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mpdivo wrote:

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Chieftain1900 wrote:

Welcome Sheri,

 

Simple and plain fact: People are leaving SWG because Jedi is unattainable to the average person.

Look on Ebay and tell me that I am wrong. People paying up to $1500.00 dollars just to

play as one.

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Please do not listen to comments like this.  There are too many Jedi as it is, at a time in Star Wars history where Jedi but all but extinct.

I do not want to play in a world where everyone is a Jedi...

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Message Edited by Chieftain1900 on 01-15-2005 06:21 AM

Message Edited by bonedriver on 01-15-2005 07:06 AM

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mpdivo wrote:

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Sewoo wrote:

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You guessed wrong and JTL blows -- after master there is zippo content!  750k subscriptions to under 20k subscriptions, you do the math.. People are leaving in trainloads. 

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I'm with you about people leaving in droves - that's a fact. Where did you get your numbers? I'm not challanging you; I would like to research it for myself. My understanding is that subscription numbers are not easy to come by. Earth and Beyond folded with roughly 25,000 subscribers (according to EA in an interview with CGW).

 

My gut tells me that if the number s were in the 20k ballpark - they would pull the plug. Please people, don't come out of the woodwork with "all SOE wants to do is make money blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda". It costs money to do these kinds of things - a lot of it. Which means you need a lot of it coming in to cover expenses and fund the future stuff. At some point it just isn't worth it.

Message Edited by Sewoo on 01-13-2005 03:19 PM

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You know why I don't take these post seriously?  I played Ultima Online for about six years.  I remember the same post.  I even quit because of the Trammel.  Tons of post about people leaving in troves...but UO is still around, with it's crappy graphics and expansions...

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Like anyone cares that YOU don't take these posts seriously!   You seem to enjoy playing crappy games -- Kudos..

I certainly hope you are sterile.

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Ridenar wrote:

yet another  'we are gonna fix things' letter  

 

oh the joy in my heart

 

lets see

 

x years alpha (didn't get it even close to starwars)

x months beta (didn't get it even close to starwars)

18 months live (didn't get it even close to starwars)

 

but in the next few months they are gonna fix it all!!!...

 

i'm stocked   really!.

 

 

 

 

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LMAO soo true soo true

But if you think about it ... If the game was just based off SW world it would get a bit Try and dry.....

What kills an MMO is the fact that the companys dont want to deviate from the concept they started out with.

A MMO is a living breathing thing

It want It need It breaths It eats it drinks

the players of these MMOs out there are the life force in them. With out us the player a MMO dies.

So with that said leads meh in to the next key element of MMOs they must adapt Twist and turn and Fancy the tastes of manny Worldly cultures as well as a persons tastes. My self i like the people i play with and story content with a dash of PVP. thier is nothing like some guy or Gal getting Mad and sending Harsh and volger tells to you cuase you pawned thier Candy A$$. So What is StarWars?

StarWars in a nut shell is culture look at the american Culture around the time the 1st 3 movies were made and they seem to relate with events in that Worldly Time line in the U.S.A there for took off like a rocket in to space! Then Starwars became a culture Icon and influenced the masses and as the story line even now in Starwars is adapting and changing in Further events in Time line and the way the Charaters in the Storys relate to one another. I am sure some were in StarWars there is a Hero Villian or protagnist that we can relate to. Thus Brings us to our own MMO!

We dont Feel like that hero as we play the game or the Vilian that we Lothed so much. Most the Quests i have done in the game Dont make meh feel like i am a Han solo, Darth vader,or a Trandoshian on the brink of insainity.

This game has alot i mean ALOT of protential Even if they Follow the Story line and the Time line As it stands. I am sure those of use that read the books Know there is alot more going on in this time line then a Farm boy VS a great Empire Govenment! There is alot of charaters that can be put in to the game to intereact with.

Well i have spent too much thought and time on this post i need to go back to Harvesting a little Hemp

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Chieftain1900 wrote:

 

 

Mpdivo, your so wrong and your opinion is tainted by your bias. The reality and facts are stated and your inability to cite any factual basis for your rhetoric is absurd. Do not listen to Mpdivo, Sheri he apparently is so self-absorbed that he can not think clearly. Now, Heapum, I have stated clearly and factually why people are leaving this game and he/they apparently thinks that this is a disservice to your or Mpdivos' well being in the game. The main thing that derides your guys' confusion is the mentality of seeing that the only real scenario that sets apart this game from any others is the ability to become a Jedi. That being said, It's not the only thing but clearly the Main...

 

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Jedi are not the problem..... Not enuff bounty hunter Gank Squads is the problem lmao

But really those who want to be jedi or trying for it! the EXP is insain and the Amount of EXP you get perkill depending on what you kill is low.

So i feel as time gos along more people will either give up as i have seen 4 others do and go back to Pvping and loot farming .....what else is there to do ?

Jedi and Dark Jedi are not the Problem I Feel its the players fualt if they cant intereact with these power players After all thats what Jedi is for.

We happen to have what seems to be alot of power players. It cant be helped cuase with out Jedi for those Powerplayers what would they do? Move on to a New MMO like i did with EQ after Running out of things to do of corse back then i had no Job nor a life... well i still dont have a life LMAO

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Chieftain1900 wrote:

 

 

Mpdivo, your so wrong and your opinion is tainted by your bias. The reality and facts are stated and your inability to cite any factual basis for your rhetoric is absurd. Do not listen to Mpdivo, Sheri he apparently is so self-absorbed that he can not think clearly. Now, Heapum, I have stated clearly and factually why people are leaving this game and he/they apparently thinks that this is a disservice to your or Mpdivos' well being in the game. The main thing that derides your guys' confusion is the mentality of seeing that the only real scenario that sets apart this game from any others is the ability to become a Jedi. That being said, It's not the only thing but clearly the Main...

 

Message Edited by Chieftain1900 on 01-15-2005 06:21 AM

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     I know why a mayority of the people I know left. Jedi was the only real goal set forth by the developers. I know some hardcore SW fans are leaving SWG because of all the jedi running amock and trashing the timeframe, but I honently believe that these folks are in the minority. most people have left because there was nothing left to do after, mastering a prof, going out on loot fests, Dying or pwning in the borked PvP system, making millions as a long term crafter, building a city, founding a guild, and becoming a jedi. that last one is the equivelent of another MMOs grind to max level char for a PvP fest.

     The only two profs that has game machanics specifically designed for it beyond the basic combat system is Jedi and bounty hunter. Jedi have the FRS and being hunted. Bhes hunt the jedi. you can breeze through all the other content now with the docs and their uber buffs. mastering a prof in three days is no prob now. you can kill almost anything with one combat prof, and everything with a combat template. PvP is jacked because people have tried and tested out all the best templates to use. If your not one of those, your dead. the only thing guilds have to do is hunt or craft for combat profs. All loot is just misc stuff or little weapon enhancing things. Pure and simple there is nothing in the game for players to apply their profs to besides PvP, and thats busted.

     I know this as fact for these reasons. One of my best ingame friends who went by the name of myreth quit two months after she mastered WS. She mastered swordsman two days before she left. Another one of my ingame friends migrated over to EQ2 when it went live. I watched the city that their guild built disappear within a month and a after EQ2 went live. the residents of radient now have a long ride ahead of them if they want to go krayt hunting. I watched most of the guild trickle away well before any other MMOs showed up. they left because they wern't willing to spend the exhorbitent amount of time to unlock the only in depth content SWG had for the long term player, jedi. After experiencing what little content their was they all up and left after that.

     My brother and I are the only ones left from the origional folks we used to play the game with. I will be leaving shortly once I master out my jedi and hunt with the guild I am currently with ATM. If I PvP at all it will be as a support player since jedi can't stand toe to toe with the current templates of the day. There is no content beyond what just mentioned I will do. There are no game machanics to apply all these profs to. Thats why people are leaving. Thats why this game is on its death bed. I hope the devs can pull it off life support and give the incoming players something grand to expierence.

     But I know one fact. Lucas isn't going to sit around and let SWG be the game that tarnishes the Star Wars name in the gaming industry. If SWG goes under I expect to see an SWG two takes its place. IT will be released when its ready, with all the game machanics for players to apply their profs to, with hordes of story driven content, and hordes upon hordes of content that promotes player interaction.

     I don't see players leaving the game as a dis-service to me in any way, shape, or form. It was their choice to go and I honestly don't blame them. The only reason I stay is the people I know and play the game with. When they all move on I will do so too. I post my ideas here in hope that the devs will get cracking on that content so we players have something to do and keep the fun times going.

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bonedriver wrote:

Scope

 

What exactly ARE the technical limits that you Developers work under?

 

As in: 

 

1) Why can't you currently orbit worlds in JTL? 

 

     The massive amount of layers that this game has in its rendering system is the biggest reason why it wont happen ATM. Not only does the game do multiple renders of the same frame but it also bump maps every surface, and applies a pixal/vector shader. all that combined will slow down most current computer systems systems. its also the main reason why everything moves so slowly in game and why vehicles were such a pain to put in to begin with. JTL has already proven that playes can move at high speeds and still be tracked by the servers with ease.

     Second, literally making the planets round for orbital landing would distort the ground perspective of everything so bad. Of course the earth is round but its so huge that we barely notice the slight horizontal curve. its more aparent as you climb in altitude. However if they devs applied so fade in tricks and an above the couods atmosphere zone on each planet they could get away with atmospheric landing. However players would have to pick their landing spot prior to going below the clouds and go about as fast as a swoop bike 300m up. that looks horendousely slow. each ship could have a foot print like a structure and be limited to where housing is placed. that the only solution I can think of for getting atmospheric flight in under the games format.

 

2) What is the major problem with a load screen prior to atmosphere then running the starship through the landing cycle to the starport?

 

See question one

 

3) Why EXACTLY do polygon counts so adversely affect lag in cities?  What can be done about it now and in the future?

 

The closer things are togather the more resources are needed to render the objects. More polygons = more points to calculate = more hertz dedicated to the rendering of the objects. Its the number one reason why rendering computer animated scenes takes forever.

 

4) Is there anything game engine wise or techically (out of game engine on the server-bandwidth end) that can be done to decrease server latency, or is that really a function of the speed that the net is operating at and we are "stuck with it?"

 

     Buy bigger, buffer, more uber servers. dems the breaks. bandwidth isn't to much of a problum since SWG is probably working off of a T3 line anyway. Its getting all the info about a player character that needs to be rendered that the problum mainly. every toon probably has a database on it that tells the client what they are wearing, what weapon they are holding, and what settings they have on their character customization chart. Fetching the data for that is a snap. But the client still has to go about searching for all the graphics to render the character on screen. Thats probably your main source of lag.

    
5) Why can't we pack more people into smaller areas, increasing server population density (for cites) without increasing lag?

 

See answer four

 

6) Why do we have to have SO MANY servers?  Is there a fix possible to this in the future to accomodate higher densities?

 

each server is setup to handle up to 125 at a time. probably that way to maxamize performance. can't get past it without geting better servers.

 

7) Why is is so problematic to solve the multiplayer vehicle issue?  It is done in JTL so why not in the ground game?

 

Meeeh, they just haven't got around to it. they are soooo many other pressing issues out there ATM. I know multi player speeders will show up evertually.

 

I am sure there are MANY others.  Try establishing a continuing thread talking about these limits and let players in on your problems, as well as perhaps providing solutions!

 

Bonedriver

 

     A few comments on cut scenes. only place that any cinimatics can be applied without hindering game play would be when initially taking a quest or entering an area where the actions of accomplishing a quest will take place. An example would be talking to a NPC for the quest. you would lose all control of the toon except for responding to the NPC. The ingame camera would shift pan, zoom, roll, and do its thing while the NPC talked to give the whole conversation a more dramatic affact. Whole scenes can be keyed to groups to. anyone in the group would lose control of their character and be presented with the cut scent as well. they may not be able to affact the NPC with answers but maybe some options to express some social emote during the scene would be setup.

     Its all quite possible to get away with to. Things like making characters invonerable while witnessing the cut scene and limiting cut scene to a local area would need to be added to prevent player griefing. it would suck to be a part of a group sitting 1000m outside of town and all of a sudden be warped back to town to watch a cut scene. Little camera cut scenes can play also showing the player the spawned target. maybe the camera can pan in and back out showing the player a caravan that they need to destroy or protect once they get withen a 500m distance. Maybe an overhead shot can be shown when they succeed at the mission. its all doable. the devs just need to get some stuff of their plate.

Message Edited by bonedriver on 01-16-2005 08:15 AM

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Chieftain1900 wrote:

Heapum wrote: I know why a majority of the people I know left. Jedi was the only real goal set forth by the developers. I know some hardcore SW fans are leaving SWG because of all the jedi running amuck and trashing the timeframe, but I honestly believe that these folks are in the minority.

 

Okay I guess I misunderstood your earlier post. We are in agreement on this fascet of the game.

 

I would like to ask you how far are you away from becoming a JEDI?

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LOL i am glowing ATM on orituss and Asuka Jedi isnt for meh i rather hunt big game for the sake of hunting them....How ever i havnt found a guild on Kettemoor that does that. Also have yet to find a group after a year or so of playing that uses battling Tactics I.E Docs heal Tanks tank Doters Dot  ect when facting PVP or PVE it sadens meh the current Combat sytem could work but in the long run it doesnt preform like it should For mass Groups Also thier is no way for say 40 people in 2 diff groups to Relate to one another when in combat. A guild grouping sytem could fix this that sets up group leaders and then Divide and plances Squads of players by group number.... hope this is making Sence.

Squad 1 is Close ranged tanks with a healer in it 

Squad 2 Ranged suport group

Squad 3 CM/CHs

Further more i would like to see crafting classes to get in to battling.

Each Crafting class has a lot of battle potental if you use your mind a little

Building bases that take no lots and that are temp for 5 hours time or so /redeedable with in 3 houres

Arming those bases with turrets that take no lots and are temp/redeedable with in 3 hours

Droids that act as scouts /Guards with 250k Ham but only attack with in 250m of the Temp base and disapear after the 5hours or the base is redeeded

well you see what i am getting at you would need the crafter there to maintain the Base the turrets make sure the droids are well powered and repaired and they would act as a safe haven durning pvp Down times also these items shouldnt take alot of resouces and be at a set Decay attack speed  attacking power ect and only Effect pvp any random MoB/NPC not imp or rebel should be ingored by the droid patrols and turrets

This would make a crafting class fun and give away to interact with other players other then ya thats a 500k T 21 with XXXX stats <money Trading hands> Making pvp more tactic orintated as well as challanging other then some mindless MOD stacker going around GAnking people and the group sQuad would alow Guilds or random players coming together to do pvp to keep track of thier Troops whos in what group how to use suport of Varius types to win a battle .... then again from what i have seen NO ONE wants to be a leader better to be a sheep in a flock then a Wolf leading thier pack to a kill!!!

Jedi are powerless againt Sheer numbers!! sadly those numbers are falling 

I still want my Looting of PC Skulls lmao OFF WITH HIS/HER HEAD MUwhahahahah .... ok find a happy place find a happy place ooo a penny

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Chieftain1900 wrote:

Heapum wrote: I know why a majority of the people I know left. Jedi was the only real goal set forth by the developers. I know some hardcore SW fans are leaving SWG because of all the jedi running amuck and trashing the timeframe, but I honestly believe that these folks are in the minority.

 

Okay I guess I misunderstood your earlier post. We are in agreement on this fascet of the game.

 

I would like to ask you how far are you away from becoming a JEDI?

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Chieftain1900 wrote:

 

 

Mpdivo, your so wrong and your opinion is tainted by your bias. The reality and facts are stated and your inability to cite any factual basis for your rhetoric is absurd. Do not listen to Mpdivo, Sheri he apparently is so self-absorbed that he can not think clearly. Now, Heapum, I have stated clearly and factually why people are leaving this game and he/they apparently thinks that this is a disservice to your or Mpdivos' well being in the game. The main thing that derides your guys' confusion is the mentality of seeing that the only real scenario that sets apart this game from any others is the ability to become a Jedi. That being said, It's not the only thing but clearly the Main...

 

Message Edited by Chieftain1900 on 01-15-2005 06:21 AM

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TheSidhe wrote:

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mpdivo wrote:

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Sewoo wrote:

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You guessed wrong and JTL blows -- after master there is zippo content!  750k subscriptions to under 20k subscriptions, you do the math.. People are leaving in trainloads. 

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I'm with you about people leaving in droves - that's a fact. Where did you get your numbers? I'm not challanging you; I would like to research it for myself. My understanding is that subscription numbers are not easy to come by. Earth and Beyond folded with roughly 25,000 subscribers (according to EA in an interview with CGW).

 

My gut tells me that if the number s were in the 20k ballpark - they would pull the plug. Please people, don't come out of the woodwork with "all SOE wants to do is make money blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda". It costs money to do these kinds of things - a lot of it. Which means you need a lot of it coming in to cover expenses and fund the future stuff. At some point it just isn't worth it.

Message Edited by Sewoo on 01-13-2005 03:19 PM

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You know why I don't take these post seriously?  I played Ultima Online for about six years.  I remember the same post.  I even quit because of the Trammel.  Tons of post about people leaving in troves...but UO is still around, with it's crappy graphics and expansions...

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Like anyone cares that YOU don't take these posts seriously!   You seem to enjoy playing crappy games -- Kudos..

I certainly hope you are sterile.

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UO, a crappy game?  Holy smokes? What did MMPORG did you play in 1997?  UO is one for the history books, was a great game, and people are still sitting on that wall at the banks at Trammel.

And for your information, I am sterile.  Got the boys cut about two years ago.  You know what, the doctors try and tell you that it doesn't hurt, but it does.  Does it ever!

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bonedriver wrote:

Content for Roleplayers?

 

SWG is a MMORPG, so why is there such paltry emphasis on the RP portion?

 

There isn't a forum to discuss RP, nor is there a dedicated RP server, nor are there any tools to enhance RP.  By RP I mean storyline, investing characters and plot with meaning, and not just playing a hunt and grind game.  PvP is all well and good, in fact I believe it to be absolutely essential, a goal in fact, of SWG.  However in my opinion it should be a goal with a meaning, that of fostering and fulfilling a story.

 

Different people have different desires to play this game, but I do believe most people who come to this game because it says Star Wars come for the same reasons I did: not to be a pure PvP player but to experience the Star Wars universe firsthand.

 

As a start it would be nice to throw the RP factions out there a bone.

 

Bonedriver

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Message Edited by Chieftain1900 on 01-17-2005 12:49 PM