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How To: Alternate Fix for m500 Series USB Problem
Posted by: Tom Denton on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:56:18 AM

Some people are complaining that their m500 or m505 has suddenly stopped syncing with the USB cradle. This is caused by a static charge build-up in the m500 series devices. The first method for fixing this involves leaving the handheld on long enough to drain the battery. This is slow and a few people who have tried it say they have battery problems afterwards. This USB failure can also be fixed by opening the back of the handheld and disconnecting the battery. This process will also reset the USB chips which will eliminate the static charge that is not allowing the USB serialized ID to be sent to the PC for HotSyncing.

Warning: Opening the back of the handheld will totally and irrevocably void its warranty. Use at your own risk.

Step 1
Back up the handheld NOW. Either with the Palm Backup SD card or with a serial cradle. The following process will delete all your data.

Remove the stylus and any SD/MMC cards in the slot, and any case you may have attached to the PDA. Put on a static cuff if you want to; I did not and everything worked out fine.

Step 2
Remove the four Torx screws on the back casing using a T6x40mm Torx screw driver. Put the screws in a bowl or some sort of container. Do not lose these screws

Step 3
Gently slip a fingernail under the corner of the backing near the SD card slot. Lift slightly and slip in a straight slotted Jeweler's screw driver. Do not permanently bend the backing

Step 4
Gently rotate screw driver along side of backing to "lift" the clips holding the backing onto the middle frame. Work your way around the handheld in a clockwise direction. Be careful at the top of the handheld (SD card side); that clip may have to be rolled out like a hinge. There are three clips per side, two on the bottom and one on the top of the backing; try not to break any. I have done this twice and have not broken any, so they may be stronger than they look.

Step 5
Place backing on table and don't lose it. The image above is what you will see when the backing comes off.

Step 6
Gently disconnect the battery plug from the motherboard. Wait five minutes and gently slide the plug back in. You will hear the handheld start up. Let it complete the ROM load and boot cycle, then turn off the handheld when it has finished booting. Place the backing on the PDA and snap the clips into the middle frame. Put the Torx screws back in. Go to your PC and re-sync your data with the USB cradle.

If your m500 or m505 is suffering from USB failure, it isn't necessary to use either one of these methods for fixing it. Palm will replace any m500 series model that has this problem. Contact Palm's Support pages for more information.

Update: Palm has begun a program for replacing old m500 series cradles with new ones that offer better protection from static electricity. According to Palm, this electrostatic discharge (ESD) disrupts the handheld enough that it is no longer able to HotSync.

Thanks to Tom Denton from Denton Software Group from all his work. -Ed

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 Why would you risk it??
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:10:11 AM

I am surprised that you would post this fix for what is a know problem with the M500 Series Palm models, since Palm is replacing the units on a case by case basis.
The Palm M500 series is less than a year old, so the warranty still applies. Why would you take the risk of opening it up yourself, voiding the warranty as opposed to calling Palm and getting them to do the right thing, honoring their warranty.

threadRE: Why would you risk it?? I WOULD - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 10:17:16 AM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 10:22:47 AM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - c_blue 2/27/2002 11:07:17 AM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 11:09:35 AM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - jayhawk88 2/27/2002 11:12:59 AM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 1:08:15 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 1:21:11 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 1:34:24 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 4:04:43 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 4:37:44 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 7:41:42 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 7:59:17 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 2/28/2002 5:05:57 PM
threadRE: Why would you risk it?? - I.M. Anonymous 3/5/2002 12:47:34 AM
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 Cleaning the screen
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:53:23 AM

Is there any way, when opening up the screen, you can clean the inside of the screen. I am asking this because somehow dust particles got inside the screen, and aren't coming out when I clean the screen. If i take off the screen, will directly be able to clean the screen?

threadRE: Cleaning the screen - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 11:05:02 AM
threadRE: Cleaning the screen - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 2:50:41 PM
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 Replacement m500's
Posted by: jayhawk88 @ 2/27/2002 11:13:53 AM

Here where I work, we bought about 60 m500's for a group of students this past fall. Maybe 25% of them have reported this USB sync error at some point. I've had most of them try the drain fix, which has worked, but some have seen the problem reappear again.

Does anyone know if this problem is limited to certain earlier m500's? Do the replacement m500's, or m500's currently being sold, not exhibit this issue? We have another group of students coming in very soon, and while the m500's are great for them when they work, I'm kind of nervous about recommending them again if this problem is just going to show up again with the new batch. Has Palm ever said for sure what's up with this?

threadRE: Replacement m500's - Denton 2/27/2002 11:26:47 AM
threadRE: Replacement m500's - Ou_Boet 2/27/2002 12:04:56 PM
threadRE: Replacement m500's - jayhawk88 2/27/2002 12:19:39 PM
threadRE: Replacement m500's - I.M. Anonymous 3/1/2002 9:45:05 AM
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 Question about replacements
Posted by: PalmPowered @ 2/27/2002 1:02:09 PM

Are the replacement units Palm sends out actually new or are they sending "refurbished" models? Seems if they are you might just be getting someone else's problems. Also, if I had to send one in today, would they send me back a 505 or replace it with a 515 since they are supposedly discontinuing the 505.

-If you only knew the power of the Palm side-
threadRE: Question about replacements - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 7:34:38 PM
threadRE: Question about replacements - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 11:48:20 PM
threadRE: Question about replacements - I.M. Anonymous 2/28/2002 10:21:15 AM
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 Support link
Posted by: gcastell @ 2/27/2002 1:14:05 PM

I went to the palm support site and I didn't found any reference to the USB problem, anybody knows the exact link?

thanks

Gabriel

threadRE: Support link - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 2:52:02 PM
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 The simple alternative
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 1:30:06 PM

I posted this a few moons ago. This simple alternative is to do a full triple reset back to back. Keep the manual reset button pressed util everything dissapears from the screen each time. Worked for me and someone else.

Hopefully it will work for you.

Taqi

threadRE: The simple alternative - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 3:18:45 PM
threadRE: The simple alternative - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 4:28:16 PM
threadRE: The simple alternative - I.M. Anonymous 2/28/2002 12:55:35 PM
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 How do they know the device has been opened?
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 4:39:46 PM

Anyone know if they can positively tell that the case has been opened? I mean, is there some label that gets peeled off, some switch that is activated, or are they checking torque on the hex screwes or something?

Anyone send in an open device for a warranty fix and had them send it back saying the device had been opened?

Just curious.


threadRE: How do they know the device has been opened? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 7:01:23 PM
threadRE: How do they know the device has been opened? - Denton 2/27/2002 7:07:50 PM
threadRE: How do they know the device has been opened? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 7:45:38 PM
threadRE: How do they know the device has been opened? - Denton 2/27/2002 11:56:29 PM
threadRE: How do they know the device has been opened? - I.M. Anonymous 2/28/2002 4:51:21 AM
threadRE: How do they know the device has been opened? - I.M. Anonymous 2/28/2002 8:43:04 AM
threadRE: How do they know the device has been opened? - Denton 2/28/2002 9:42:10 AM
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 whats the point of this?
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 6:12:12 PM

why post an article about something which CLEARLY resets the registers in the same method the battery drain fix does? i understand it takes less time, but it kills ur warranty

threadRE: whats the point of this? - I.M. Anonymous 2/27/2002 7:02:35 PM
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 I wonder if this will be fixed in the M515...
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:23:12 PM

I sure hope this design has been changed in the M515.

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 Torx driver size
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 5:11:10 AM

Here's a weird one: I purchased my m505 in May 2001. It's USA made. I have since tried numerous times at numerous stores to find a torx driver which will fit my torx screws. Get this: a size 6 is too big - it will absolutely definitely NOT fit into any of the screws - and a 5 is too small - it has so much extra room when placed into the screw head that it will not properly seat enough to provide leverage to turn the screw. Anyone else seen this? Got any ideas how I can solve this? It's as if I need a torx size 5.5, if there is such a thing. Anyone?

As for the T6x40mm Torx screw driver mentioned in the article, where, please, what it obtained? I'll try it, if I can find it. Thx.

threadRE: Torx driver size - I.M. Anonymous 2/28/2002 6:52:47 AM
threadRE: Torx driver size - Denton 2/28/2002 7:58:47 AM
threadRE: Torx driver size - I.M. Anonymous 2/28/2002 8:18:23 AM
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 IBM WorkPad
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 8:29:26 AM

I have the same problem using my IBM WorkPAD C 505. Is the same model of Palm M 505. IŽve called to IBM Brazil asking about my problems and solutions to solve it. They said me to wait 10 days. **** it!!!! IŽll solve my problem by myself!!!! **** YOU BIG BLUE!!!!

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 SUDS Problem Origin
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 11:38:21 AM

This is unverified, but it seems like the SUDS (Suddenly Usb Doesn't Sync) problem comes about after repeatedly placing the unit on the (powered) cradle while the unit is ON. I have taken to making sure the unit is OFF when placing or removing the unit onto the cradle.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

KG

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 Palm Replacement
Posted by: PIC mobile user @ 3/18/2002 1:18:41 PM

My m500 suddenly stopped synching for what I later learned was this reason. Palm was pretty good about getting me a replacement. So far it has worked fine and was in good condition. But I am still using the serial cradle (works OK) I went out to buy while I awaited replacement.
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