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"Hamas is rejecting any call for ceasefire under occupation," senior Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi said in Gaza City. "The word ceasefire is not in our dictionary. We are being attacked, the Palestinian people, our land, our religious sites are being attacked by Zionist terrorists. This is a situation of self-defense and we will continue to defend ourselves."
Islamic Jihad also rejected the proposal, describing it as "trick".
"What is a three-day ceasefire? Will he [Prime Minister Ariel Sharon] start shelling again after three days? If there is no clear position on ending the occupation and releasing prisoners, we will go back to the cycle of violence," said Mohammed al-Hindi, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip.
"Sharon's proposal looks to us like a trick for international opinion, but in the meantime we are the ones being hit," he said. "We reject this ceasefire."
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BTW, I am almost done writing something on Hamas similar to the Rachel Corrie post above (or to the right - whatever). I will wire my Zionist money to LFG.
I have two things I'm hoping for. One, that Sharon and company actually have the willpower to continue their attacks on Hamas until they are destroyed. Two, that Bush, the State Department, and the U.S. in general will realize that Israel is reacting the same way we would, and let them do it without interference.
According to the Washington ComPost, Rantisi is not a terrorist, but rather, a famous politician.
Of this editorial, The Wall Street Journal states: "In an editorial so fatuous it could have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post opines that 'Mr. Rantisi is not himself a combatant.' He 'represents a movement that engages in terrorism,' the Post allows, 'but his specialty is media interviews, not suicide bombings.' And Osama bin Laden is but a video star."
It's my understanding in a combat zone that cease fire is a two way street. If both sides stop shooting no one gets shot. If one side decides to keep shooting guess what? Hamas is going to keep getting a missile up the ass courtesy of the IDF.
Charles Johnson is my lovechild 6/14/2003 08:11PM PST
What the hell is Bush waiting for? Its going to take a Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Hizballah/Fatah sponsored Sept. 11th for Bush to wake up and reject these Nazis over in the Middle East.
Rantisi was on Geraldo a few minutes ago in a telephone interview, "lamenting" the deaths of Palestinian children. Footage of organized demonstrations. Bizarre.
#11 Lovechild (Love your nic. Ever hear Mojo Nixon's Debbie Gibson is pregnant with my two headed love child)?
Its going to take a Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Hizballah/Fatah sponsored Sept. 11th for Bush to wake up and reject these Nazis over in the Middle East.
I've been saying this for a year. 9-11 is ancient history for way too many of us. The carnage attributable solely to the Islamic reprobates is just something that goes on in some abstract "over there".
I think that as long as bombs aren't blowing up in Times Square or in the Smithsonian Americans will be content to sit this out and watch Laci 24/7.
Once it starts happening again over here it may be too late to do much about it.
Sure ceasefire is in your dictionary. Muhammed was perfectly happy to enter into one, which he violated in bad faith. This sterling example from the warlord's life is used to justify similar lies today, as quoted by Arafat.
In the unlikely event that the US and Israel don't go wobbly on fighting Hamas, they'll start getting arrested by the PLO (think "protective custody"). Hell, if Israel isn't expected to let terrorists serve their time in jail, the PLO will be glad to let them out in the first perceived slight two months later. It's happened before.
While we're on the subject of Rantisi, does it boggle anyone else's mind that this ogre....this ugly, grizzled TROLL is a PEDIATRICIAN? That just astounds me. Who in their right mind would take a child to see a doctor who looks like that. The kid would burst into tears screaming of fright! He's totally horrid looking!
Good point. Why does it seem that every third asshat in these countries is a "doctor"? What do they have to do, draw Winky on a matchbook cover to become an MD?
"DR." precedes Aiman Zawahari (sp), Bin Laden's lieutenant, and, IINM, the female impersonator Hanan Ashrawi gets called "Dr." occasionally, but it may be because she has a doctorate in inciting Jew hatred.
I think it shoud be taken further. The following was posted the other night and I agree with it wholeheartedly:
Every time a suicide bomber hits Israel, fire a missile at that person's home. Blow up his family. That should end the spate of suicide bombings. Permanently.
Every time Israel is shelled, shell back at least 10 times that amount.
Every time an Israeli is killed, kill 10 Palestinian Arabs.
Do not hesitate to blow up a mosque or two after a large attack.
The objective of the State of Israel must be to defeat the Palestinian Arabs, nothing less. The only way to achieve that is to drive them all into utter despair, to convince them that they will never win but will always lose. The only way to send that message is to kill enough of them.
If peace can be achieved, then go in there and put a "Marshall Plan" of sorts in place and rehabilitate them the same way we did with Germany and Japan. But first defeat them. Disabuse them completely of the notion that they can ever achieve anything through violence other than their own miserable deaths.
If there is no clear position on ending the occupation and releasing prisoners, we will go back to the cycle of violence," said Mohammed al-Hindi, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip.
What difference would it make, Mohammed? If the occupation ended tomorrow, and Israel released every terrorist in its custody your thirst for Jewish blood would not be quenched. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aqsa Terror Brigade would not cease their attacks. Israel might as well cut to the chase and take you completely out of the picture.
Until a firm date is set for Israel to withdraw from the territories...more dead Jews
Now, that is funny. Really funny. Just give Hamas, PIJ, AL Aqsa Martys, et al, a date that you will pull out of the territories and...no more killing Jews. Just give them a date for their palm pilots and for the first time in 3,500 years they won't be killing Jews.
Oh, if only you were right, Lou. If only you had a clue.
Note: I'm pretty sure that "Lou Falconetti" (#19) is the same troll that posted similar anti-Israel comments a few days ago under the name "Harry Colombo," from Santa Monica CA.
To No 19 and his fellow amnesiacs, here is a chronological sequence --
1967-1993 -- Israel is in full administrative control of Judea and Samaria (integral parts of the Jewish National Home)
there is occasional terrorism, on a sporadic basis.
1993 on -- Under "Oslo" Israel yields administration of some of these areas and of Gaza to the PLO. Since then, 98 percent of the Cis-Jordan Arabs live under the rule of the PLO, not of Israel.
Terrorism zooms. It is no longer sporadic but constant. It is no longer personal but organized, with the PLO incitiang training and perpetrating the terrorism -- BASED IN THE AREAS FROM WHICH ISRAEL WITHDREW
Logical conclusion -- Israeli withdrawals produce more terrorism, not less.
I agree, this terrorist scum is so hideous looking that I nearly gag when I see him. The other "leaders" of Hamass are also monsters. Are most "Palestinians" this ugly? Maybe that is why there are so angry.
For our non-Israeli friends, here is a map that shows where are the Isreali townships in the disputed territories, including the Gaza strip. And this site presents the Jewish communities in the Gaza strip quite well, IMHO.
Seems odd (not really any more) that every news show the past couple of days is just so so surprisesd about hamas's revelation, as if this is some sudden new twist. I never thought there could be so many "normal" people who make Charles Manson seem quite sane.
Elizabeth ~ last week I was watching the book show on CNN just to see what Michael Moore had to say, Madeline Albright was one of the guests as well speaking about her book... she was talking about this one time at Camp David when her grandson was there for some reason. WHen the baby woke up, arafat happened to be in the room, near the baby. The baby looked up at him and started screaming his little head off. ------------ What I want to know is why on these news reports it is never mentioned that over 100 terrorists were let out of jail as part of a show of goodwill toward the monsters.
I think the site I linked to above, Gaza Coast: A Photoessay, should be seen by your readers. It is really good to get a feel of what's life like for the Jews in the Gaza strip.
"What I want to know is why on these news reports it is never mentioned that over 100 terrorists were let out of jail as part of a show of goodwill toward the monsters. "
Good point. The Israelis are suckers. What the hell did they release them for?
Why doesn't Israel go public about White House threats?
The American people are pro-Israel. The American Congress is pro-Israel and they have multiple tools for breaking a president's balls when they want to.
So why is it that Bush, Sharon, and others keep attempting to mislead us into believing that Hamas and the PLO can be "negotiated with" and is capable of compromise??
The Israelis are suckers. What the hell did they release them for?
We call them "Friers' (Suckers), and being deemed a "Frier" is the worst nightmare of every native born Israeli. We are the world's biggest suckers----and we'll continue to pay for our "frierism" until we wise up, if that ever happens.
"We call them "Friers' (Suckers), and being deemed a "Frier" is the worst nightmare of every native born Israeli."
I know that. Agree with the rest. Fact is that America only has the ability to pressure Israel because of the aid we give Israel. Without it, Israel would be free to do whatever it likes and what would we do about it, invade Israel? Nonsense.
I think it's in Israel's interest to start figuring out how to get itself out of 'owing' America.
The terrible thing is that not only do Americans really support Israel, it's almost as American as apple pie. So who the hell gave our president and our State Department the right to sit on Israel's head and let Arabs kill Jews?!
Ever notice how much Europe hates Israel? Well Americans supporting Israel is one of the ways we define ourselves as better, wiser, more moral and more dedicated to freedom and democracy than the craven Europeans are.
know that. Agree with the rest. Fact is that America only has the ability to pressure Israel because of the aid we give Israel. Without it, Israel would be free to do whatever it likes and what would we do about it, invade Israel? Nonsense.
Absolutely correct! Netanyahu planed a phase-out of US "Aid" to Israel, and reduced the "Aid" from 2.9 billion to 2.5 billion per year before he was tossed from office.
Anyway the US "Aid to Israel" loans (Not Grants such as the 2 billion given to Egypt each year) are really just diplomatic sleight of hand --- providing the illusion of U.S. compliance with the Arab boycott of Israel---thus pleasing the Saudi masters, while still continuing a thriving weapons and logistics business with Israel.
The "Aid" should be ended--and all business should be done in the open, in full view of the world----and screw their opinions and boycott!
I should point out, Tamar, that it is illegal to comply with the Arab boycott in the United States. Companies can and have been penalized for attempting to do so.
Laws like these are passed because Americans are pro-Israel and almost without exception taking a pro-Israel stance in most parts of the U.S. is one of the least controversial politicalstances for a politician to make.
In any case, we've got to do something about the traditional presidential Israel screwing.
#33 Caton: Thanks for the link! I just spent the last hour browsing through that site. Very educational. I had an opportunity to visit Gaza when I was in Israel back in 1999, but blew it.
Everyone who wants to know the geography of the Gaza Strip should visit http://www.gazacoast....
(warning: the link to gushkatif.org brings up a gay porn site )
Fact is that America only has the ability to pressure Israel because of the aid we give Israel. Without it, Israel would be free to do whatever it likes and what would we do about it, invade Israel? Nonsense.
Forget the aid. It's not really important. The real threat is an embargo on spare parts for F-16s and Apaches. Just what the French did in 1967.
I said that before... The first step is to stop the Arab propaganda. No access to Israel or the disputed territories to any media who spews lies. Sue them for libel in any suitable court, in any country. FORCE them to carry Israel's POV at least as much as the Arab lies. Once that is done, there's a chance of progress...
No access to Israel or the disputed territories to any media who spews lies.
The problem is... there are no western journalists there.
ALL of them are... palestinians.
Just look at the photo credits of Reuters/AFP/AP... "Ahmed","Abdullah","Mohammad","Nabil","Marwan"...
Western journalists buy their work for pennies and distribute it as their own "investigative journalism". And if they were to be kicked out of Israel proper, you can be certain the Israeli left fifth column will be more than eager to assist them.
#63 "I wonder, but aren't american jews solidly left?" Yes.
"does socialism trump their religion? Is socialism a stronger religion?" For many, yes.
The diaspora syndrome is a big factor. It manifests itself as a desire to fit in, to blend, to just be like everybody else. One, otherwise very pleasant, Jewish lady told me, with a straight face, that she doesn't like being identified as a Jew. "It's a demeaning word." Their perception of being "fair" is to bend over backwards to defend the "Paleos" & criticize Israel. An erstwhile good friend, who is Jewish, began avoiding me when he discovered that I'm Zionist.
That was in '67. France refused to ship the planes that were already paid for just as the ME began heating up. So the Mossad "borrowed" the plans (which fit into a trailer).
I want to ask American Jews AND My Government why they have not expressed OUTRAGE at the continuing threats against Jews in particular. Starting 15 years ago I would hear... A..News Story(One Story which would promptly go away) about one or the other Alahabet Soup Pal or Islamic Terrorist groups vowing to MURDER Jews all around the world and Hi Profile American Jews and later just Jews PERIOD.
Do you imagine you could have several countries vowing to whipe out African Americans and NO ONE saying a word about it or making it a huge issue?
What in the F**K is going on? Where IS my Govent proclaiming for ALL to hear, that this is UNEXCEPTABLE...BIGOTED..HIDEOUS...NAZI-LIKE?
Eh...why is my GOvent doing business with any of these Countries that these terrorists are alligned with? The fiction that these groups are not connected with NATIONS..Specific Nations.. is a flat out lie. Plausable Denieability to the extreme.
NOW..America isnt saying much either about the threats to ALL Americans. Has my Govnt and my Nation LOST ITS MIND? Do they not realize what is going on in the mind of a significant portion of the Islamic World? Are we committing SUICIDE? as a Nation? Or what?
Personally I think it is time to SCREAM bloody murder about these "games" that are going on..set up by American and European Arabists and the State Dept. Hellooooo...Thats where ALL the attention should be focused on. NOT to change this is NOT to be the Supreme Country in the world..REAL SOON...Sooner than you think.
Oh, but NPR (and WNYC) refers to Hamas, IJ, et al. as "militias." I kid you not. As if they are comparable to the Minutemen in Concord in 1776! I guess that National Palestinian Radio has decided that it's too harsh to call them "militants," let alone the "terrorists" that they are.
I wrote them a furious letter asking them what it takes to call people who deliberately set out to murder men, women and children in buses and in their beds (and whose deeds are then celebrated in the streets and by proud parents) terrorists.
I also told them that I was going to encourage everyone I know not to contribute/renew their memberships and not to listen any more. This post is the first intallment in carrying out my promise, although I doubt there are many NPR listeners here anyway.
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