an email recently urging everyone to use compassion and reason in posting on any forums.

Some of the replies here are very offensive to me.

So, all XC - from here on out you guys need to re read what you are posting, and correct it if it violates Taldrens etiquette as well as XC ROC.

This is a time to show the world America is a land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE, and it certainly takes bravery to look past that which seems obvious for the truth.

Don't fall low, XC, stay on the high ground.

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GT-Keravnos
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posted 09-15-2001 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GT-Keravnos   Click Here to Email GT-Keravnos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We Greeks have been your allies in both world wars as well as Korea, D-Storm, and all others.

I really don't see us backing down and out any time soon.

Serving in the Airforce, I can honestly tell you that we are on full combat readiness, just one notch down from being on "War".

Why are we being judged and criticized on something we didn't even do yet?

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posted 09-15-2001 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3dot14   Click Here to Email 3dot14     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GT-Keravnos:
Why are we being judged and criticized on something we didn't even do yet?


My dear sir, that's the nature of public relations...

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SirWillem
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posted 09-15-2001 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SirWillem   Click Here to Email SirWillem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

I seem to recall in history class two different cases where European nations where in an aweful mess. The world was collapsing around them and they did not know where to turn. I recall the US arrived with MASSIVE amounts of help and managed to keep the terror from destorying Europe. But then a Guess WWI and WWII mean nothing to the Europenas like yourself.

Please, I'm tired of that.

How far do you want me to go in history? Without Europe there wouldn't even have BEEN a USA!

I am NOT saying that Europe shouldn't help the USA in punishing those terrorists. But I am saying that we should NOT allow mass-destruction.

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posted 09-15-2001 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Joker666   Click Here to Email The Joker666     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm American. Question...why does it matter if European countries lend military support or not? Logistical and economic things are just as important. The US doesn't need the help of anyone to take care of this, she just needs the go ahead.

Don't forget, if The United Kingdom, France, Germany, etc... say "Go get 'em boys, the bastards that did this deserve it", then that IS support. Sheesh.

Also, don't forget that the Brits and French had been fighting the Nazis for a couple of years before we joined WW2 with any thing except economic type aid, so figure they got until 2003 to do the same.

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posted 09-15-2001 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Khoros   Click Here to Email Khoros     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SirWillem:
*Sigh*

After bashing Afghanistan, the Palestines and Europe who will be next?

Personally, I'd bash the CIA/FBI for a total failure, instead of bashing Europe. Europe STILL backs you, but they will NOT help in mass-destruction.


Well, then you'd better start bashing the politicians in Washington who've handcuffed both agencies severely.

In 1995, the Cliinton Administration put a ban on the CIA employing any agents that had "a history of violence". Tell me, who are your agents, or informants, in dealing with terrorists, but the criminals they associate with?

As for the FBI... until the guidelines for obtaining search warrants and such are changed, they're going to be no more effective. A commission agreed last year that the guidelines could be changed without infringing on our civil rights and liberties. But it hasn't been done. And I'll be very surprised if it does get done.

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Ward_XC
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posted 09-15-2001 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ward_XC   Click Here to Email Ward_XC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Admiral Frey,

Noted.

I just would like to say that the opinion of the British public is fully behind the US. Hell, I saw a queue at the local TA recruitment office!

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Blades
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posted 09-15-2001 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blades   Click Here to Email Blades     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will,
quote:
But I am saying that we should NOT allow mass-destruction.

This is the reason the USA wants to stop these terrorists. To stop the mass-destruction. Did you not see what they did? One General said they have use WMD (weapons of MASS destruction) and we MUST retaliate with the same.

You know the saying, 'Some times to kill rats you have to go to the sewers'. That doesnt mean you become a rat, but you go to them and get them where they live on there level or you wont get them.

The USA is in the RIGHT here and they (terrorists) are in the WRONG. NO matter what we do, we are RIGHT they are WRONG, make no mistake in this. THEY started this war no the USA. But, we WILL end it on our terms.

Till terrorism is no longer a threat to ANYONE is where the USA is. This is a GREAT EVIL just like the Nazis were a GREAT EVIL that MUST be stopped at all costs.

As for the Euros. After hearing Blair, I dont think they are backing down. They will be here for the long haul.

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posted 09-15-2001 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ufo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is why nato is a joke its ment to be one for all all for one infighting will not help us aganst this scum
Nukes wont help wheres the fallout going to land? all over the world
In 80s the the westen world declared war on these b';';'ds in far away lands.after we forgot about them they did not forget about us
This can heppen anywhere anytime to anyone
Do I want war?no will I help fight one?yes I will not let more go to there graves to keep me safe while I sit at home Worring whos next
No war is comming its been here all the time we just did not want to be part of it.we(nato)gave the nod to the kurds aganst iraq when it got messy we let them rot we all have help them to hate us
When I saw on the news what was happening at the wtc I had tears welling up in my eyes this was before I found out fellow brits was in there that did not make it out alive
In 39 a madman got the world to join up aganst him and his allies
after we rested on our asses and got down to our petty squables
You want to know the best way to show this bin larden and his ilk that we will not sit by and let this happen we(nato)go in get him alive then try him under isalmic law
I thank god we are not incharge of our countrys it would not be words we would be chucking words at each other it be nukes
last night on brit tv there was a debate program on the anti us sentment by a few on it made me want to puke after ten minits I turned it off
most of the world is behind the US even musilms(senceer who knows not all them are evil)bin ladrn stands for fear and power over his people we shall stand for freedom for our and his
The afganastarn gov grow fat while there people starve to death they were not voted in and have no right to speak for the afgan people
I say we go in and ask them what they want our help to get rid of them and this time we wont let you down and stick by you
hearts and minds lets show them there are other ways to live for the better give them back there freedom and make sure we help them keep it and stop the hate in us all

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FMMonty
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posted 09-15-2001 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FMMonty   Click Here to Email FMMonty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you need to realise that a lot of the Europeans are really angry at the Americans for the SUPPORT you have given to our terrorists. In Britain we will support you no matter what, but even I have had friends killed by bombs bought with American money (the lovely IRA who you give money to NORAID to support), so you are mad to think the rest of Europe will support you in any constructive way (Belgium wouldn't sell ammo to Britain during the Gulf War so we nearly ran out).

France is pushing for sanctions on Iraq to be lifted so they can contine their trade with them, and Germany is a long standing trading partner of Iran, so unlikely to side with you much.

I am sorry, but for a lot of the world you have a long way to go before they will support you, since you have gone against them in your ignorance for so long (albeit thinking you were doing the right thing) that there are few countries that still wholeheartedly support you.

This is not supposed to sound like America bashing, I really like America (even though I have always wondered why you hate us enough to support our enemies), but the rest of Europe is not always so forgiving (I think Britain is the only country that doesn't get bitter about wars).

In hindsight I shouldn't post this, since it will be taken the wrong way at the moment, but what the heck, truth is always useful.

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Corbomite
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posted 09-15-2001 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Corbomite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quite frankly I don't care who helps us. I only care about those who stand in our way. This has gone on long enough all over the world. It must end. More people will die over this and great suffering will result, but what is our alternative, wait until these people have a nuclear device? They won't be stopping to think of all these things we are debating these last few days, they will just drop it where it will do the most damage, in the U.S. or Europe.

It is time to remind the world that there is nothing on this planet scarier than the United States with a singular sense of purpose. We have tried to handle these situations over the years by diplomacy and throwing money at the problem. That has obviously failed. The time to act is now, while we still have time before these type of people can really get a foothold and cause the world to bend to their will.

To our European allies, I thank you for your support. To the dissenters here and abroad I ask you to think on this:

No sane person wants mass distruction or war. No one wants massive and lenthy disruptions of their lives. These types of people only want to hurt and destroy to prove they are commited to a cause that they feel is right and just. I might even agree with some of their postions and causes, but let us look at the facts -

They just killed thousands of people and caused massive suffering. They very effectivly interrupted if not crippled the world economy as well as the U.S. economy. They caused billions of dollars in damage. They managed to shut down all inter-continental and continental air travel in and out of this country for 72 hours. They chose targets that were important to our way of life and our ability respond effectively. If the Pentagon had been annihilated our military would be in a shambles. They have no regard for their lives or the lives of others or any interest in peaceful coexistance.

This was an attack on our very way of life, not some guy blowing up a bus to make a statement. These people are smart and devious. They knew where to attack to hurt us the most and only dumb luck is to thank it wasn't worse. If you don't think this affects you or your country you are naive in the extreme. You Europeans are correct when you say that we haven't lived with terrorism like you have (BTW I take offense when you say that we don't help you, to my knowledge we always send aid) and we don't intend to. None of you have ever been hit this hard, so you can't say what your reaction would be say if Buckingham Palace or your Parliment building were destroyed this way.

All I can say is that if this fizzles out into another lenthy debate about how much this will cost or how we don't want to step on anyone toes because we might lose money over it or are afraid of what they might think of us I will leave this country. If the United States can't or won't try their best to protect me and my family, I'll find one that will.

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Rob Cole
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posted 09-15-2001 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Cole   Click Here to Email Rob Cole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 5of12:
you're not only ignorant you're a FUCKING RACIST

5of12,

Talk like this will not be tollerated from a member of XC please try to restrain yourself.

One can post your opion without useing cursewords or name calling.

Thank-you in advance for your complience.

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RogueJedi_XC
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posted 09-15-2001 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RogueJedi_XC   Click Here to Email RogueJedi_XC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I, for one, have faith in our European Allies. The USA has always had close ties with Europe, and I believe these close ties will carry us through this dark time just as they have carried us through others.

So what if France and Germany do not throw in the full might of their militaries? The support they are offering, logistical, medical, and moral, are more than enough, and more than we should really hope for.

Unfortunately, the finger-pointing has begun in earnest now. Action must come soon, before it gets out of hand and we are all at each other's throats; each blaming the other for what happened, and for failing to take some nebulous action to either prevent it or to exact retribution. We should be careful not to seek scapegoats for our anger rather than focusing on the true evil in our midst.

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Rob Cole
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posted 09-15-2001 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Cole   Click Here to Email Rob Cole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AdmiralFrey_XC:
Alright.

I am putting my foot down.

XC members - I sent out an email recently urging everyone to use compassion and reason in posting on any forums.

Some of the replies here are very offensive to me.

So, all XC - from here on out you guys need to re read what you are posting, and correct it if it violates Taldrens etiquette as well as XC ROC.

This is a time to show the world America is a land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE, and it certainly takes bravery to look past that which seems obvious for the truth.

Don't fall low, XC, stay on the high ground.



Oops,

I did not see that Frey had beat me too it

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Mournblade
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posted 09-15-2001 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mournblade   Click Here to Email Mournblade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Monty u and your pussy europeans go F%$^ yourself. We rebuilt you, you sorry ass piece of s h i t.

Waiting here at Ft. Lewis for the call

[This message has been edited by Mournblade (edited 09-15-2001).]

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FMMonty
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posted 09-15-2001 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FMMonty   Click Here to Email FMMonty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mournblade:
Monty u and your pussy europeans go F%$^ yourself. We rebuilt you, you sorry ass piece of s h i t

Would you like to explain what you are upset about?

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Mournblade
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posted 09-15-2001 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mournblade   Click Here to Email Mournblade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The european countries that dont fully support this should be lumped into the same category as the afgans.

England is the only sure 1

At Ft. Lewis waiting to bust some ragheads

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FMMonty
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posted 09-15-2001 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FMMonty   Click Here to Email FMMonty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mournblade:
The european countries that dont fully support this should be lumped into the same category as the afgans.

England is the only sure 1

At Ft. Lewis waiting to bust some ragheads



This is a strange thing to say, but I didn't really disagree with what you said. Also Britain is not called England, that is like calling the USA Texas since that is the biggest state.

Good luck on the Raggies, remember the fuzzie wuzzies don't like it up em

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3dot14
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posted 09-15-2001 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3dot14   Click Here to Email 3dot14     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but ain't Alaska the biggest state? Geographically speaking.

And California, population wise.

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SirWillem
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posted 09-15-2001 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SirWillem   Click Here to Email SirWillem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

Monty u and your pussy europeans go F%$^ yourself. We rebuilt you, you sorry ass piece of s h i t.
Waiting here at Ft. Lewis for the call

Lol, we'r starting like this? Ok, then listen to this. Without Europe there wouldn't even have been a United States of America. Btw, don't start flaming/swearing. Try to act like an adult. There are kids reading this forum. Including myself

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