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hugofrosch is offline Old Post 29-04-2004 01:45 PM
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CDV requests Brat Designs to publicize original material!

Dear Community,

In response to the high demand for he original BREED files, CDV Software Entertainment AG has decided to request the BREED developer Brat Designs to publicize all of the original material (naturally excluding EXE). All textures, levels, language versions, etc. can – from the eyes of the publisher – be immediately presented to the community without further consideration so that they can objectively draw their own conclusions.

As a matter of fact, the final master that Brat Designs delivered to CDV was considerably improved by CDV.

The fact is, from CDV’s point of view, we’re ultimately the ones who made this game even playable. The level that was delivered by Brat was, for the most part, not playable, the balancing practically nonexistent and even the textures were unsightly. The voice overs too had to be changed because the original files were so indecent that the USK (Germany’s age rating agency) would have intervened.

Finally, it’s now up to the community to form their own opinion – since everyone here who was involved is sure – and ascertain that in the long run it was due only to the massive input from the CDV BREED team that even made it possible to produce a playable action shooter.

Your BREED Team from CDV

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Re: CDV requests Brat Designs to publicize original material!

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In response to the high demand for he original BREED files, CDV Software Entertainment AG has decided to request the BREED developer Brat Designs to publicize all of the original material (naturally excluding EXE).

i.e. We've lost the original CD we were sent, so we'll rely on the developers to release the original stuff.

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All textures, levels, language versions, etc. can – from the eyes of the publisher – be immediately presented to the community without further consideration so that they can objectively draw their own conclusions.

That's all we wanted in the first place; the ability to play the original version of the game so we could compare it to the CDV-released version.

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As a matter of fact, the final master that Brat Designs delivered to CDV was considerably improved by CDV.

Personal and biased opinion. Leave it up to the players to decide.

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The fact is, from CDV’s point of view, we’re ultimately the ones who made this game even playable. The level that was delivered by Brat was, for the most part, not playable, the balancing practically nonexistent and even the textures were unsightly. The voice overs too had to be changed because the original files were so indecent that the USK (Germany’s age rating agency) would have intervened.

If things needed to be altered, you should've asked the developers to alter them, not alter them yourself. CDV is the publisher of the game, not the developer, as as such shouldn't be changing the game without consulting with Brat.

With regards to the textures, most people regard the ones in the Brat-produced demo to be far superior to the ones in the final game, as the game ones are too bright and the loss of bump-map detail makes everything too smooth.

With regards to the voice-overs, why change the English ones? Surely the USK wouldn't have a problem with the English ones, as only the German-language version of the game would be released in Germany. Besides, the USK wouldn't even be able to set the game rating in countries outside Germany.

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Finally, it’s now up to the community to form their own opinion – since everyone here who was involved is sure – and ascertain that in the long run it was due only to the massive input from the CDV BREED team that even made it possible to produce a playable action shooter.

Change of storyline, textures, missions, etc. alters the game. It doesn't neccessarily make it any more or less playable.

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Well, thanks for the information, Hugofrosch. It's certainly refreshing to hear something directly from CDV again. However, I'm anxious to see what Brat have to say to this.
I personally have no doubt that they'll gladly release the files, but we still don't have a confirmation from CDV on whether or not the released version is the one Brat had sent.

Still, thanks.

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Hehe, so dignified in defeat.

The fact that CDV won't allow Brat to release an exe to go with the rest of the content is interesting, as is the fact I just talked to Jason at Brat who had no idea about this request.

Considering he's a director at Brat you'd expect him to be informed by CDV of this, but no, they like to ignore their developer further.

MAdMaN also makes a good point - CDV have all the original material, so why don't they use it? Afraid it'd be that popular it'd eat up all their bandwidth perhaps?

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Great News.. Amazed the community actually managed to pull this off.

Cheers for the headsup MAnMaN

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MAdMaN also makes a good point - CDV have all the original material, so why don't they use it? Afraid it'd be that popular it'd eat up all their bandwidth perhaps?

Thus making them look even more incompetant when their website fails and sending their share price into minus figures.

And the reason they want to keep control over the executable is because they think that by bringing a properly functioning multiplayer to the game it'll put them back into our good books.

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Bit of a double edged sword really, surely if they don't release the original EXE that goes with the script files etc then it may not function correctly!

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So cdv are going to "request the BREED developer Brat Designs to publicize all of the original material (naturally excluding EXE)"

so that you the gaming commuanity can decide if the cdv version or the brat version is worse or better..

Well... just as im due to publish my finidings in a certain magazine this happens.... well the article is in print and you will read it up shortly..

But it seems like the threat of a leaked version on the net and the amazing pressure you guys here have put on cdv has made them sit up and take notice!!

I have to take my hat off to the members of this board who have countlessly posted and requested these files and have also helped members here with problems.

Prehaps now cdv are seeing the potential that breed ahs as a game and as a community.. maybe it has the possibility to become a halo killer in the near future , who knows..

But... i will say this.. if these files are not made available to you the community in the next few weeks i will without hesitation place all my files that i have on several servers and you may download them at your pleaseure and evaluate them.

I will confirm though that one version i have runs without any problems whatsoever and i have also had several days continuous multiplayer gameplay without shutdown.

as for the exe file.... i think that is something that also needs to be released as it is a part of the software that i am using..

so.. balls in your court now.. cdv.. brat..

wanna play??

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This will be interesting.

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Re: CDV requests Brat Designs to publicize original material!

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Originally posted by hugofrosch
Dear Community,

In response to the high demand for he original BREED files, CDV Software Entertainment AG has decided to request the BREED developer Brat Designs to publicize all of the original material (naturally excluding EXE). All textures, levels, language versions, etc. can – from the eyes of the publisher – be immediately presented to the community without further consideration so that they can objectively draw their own conclusions.

As a matter of fact, the final master that Brat Designs delivered to CDV was considerably improved by CDV.

The fact is, from CDV’s point of view, we’re ultimately the ones who made this game even playable. The level that was delivered by Brat was, for the most part, not playable, the balancing practically nonexistent and even the textures were unsightly. The voice overs too had to be changed because the original files were so indecent that the USK (Germany’s age rating agency) would have intervened.

Finally, it’s now up to the community to form their own opinion – since everyone here who was involved is sure – and ascertain that in the long run it was due only to the massive input from the CDV BREED team that even made it possible to produce a playable action shooter.

Your BREED Team from CDV



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Hi Hugo, surely such a big announcement could have been better made by Wolfgang, or is he too busy promoting Codename Panzers on other game publishers forums?

This sounds like a typical scam to me, you never get anything for free, remember chamberlain?? I hope Brat shows us the true Breed and puts our german friends to shame.

Maybe focussing on selling products instead of post production and interfering with a developers vision would provide more cash flow to stop the downfall of CDV stock market share values.

Remember CDV is a Publisher not a Developer. Although seeing the bad marketing schemes and poor sales results reported by your own webpage it maybe time for a change of career.

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Has the Coding of the .exe in the CDV release been altered by CDV programmers? If so Brat would have to be allowed a chance to release their own .exe.

A bit like saying... we have this petrol sportscar here but we only have diesel for you to run it on....

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Release an MP demo

It's almost impossible for me to understand why a publisher would want a game to be leaked. Next to this, requesting it from the developer, although they have also a mastercd, sounds a bit off for me. I wonder what will happen, did CDV just give Brat a freecard on their release? What does this imply contract-wise?

IMO, Brat can not, and should not release a non working build of their game. People cannot magically look into a gamedir and compare files... and gameplay. Next to this, releasing a full package of work, even without the exe, could hurt both dev and publisher.

Since CDV is giving out a freecards to Brat, I think this is the right time for Brat to release a working MP demo.

You know?, the one that was promised us a long time ago by CDV? Delivering a full working build, with the normal MP demo limitations, should hurt CDV even less than releasing the full game. This way, most of the content of the game stays protected, people can still compare games/builds, etc. And as an added bonus, this way CDV keeps their promise of an MP demo (although delayed).

I see no way CDV would protest against this, considering their wish on Brat releasing their build.

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Linkage from CDV investors page:

http://kurse.exchange.de/exchange/d...ETR&zeitraum=36



A picture is much better than many words....but maybe Brats version of Breed would have actually improved market value....if this trend continious i can see a queue at the Jobmitte in Karlsruhe

In der Hauptniederlassung in Karlsruhe (Deutschland) und in der 100 prozentigen CDV-Tochtergesellschaft in Cary, North Carolina (USA), beschäftigt CDV aktuell rund 80 Mitarbeiter.


CDV has a total of 80 employees (thats including the US office)....

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Well, thanks for the information, Hugofrosch. It's certainly refreshing to hear something directly from CDV again.

try visiting forums from other game publishers, more chance of hearing from CDV there

Especially if the director of CDV is out promoting Codename Panzers again

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