1) `MIRACLE CURES` SPARK FURY (Sunday Life)
2) Resurrection Man German pastor `bought unborn baby back to life & Crues star backs preacher Bonnke (Sunday Life Part Two)
3) MINISTER HIT OUT AT BONNKE CLAIMS (Newsletter)
4) ARE THE MIRACLES CLAIMS OF REINHARD BONNKE REALLY TRUE?
`MIRACLE CURES` SPARK FURY

A German evangelist, who boasts that cancer victims, the blind and disabled are healed at his crusades, is under fire over plans to visit Ulster. A Free Presbyterian minister last night branded Renihard Bonnke`s claim as "Blasphemous", accusing the preacher of "cruel exploitation" But over 15,000 tickets have been already been snapped up for controversial Bonnke`s Odyssey Arena, next month. Bonnke claims Biblical style miracles at his crusades, saying: "When I step on a platform, often without any touch of mine the blind begin to see, the death to hear, the dumb to speak and the cripples to walk.
`Miracle` man `s Bizarre Show Comes To Ulster

Top local preacher hits Out
BONNKE`S miracle claims have been described as "blasphemous" by a leading Free Presbyterian cleric. The Rev David McIlveen accused the German evangelist of cruelly exploiting vulnerable people. "We believe in the possibility of healing through prayer," said Rev McIlveen. "But we also fully recognise the terrible danger of exploiting the subject of healing. "It's a tragedy that it has become a business which exploits. It is very sad. It is not Biblical," added the minister, a close aide to Dr Ian Paisley. And he expressed anger at Bonnke`s boast that, whenever he stood on platforms across the world, "the blind begin to see, the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak, and the cripples to walk".
"It is blasphemous," said Rev McIlveen. The minister believed Jesus used miracles to impress upon people his powers, but once Jesus ascended to Heaven, miracles no longer happened in the same way. He said Bonnke and similar preachers emphasised the physical and distracted from the true spiritual message of the gospel.
Evangelist Who Claims He Can heal the sick
Claims: Bonnke claims to heal
This is Herr Bonnke in his own words, claiming the sick and disables are healed in his wake. "When I step in a platform in Africa or India or anywhere else, often without any touch of mine the blind being to see, the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak, and the cripples to walk, and those driven to madness by clinging spirits of evil are released. "It is not psychology, for babies are healed, even in the womb." Bonnke makes the claim this month on his CfaN website. Another website report about a recent Bonnke crusade in Africa declares: "The healing power of numbers reported evidence of the miraculous & Miracles happened as if copied from the gospels and the book of Acts." Bonnke`s `power phrase`, which he urges his followers to say out loud is: The IMMOVEABLE is now MOVEABLE!; The IMPOSSIBLE is now POSSIBLE; The INCURABLE is now CURABLE!"
`Miracles happened as if copied from the gospels`
A CONTROVERSIAL German evangelist, who boasts God uses him to heal the terminally ill, the blind and the disabled is bring his roadshow to Ulster. So-called miracle worker Reinhard Bonnke has booked three nights Belfast's centre - which can seat up to 10,000. And his organisation - Christ for all Nations (CfaN) - says 5,000 seats for each night of the crusade have already been snapped up. But Bonnke`s act was exposed in a recent TV documentary, which highlighted his treatment of the poor and sick at a mass rally in Nigeria.
The film showed the evangelist
making claims that he can, through God's power, rid them of polio, breast
cancer, blindness, deafness, tuberculosis and other serious conditions. Bonnke
even claims that "supernatural reconstructive surgery" healed a little boy,
who was born with a defect in his genital area. He has offices worldwide,
but his work in Africa, where he often preaches to excited crowds of over
500,000. But Bonnke`s miracle claims have sparked outrage and disgust among
more orthodx Religious leaders.
Critic: Rabbi Kushner slams Bonnke
One American religious leader said
of Bonnke and other so-called miracle workers: " I hope God has a special
place in hell for people who try to enrich themselves on the suffering of
others"
Rabbi Harold Kushner, author of the best selling book, `When Bad Things Happen
to Good People`, added: "To tantalise the blind, the lame, the dying, the
afflicted, the terminally ill, or to dangle hope before the parents of a severely
afflicted child is an indescribably cruel thing to do. "To do it in the name
of God, to do it in the name of religion is, I think, unforgivable," said
the Massachusetts based Rabbi, who himself suffered the loss of a degenerative
disease.
And Joseph Hough, President of the Union Theology Seminary in New York, also hit out, saying he felt great hurt for people who were deluded by such so-called healers at mass rallies. "It breaks your heart to know they are being deceived. They are genuinely hoping and believing. They'll leave there thinking if they don't get a miracle it is because they didn't believe enough. The religious leaders made their comments on the recent documentary, `Miracles`, which highlighted the work of Bonnke and another charismatic preacher. But CfaN were furious over film makers Antony Thomas` programme.
"The programme was made by one man (Thomas) with a particular view. He used the material in a particular way & it was a manipulative piece of journalism," claimed CfaN spokesman, Penny Thompson. "It was not a balanced programme." She claimed that praying for the sick only represented a "small part" of Reinhard Bonnke`s crusade, adding: "We are not a healing ministry." But CfaN own website is full of claims of the miracles and photographs of people patently cured of illnesses. Bonnke claimed 78 miracles happened at the crusade in Nigeria. And on stage he was filmed shouting: "In the name of Jesus be healed from polio" and "all cancers I curse in the name of Jesus.
Praying For an e-miracle
HERR BONNKE claims you don't have to meet him to seek a miracle - you can e-mail your request to him! And it is not just your health but your finances and marriage that can be healed. The evangelist invites web browsers to gift between $35 and $250 to his Christ for all Nations ministry for the miracle. Browsers are asked: "Do you need a miracle of HEALING in your body & in your emotions & in some areas of your life and circumstances? "Do you know someone who could use a supernatural bolt of healing power to surge through their being &" "LET US PRAY FOR YOUR HEALING MIRACLE!" says Bonnke. Donations - "if the Lord leads you to do so" - can be made by credit card or cheque.
`We want miracles`
A TV film captured the heartbreaking
scene backstage at one of Bonnke`s crusades as the serious ill pleaded to
meet the miracle man. In the words of the filmmaker, the sick were "auditioned
for their performance value". One of Bonnke`s aides was filmed telling an
ill man: We want miracles, we want healing. We don't want somebody that wants
to be prayed for to be healed & We want people to see that God can heal.
We want only those that the miracle has been performed already." The desperate
people who were barred from the stage tried again and again to show that God
has rewarded their faith with a miracle. Meanwhile, Bonnke`s men tried summoning
up the power of God to induce miraculous recoveries.
On the stage an old man desperate to prove he can see again is seen grasping at a handkerchief being waved by Bonnke. But film maker Antony Thomas said it later emerged that the old man had never actually been blind. Penny Thompson of Bonnke`s CfaN organisation, which has offices in England, admitted that the back stage section of the film had been "distressing", but claimed it had been misleading. She said that during the crusade a large area is set aside, where doctors and CfaN counsellors examine those wanting to be healed. The people are examined to avoid false claims. "We are trying to see if people are being healed. "It is done because we don't want to do what he (film maker Thomas) accuses us of." Penny Thompson added: "I'm very sorry that he chose to misrepresent Reinhard.
And she claimed her boss was a
very solid guy". "Everything that Reinhard does is based in scripture, " she
said, adding that "enormous benefits flowed from the crusades". " In Lagos,
the appalling levels of violent crime have dropped since our crusade last
year. That information has come from official police sources. Whole countries
do change," she added.
Preacher versus witch doctor
REINHARD Bonnke was dubbed "the voodoo priest" in a recent TV documentary which focused on the so-called miracle worker. For Bonnke claimed that a witch doctor was struck down with a severe asthma attack after he whispered Hallelujah! To him. Antony Thomas, who wrote and directed the recent TV documentary `Miracles`, believes Bonnke is popular in Africa because he taps into the continents old religious and superstitions. "Bonnke is the `voodoo priest`, casting spells on his enemies and summoning up good and evil spirits as he dances to the beat of the drum," said Thomas.
Bonnke, who speaks in a thick German accent, told a 500,000 crowd in Nigeria how he was too powerful for the witch doctors. "One day, four witch doctors came to my meeting. They came together, they said `oh! oh! oh! Bonnke is powerful, we cannot curse him`. "These four witches called by telephone to America, to the biggest witch in California. They said (to the witch), we will give you a fist class ticket if you come to Africa to curse Bonnke." Wiping sweat from his eyes and becoming ever more animated, Bonnke continued: " I said, as I always do, one little Hallelujah! "And as God is my witness, that one little Hallelujah! Was enough. " At the same moment that I said `Hallelujah!`, the witch from America got a severe asthma attack.!" The huge crowd greeted Bonnke`s claim with ecstatic cheers. At the end of the open air rally in Benin City, 15 people were killed in a crush. According to the TV film and a report in Christianity Today, the victims died in a crowd stampede at the end of the opening night or the five night event.
But Penny Thompson of Bonnke`s CfaN group, said the trouble happened well away from the event, and was sparked by attacks on women by hooligans. The following night the father of a child killed in the tragedy tried to bring the body on stage, desperately hoping Bonnke could revive the child. The next night, the distraught man placed the dead child on the bonnet of Bonnke`s Mercedes, in the hope of a miracle.
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Resurrection Man
German pastor `bought unborn baby back to life
( Article by: Stephen Gordon Sunday Life May 27 2001 )
Belfast- Bound `miracle man`
Reinhard Bonnke has claimed a latter day `resurrection` during one of his
African crusades. The controversial German evangelist, who boasts God uses
him to heal cancer victims, the blind and disabled has added a resurrection
to the list if Biblical-style miracles at his religious rallies. Bonnke makes
the claim in a report on his April 2000 crusade in Khartoum, Sudan. The report
on his Christ for all Nations website is headlined `Resurrection power in
action`.
A women, whose baby had died in her womb and was to be removed the next Monday,
wept with joy as her child suddenly jerked to life - it will be born soon,"
readers are told. The "flood" of other miracles at Khartoum included, according
to Bonnke: " A women with bent and twisted legs found they had straightened.
A women who for 10 years had always to be carried, stood and walked for all
to see. "Notable miracles restored the blind, death and crippled like a flood.
It stunned those present, and, indeed, the news stunned the whole city as
if Jesus Christ had visibly descended into Green Square.
Bonnke`s reports added: "This was all new in Khartoum & The news ran through
the city and attendances leaped to 85,000, then 150,000 and upwards to 210,000.
Herr Bonnke regularly claims such miracles at his crusades the Third World.
He claimed God worked 78 miracles in one night during his crusade in Benin
City, Nigeria. CfaN also boasted "spectacular healing sessions at Bonnke`s
rallies in the west African coastal city of Calabar.
"As always, the Word was confirmed by signs, more than could possibly be mentioned
here. "By a Word of Knowledge, Reinhard called a woman out with a tumour of
the womb, and that tumour instantly disappeared. "Mr Imoh Isong, blind for
five years, instantly saw again, and so did many afflicted men and women.
Deafness and crippling conditions gave way before the power of Jesus."
And Sunday Life revealed last week how Herr Bonnke`s American website is offering
miracles by e-mail. The evangelist invites readers of his CfaN website to
e-mail their request for a "supernatural bolt of healing power", saying "let
us pray for you healing miracle". He suggests the miracle request be accompanied
by a gift to his ministry of between 35 US dollars and 250 US dollars "if
the Lord leads you to do so."
Crues star backs preacher Bonnke
TOP Irish League soccer star Stephen Baxter says he fully supports controversial
evangelist Reinhard Bonnke`s visit to Ulster. The Crusaders striker - a prominent
member of the Elm Pentecostal church - says he will be leading 200 young people
from his Bangor church to see German preacher, at the Odyssey Arena. Already
over 15,000 tickets have been sold for Bonnke`s three appearances on June
21,22 and 23. Baxter was among a group of local Pentecostal churches leaders
who met representatives of Bonnke`s Christ for all Nations (CfaN) ministry
at the Culloden Hotel, as they prepared the ground for the evangelist visit.
He says CfaN were launching the crusades at the meeting and were warmly received by local church people. " We are behind the trip and behind what will happen on the trip, I'm sure," said the Crusaders star. Sunday Life last week quoted Free Presbyterian minister David McIlveen angrily denouncing Bonnke`s flood of healing miracle claims as "blasphemous". Baxter responded to that comment, saying: "I think that is contentious. "You've got to be careful & because you should never underestimate the power of Christ. "Yes, you should always look into things & but when asking God for a miracle, you should never be quick to say this can't happen. Of Bonnke`s claim that a dead unborn child was resurrected in the womb at one of the crusades, Baxter replied: " I've heard these stories, I believe it is possible. If Christ wants to do it, if Christ can form this universe, who are we to question Him. But the soccer star believes recent media reports have put too much emphasis on the healing side of Bonnke`s work, saying the evangelist's main purpose was to preach salvation.
He said he fully understood concerns that people may be given false hope,
through claims of miracle healing. And he stressed that he did not speak on
behalf of Reinhard Bonnke. "But what I would say is, when Christ does move
upon someone's life in healing, I believe it can be done. He quoted a Christian
friend whose wife had defied doctors by recovering from cancer after being
told she had only two weeks to live. "They have fully trusted in the healing
power of Christ, and she is still here five years later. "Can these things
happen? My answer is that I believe it is happening. I also believe there
are people who aren't cured. " I don't have the answer as to why some are
cured and others not."
The footballer was also critical of a recent TV documentary, which focused
Bonnke`s healing claims. "I felt it was harshly dealt with (in the TV film),
possible one-sided." Baxter added: "If Reinhard Bonnke comes and preaches
the Word of God & if it is not of God, will be exposed."
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Minister hit out at Bonnke claims

By Gemma Murray
News Letter (Belfast) May 21st
A German evangelist who claims to heal cancer victims, the blind and the disabled through God's power, has been branded "blasphemous" by a Free Presbyterian minister. Preacher Reinhard Bonnke, who is coming to Belfast next month, claims Biblical-style miracles at his crusades. He said: "When I step on a platform, often without any touch of mine, the blind begin to see, the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak and the cripples to walk, and those driven to madness by clinging spirits of evil are released. "It is not psychology, for babies are healed even in the womb."
More than 15,000 tickets have
already been snapped up for the three controversial rallies at Belfast's
Odyssey Arena in June. Free Presbyterian minister the Rev David Mcllveen,
has joined scores of clerics world-wide in blasting the self-pro-
fessed miracle worker for "cruelly exploiting vulnerable people". He said
that Reinhard Bonnke emphasised the physical and distracted from the true
spiritual message of the gospels. "We believe in the possibility of healing
through prayer," he said. "But we also fully recognise the terrible danger
of exploiting the subject of healing. "It's a tragedy that it has become
a business which exploits. It is very sad. It is not Biblical."
The self-professed miracle worker
and his organisation - Christ for all Nations - was exposed in a recent
TV documentary which dubbed him "the voodoo priest" and highlighted his
treatment of the poor and sick at a mass rally in Nigeria. The film showed
the evangelist making claims that he can rid "believers" of polio, breast
cancer, blindness, deafness, tuberculosis and other serious conditions.
He has offices world-wide but is best known for his work in Africa where
he often preaches to excited crowds of over 500,000. Reinhard's Bonnke's
claims have for many years sparked
widespread outrage and disgust in America. One American religious leader
said: "I hope God has a special place in hell for people who try to enrich
themselves on the suffering of others." Rabbi Harold Kushner, author of
a best-selling book, When Bad Things Happen to Good People, said: "To tantalise
the blind, the lame, the dying, the afflicted, the terminally ill, or to
dangle hope before the parents of a severely afflicted child is an indescribably
cruel thing to do. "To do it in the name of God, or to do it in the name
of religion is, I think, unforgiveable."
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ARE THE MIRACLES CLAIMS OF REINHARD BONNKE REALLY TRUE?
Reinhard Bonnke makes many incredible miracle claims but are these miracle claims really true? So called miracle claims are two a penny today, in fact many of the various cults, witch doctors, psychic surgeons, and New Age healers also make the same kind of miracle claims as Reinhard Bonnke. Even an advert in a newspaper promoting a miracle pen had with it a number of 'documented' healings.
Anyhow back to Reinhard Bonnke as he is different, he claims Biblical style miracles at his crusades, saying: "When I step on a platform, often without any touch of mine the blind begin to see, the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak and the cripples to walk &" and "Miracles happened as if copied from the gospels and the book of Acts". The crusade chairman in Onitsha, Nigeria boosts "We know that when Reinhard Bonnke comes to preach, we will see the.... healing power of God in action". At Bonnke's crusades he reports "Each [person at the crusade] was expecting the miracle that would transform their lives; they looked desperate enough to pursue it - to grab it by force if necessary.... the healing power of God flowed each day as countless numbers reported evidence of the miraculous".
However when pressed for proof of this 'healing power of God' and the 'biblical style miracles', there is DEAD SILENCE and no help from his ministry, in fact they refuse to listen to those who question these claims.
Local footballer Stephen Baxter a prominent member of the apostate Bangor Elim Pentecostal Church will be leading 200 young people to Bonnke s Crusade. Baxter like many Pentecostals uses the straw man argument of You ve got to be careful & because you should never underestimate the power of Christ. Yes, you should always look into things & but when asking God for a miracle you should never be quick to say this can t happen.
Christians like myself do not doubt or underestimate the power of God to heal. We believe that God can and does heal according to His will. Christians should seek God in prayer for healing of those who are sick. However the Bible teaches that if one is sick he, is to call the elders of the local church to come and let them [the elders] pray for him, not run of to a Bonnke crusade. [James 5:13-15]
Of Bonnke`s claim that a dead unborn child was resurrected in the womb at one of the crusades, Baxter replied: " I've heard these stories, I believe it is possible. If Christ wants to do it, if Christ can form this universe, who are we to question Him.
We Christians are not questioning the healing power of the Lord Jesus Christ, but rather the miracle claims of Bonnke and there is a difference. Do Bonnke s miracles line up with the biblical record? Do they match up with the gospels and the book of Acts?
The Lord Jesus Christ never made the incredible miracle claims that Bonnke makes. Jesus Christ shunned acclaim and let his miracles speak for themselves; proving that He was who he said he was the Messiah, the Almighty God, the Saviour of the World and that His message was from God. When Jesus Christ healed it had a purpose, healing was instant and the healings were abundant even without requiring the physical presence of Jesus. Jesus Christ was able to heal at anyplace, anytime, anywhere, whether their was faith or not, and his healings were undeniable even to his critics, and never was there any appeal for money.
Jesus Christ could heal all manner
of sickness and diseases using different methods with the results irreversible,
never turning anyone away at his unarranged meetings. To sum up Jesus Christ
healings, Richard Mayhue in his book The Healing Promise writes that
the miracles of Jesus Christ were undeniable, successful, spectacular,
without any recovery
period, permanent, overwhelming, abundant, awesome, instant, [and] authoritative,
without limitations, total, and convincing all without any major medical
attention that could possibly have taken credit for healing in any way.
Bonnke is the opposite of Jesus Christ a showman and storyteller often boasting of HIS power, promoting himself and marketing his miracles to collect money. Bonnke mesmerises and charms his audience before working them into frenzy at his crusades, with them shaking their heads uncontrollably, while speaking non-stop in other tongues. .
Bonnke s healings only take place at certain times under certain conditions at prearranged meetings, with the healings coming for no real apparent reason or purpose. The healings he claims are spurious, and deniable, and his critics have proven without a doubt that he is a fraud, a trickster even claiming healings that are not healings at all. To sum up Bonnke s miracles we would say they are spurious, bogus, deniable, unspectacular, sparse, unconvincing, limited, pathetic and laughable .
In the April Telegraph Revival
Report CFAN claim that "Locals brought sacks full of witchcraft items to
the crusade grounds for burning each night" and John Darku commented, "This
is the greatest number of witchcraft items we have ever seen. People surrendered
their idols by the sack full.... we started burning the witchcraft items
from the second night of the conference, when Reinhard preached on the Blood
of Jesus and took authority over the powers of the enemy. The strongholds
in the city were demolished and the people released &. Looking at the
crowds, it was if fire from heaven had fallen on top of each head and burning
hot coals had suddenly been rolled onto the tip of each tongue. The fire
seemed intense - almost excruciating - judging by the painful expressions
on many faces.
The fire caused many people to shake their heads uncontrollably, while speaking non-stop in other tongues".
These kinds of manifestations cannot be found in the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ or the Apostles and are more at home in the world of the occult.
Why then do so many people follow after the likes of Bonnke? Why suchcrowds? (CfaN) say "Miracles? Well, signs and wonders " Anthony Thomas, who wrote and directed the recent TV documentary `Miracles`, believes Bonnke is popular in Africa because he taps into the continents old religious and superstitions. "Bonnke is the `voodoo priest`, casting spells on his enemies and summoning up good and evil spirits as he dances to the beat of the drum," said Thomas'. However again another instance in which Bonnke is out of tune with the Bible as Jesus Christ commanded his servants not to curse their enemies but to "love their enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you".
Stephen Baxter feels that the Anthony documentary, which focused on Bonnke s healing claims was possibly one sided and that the media reports have put to much emphasis on the healing side of Bonnke s work, saying that the evangelist s main purpose was to preach salvation.
Baxter is wrong; miracle claims
are at the very heart of Bonnke s ministry, as the (CfaN) Telegram monthly
Revival Report proves. Bonnke does claim to preach the "full gospel", however
there is no "full gospel" or "half gospel" only the true gospel which Paul
preached..."I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you....
wherein ye stand; by
which also ye are saved.... how that Christ died for our sins according
to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
day according to the scriptures" [1 Cor 15:1-4].
The 'full gospel' that Bonnke
preaches is a gospel full of errors, the false Word/Faith gospel mixed in
with Toronto Blessing style antics. Bonnke has been around the Word-Faith
revival movement since its inception. Bonnke s gospel message is devoid
of any real preaching on the cross or on "sin, righteousness and judgement
to come", but filled with
fables and false miracle claims, that are hard to believe and which he most
surely has made up? Even what little truth he may present is lost in a sea
of error. "Raise your hands and wave to me if you want to receive Jesus
Christ," proclaims Bonnke at his crusades totally unaware that Jesus Christ
or the Apostle made no such appeals. One wonders what Jesus these people
are coming to, as those at the crusades hang on Bonnke's every word mesmerised
and charmed by the figure on the platform?
The truth is this, Bonnke has "another gospel" which is not another and he comes under the curse of Paul in Gal 1:6-10.
Jesus Christ warned his believers to TAKE HEED and BEWARE because in the latter times many false prophets, WOLFS IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING doing 'signs and wonders' in His name, would arise and deceive MANY.
Paul wrote in his epistles "Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." Who were Jannes and Jambres? Two atheists? No magicians in Pharaohs court who could up to a point duplicate the miracles of God with their tricks. The clear answer is that what we see with Bonnke is the same thing only he does it in the name of Jesus.
The sad truth is that the church has long wearied of sound biblical teaching as the Apostle Paul foretold, turning their ears away from the truth and heaping to themselves teachers like Bonnke who will tell what they want to hear, rather that what they need to hear. The only solution is for the church to reject and root out these false teachers like Bonnke whose folly has been manifested, and return the flock back to the truth of God s word and the true gospel of Christ and Him crucified.
May God Help us!
Recommend Reading: 'The Healing
Promise' by Richard Mayhue
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