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NJ62
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There are two new wookiee armors now on Test Center. For a complete list of ingredients go here


A few points:

1) A chestplate will take 4-6 identical armor padding ("wookiee pillows") to make (depending on which style of armor you're making). This, to me, seems a bit excessive on resource costs....

2) However... the "hunting armor" also takes horn, which is currently impossible to get in quantity because it is a looted resource (think mollusks and milk 2 months ago). The other armor does not take horn. Horn is being replaced with a more reasonable resource. The armor should be good to go.

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NJ62 wrote:
There are two new wookiee armors now on Test Center. For a complete list of ingredients go here


A few points:

1) A chestplate will take 4-6 identical armor padding ("wookiee pillows") to make (depending on which style of armor you're making). This, to me, seems a bit excessive on resource costs....


There have been quite a few posts on the armorsmith boards complaining about having to use wookiee pillows also, because no one seems to be able to get them.  I hope that things go a little smoother this time.  I expect to get lots of requests (demands) for free schematics again, though.
 
 


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Because the use of wookiee pillows has increased exponentially in the new armor, expect to get more orders for it. If you want to capitalize on it and sell more, great. If you don't want to make them, that's fine too.

Remember: it's your job to run your business how you want, not to interrupt your life so that every wookiee on the planet can have armor. If supply/demand works, that's great. If it doesn't work, and we turn out to have not enough tailors able/willing to provide these items, I'll report back. But be aware that this is your game, and it's meant to be fun. It's not your job to make sure everyone else is also having fun.

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NJ62 wrote:
Because the use of wookiee pillows has increased exponentially in the new armor, expect to get more orders for it. If you want to capitalize on it and sell more, great. If you don't want to make them, that's fine too.

Remember: it's your job to run your business how you want, not to interrupt your life so that every wookiee on the planet can have armor. If supply/demand works, that's great. If it doesn't work, and we turn out to have not enough tailors able/willing to provide these items, I'll report back. But be aware that this is your game, and it's meant to be fun. It's not your job to make sure everyone else is also having fun.


Of course! I will continue to make wookiee pillows for our guild armorsmith anyway.  I am just remembering some of the things that happened when the first wookiee armor came out.  It wasn't very fun.   I didn't like being blamed by both armorsmiths and wookiees for being the cause of the wookiee armor shortage.

 


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Momoko,
 
And its for that reason I am starting a run of 200 pillows right now. With another couple hundred ready to go. Plus my ranger side is going to have the other components ready and waiting.
 
 

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Il be making no more wookie padding than i did before, (which was coincidently exactly none before)
 
 

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Aynianu wrote:
Il be making no more wookie padding than i did before, (which was coincidently exactly none before)
 
 



I plan to increase my output by at least 100%.  200% of 0 is... 0! muahahahaha

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Fodder650 wrote:
Momoko,
 
And its for that reason I am starting a run of 200 pillows right now. With another couple hundred ready to go. Plus my ranger side is going to have the other components ready and waiting.
 
 



I really only make them for the guild armorsmith and that is all.  I know in that case that the guild can help me out in getting the materials.  Outside of the guild I had too many armorsmiths who wanted me to sell high quality wookiee pillows made of 20-50cpu materials for 2-3cpu.

 


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I would be fine with making large runs of ithe things if it didnt require Wooly hide. That kind is nearly impossible to get in large stacks,  for my tailor on Ahazi at least.  Which also brings up the issue of quality. Because we can experiment on the pillows like artisans, does quality of the wooly Hide and Fiberplast matter? 



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The stats on these items are actually more like armorsmith stats (relying on OQ/SR) than anything artisany. There's a good "how to experiment on wookiee pillows" link either directly in the FAQ or in the "guides" section of the link directory (can't remember riiight now). So yes, it pays to have good quality stuff and be a master, and to even have *gasp* an apron and skill tapes.

But here's a wrinkle:

1) How to experiment parts of armor is really, well, something that the armorsmith wants control over. So most smiths will want a schematic where he tells you how to experiment. He's frustrated because he has no control over this clearly armor element with armor experimentation. You're frustrated cause he's breathing down your neck telling you where to put points, or to redo the schematic if you don't get amazing successes. It's tough to be put in a position of doing another profession's job.

2) I'm not entirely sure that the stats of the wookiee pillows matter all that much. Or anyway, Syzygy has done some more "scientific" research on that front and maybe can help us out. *poke*

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NJ62 wrote:
The stats on these items are actually more like armorsmith stats (relying on OQ/SR) than anything artisany. There's a good "how to experiment on wookiee pillows" link either directly in the FAQ or in the "guides" section of the link directory (can't remember riiight now). So yes, it pays to have good quality stuff and be a master, and to even have *gasp* an apron and skill tapes.

But here's a wrinkle:

1) How to experiment parts of armor is really, well, something that the armorsmith wants control over. So most smiths will want a schematic where he tells you how to experiment. He's frustrated because he has no control over this clearly armor element with armor experimentation. You're frustrated cause he's breathing down your neck telling you where to put points, or to redo the schematic if you don't get amazing successes. It's tough to be put in a position of doing another profession's job.

2) I'm not entirely sure that the stats of the wookiee pillows matter all that much. Or anyway, Syzygy has done some more "scientific" research on that front and maybe can help us out. *poke*

/shrug. My guild 'smith and I played with it on Kettemoor, and another guild 'smith and I played with it on Gorath. Didn't seem to matter if we used 2% base pillows or 4%, end product still came out about the same (accounting for the rancor hide I used on Gorath—hey, it was my armor there )
 
Edit: I'm not going to go into exactly how armor experimentation works—it gets really, really funky once you start adding layers, which both new suits allow—but suffice it to say, the pillows probably won't make any real difference except in the highest-end armor; triple-layered, using all 900+ resources…which isn't really possible since the new armor uses a lot of wood, which will never hit that high for its attributes. Translation: don't sweat it, whatever you make will work just as well as anything else.

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Like the concensus here I won't be making any either. Increasing my production from 0 to 0.

Personally, both my friend and I believe this, if you wanted to wear armour then you shouldn't have picked a wookie. I'm sure this will piss off the wookies out there but I'm entitled to my opinion.

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  There may not be much demand for the pillows anyways, the organic resource requirements for the new wook armor's are insane. A full suit of the hunter armor requires 1481 organics, most of which are planet specific types.
 
 No armorsmith on any server has the supplies of such varied named hides and bones to mass produce this armor.
 
 And that's for the hunter armor. The mid range armor (black mountain or something) requires a bunch of named organics as well, and that list includes corellian wooly. Hunters laugh in your face if you ask them to hunt corellian wooly.
 
  I think a lot of smiths are just going to toss up their hands and say "Thanks, but no thanks. No wook armor for teh wooks." I know that's my responce.

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NJ62 wrote:
The stats on these items are actually more like armorsmith stats (relying on OQ/SR) than anything artisany. There's a good "how to experiment on wookiee pillows" link either directly in the FAQ or in the "guides" section of the link directory (can't remember riiight now). So yes, it pays to have good quality stuff and be a master, and to even have *gasp* an apron and skill tapes.

But here's a wrinkle:

1) How to experiment parts of armor is really, well, something that the armorsmith wants control over. So most smiths will want a schematic where he tells you how to experiment. He's frustrated because he has no control over this clearly armor element with armor experimentation. You're frustrated cause he's breathing down your neck telling you where to put points, or to redo the schematic if you don't get amazing successes. It's tough to be put in a position of doing another profession's job.

2) I'm not entirely sure that the stats of the wookiee pillows matter all that much. Or anyway, Syzygy has done some more "scientific" research on that front and maybe can help us out. *poke*

So having high Oq/Sr on the wooly hide and fiberplast is probably a good idea, but not fully required? As far as the newest stuff goes, I'll be fine with helping an AS make a schematic for the 'pillows', however, he better have enough material for me to experiemnt and compensate for failures or for as many tries as it takes to get success with each experiement. But you better believe I'd be compensated for my time
 



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NJ62 wrote:
The stats on these items are actually more like armorsmith stats (relying on OQ/SR) than anything artisany. There's a good "how to experiment on wookiee pillows" link either directly in the FAQ or in the "guides" section of the link directory (can't remember riiight now). So yes, it pays to have good quality stuff and be a master, and to even have *gasp* an apron and skill tapes.

But here's a wrinkle:

1) How to experiment parts of armor is really, well, something that the armorsmith wants control over. So most smiths will want a schematic where he tells you how to experiment. He's frustrated because he has no control over this clearly armor element with armor experimentation. You're frustrated cause he's breathing down your neck telling you where to put points, or to redo the schematic if you don't get amazing successes. It's tough to be put in a position of doing another profession's job.

2) I'm not entirely sure that the stats of the wookiee pillows matter all that much. Or anyway, Syzygy has done some more "scientific" research on that front and maybe can help us out. *poke*


Maybe it is just the playstyle here, but most armorsmiths have wanted these to be simply be as effective as possible.  Because most people put on and use their armor with buffs and never take it off (which really stinks for us tailors. ) things like encumberance are just extras to put points into if we have any left over.

 


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Gyopi wrote:

Maybe it is just the playstyle here, but most armorsmiths have wanted these to be simply be as effective as possible.  Because most people put on and use their armor with buffs and never take it off (which really stinks for us tailors. ) things like encumberance are just extras to put points into if we have any left over.


That's true, however, the effectiveness of the Armor Padding doesn't seem to make any real difference in the final product. Now, it may be different with the two new armor types, but that's been my experience with the Ceremonial armor. /shrug

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So, what are the required resources and experimentation values for "wookiiee pillows"? I've been looking on the web, and I cant seem to find them anywhere. SWGCraft, usually a good resource, has nothing on the Wookiiee armor in any skill tree, so far as I can tell.

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SWGTailor.com has all the info on 'em. Should still be linked off the front page, right-hand side articles listing.

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I must be either blind or stupid, possibly both , because I cant find the information on SWGTailor.com, either.

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Maybe it's a part of the SWGTailor.com site that I have to sign-up and login in order to see?

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All the old stories on SWGtailor are filed away in the top left corner. This one is under "patch news".

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There is also some information about how to experiment the segs in the tailoring FAQ, which is linked to the "READ THIS FIRST" stickie.

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You da best, n'Jessi! Thanks for the info!
 
P.S. Cool character names.

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Have to admit I was surprised at what appears to be bitterness here. I can understand if you have been abused but lets look at the whole picture. By not selling the padding you are losing out on potential business. If you have been abused in the past..first few times their fault..after that it is yours for allowing it. As a master artisian armorsmith majority of my abuse has been from guildies. ..till I finally said heck no now its my fault. As example: I need a swoop..(me) great bring me the  resources I be glad to make it for you..(them after looking for resources) hey thats too expensive for me (me) AND THERES YOUR SIGN DOH.

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Have to admit I was surprised at what appears to be bitterness here. I can understand if you have been abused but lets look at the whole picture. By not selling the padding you are losing out on potential business. If you have been abused in the past..first few times their fault..after that it is yours for allowing it. As a master artisian armorsmith majority of my abuse has been from guildies. ..till I finally said heck no now its my fault. As example: I need a swoop..(me) great bring me the  resources I be glad to make it for you..(them after looking for resources) hey thats too expensive for me (me) AND THERES YOUR SIGN DOH. Now

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