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Documenting a Death Camp in Nazi Croatia
The New York Times ^
| November 14, 2001 | NEIL A. LEWIS
Posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by Pericles
November 14, 2001
Documenting a Death Camp in Nazi Croatia
By NEIL A. LEWIS
WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 — Officials of the United States Holocaust Museum said today that they had discovered and preserved a cache of decaying documents and artifacts from one of the lesser-known but most brutal concentration camps of World War II. The camp, known as Jasenovac, was operated in Croatia by the Ustasha, the Nazi puppet government.
The artifacts were found deteriorating in a building in Banja Luka in the Serbian part of Bosnia last year, officials said.
Peter Black, the museum's chief historian, told reporters today that Jasenovac was crude in comparison to the industrialized Nazi extermination camps like Auschwitz. Mr. Black said there were no gas chambers or crematories, so prisoners were murdered one by one with axes, guns, knives or prolonged torture. Bodies were buried or thrown into the adjacent Sava River.
Jasenovac (pronounced ya-SEN- oh-vatz), actually a complex of five camps about 60 miles from the Croatian capital, Zagreb, has been little studied in the West, but the history has long resonated in the modern Balkans, where analysts and historians have debated about how much of the region's violence may be traced to historic ethnic enmities.
Mr. Black estimated that nearly 100,000 people had been killed in Jasenovac, the largest number being Serbs, followed by Jews and Gypsies.
The camp was established by the Republic of Croatia to eliminate anyone who was not an ethnic Croatian. Mr. Black said a combination of factors, including the reluctance of officials to agree on what happened, had led to its history's remaining largely hidden from scholars until now.
The collection includes 2,000 photographs, many of atrocities; tens of thousands of papers; and thousands of artifacts, like inmate crafts.
Sara J. Bloomfield, director of the Holocaust Museum, said the project to save the documents and artifacts was especially significant because of the cooperation of the government of Croatia, whose history is cast in a poor light, as well as the governments of Serbia and Bosnia. Ms. Bloomfield said the governments had cooperated despite "the continuing sensitivity of all sides to this collection."
That sensitivity was on display moments after the museum's presentation today when a diplomat from Croatia, Mate Maras, objected to the assertion by museum officials that more than 300,000 Serbs had died at the hands of the Ustasha throughout Croatia in World War II.
Mr. Maras complained to Ms. Bloomfield and Mr. Black that the number was misleading because it included what he said were combatants throughout Croatia and thus was comparable to the hundreds of thousands of Croats killed in the war.
Mr. Maras said that while he thought the assertions of the museum's personnel about Serb casualties were misleading, he agreed it was "a good day for Croatia to open up these sad pages of our history."
Copies of the collection have been made and will be maintained at the Holocaust Museum and in Israel, officials said. The original collection will be returned to a museum in Croatia, where it will be put on display at the site of the Jasenovic complex, officials said.
Officials of the United States Holocaust Museum said today that they had discovered and preserved a cache of decaying documents and artifacts from one of the lesser-known but most brutal concentration camps of World War II. The camp, known as Jasenovac, was operated in Croatia by the Ustasha, the Nazi puppet government.
Officials of the United States Holocaust Museum just discovered??? lesser-known????? Were not these officials the same ones that allowed Weaselthal to publicly harangued Clinton (pre-arranged) to attack the Serbs because for some strange reason the Serbs resisted being ruled by Croatians and Bosnian Muslims?
The Jews of America should be ashamed of themselves.
Never Forget??? Depends on who you are remembering.
1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by Pericles
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What do the Jews have to do with this?
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by AppyPappy
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So when is the ICTY going to charge Milosevic for this crime?
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by LA-Lawyer
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Jewish groups allowed themselves to be used as props when Clinton was looking to deomonize the Serbs in Bosnia in order to bomb them. The Serbs were called Hitlerian and positioned as genocidal maniacal villains. Go to Google and do a search and see.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by Pericles
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>>>>>Never Forget??? Depends on who you are remembering.<<<<<<<<
It's 40,000 slaughtered Croatian Jews who are forgotten today because of political correctness, it will be all 6 million tomorrow. The nazi revisionists could not be happier, victims are doing their own work.
The Nazi revisionism from Official Croatia is sickening. "That sensitivity was on display moments after the museum's presentation today when a diplomat from Croatia, Mate Maras, objected to the assertion by museum officials that more than 300,000 Serbs had died at the hands of the Ustasha throughout Croatia in World War II.
And The Museum estimate is on the low side. The real number is anywhere between 460,000 and according to The Third Reich documents, around 1 million. The real crime is that that number is hard to establish after 50 years of communist hush-up and 10 years' of international media barrage of 'poor Croatians"
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by DTA
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BUMP
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by DTA
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The original collection will be returned to a museum in Croatia, where it will be put on display at the site of the Jasenovic complex, officials said.
More likely the collection will be hidden away or destroyed by the Croats!
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by F-117A
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This article downplays a lot, the number of Serbs killed, for instance:
Serbians: 700,000 (Croat Ustasa persecution)
Also, "Mr. Black said there were no gas chambers or crematories". Not so, according to:
Gas chamber -
Jasenovac possessed a gas chamber where inmates were poisoned using sulphur dioxide and Zyklon B gas. Jasenovac survivor Misha Danon recounts the gas chamber as follows:This room was sealed, so that not a breath of air or a beam of light could penetrate into it. It was,in fact, a gas chamber.Here they killed children of three,five and seven years old,the children of Serbs and Jews, orphaned children.
Survivor Jakov Atijas confirms Danon's account:
Many women and children were? poisoned in special cells (closed rooms) with gas. The gravediggers had to carry out the corpses of those poisoned and either bury them in mass graves or throw them into the crematorium.
Crematorium -
In January 1942, Ivica Matkovic became commander of the Jasenovac camp and with the engineer Hinko Picili converted the tile oven in the factory into a crematorium where corpses as well as living victims were incinerated until May 1942. A black smoke and stench of burned human flesh permeated the region. Sado Cohen-Davko explained that first the inmates were shut in a building beside the crematorium:Here the prisoners were ordered to strip, in order to bathe and be disinfected. The poor women and children had no idea where they were going. At the exit,behind the door, there stood two executioners with mallets. As each passed through for 'disinfection',he was hit by one with a mallet and another immediately threw him half-dead into the oven. This oven swallowed up a good thousand victims, especially women and children.
Jasenovac survivor Jakov Atijas recalls the crematorium as follows:
There was a so-called 'Black Maria', a closed car that almost every night took away prisoners from the barracks and burned them in the oven like fuel... From the Spring of 1942, they threw the weak and the ill into the brick oven while they were still alive.
Survivor Jakov Kabilj as an eyewitness personally observed:
I myself remained alive, and saw that winter how live people, stiff with cold, were taken under orders and thrown into the brick oven.
The tile oven was divided into several ovens with a common chimney. Each oven could hold 40-50 people. The oven was in a long tunnel and the individual ovens were 3 x 4 x 3 yards. The door was opened from the outside,from the tunnel. In one night, 450 to 600 people were incinerated.
Another mention of crematorium -
The crimes of the Ustasha documented by the Zagreb indictment included the murder of hundreds of specifically named Serbs, Gypsies, and Jews; the creation of the Jasenovac concentration camp, where hundreds of thousands of individuals were killed; and the following specific cases of barbarism:1. tying families by their hands with wire, forcing them into a pit, and cracking their skulls with sledgehammers;
2. operating a crematorium at Jasenovac into which persons were flung alive;
3. herding Serbs into their Orthodox churches ... and then butchering them with knives;
4. medical experiments into the perseverance of human organisms;
5. slitting open the bellies of pregnant women;
6. drinking blood from the slashed throats of the victims;
7. inducing cannibalism among camp inmates;
8. mutilation of the living and the dead;
9. raping schoolgirls before their mothers;
10. catching infants on bayonets;
11. inventing new methods of torture;
12. throwing burning lime on the living in execution pits;
13. feeding food laced with caustic soda to starving children.38
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by joan
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Simon Wiesenthal Center
Los Angeles, CA 90035-4792<
RE: USTASHI MURDERS IN WORLD WAR II IN CROATIA
Although exact figures for civilian victims of the Ustashi in the nazi puppet state of Croatia may never be known, the following numbers represent reasonable estimates as determined by reputable, scholarly sources.
Population Jews: 35-40,000
Jews Murdered: 30,000
Population Gypsies: 29,000
Gypsies Murdered: 28,000
Population Serbs: 1,750,000
Serbs murdered: 600,000+
Serbs expelled: 250,000
200,000 Serbs forcibly converted to Catholicism
Aaron Breitbart
Senior Research Associate
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by Doctor13
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I do not understand what kind of person-animal could do those things to other people.
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by geaux
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Especially shame on Eli Wiesel who was the first to jump on the bandwagon to demonize Serbs during the conflict in Bosnia and who promoted the stories of Serbian "concentration camps" in Bosnia.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09 PM PST by Leonora
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On the contrary, by providing a framework for boosting the public visibility of modern Holocaust Studies, increasing public attention has been given to a broad range of massacres of non-Jews, as well as Jews. Indeed, the Holocaust Museum. and its counterpart in Los Angeles, the Museum of Tolerance, have been nearly unique in NOT concentrating on only one ethnic group's experiences. It took a few years of prodding and recriminations, but the response of these organizations has been exemplary. As always, there are a variety of counts and claims about the severity of the slaughters. What is quite clear, is that humanity has a long way to go before ethnically and culturally driven mass murder is expunged from the human experience.
It is also clear, however, that, by making this phenomenon of ethnic and ideologically driven mass murder a topic of serious scholarship for all peoples, in their efforts to come to grips with their particular encounter with it in the 20th century, the Jews (as well as other supporters of the Holocaust Museum) have cause for pride, not shame, for their efforts.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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Eli "Weasel"
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Pericles
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You can't hide from the truth!
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by FormerLib
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You remember our friend "ZaDomSpremni," don't you?
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by FormerLib
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The Holocaust Museum allowed itself to be taken hostage in a staged ceremony designed to link the Serbs with the genoicide of the Nazis. Those Jews at that place at that time FORGOT!
My grandparents survived two holocausts my father one. I will say it again, shame on the Jews of America.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Pericles
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I would say that blame is more on American Jewish institutions, while most of the individual Jewish Americans were supportive of Serbs.
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Leonora
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Not all Jews should be ashamed, though this article came too late for Bosnia and dealt mostly with Kosovo. I posted this article on Free Republic a while back, but I can't find it in the archives now.
Commentary by Dr. Gerhard Falk
A tribunal is by definition an impartial agency devoted to adjudicating crimes by anyone against anyone. We should expect that this would be true of “war crimes” as well. Therefore, the religion, ethnic group or nationality of someone who is suspected of a war crime should have no impact on the tribunal's judgment.
This, however, is not the case when it comes to the United Nations war crimes tribunal concerning the former Yugoslavia. That tribunal is nothing more than a “kangaroo court” intent on persecuting, not prosecuting, Serbs on behalf of the Albanian Moslems.
The evidence for this biased and racist approach to so-called justice on the part of the U.N. War Crimes tribunal is the fact that Serbs and only Serbs have ever been adjudicated by that “kangaroo court”. Crimes of the most heinous kinds committed by Moslems and for that matter Germans against Serbs are ignored. The Albanian Moslems are solely responsible for the fighting in Yugoslavia since they, and they alone, attacked the Serb Christian population in an effort to overrun all of Serbia and force their religion on those who don’t want it. Bombings, killings, and indiscriminate murder of the Serb population left the government of Serbia no choice but to protect its people against the violence forced upon them by the Albanians.
These are the same Albanians who marched with the Nazi army into Russia where they murdered thousand of Jews between 1941 and 1943. In addition, the Albanian Moslems formed a special Storm Trooper Unit (SS) which served Hitler by volunteering to go to Salonika, which had the largest Jewish population in Greece. There the Albanians slaughtered thousands of Jews under Nazi supervision. The Albanian SS division was called the Skanderbeg division. Skanderbeg is a corruption of the two Turkish words, Iskander or Alexander and Bey or Master. The Albanian divisions were recruited by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hay Amin, the uncle of Yassir Arafat. This Nazi spent the second world war in Berlin. From there he traveled to the occupied Balkans and organized the Albanian divisions. He also praised “the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere” (meaning Israel) which he hoped the Germans would achieve upon winning the war.
Haj Amin was instrumental in making Albania an ally of the Germans during the second world war. Under German hegemony the Albanians then sought to establish a “greater Albania” including Macedonia and parts of Serbia.
Yet, all these horrors are not crimes because Moslems did them and Jews were the victims. American Jews who today defend the Albanians against the Serbs are murdering their fellow Jews a second time. Moreover, it ought to be evident that the tactics used by the Albanian Moslems in the Balkans are the same that are used by the Palestinian Moslems in Israel. In both cases, the Moslems cause endless bloodshed and then pretend that they are the victims. In both cases the media bad-mouth the victims of Moslem atrocities, i.e the Israelis and the Serbs. In both cases the Moslem terrorists are financed by oil interests who blame the victims and refuse to see the danger of this terrorism to this country as well as the immediate targets.
Those who now blame Slobodan Milosevich for defending his country need to notice that the Arabs and their anti-Jewish friends are claiming that the prime minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon, is a “war criminal”. The analogy is obvious. If Milosevich is a “war criminal’ for defending his people then the same must be true of Sharon as well.
How then can we continue to side with the Nazi Albanians against our own people? Surely even Jewish “liberality”ought to have a limit. Are we such “liberals” that even the slaughterers of our own people gain our support?
Shalom u’vracha.
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Pericles
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I should also add that as of last year the Albanians running Kosovo made it "Jew Free".
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Pericles
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Wasn't it the same Holocaust Museum that, when it opened in the early 90's, wouldn't include an exhibit on the Ustashi genocide so as not to offend the late Croat president Franjo Tudjman, himself a Nazi apologist?
There must be new management at the museum today. Better late than never I suppose.
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Canuck1
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Tudjman was actually invited for the opening of the Holacaust Museum in Washington D.C. Yes, the same Tudjman who wrote the book in which he argued that Holocaust numbers were exaggerated.
21 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Leonora
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Do you have the date of this article, "The U.N. War Crimes Tribunal?
Thank you.
22 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by Doctor13
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A few days ago, in cities throughout the U.S., "Kristallnacht" remembrances were held, where Jewish survivors of concentration camps, or descendants of people killed in concentration camps, solemnly lit candles and said "Never again." How many times, I wonder, were the murdered Serbs mentioned during these services? Did anyone mention the Christmas Day massacre in Ponikve in 1943, where the Ustase entered the school house during a Christmas program and slaughtered nearly every man, woman and child in town? I doubt it.
23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10 PM PST by mountaineer
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>>>I do not understand what kind of person-animal could do those things to other people.
Yeshua would say, "Of their father, the devil." There are photos of the perpetrators here: The 20th Century Inquisition -- Continued here.
24 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by 2sheep
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>>>Did anyone mention the Christmas Day massacre in Ponikve in 1943, where the Ustase entered the school house during a Christmas program and slaughtered nearly every man, woman and child in town?
The Jews were the canary in the mines and those who think they are "the Church" should have taken note of the cursings of Lev. 26 and Deut. 28 for disobedience. Many people have had dreams and visions of elements of Holocaust II in America, of being hunted and processed for concentration camps, of massacres in churches and also of attacks by Russians and Chinese. Because of the number of separate incidents, these dreams and visions should not be ignored. "Get ready," to some may mean the buy ammo. I think it means "know thy God." (Dan 11:32). Most do not.
Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by 2sheep
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Jewish groups allowed themselves to be used as props when Clinton was looking to deomonize the Serbs in Bosnia in order to bomb them. The Serbs were called Hitlerian and positioned as genocidal maniacal villains.
As a Christian who is an "insider" to one large mainline denomination (and therefore its relations with other such denominations), I have a slightly different view of this.
Both the establshment Jewish organizations and leaders and the mainline Christian ones took just about the same stance toward the Serbian "villlains" and the "poor, innocent muslim victims". Both groups were successfully manipulated by Ruder-Finn and other PR and media outlets, who were working for the NWO and Croatian, "Bosniak", and Albanian lobbies. One can find anti-Serbian documents from establshment Jewish and Christian groups that look like they were written by the same group of people--perhaps they were.
This is all despite Jesus' commandment that we love one another!!! The mainline leaders at least owed the Serbs to try to learn what the truth really was, rather than just taking their cues from the bought-and-paid-for media and PR flacks, and from the clintonites.
Some of the same thing goes on even now--listen to the establishment Jewish and Christian groups calling for "peace" (i.e., not doing anything effective about terrorism)!
So you can blame the establishment Jewish groups for their Serbophobia and shilling for the NWO, but establishment Christian groups deserve at least equal blame.
26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by Honorary Serb
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The Nazi puppet government in Croatia during WWII was not called the Republic of Croatia. It was "the Independent State of Croatia" (NDH) although not really independent, not much of a state, and only about half of its territory, maybe less, was ethnically Croatian. Besides being bloodthirsty killers, the leaders were remarkably incompetent. A relative of the king of Italy was chosen to be king, but he never even bothered to visit the country.
27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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The So-Called War Crimes Tribunal of the United Nations - posted 5/3/01
28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by Pericles
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Joan I was at Jasenovac in 1992 and there stood a large monument to mark the burial pits. Along the Sava river was a very large oak tree that Tito had cut down and placed on its side as a reminder of the cruelty that had taken place. This tree with its many limbs was used to hang thousands. I am surprised this was not mentioned. The black train is also there at the destroyed museum. A very sad place not far from Staragradishka.
29 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by Wraith
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God help us. The NYT declares that the Serbs suffered during WWII! Next they'll tell us that men really did land on the moon. This is like spitting on their graves. The NYT is scum, it was scum in the past, and it probably will always be scum. The only person they forgot to invite to the opening of their Washington(?) Genocide Museum was Pol Pot, but that may have been because he was dead or they refused to pay his travel expenses. I won't even mention tudjman being there at the opening ceremony. This is just plain sick.
VRN
30 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by Voronin
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Looking for this Pericles? The So-Called War Crimes Tribunal of the United Nations
31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by F-117A
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Joan I was at Jasenovac in 1992 and there stood a large monument to mark the burial pits.
Are there any markers or monuments across the river at Gradina? Were the mass graves there ever dug up?
32 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11 PM PST by F-117A
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So you can blame the establishment Jewish groups for their Serbophobia and shilling for the NWO, but establishment Christian groups deserve at least equal blame.
You are absolutely right. But, I found this ignorance by Jewish groups more painful because Jews suffered so much from Nazis, and since Serbs saved many of them from persecution during WWII, one would think they would be the first to recognize the truth behind the propaganda.
33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12 PM PST by Leonora
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But, I found this ignorance by Jewish groups more painful because Jews suffered so much from Nazis, and since Serbs saved many of them from persecution during WWII...
One can find a lot of pain in the anti-Serbism of both establsment Jews and Christians. In my case, I find Christian anti-Serbism more painful, because of my strong sense of Christian brotherhood. Christians who reject and vilify their Serbian brothers and sisters without even knowing any Serbs are missing out on a lot, as I know from personal experience. They are also selling themselves out to the NWO monster. And they are grieving the heart of God.
34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13 PM PST by Honorary Serb
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Never Forget??? Depends on who you are remembering
Pericles, do an informal survey on the Kragujevac (Kraguyevats) massacre and see how many people even head about it? It is simply never mentioned. The American historical and political estbalishments chose to erase some things from reaching general public awareness. Minimizing such events as 20 million Russians perishing in Stalingrad, Leningrad and the eastern front, is another example. Most people will tell you that WWII was about Jews, and that the Battle of Brittain and Normandy Invasion did Hitler in. Jasenovac was a political hot potato. Even the Nixon administration was full of Croatian emigre cadre who made sure Jasenovac was dismissed as "communist propaganda." Admitting to Jasenovac would make the refusal of the Serbs of Kraina to live in a Croatian state with an Ustasha-lookalike flag, with Ustasha money (the kuna), with streets named after Ustasha war criminals, and with many real live Ustasha officials under the Tudjman tenure, too obvious and at the same time too difficult to support. After all, the regime in Zagreb was more than willing to help us help Bosnian Muslims. Besides, Germany was all pro-Croatian, which sealed everyone's stance in Europe.
You can't create an image of Nazi-like Serbs and then admit that they were herded in concentration camps by our contemporary allies! Besides, the hatred for Serbs transcends national. They were the only ones who did not want to let NWO run their affairs. That's a no-no in this world. So, what do the Brits do (that they are so good at)? They turn the tables and create a BIg Lie. The former Nazi-sympathizers become good guys and those who fought the Nazis and their sympathizers become the neo-Nazis! Brilliant!
No one remembers anything. People only remember the "official history." Most people don't even remember there was a war in Bosnia (ended in Dec 1995). Many of those who are serving in Afghanistan were barely teenagers when that happened, and little boys and girls when the Bosnian conflict started.
There is no memory other than an official one, and CNN is the messanger (to paraphrase another famous statement of belief).
35 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13 PM PST by kosta50
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Are there any markers or monuments across the river at Gradina? Were the mass graves there ever dug up?
The only monument that I saw was the one at Jasenovac. This monument is huge and governs the area. The Jasenovac museum and the old train were near by. This monument had 4 large arches bending outwards and were connected by a central hub. I'm not sure about any other monuments because at the time it was not to healthy to venture off the roads because of the land mines. I believe across the river would mean Bosnia.
36 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13 PM PST by Wraith
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I believe across the river would mean Bosnia.
Right, my understanding is that there was a ferry that was used to transport some prisioners across the river to be slaughtered there.
37 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14 PM PST by F-117A
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"WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 — Officials of the United States Holocaust Museum said today that they had discovered and preserved a cache of decaying documents and artifacts from one of the lesser-known but most brutal concentration camps of World War II. The camp, known as Jasenovac, was operated in Croatia by the Ustasha, the Nazi puppet government.
The artifacts were found deteriorating in a building in Banja Luka in the Serbian part of Bosnia last year, officials said."
Pericles,I agree with you 100%!Shame on the American Jews!Coming from the man who is a great admirer of the Jews and Israelis,that means that I am pissed off ,big time!Why?Let me tell you why:
The whole story is a lie!!!!!First of all,Americans didn`t descover "decaying documents" in Banja Luka!They took them from the Bosnian Serbs Government,under a false pretense,for "restauration and preservation"!Those were the surviving documents from the Jasenovac Museum saved by the museum curator from the fascist Ustashe onsloughtin 95!They were in his house in Banja Luka!Former Republic of Serpska Prime Minister Milorad Dodik was told (threathened) by the US Ambassador in Bosnia to "hand over the documents to the Holocoust Museum" or else...When he did,a museum officials anounced,last year(!) that,after the "restauration" the entire museum colection will be given back.....TO THE CROATS!!!!!!THE MURDERERS WILL BE GIVEN THE ENTIRE EVIDENCE OF THEIR CRIME!!!!
Secondly,Holocoust Museum,allready,has an enormous colection of documents about Jasenovac and genocide against the Serbs,Jews,and others in Croatia!Some Yugoslav historians claim that they have more than Yugoslav museums!?To advance more their agenda,Croatian government is demanding documents from Yugoslav Federal Archives in Belgrade,as a part of succession proces between a former Yugoslav republics which is,curently,under way!Many documents from the WWII in Yugoslavia were taken from Belgrade from 47-1990 by a prominent Croatian Communist officials in the Yu Government of that time and...never seen again!The most prominent was Vladimir Bakarich,one of the closest Tito`s men!Croats had done everything to destroy any evidence of terrible masacres of the WWII!And now,with the help of their allies,American Jews they will have the opportunity to destroy what was left!
I haqve been in Jasenovac 3 times!I have been in Dachau,Ravensbruck,Auswitz and Mauthausen...but I have never seen such bestiality as Jasenovac and Herzegovina caves and grotos full of Serbian people!And I am half Croat!
Holocoust Museum should be "proud" off their guest Franjo Tudjman,that crazy fascists who said "Thank`s God,my wife in neither Serb nor Jewish!"Guest of honor,indeed!
The author,also,lies about crematoriums:they were used in Jasenovac.The number 100 000 killed is app.25% of the real figure.According to the Italian and German archives and documents!Jasenovac Concentracion camp was the most terrible camp in Europe during the WWII!And both Americans and British knew about it in `43!When American President F. Roosewelt read the reports,he allegedly,said that "imature and bloodthirsty nation like Croats should be put under international custody after the war untill they learn to behave in civilised way!"
This article is rubish,full of half truths and half lies and is something that Museum should be ashamed off!
Wreith,monument that you saw in Jasenovac was designed and built by a prominent Belgrade architect Prof. Bogdan Bogdanovich.It is a flower grown out of the blood and bones of the victims.You were walking on the ground that was soaked in the blood of Serbs,Jews,communists and other innocents.One Yugoslav poet once said that "After Belgrade,Jasenovac is the largest Serbian city!Allas,under ground!" How true!
38 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15 PM PST by branicap
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Maddie Albright is Jewish, and she escaped the Nazis through Serbia during WW2.
39 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15 PM PST by The Big Dog
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I was at Jasenovac in 1992 and there stood a large monument to mark the burial pits.
In case you haven't heard, that monument was bulldozed by the Croats after they had ethnically cleansed the Krajina.
Funny, isn't it, how it didn't make the papers like the Taliban did when they blew up that statue?
40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16 PM PST by FormerLib
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This article is rubish,full of half truths and half lies and is something that Museum should be ashamed off!
I sadly must agree. The Article and information on the Museum's website appears to be full of distortions, half truths, and deliberate misrepresentations.
It is truely sad to see the Museum used so basely for political ends.
41 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16 PM PST by vooch
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The monument may be gone but the name still remains. What happened there is well known. So who is fooling who.
42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16 PM PST by Wraith
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So who is fooling who.
Consider the fact that Turkey still denies their massacre of the Armenians.
43 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16 PM PST by FormerLib
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Here's a good article by the same author that was written in the year before the one you posted: Believe It or Not - the "Liberal" Jews Really Did This
44 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18 PM PST by joan
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To bad his words were ignored by most Jews and Americans.
45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18 PM PST by Pericles
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What Dr Falk didn`t mention is that the author of this book was a former Croat president ,Franjo Tudjman!
Guest of Honor at the Holocoust Museum!
46 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21 PM PST by branicap
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The story remains the same.
47 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24 PM PST by Wraith
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"What Dr Falk didn`t mention is that the author of this book was a former Croat president ,Franjo Tudjman!"
Branicap, you read too hastily:
Believe it or not, the author of this book was invited to the opening ceremonies of the U.S. National Holocaust Museum in April of 1993. Those who invited this hater were the members of the Jewish management of that museum. The author of this anti-Jewish diatribe was Franjo Tudjman, then the president of Croatia, a former province of Yugoslavia.
48 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27 PM PST by joan
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My appologies!It is this damn AOL that`s killing me !Disconesting all the time ,so I missed that part!I stand corrected!What would I do without you,dear lady!
PS. I am blushing now like a admonished pupil!
49 posted on 11/16/2001 10:28 PM PST by branicap
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