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Pope beatifies last Austro-Hungarian emperor (aka chemical Charles I)
AFP ^ | October 3, 2004

Posted on 10/03/2004 8:31:14 AM PDT by Truth666

VATICAN CITY : Pope John Paul II on Sunday beatified the last Austro-Hungarian emperor, Charles I, and a German mystic whose visions inspired Mel Gibson's controversial film "The Passion of the Christ".

The move brings the Habsburg emperor, who is remembered in Austria for authorising the use of mustard gas during World War I, and mystic Anna Katharina Emmerick one step from sainthood.

"I hope Emperor Charles will serve as an example, especially for those with political responsibilities in Europe today," the pope said during an open-air ceremony in Saint Peter's Square that was attended by 30,000 worshippers, including around 1,000 members of the Habsburg dynasty.

The pope also conferred the status of "blessed", the penultimate step to full sainthood, on two Frenchmen and an Italian nun.

Habsburg emperor Charles I became heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian empire on June 28, 1914, following the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand, which historians say was the spark that ignited World War I. He was made emperor in November 1916 and crowned apostolic King of Hungary a month later.

His official biography, published by the Vatican, says he was committed to peace and was the only political leader to support Pope Benedict XV's peace efforts.

But his beatification has caused controversy in Austria, where Charles I is remembered for authorising the use of mustard gas during World War I and where critics believe his elevation to be politically driven by the conservative right.

The Austrian press has ridiculed not only the emperor's political record but the miracle he allegedly produced to merit beatification. According to the Vatican, he cured a Brazilian nun of varicose veins after doctors had given up all hope for her.


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: BRIBERY; CHARLESI; POPE
As the still young XX Century saw weapons of mass destruction enterting the scene, the usage of the most terrifying of all at that time, was proihibited in 1907, by the War Convention of The Hague.
Notice how the article associates "conservative right" with the use of chemical weapons.
1 posted on 10/03/2004 8:31:15 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
But his beatification has caused controversy in Austria, where Charles I is remembered for authorising the use of mustard gas during World War I and where critics believe his elevation to be politically driven by the conservative right.
The Austrian press has ridiculed not only the emperor's political record but the miracle he allegedly produced to merit beatification. According to the Vatican, he cured a Brazilian nun of varicose veins after doctors had given up all hope for her.

The Austrian press (aka socialism-o-rama, secularism-a-gogo) is negative against the Catholic Church? I am SHOCKED, appalled and totally surprised!!!

< sarcasm >

2 posted on 10/03/2004 8:35:32 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: Truth666

I noticed the same thing right off. Also I noticed the:

"was the only political leader to support Pope Benedict XV's peace efforts"

That line is rather timely also.


3 posted on 10/03/2004 8:37:22 AM PDT by sierrahome
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To: Truth666

Read the article, read the comments. WHO HAS THE FACTS? Please post references. Thanks


4 posted on 10/03/2004 8:41:51 AM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: Henchman

A very detailed report of usage of gas grenades: the wonder of Krafreitag - use google to translate
http://www.wienerzeitung.at/frameless/lexikon.htm?ID=955


5 posted on 10/03/2004 8:49:00 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

Surely, there are volumes of books to read on this Emperor Charles I, http://members.fortunecity.se/mikaelxii/ww1/Austria/charles.html ; let alone the history of WW I, to properly understand the subject being discussed.

The comment by Truth666 seems to involve this excerpt from the story:

"But his beatification has caused controversy in Austria, where Charles I is remembered for authorising the use of mustard gas during World War I and where critics believe his elevation to be politically driven by the conservative right."

Maybe the paragraph should be broken into two sentences.

I would wager, his elevation is driven more by the church, rather than the conservative right.

I forget all of my Saints now, I believe there may have been a Priest from Hungary that helped out many oppressed in World War II.

This is a very interesting article because everyone knows a lot about the history of WW II, but not of "the war to end all wars" except for the slight spillover in relations to recent Balkans conflicts.


6 posted on 10/03/2004 8:53:32 AM PDT by roadrunner96
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To: Truth666
The move brings the Habsburg emperor, who is remembered in Austria for authorising the use of mustard gas during World War I,...

Mustard gas was introduced by Germany at Ypres on the Westrern Front.

History paints a different picture of Emperor Karl I :

"...by the death of Franz Josef in late 1916; he became Austrian Emperor (Kaiser) on 21 November, and King of Hungary on 30 December. Acutely aware that Austria-Hungary's entry into the First World War (having essentially brought it about) was likely to prove the undoing of the empire, Karl quickly sought a means of negotiating a separate peace with the allies. ....................Regarded as weak by both political extremes, left and right, Karl nonetheless drew support from political moderates. Karl responded with the appointed of a succession of liberal, reformist prime ministers, pretty much reflecting his own views. Similarly determined to reform the army, Karl banned flogging, ended duels, called a halt to strategic bombing and limited the widespread use of poison gas; which served merely to infuriate his high command.

7 posted on 10/03/2004 8:54:07 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Truth666

I am still trying to find who gave a man authority to pronounce anybody a "saint".


8 posted on 10/03/2004 8:59:41 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Polybius
History paints a different picture of Emperor Karl I
Does that mean that "history is written by the victorious" isn't true ?
9 posted on 10/03/2004 9:00:26 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

Good grief!


10 posted on 10/03/2004 9:02:59 AM PDT by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: Truth666

I would not necessarily accept the spin of AFP on Charles I, or any other topic, for that matter. Of course AFP would be out to slam anyone they saw as being on the right.


11 posted on 10/03/2004 9:07:23 AM PDT by speedy
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To: Truth666
History paints a different picture of Emperor Karl I

Does that mean that "history is written by the victorious" isn't true ?

Victors often give honor to an honorable foe.


Members of the Australian Flying Corps firing a gun salute at Baron von Richthofen's funeral, Bertangles Cemetery, France, 22 April 1918.

12 posted on 10/03/2004 9:12:40 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Truth666

I wonder where "Chemical Charles I", AKA comes from in this story and placed in the caption? A reference would be welcomed.

I've started looking at other coverage of this same story.

Seems AFP could have mentioned the name of the German Mystic, a woman in fact, named Anna Emerick. If they mention Mel Gibson's movie, couldn't they at least mention her name.

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=59147 Is the Catholic Press, I believe.


13 posted on 10/03/2004 9:28:10 AM PDT by roadrunner96
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To: Just mythoughts
I am still trying to find who gave a man authority to pronounce anybody a "saint".

Of course the biblical definition of saint is anyone who trusts in Christ Jesus.

Too bad Rome's traditions are more authoritative to it than holy scripture.

14 posted on 10/03/2004 9:45:32 AM PDT by AnalogReigns ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. ")
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To: sierrahome
That line is rather timely also.

Why do you think the Vatican sainted him? Because he cured a Brazilian nun of varicose veins??? No, because of its agenda.

The Vatican knows there has never been a single documented miracle associated with this fellow, ever. The just invented one when it was politically convenient to invent another "saint."

Makes you wonder how often this sort of thing occurs. More often than some Catholics would like to admit, I'd imagine.

This isn't the first time JP2 has gone against tradition, saintswise--he beatified Mama T before she had been dead long enough.

It's funny to watch Catholics defend their mystical, complicated rules when their own Pope violates them on a political whim.

15 posted on 10/03/2004 9:56:24 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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The Polish Pontif has confronted both World War II and the Communist Empire; I would not forget this.

On another note, this has shades of, now I remember, Cardinal Stephanic of Croatia being elevated.

One would need to study the issue.


16 posted on 10/03/2004 10:11:33 AM PDT by roadrunner96
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Surely, there are volumes of books to read on this Emperor Charles I, ... let alone the history of WW I, to properly understand the subject being discussed.

I disagree. There's no need to spend too much time to understand World War I o Charles I.
Here is one of the best entry points :
The Battle of Verdun is considered the greatest and lengthiest in world history. Never before or since has there been such a lengthy battle, involving so many men, situated on such a tiny piece of land. The battle, which lasted from 21 February 1916 until 19 December 1916 caused over an estimated 700,000 casualties (dead, wounded and missing). The battlefield was not even a square ten kilometres. From a strategic point of view there can be no justification for these atrocious losses.
17 posted on 10/03/2004 10:12:24 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

Vericose vein bites can be nasty.


18 posted on 10/03/2004 1:08:56 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: Truth666

BTTT


19 posted on 10/03/2004 1:12:06 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: AnalogReigns

Too bad you possess such a poor knowledge of Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the history of Christianity. By the way, you do know that "saint" is found 56 times in the Old Testament, don't you? Also, what authority did Rome invoke when it added chapter and verse division and numbering, which weren't in the originals, to Sacred Scripture?


20 posted on 10/04/2004 1:04:49 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: AnalogReigns
Of course the biblical definition of saint is anyone who trusts in Christ Jesus. Too bad Rome's traditions are more authoritative to it than holy scripture.

I notice that (A) you've been called ignorant, which is the mandatory response to anyone who points out some anti-Biblical position held by The Church {tm}; and (B) your undeniable Biblical observation has not been countered.

Dan

21 posted on 10/19/2004 2:50:04 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/24/uk.devilworship/index.html A devil-worshipping sailor in the Royal Navy has become the first registered Satanist in the British Armed Forces. That allows him to perform satanic rituals aboard and permits him to have a non-Christian Church of Satan funeral should he be killed in action.
22 posted on 10/24/2004 3:31:16 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Fiddlstix

23 posted on 10/24/2004 5:28:11 PM PDT by Truth666
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Ping.


24 posted on 10/24/2004 7:58:02 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. + http://www.alamo-girl.com/)
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To: xm177e2; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; Canticle_of_Deborah; Maeve; Viva Christo Rey; glasgow

Firstly - to correct misunderstandings about Catholic saints - it is very true that anyone who in truth does follow Christ Jesus, to the point of going to heaven, is a saint in the broad sense, as Heaven is intended for God's saints.

When the Church elevates a person to the honors of the altar, it is in recognition of the virtues of that persons life.....heroic virtues. Being "named" a saint does not mean that you were absolutely 100% pefect in life. Far from it - read the lives of saints. Many of them were great sinners, who converted. Many had very great faults and blindnesses.

God does not call those who are perfect - they are already with him. He calls those who are imperfect to perfect themselves in the carrying of their crosses in life. The public recognition of a persons "sainthood" is the holding up of the exemplary aspects of that persons life for our emulation. It is also a recognition of the intercessory powers of the saints with God, on our behalf.

Blessed Karl of Hapsburg - this article to the contrary - was a very pious man in the conduct of his life. A perfect leader - perhaps not. But a profoundly Catholic one, who tried to live his faith as Emporer, yes!

WWI was a coordinated scam to destroy the Catholic civilization of Europe......that which we call Christendom. That was its purpose, plain and simple. To eliminate Catholic monarchies, and the socio-economic unity which was that civilisation. To make possible the advance of Communism - which, as can be clearly demonstrated via a trip to your local library, was funded by Wall Street financial interests.

It had nothing to do with idealism, and everything to do with money. And the goals of globalism. And the destruction of the Judeo-Christian moral basis of society.

Seeing and understanding all this, Blessed Karl stood in the path of the Anglo-American putsch of Catholic European society. He consistantly pleaded for peace - repeatedly - throughout the war, in concert with the Pope. Both were ignored.......as the goal was the destruction of his empire.

So, he sacrificed himself, in a manner of speaking, in trying to preserve for as long as possible the unity of his empire, while seeking humane treatment of the common man, and of his enemies. He demanded that his officers treat POWs with dignity and civility, attending to their needs.

To my mind, both as a Catholic, and as a decendant of the peoples of his Empire, he was a hero - and a saint.


25 posted on 10/25/2004 10:34:34 AM PDT by thor76 (Blessed Karl of Hapsburg, pray for us!)
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Quite obviously the saintliness of Blessed Karl of Habsburg offends those who despise Holy Mother the Church. Nothing new in that.

As to beatification rules, the pope is Supreme Legislator of Canon Law and, in that capacity, may alter or waive its provisions as in the case of Blessed Teresa of Calcutta as he sees fit.

TRUTH666: Since Roman Catholicism is evidently not your religion, why is this any of your business????? Run whatever church you may belong to as you or whoever may see fit. As to the RCC, mind your own business. We owe you no apologies or explanations.

26 posted on 10/25/2004 11:19:56 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: thor76; xm177e2; Truth666; narses; ninenot; GirlShortstop
Quite obviously the saintliness of Blessed Karl of Habsburg offends those who despise Holy Mother the Church. Nothing new in that.

As to beatification rules, the pope is Supreme Legislator of Canon Law and, in that capacity, may alter or waive its provisions as in the case of Blessed Teresa of Calcutta as he sees fit.

TRUTH666: Since Roman Catholicism is evidently not your religion, why is this any of your business????? Run whatever church you may belong to as you or whoever may see fit. As to the RCC, mind your own business. We owe you no apologies or explanations.

27 posted on 10/25/2004 11:20:26 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Truth666

Ultimate trilogy of satanic cerimonies, extending over a time period of exactly one month.
This was the first cerimony, at the very same city where the second took place today ...


28 posted on 10/29/2004 5:46:26 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Euro constitution signed, not sealed (666 one month trilogy; 2nd seal today)
29 posted on 10/29/2004 5:49:19 PM PDT by Truth666
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