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Gary Cherone: Tribe of Judah brings life after Van Halen!
Gary Cherone is back with his first post Van Halen effort titled Exit Elvis from his band Tribe of Judah. In one form or another Tribe features the entire Extreme family sans Nuno Bettencourt. This makes the chance of hearing some great songs from the past very possible when the band hits the road in support of their first album Exit Elvis. The record features some sounds that show the band leaning towards industrial rock but in the end Exit Elvis is a damn good CD. There are plenty of guitar solos and while Cherone throws a few effects on his vocal tracks it does not undermine the quality of his performance. He remains a strong and unique vocalist.
In this interview Cherone discusses the new album in detail. He also talks openly about his days in Van Halen -- including the disappointment that was VH3. Gary was so open and honest that he even admitted we were having a conversation instead of an interview. This can best be seen by us discussing my Wife's love of country music and Cherone's take on whether Charlie Daniels fits Classic Rock Revisited's format or not! All in all it was a thrill to talk with the voice of Extreme and the third voice of Van Halen. Read on to learn about how Gary got Eddie to dust off his chops and bring back some of the bands best material!
- Jeb Wright September 2002
Jeb: have been listening to a record by your new band Tribe Of Judah. Where did you come up with the name?
Gary: It is an old name that I have had in my head since the Extreme years. I love the name Judah -- maybe one day I will name a child Judah. Obviously, the name comes from the 12 Tribes of Israel in the Old Testament. I love the word ‘tribe.’ As I was putting the project together I really didn’t know if this was going to be a bunch of people I was going to be working with or if it was going to be a revolving door of musicians. It ended up being a band in the traditional sense. It ended up being a vehicle for me to do whatever I wanted to do, like Extreme.
Jeb: I was going to ask you about that. The promo copy that I got says ‘Gary Cherone’s Tribe of Judah.’ I wondered if it was a real band or a bunch of hired guns.
Gary: It’s a band. I don’t know how they sent it to ya but it’s not a project. It’s a band of thieves! [laughter]
Jeb: Straight from the song “Left For Dead” it catches your ear.
Gary: If anything from the opening notes it breaks down the preconceptions of what comes with my name. You have Extreme and you Van Halen and the history that I have with other people I played with. There are some programming, some keyboards and some effects on the vocals that hopefully break that stereotype.
Jeb: You use two different effects on your voice in the first two lines you sing on the record!
Gary: The voices on the record -- what was behind that was trying to treat my voice like guitar players treat guitar tones.
Jeb: When I heard the first couple of notes I thought, “Oh no, is this another case of someone trying to be modern in their playing instead of being true to who they really are?” There is some industrial music in the album but it quickly goes beyond that. The total effect of the record really kicks ass.
Gary: You hear the intro and the music and there is some distorted, industrial programming going on and then you hear the vocal and you go, “Okay, what’s he trying to do? Duck his voice?” I think by the time it gets to the pre-chorus you find that that voice is familiar.
Jeb: “Thanks For Nothing” is very familiar.
Gary: “Thanks For Nothing” is the first single off the record and that doesn’t go that much off the mark. I think you are familiar with the voice and the melodies!
Jeb: There sounds like there is a little anger in there!
Gary: [laughing] Rock n roll baby! There is always a little anger in there! Like everyone else, it is what is going on in your life. Your woman pisses you off so that gets in there; that’s rock n roll.
Jeb: Are you writing the music or just the lyrics?
Gary: I collaborated with the writers. The main writers are the guitar player Leo Mellace and the keyboard programmer Steve Ferlazzo. The lyrics and the melody are coming from me.
Jeb: “Thanks For Nothing” has a great bridge. The vocal line and the guitar line had been doing separate things and then right there it just goes ‘BAM.’
Gary: That is one of the first songs that connected. It kind of revealed the Tribe sound. That was one of the first songs we wrote together.
Jeb: “No One” is a different kind of a sound but it has a great groove that hooks you.
Gary: “No One” is a sleeper. If people hear the record once songs like “Thanks For Nothing” and “In My Dreams” might be quick hooks. I call them French fry hooks: You know what they are going to taste like and you taste them real quick. The meat of the record is songs like “Exit Elvis” and “Ambiguous Headdress.” I think “No One” is a groove thing that you are probably latching onto.
Jeb: I like the far out shit and “Exit Elvis” is wild!
Gary: We didn’t know how the audience would react to that one so that’s why we put “Exit Elvis” onto the end. I guess that is the closest to the ambition that Extreme did in the day. We threw in the kitchen sink and if people get to the end of the record then that is a treat for them. To me, that is the kind of spirit of Tribe of Judah, the sounds of things to come hopefully.
Jeb: Listening to the chord changes in “Exit Elvis” I have to ask if you are a jazz fan?
Gary: Sure. I don’t know if I have enough guts to do a whole standard jazz record but I bow at the alter of Sinatra! I was introduced to it when I was growing up listening to Queen. Freddie Mercury threw those incredible melodies into his songs. Through my Dad and my Mom some of the Tony Bennett type stuff grew in. That kind of stuff is timeless. Probably some of the greatest melodies ever written were in jazz.
Jeb: In a writing process how do you take it from jazz to the wild guitar break in “Exit Elvis?”
Gary: I will have to give you my guitar player’s number for that one! I think he gives you little pieces of some jazz-fusion throughout the album. There is fusion and some off notes throughout the entire record and it is all very intentional. It is a bit of rock fusion, not quite progressive, that he is playing in the end of “Exit Elvis.” At the end of that song he is playing some heavy stuff.
Jeb: Where did you find him?
Gary: In my career I have had a horseshoe working with Nuno and Eddie. I tripped upon Leo. I was writing some acoustic, quiet songs and I was looking for a guitar solo. My engineer turned me onto to this guitar player who I knew of but didn’t know well. Once he came in and did the guitar solo we just hit it off and started writing. He really blew me away with his wide variety of what he can bring to the table as a guitar player. He is much more than just a rock guitar player.
Jeb: The solos are on the album. I am thrilled to hear some guitar solos on your record. Too many bands are forgetting the solos.
Gary: Our generation can appreciate it. In was around 1993-94 when solo became a dirty word. In a way it was a good thing because a lot of people couldn’t play solos! Is it a generational thing? I think there are some good players coming up. I think we are at a point where people can swallow a guitar solo in a pop rock record again.
Jeb: I got to the point that if I read about another new guitar player saying he was playing for the riff or playing for the song I was going to throw up.
Gary: That is a poor man’s excuse for people who can’t play a solo.
Jeb: Not just play it but in Leo’s case also composing it.
Gary: In the 80’s there were people who could shred but they abused the purpose of a solo. They just played for technique. It became this guitar band craze and, rightfully so, there was a rebellion against it. The song suffered for it. Now we are victims of a generation who rebelled against it and there are no solos.
Jeb: One of the things that suffered from a fan aspect was that you no longer had two guys in the band. With Extreme you had Gary and you had Nuno. With Van Halen you had Dave and Eddie.
Gary: I grew up on the classic Jagger/Richards, Tyler/Perry and Plant/Page. It is cyclical. I do think that is missing. Like you said, that excuse is no longer going to be valid. There is a place for it. With this record we wanted the production to be state of the art and contemporary. Hopefully there is enough programming and keyboards to be contemporary but not overwhelm the rock songs. If you strip out all of stuff then “Left For Dead” is a good rock song. A critique could be that I should not have effected my vocals here or there but that is a judgment call. I look back and say, “You know what? I could have effected my voice more there or I could have kept that clean.” You are in a state of mixing and you just live with it. There is not one musician who is completely happy with a mix.
Jeb: I have read this in an interview with you before and I NEVER read this about you before you were in Van Halen…. You kind of sound like Sammy Hagar.
Gary: Never in my life was I ever compared to Sammy until I was in Van Halen.
The Hagar years were 85-95. Sam or Dave did not influence me. Extreme used to do
Van Halen songs at sound check and I used to go get a drink because I didn’t
know any of the songs!
When I was in Van Halen I was hitting notes that were out of my range. I never went for those registers before until Eddie pulled it out of me. Now, I do try to hit some of those notes, whether I sound like Sammy or not is purely coincidence. I saw him in Boston the other day and he pulled me onstage to sing a couple of Van Halen tunes. You have got to hand it to him, he sings his ass off for a guy his age. There is no moss on that stone.
Jeb: I didn’t hear about this.
Gary: Sam and Dave came into Boston. I met Sammy on the phone about six months ago. I actually called him up and asked him if they wanted a warm up band because Tribe of Judah would have loved to do it. He said no but he told me that I was welcome on his stage anytime. Six months later he calls me and says he is coming into Boston the next week. We did “When It’s Love” and “Dreams” and “Rock N Roll” by Zeppelin. We had a ball. He was great. It was the first time I had met him and he was very gracious. His show rocked. Dave was distant and a little standoffish. Sammy was great to me. Michael Anthony came on. He flew into Boston. It was kind of a reunion.
Jeb: What is it about him? He is the guy that gets along with everybody.
Gary: Michael Anthony is the Diplomat of Rock N Roll. He gets along with the brothers; he gets along with Dave and he gets along with me. He is the regular guy. Have you met him?
Jeb: With all the Van Halen stuff going on I have been told I have to wait and wait and wait for an interview. Eventually I hope to get to sit down and talk with him but I haven’t yet.
Gary: Michael plays the music. He is there. He never misses a note and his vocals are vintage Halen. The brothers are running the ship up there.
Jeb: Before we get to far into this I want to plug Spitfire Records who are releasing Tribe of Judah. I really like those guys.
Gary: Paul Bibeau called me personally. He is the one, as far as I am concerned, who is putting us on the map October 22nd. I went to New York a couple of weeks ago and he played it for the whole staff. I love the fact that it is an independent. They’re in the process of latching onto a major -- I don’t know how that went down but they are a small independent who care about the music. Spitfire has been great to us. Who do you know there?
Jeb: I have dealt with Jon Paris and Rob Gill.
Gary: I think I met Rob. I have not yet met Jon.
Jeb: I know Carol Kaye as well. She has her own firm, Kayous Productions, but she does stuff for Spitfire as well.
Gary: I know Carole. We went on about the past. She called me up and I told her I knew her. She was involved with Extreme. We have some mutual friends. She is great. Carol Kaye is a veteran of this business. I am excited about this project. It has been two years since I left Van Halen. I can’t wait to get out on tour and play some old stuff and some new stuff. I am very proud of the band and some of the things we are doing.
Jeb: Why did it take you two years?
Gary: It is relatively fast. It is not as easy as one would think finding the right people. Coming out of Van Halen I knew I didn’t want to put a three piece together as that is what I did with Van Halen and Extreme. So I knew I wanted to try some new stuff and that is where the keyboard came in. I tried to also stick with what I knew best which is writing rock n roll songs and melodies. I am back with Pat Badger, Extreme’s bass player. I am with some new guys and with some old familiar faces. I am as passionate as I was when I was 20. When Tribe goes out on the road we will do theaters and we will do clubs. I don’t care if they are 200 seaters or 500 seaters. I am excited. It has been a while.
Van Halen was almost a dream. It was surreal. In rehearsals I would get calls from friends and family who had heard I was playing with Eddie. I would go, “He’s great. We’re friends.” I didn’t know when it was going to end and I didn’t want to open my eyes. It was fun while it lasted but it never seemed real to me. I could not believe I was in Van Halen.
Jeb: How did you actually join the band?
Gary: Connecting the dots, I guess it would be that Van Halen, at the time was managed by Ray Daniels, who also managed Extreme. They had a falling out with Sammy Hagar and I remember management going, “Gary, pack your bags. You are going to LA to audition for Van Halen.” I remember going, “Get outta here!” Extreme was breaking up at the time. Finally they said, “What do you think?” and I said, “All right. At least I will have a story to tell my friends.” I went there that week and me and Eddie really hit it off as songwriters and also as just people. It lasted three years and I don’t regret one moment. They were great to me. I made some new friends. I made a record that fell short as far as the preconception of what people think Van Halen is but I think going into the project there was a target on my head.
There are a few moments on that record that I am very proud of. On some of it, the production of the songs fell short. I thought the tour was fantastic. That is where the band shines. If I had had a chance to tour with Van Halen before the record then I think it would have been a different record.
Jeb: That is interesting.
Gary: There is no substitute for jamming and getting to know each other on the road. If anything, the record was the result of the studio. It was a studio creation. It might be subtle differences but you can tell the difference between songs that were created in a garage and songs that were created in the studio.
Jeb: I don’t think anyone ever came out and said that Van Halen 3 was not good because of you. Every band has those fans…..
Gary: Die hards.
Jeb: They hated Sammy.
Gary: They hated Sammy for 12 years and they hate him to this day.
Jeb: I don’t mean any disrespect but it was not one of my favorite albums that you have done.
Gary: It is not one of my favorite albums that I have done. Again, some moments on the records, if they were finessed, produced or arranged a little bit better could have fell into that Van Halen sound or a new chapter of Van Halen. “Once” or “What I Want” were songs that I thought were good seeds. They ‘could have been’ if we could have spent more time together, maybe we could have developed a character.
Jeb: Personally, when the album didn’t sell well was it hard to take or was it okay with you?
Gary: Great question. The perspective for me, coming out of Extreme -- to sell 500,000 records ain’t bad. But for Van Halen, who was used to platinum or double platinum…. Their records were slowly not selling as well. I think it was a victim of the age. Balance didn’t sell as much as FUCK. When 5150 came out rock was king. Post Nirvana and Pearl Jam 1996 is a different story. I am not using that as an excuse but there is a different backdrop. When it didn’t sell the writing was on the wall.
When we were on tour we brought out the old catalog and the majority of the fans did appreciate it but in the end, they wanted their Dave. That is what it was. I know for a fact that they did get together after I left and did some songs. I don’t think anything came out of that stuff. I don’t think it worked. Egos and personalities, you know.
Jeb: What was it like being in that soap opera?
Gary: I had two rules. The first rule was don’t get caught up in the he said/she said bullshit. What am I going to do? Prop myself up as a better singer than Dave and Sammy with the back catalog they have? I was younger. I could see the tension between Sam and Dave. Sammy had a career before Hagar and people hated him out of their loyalty to Dave. Dave thought he was bigger than Van Halen the band. So there was this catfight going on for ten years. Eddie and Alex were cat fighting with those guys and I didn’t know the story. What was I going to do? Go in there and prop myself up as the savior? It was a gig to me. It was one record. I had my own history. I was fighting going into every town on tour with DJ’s saying, “Here’s the “More Than Words” guy. He can’t rock n roll blah blah blah.” 9 times out of 10 they would come up and apologize after the show because the show did rock and the music did rock. They had that preconception of me sitting on a stool singing “More Than Words.” Rule two was shut up and prove it on stage. That’s what I did.
Jeb: It is ironic that the album didn’t do so well but the tour was a huge success.
Gary: That is the bittersweet thing. If there was another opportunity now… I would say more than anything, it has been two plus years since Van Halen has been on tour. I wonder if people are regretting the fact that at least with me or with someone else they would have their Van Halen out there. At least with me they could have toured. I certainly had no problem singing the old catalog.
Jeb: Were you a little responsible for the setlist on that tour?
Gary: They came up to me and they asked me if I would do the old stuff. I told them that it would be no problem. I put the tour together. I did some research and tried to pull out some old, classic Van Halen that they had not played in 10 or 15 years. Songs like “I’m The One,” “Romeo’s Delight” and “Unchained.” I think that was Sammy’s mistake. I understand that he was older and that he didn’t want to do the Dave stuff but for me, if I refused to do the old stuff then I truly and rightfully so would have been hated. I thought, if anything, that would please the fans. Even with Extreme, there is nothing like singing a song that 20,000 people know and are singing back to you. I had two catalogs of smash hits to choose from so I wasn’t bitching about that. When I was singing “I’m The One” or “Jamie’s Cryin’” people were actually going out of their mind because it was the first time that they had got to see Eddie, Michael and Alex play those songs. That was a thrill for me. That was one of the reasons the crowd embraced me live. Hopefully the majority said, “It ain’t Dave and it ain’t Sammy but I am getting to hear the mighty Van Halen do “I’m The One.” I had no problem doing that. That was a thrill.
Jeb: Eddie is always saying over and over that he does not want Van Halen to be a nostalgic act.
Gary: I would agree with Eddie that you don’t want to go out and do a greatest hits tour and not have anything vital to say. I think he was saying that if he was going to tour that he was going to have some new material. He wasn’t opposed to playing the old hits. The funny thing was that when I pulled out the songs he had to go, “I’m The One” huh? I don’t play like that anymore. I know I can do it but I am going to have to learn it again.” It was great to see him learning it. I am sitting there in rehearsal and they are hacking through “Beautiful Girls” and I am saying to myself, “Man, would the fans really like to be a fly on the wall hearing all this shit!”
Jeb: You always hear about Eddie the alcoholic and Eddie getting divorced and Eddie has cancer but it seems we forget what a brilliant musician Eddie Van Halen is.
Gary: What separates Eddie Van Halen from the other wannabe guitar heroes that followed him is the songs. He played great leads and he shredded and played melodies but he always did it within the song. “Why Can’t This Be Love” came out in 1986 and here is Eddie Van Halen with a brand new effect on the guitar [hums opening] den na ba dum bem bemp da bum… He hasn’t lost a step.
I think there is some incredible guitar work on the VH3 record. There is some great acoustic work on it. I think some of the arrangements and production on the record fell short. That’s my opinion. If you can sit through some of the long arrangements then you see he is just as sharp as ever.
Jeb: Is VH3 a Van Halen album with Gary Cherone on vocals or is it a Gary Cherone album with Van Halen backing him?
Gary: The funny thing is that when that thing first came out the Van Halen crowd was saying, “That’s Eddie trying to make Gary sound like Sammy.” Extreme fans would go, “That is Van Halen trying to sound like Extreme.” I was like wait a minute: Extreme came out after Van Halen Nuno would be the first to admit Eddie is an influence and a hero. The thing was that Eddie’s familiar guitar and my less familiar but still familiar voice is what they heard. They heard a combination between the two. Sometimes it sounded more like Van Halen and sometimes it sounded more like Extreme. Sometimes it sounded like neither and that seemed to disappoint everybody.
Jeb: I think you just hit the nail on the head.
Gary: The circumstances of how that record was put together… There are some moments that I am really proud of. My favorite Extreme records were the last two. I can’t listen to the first one. A lot of Extreme fans like the first one the best. They think it has the best songs. They can’t get past the first two records but Three Sides and Punchline are my favorites.
Jeb: I think Extreme got screwed twice.
Gary: [laughing] I know what you are going to say.
Jeb: The hair band deal.
Gary: It doesn’t frustrate me anymore but boy did that piss us off. We didn’t gel with Poison and the Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi was the best of the pop metal bands but we never fit in with the hair metal stuff but we were never as hip as the Chili Peppers. We were in the middle and we were always a green thumb no matter where we were. “More Than Words” made us that more of an off color standout. It pissed us off to no end.
Jeb: That is number two reason you got screwed. Lyrically, melodically and the guitar playing on that song are fabulous. To get labeled off of one song isn’t fair. It is just one song.
Gary: Well, it was one song from a band that did a lot of different types of songs. Here is the ballad band. I don’t know if “More Than Words” could have been bigger at the time. It was bigger than the band at the time. If I had a nickel for every time that someone has come up to me and said, “I got married to that song” or “I lost my virginity to that song” or “That is me and my first girlfriends song. I hate her and I hate that song!” It does make me feel good that it really did touch that many people. The song was a monster.
Jeb: I think it even made the VH1 list.
Gary: The Top 50 Hair Bands. At least we were 49th! We almost got out of it. Then there was the Two Hit Wonder program. They had to create a show for that because we weren’t One Hit Wonders. We had a few hits. I am at a stage where I am a little older and I have a little history. I met Stone Temple Pilots at a show in Boston and their guitar player was a huge Extreme fan. Somewhere down the road, Extreme made it’s statement.
Jeb: What broke you guys up?
Gary: I think it just ran its course. I am friends with all of them. Nuno just had a baby. It wasn’t drugs or girlfriends and wives that broke up the band. We had a seven-year successful run of tour/record/tour/record. Nuno wanted to do a solo record and the band needed a break. I was going to do a rock opera in Boston, Jesus Christ Superstar. Nuno had a very frustrating time getting his solo record out that I really understand now that I have been through it trying to get Tribe of Judah out. He was determined to put out his record and he called me up one day and asked me what I would think if he quit the band. I was crushed. I didn’t have time to mourn the death of Extreme because three months later I was in Van Halen. He wanted to do his thing and I respected him. We are all very close and I would not rule out an Extreme record down the road. I feel very privileged to think I wrote some great songs with Nuno. Paul Geary manages Godsmack and Tribe of Judah so the family is there. It is just that everybody is doing their own thing. Don’t rule it out. In a couple of years, who knows?
Jeb: There were rumors that you and Nuno were really butting heads.
Gary: It is so funny. When people don’t get enough information then they make it up. We were trying to keep it quiet. We were saying, “Hey Nuno, take as much time as you need but don’t break up the band.” He felt determined to go out there and sing some songs and write some stuff that he wanted to express. Before you knew it everyone thought I quit the band to join Van Halen! That was not the case. We are still very close. He loves what I am doing with Tribe of Judah.
Jeb: There is one question that I didn’t get to ask about Tribe. There is some controversy over the album cover.
Gary: There are a lot of heavy philosophical themes running throughout the record. In my writing with Extreme I always wrote that way. There are heavy themes on this one as well. The cover photo has me with a gun to my neck. I am not advocating suicide. I am taking the philosophy that man is the measure of his own fate. I was trying to show a bit of irony. I was ready for Spitfire to tell me that they would not put it out but they said that they liked it. They thought they might catch some shit from Wal-Mart but in a world full of Marilyn Manson it might not be that big of deal. Hopefully the image will draw you into the lyrical content on the record. That is my purpose.
Jeb: Let’s be real. Hard rock albums don’t sell like they used to.
Gary: We are in a different world.
Jeb: As an artist that is making this music isn’t that scary?
Gary: I can’t complain because I have had success throughout the years. Some of the hard rock bands today don’t have the history that I have. My history is actually a double-edged sword. People know my name and that can get me in the door but on the same hand people know my name and that can have them shut the door. Some people may go, “We’ve heard of him. He was in Van Halen and Extreme and I don’t like that music so I am not going to listen to his music because it’s not what’s happening.” It is frustrating to me to get people to hear Tribe. How am I going to get across that I am still vital and that I still have some new things to say when people have a preconceived notion of me as the “More Than Words” guy or the third Van Halen guy?
Hip Hop rules the pop charts. The rap/rock thing that has taken over was almost the death to singers. Even in the rock world you had Creed but even he is a baritone. I sing in a higher register and you haven’t heard that on the radio in years. I do appreciate a person like you. Maybe you said, “I know this guy. I am going to put this on and see what he has to offer.” I am looking for the people with the open minds. They can like it or dislike it but at least they listen to it. You got to “Exit Elvis.” I am judging this record by seeing if people mention “Exit Elvis.” It is a crazy track and it would warrant someone to go, “What the hell were you thinking when you wrote that?”
Jeb: There is some Pink Floyd influence on this record.
Gary: There is some Zeppelin in there and there is some Floyd. There are some great riffs. I am a big Pink Floyd fan. That is where a lot of the concept lyrics come from.
Jeb: You have been very generous with your time.
Gary: I have enjoyed our conversation. This has been more of a conversation than an interview.
Jeb: That is the way I like to do it. Everyone asks the same questions all the time anyway. I like to talk about the music. I really don’t care how many groupies you’ve banged. I like our readers to be able to understand the people we interview a bit better as musicians and people.
Gary: Spitfire asked me if I had a problem talking about Van Halen or Extreme. I really don’t. There are people who are just going to want to know what it was like to play with Eddie or know what is going on with Eddie and Valerie. You can sniff out those characters pretty quick. It is part of my history and I have no problem talking about it. You asked some great questions. Right back at ya brother!
Jeb: This has been fun. We are going to get this interview going and try to help ya sell a few records.
Gary: Where are you out of?
Jeb: You are not going to believe me. We are out of Kansas.
Gary: You’re kidding me?
Jeb: We are in the middle of the USA.
Gary: That’s great. You are the heart of rock n roll. Middle America!
Jeb: My Wife was the force that made us start Classic Rock Revisited. I was complaining that no one was giving any press to the great music that I loved and she came up with the idea of starting a website dedicated to the classic hard rock of the 70's and 80's. The ironic part is that she is actually a country music fan.
Gary: That’s cool.
Jeb: I don’t know about that!
Gary: I don’t sing it but that’s all right.
Jeb: We are have branched out across the USA with some freelance writers and we are making a splash. Our mission is to promote the music we love for the people who love the music.
Gary: With the Internet you can stay right at home and make your mark. That is fantastic. I had no idea you were out of Kansas. The world is a much smaller place now. Good for you.
Jeb: If the new music you guys were making sucked then no one would be checking us out and we would have nothing to promote!
Gary: I tell you one thing if you start covering country music then I will have to take you off the link to my website [laughter].
Jeb: I interviewed Charlie Daniels.
Gary: He crossed over. He was part of the early southern rock stuff. He counts. We will let that one slip by!
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