9/14/2004

Congressman who has voted against gay rights believed gay; Newspapers said to have deliberately muzzled reporters on gay issues

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Dreier’s 2000 challenger says she was aware Dreier was living with chief of staff… Developing…

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

A Republican congressman from California who has repeatedly voted against gay rights measures is said to be gay himself, and at least three MediaNews Group newspapers are said to have instructed its reporters not to ask questions about the congressman’s sexuality or how it relates to public policy.

After RAW STORY ran an article suggesting that Congressman David Dreier, R-CA, might be gay, Hustler Magazine revealed that they planned a major expose exploring the conflict between the congressman’s sexuality and his positions on gay rights.

Michael Rogers, the gay activist who outed Dreier Thursday on his site, blogACTIVE, said he “was especially interested in talking with Brad Smith about his living arrangements with the Congressman here in DC.” He added Thursday that he wondered how Smith felt when Dreier claimed to be dating woman.

Brad Smith is Rep. Dreier’s chief of staff. Dreier’s 2000 challenger has also said she was aware Dreier was living with Smith.

Rogers was largely responsible for the resignation of Rep. Ed Schrock (R-Va), after he posted a suggestion that the congressman might be gay Aug. 19. He subsequently posted three audio clips which allegedly reveal Schrock leaving voicemails on a gay phone sex service.

Hustler also released a letter sent to the editor of a newspaper in Dreier’s district which suggests that the paper deliberately worked to keep Dreier’s sexuality and his positions on gay issues off the front page.

Another individual has also told RAW STORY she set up a liaison between the congressman and another man. She added that she believes Dreier thinks of himself as bisexual.

Hustler issued a statement Friday detailing their investigation.

“Hustler believes that the best way to deal with what appears to be glaring examples of hypocrisy is to expose them and bring them into full relief in front of the public,” the magazine said. “Our team of journalists in New York City covering the GOP convention struck gold—the details of which are to be published in an upcoming issue this fall.”

Hustler also says the media has played along in a charade to preserve the Dreier’s heterosexual facade. They released a copy of a letter written by Hustler Features Editor Mark Cromer and mailed to Phil Drake, city editor of the MediaNews-owned San Gabriel Valley Tribune, which inquires about editorial guidelines governing the coverage of Rep. Dreier.

When questioned by phone Tuesday, Hustler named two other MediaNews papers which had been sent similar letters: the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin and the Pasadena Star News.

MediaNews Group is run by conservative media mogul Dean Singleton, who, in 1996, donated $500 to Colorado Senator Wayne Allard [R]. Allard was a cosponsor of the Senate version of the Federal Marriage Amendment, an amendment which would have constitutionally banned gay marriage.

The full text of the letter will be released late this evening or early Wednesday at RAW STORY and blogACTIVE.

The letter alleges the paper has specific editorial guidelines when it comes to questioning Rep. Dreier on “issues concerning sexuality and how it relates to public policy.”

Drake roundly denied the paper had any policy regarding Congressman Dreier or any other public official.

“We have no such policy,” Drake said. “We never have and I don’t forsee we ever will.”

Drake declined to comment on whether the paper had ever received information or explored issues relating to the Congressman’s sexuality.

Hustler calls Tribune editor “liar”

Hustler’s Cromer blasted back, saying that Drake was a “liar.” He said the papers considered Dreier a “sacred cow.”

“Was there a memo put out?” Cromer said. “No. Was there very specific guidelines? Sure.”

“You don’t have to put out a memo saying deserters will be shot,” he added. “The newspapers didn’t have to put out a memo to tell reporters that if they asked David Dreier embarassing questions about his sexuality they’d be fired.”

“The people in Dreier’s district have to ask themselves: have they been served by their newspapers?”

In a statement to RAW STORY, the magazine said, “Hustler knows that Rep. Dreier has enjoyed for many years the benefit of a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell policy’ of the Republican-controlled newspapers in his home district, the very benefit that most Americans don’t enjoy and thus suffer blatant discrimination as a result, including job termination.”

Congressman regularly voted against gay rights

The 52-year-old single congressman voted for the Marriage Protection Act in July, a measure that would have stripped federal courts of jurisdiction over challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act, which bans the federal government from recognizing gay partnerships. Dreier did not vote on the latest amendment to constitutionally ban gay marriage, and said he was against it.

Dreier, a Christian Scientist, also voted for the original Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 and a measure that banned gays from adopting in Washington, D.C. He has a 92 percent favorability rating from the Christian Coalition, and was elected with Ronald Reagan in 1980.

Hustler sent Dreier a letter Sept. 7 asking to interview him about the “intersection of human sexuality, national politics and the conservative agenda.” They have not received a response.

When asked if he was heterosexual on a Sirus Radio interview Aug. 31, Rep. Dreier refused to answer.

“I’m not going to talk about that issue,” Dreier said. “That’s really not what I’m here about.”

Hustler said they hope the congressman will come forward and address the issue.

“This has nothing to do with what a public official does in private,” they said. “It has everything to do with the consistency of a political party’s agenda and the honesty of its members.”

Dreier viewed as shining star of Republican House contingent

Congressman Dreier is viewed as the Silicon Valley’s man in Washington and an affable star of the House Republican leadership. In a July profile published by the San Jose Mercury News, the paper

  said he had become a leading public face for the party.

“More eloquent than understated House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., and more ingratiating than tough-talking Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, Dreier has emerged as the House GOP leadership’s public face on television,” a reporter wrote.

Charlie Black, an adviser to the Bush re-election campaign, told the paper the Bush attitude is, ‘’Get him on every show you can.'’

Rep. Dreier is the chair of the powerful Rules Committee in the House of Representatives. He played a large role in the recall of former California governor Gray Davis, and in the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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  1. Scratch a homophobe…reveal a closet queen! Why do so many of these conflicted individuals make it into the upper echelons of the Republican Party hierarchy? Could it be that their hypocrisy goes unnoticed or unacknowledged among the right-wing conservatives who control that Party? It’s time for an “integrity transplant"!

    Comment by Joe Hill — 9/12/2004 @ 2:35 pm

  2. This is absurd. And trash.

    Comment by Douchebag McGraw — 9/12/2004 @ 4:47 pm


  3. Look at David Brock. They get into politics for one reason, it just takes one little event for them to choose sides, and then they spend the rest of their lives fighting for those who discriminate against them.

    Comment by Mike — 9/12/2004 @ 6:11 pm

  4. Look at David Brock?! David Brock is an American Hero. He realized what he did was wrong and spoke truth to it.

    What do the right wingers want? Blind following with so much stubbornness that people don’t want to admit they were duped by the losers in the Bush family twice.

    Comment by Anonymous — 9/12/2004 @ 7:58 pm

  5. I admire David Brook and his seemed a very Christian type story of a guy who repents and sees the light. I gave his book to my conservative GOP ex-father-in-law for his opinion. Was surprised it was “twisted, disturbed young man who admits he lied half the time, why should I believe him now?” It’s the gay thing that gets them and makes its easier to convince themselves they are not being lied to. Now they will just say good riddance to former leaders while accusing liberals and Democrats for being hypocrits for outing them.

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    Comment by Easter Lemming Liberal News — 9/13/2004 @ 1:55 am

  6. It couldn’t possibly happen to a more deserving guy. There are several other Republicans who are following the same script.

    If they can’t be honest about their sexuality (who they are in the core) then how can we trust them at all?

    Comment by Ron — 9/13/2004 @ 10:13 am

  7. Oh, I hope Santorum is next. Or even Bush! It would rock if the truth about W’s relationship with Victor Ashe came out before the election.

    Comment by joe — 9/13/2004 @ 10:56 am

  8. Good…

    I wish Hustler would look into a few more…Santorum would be a fine start. Musgrave, that imp in Colorado, is hiding something too.

    Comment by ezra — 9/13/2004 @ 11:43 am

  9. Once again your hypocracy goes unchecked, you people really are unbelievable. Now you’re cruxifying homosexuals who don’t agree with YOUR homosexual agenda. How many of you are even homosexual. Its par for the course. You cry when 250 vets come out against Kerry, yet its perfectly acceptable for you, Kerry himself, and everyother democrat phony to question Bush’s guard service for the 1 millionth (is that superscripted?) time. Kerry talked about running a positive campaign, well its only Bush that has called for a stop to 527’s, and its only Bush who’s had nothing bad to say about Kerry’s service. You people are sometimes so pathetic. You act and talk in every way shape and form you supposedly despise. Wake up and see your own hypocracy for once.

    Comment by No1ButBush2004 — 9/13/2004 @ 1:11 pm

  10. This really is a non-issue. I don’t care if my rep is attracted to rocks, just so long as he represents my interests (i.e., he closely matches my political idealogy).

    Why can’t the LEFTISTS in this country come up with good reasons for someone to vote FOR them instead of desperately digging up any dirt they can find on candidates in an attempt to smear them and destroy their lives? Are the policy proposals so bad that they have to rely on this type of garbage to “win” elections? Sad.

    Oh, and surely if you can be CATHOLIC and vote PRO-CHOICE, then you can be gay and still be in FAVOR for the DOMA. Right????

    Comment by Susie — 9/13/2004 @ 1:27 pm

  11. I’d rather vote for a gay conservative than a heterosexual RINO.

    Comment by Conservative Woman — 9/13/2004 @ 1:30 pm

  12. First of all, I am a homosexual. It is always the “homosexual agenda,” right? How come you don’t call Bush’s policies the corporate agenda, the oil agenda. If a republican paid for his wife to have an abortion, while fighting against the right to choose, that would be important information. I don’t care if David Drier is homosexual and thinks that marriage should be limited a man and a woman. However, he should be honest about himself and how he can justify that position. I love it, you Republicans were so concerned about Clinton’s life, and spent about ten times as much money investigating his sex life than your President gave the 9/11 investigation. So personal life isn’t important when you are a gay republican, but if you get a blow job from an intern and you are a Democrat, then it becomes an important national issue. And, for the record, to suggest that it is “Leftists” who engage in digging up dirt on someone is so funny that I can’t stop laughing. What do you think Bush pays Karl Rove for??

    Comment by chicagoDEM — 9/13/2004 @ 3:01 pm

  13. OK what is the Victor Ashe story?

    Comment by John O — 9/13/2004 @ 3:28 pm

  14. When some in Congress began inquiries in the fall of 2003, Ashe in December, 2003, gave up being Knoxville Mayor and was appointed by George W. Bush, the occupant and resident of the White House, as the U.S. Ambassador to Poland. That is, getting Ashe out of the U.S. jurisdiction, not available to nosey Congressmen.

    Bush and Ashe are both members of the satanic cult, “Skull & Bones", headquartered in a windowless building, and called “The Tomb” on the campus of Yale University. Part of the initiation procedure is for the new proposed member to divulge his entire sexual history, to several other Bonesmen, so that when he is shoved up into high office, government, finance, etc., he can be blackmailed into silence. The new member has to cavort, au naturel, sometimes more than once, with another Bonesman in a double-size coffin filled with mud.
    secret pictures of this, reportedly ended up in the possession of the picture editor of a group of magazines run by American Media, Inc., AMI, headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida. That editor was Bob Stevens. Being of near-sighted vision, he took off his glasses and he opened up an envelope addressed to him, holding it close up to his face, breathing thus in spores of anthrax, from which he soon thereafter died.

    Comment by Anonymous — 9/13/2004 @ 4:37 pm

  15. You people on the right don’t seem to get it. You gave up the right to claim the moral highground and eschew the politics of personal destruction when you brutally went after Clinton. Sorry, but payback is a bitch ain’t it? And Kitty Kelley’s new book sez Bush is gay too. Ha ha! I don’t care whether it’s true or not, but it’s published now, it’s floating out there, and there’s nothing you can do about it. Reap the whirlwind, ya bastards!

    Comment by reef the dog — 9/13/2004 @ 8:56 pm

  16. Uhm, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Kerry also belong to Skull & Bones? Who has the goods on him?

    Comment by Laughing Crow — 9/13/2004 @ 9:45 pm

  17. First, I AM a homosexual, so I guess this means some people think I have more of a right to an opinion on the matter. I have a problem with this type of outing for many reasons. Most relevant in this case: The press treats “gayness” as an accusation not simply a statement of fact. Outing someone in today’s political climate is WORSE in many people’s minds than accusing them of adultery or secret abortions or Oval Office hijinx. Using outing as a weapon against those who’s votes are anti-gay supports this IGNORANT view of homosexuality.
    As for gay politicians who vote anti-gay, big surprise. We live in a homophobic/heterosexist society. Almost every gay person goes through some period of self-hatred because of this. Some never move past that point. Gay/anti-gay politicians and the prophets of ex-gaydom are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told by GLBT people–even prominent members of our community–that I should curb myself b/c homosexuality makes heterosexuals uncomfortable. (By the way, I do NOT reveal the details of my bedroom to anyone. However, if a heterosexual person makes a statement about “My boyfriend and I…” etc., I may respond in kind with “My girlfriend and I…” etc. That’s it.)
    Just my humble opinion as a homosexual. Not that that makes my opinion any more valid or to say that I speak for all homosexuals. We’re the most diverse minority in human history, no one speaks for all of us.

    Comment by Melinda Barton — 9/14/2004 @ 12:02 am

  18. No1butBush, you are an idiot. You praise Bush for his position to eliminate 527’s, but if you had a brain you would see that his position is not only anti-free speech, it also contradicts Bush’s own past DEFENSE of 527’s in 2000. And of course Bush doesn’t need to attack Kerry’s record–he has those 250 vets you mentioned do it for him. And if you think that was not encouraged by the White House, you are a bigger idiot than I already think you are. That group was a GOP operation all the way–look at who has financed and coordinated it, you schmuck.

    Comment by jason — 9/14/2004 @ 1:18 am

  19. “If they can’t be honest about their sexuality (who they are in the core) then how can we trust them at all?”

    This is the key. Even the Log Kabin types worship Bush because of his openess about the ‘love’ he has for his family and his opposite-sex bedroom partner. Remember both Bush and Cheney led with the issue of their lovers at the Republican convention. You see for straight people, orientation has NEVER been a private issue. Even Log Kabinnites recognize that. It is only when you start talking about a gay politician that everything must be hush-hush in order to perpetuate their second class status and maintain control over them thru fear (and also send a hidden message that they are obligated to attack and condemn other gays, even if only silently). Dreier is a pig who has taken advantage of this situation for years. If he truly believes that the orientation is dangerous to children, harms the military, and cannot be holy enough for marriage, then why isn’t he seeking ex-gay transformation therapy? This fact alone proves that he is total hypocrite. Because if he comes out and announces that he thinks his own gay orientation is healthy, normal, natural, and unchangeable … the right wing (including Bush) will crucify him. Time to shut up or put up Log Kabin scum.

    Comment by Jason — 9/14/2004 @ 6:47 am

  20. “Oh, and surely if you can be CATHOLIC and vote PRO-CHOICE, then you can be gay and still be in FAVOR for the DOMA. Right????”

    Look, there are respectable Jews who deny the Holocaust as well as some Negroes who honor the Bible’s verses about a slave honoring his master. I even know a few other Jews who renounced their heritage and joined a group called WAR (White Aryan Resistance) led my Tom Metzger. He only allows them to be associate members as long as they pay their dues and help with the cause. All these different viewpoints need to be respected and acknowledged equally. I am sick of people judging those of us who believe God did NOT create everyone equally.

    Comment by Richard — 9/14/2004 @ 6:54 am

  21. First of all - great job: keep outing the bastards. Too bad we can’t shave their heads and drag them through the streets like the Nazi sympathizing scum that they are . . .

    On the Bush/Ashe thing - As a native Knoxvillian, I think it’s pertinent to clarify a few things on this one:

    * Ashe did not “give up” being mayor of Knoxville; he was term-limited out, after the City Charter was changed to include term limits for both Mayor and City Council offices. The main reason for this was that Ashe looked like he was going to be “Mayor-for-life"; he ultimately held the office for four terms, and without the term limits, he would still be mayor, no doubt.

    * Ashe did to K-town what Bush has done to the country - used cronyism and odd tax philosophy to ruin the town. Under his leadership, two major corporations moved their national HQ elsewhere; we lost major routes from the airlines; downtown was sacrificed so that Ashe’s construction cronies could sprawl junk malls and McMansions over good farm land and wetlands.

    More in a second

    Comment by K-Town Queer — 9/14/2004 @ 6:54 am

  22. I made a comment earlier, but it didn’t take . . .

    Testing this time . . .

    Comment by K-Town Queer — 9/14/2004 @ 6:59 am

  23. Jerry Weller, the rep from illinois who just married Rios Mont’s daughter (rios mont-former dictator of guatemala, perhaps their most brutal, the daughter is a right wing congresswomen in guatemala). he is widely known in his home area of the chicago south suburbs to be gay, as are several of his staffers. all the sudden when the heat was turned on, he marries a women he won’t see but three or four times a year.

    Comment by mike boggio — 9/14/2004 @ 7:06 am

  24. Closet cases who fight AGAINST Gays and Lesbians need to be outed. They get nice little perks, we get fired and beaten and attacked by haters going on about the “Gay Agenda"… Here’s our agenda… to live our lives in HONESTY…

    Comment by Out the Haters — 9/14/2004 @ 9:50 am

  25. OK - this is working now . . . MORE on “Victoria” Ashe . . .

    Its an OPEN SECRET that the man is gay; has been ever since his wife, talking while intoxicated to her bridge partners, spilled the beans on his “problem".

    While mayor, V. frequently took overseas trips (on his own dime) to Asia; was always commented about in the local press, which, while pro-Republican, always reported the trips with a tone of contempt. This may be due to the fact that the rumor has been for some time that Ashe went to Asia to buy the services of young Asian boys . . . If you want to out this guy, the first place to look is in these countries. In the process, you might just find the holy grail against his Yale roomie - Bush - because I’ve read in a couple of places that they’ve “met secretly” outside the US more than once. Perhaps they both enjoy the company of young Asian boys ?!?!?!?

    ALSO: While mayor, he was part of a “non-binding” resolution passed by City Council denouncing homosexuality as a “sin” or some such crap . . .

    Comment by K-Town Queer — 9/14/2004 @ 11:00 am

  26. This is beyond a ‘Republican’ and ‘Democrat’ issue. This is about right and wrong.
    Anyone who would support a ‘president’ (term used loosely) that would write discrimination into the Constitution and lies every time he opens his mouth is a complete and total fool. They sure are quick to take our tax dollars but not so quick to give us the representation that comes with them!
    I am gay, CHRISTIAN, and a decent, law-abiding citizen. I work full-time, put myself through college and my tax dollars help pay for this stupid, overpriveleged hole just like everyone else’s. I am SICK TO DEATH of hearing about the ‘Gay Agenda’ (no such thing - more b.s. from the ignorants) and ‘gay rights’. MY RIGHTS ARE NOT IN QUESTION because my tax dollars pay for them.
    The time for talking is done. Talking has accomplished nothing. It’s time to start exposing these liars and closet queers in D.C. and everywhere else. And, p.s. - I agree: Payback’s a BITCH, ain’t it? We had to listen to you smarmy-ass ‘Republicans’ bitch day and night about Monica this and Bill’s cigar that. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you can’t take it.
    Take your medicine, Titty Babies! You can dish it out, and you WILL by-God take it right back.
    I think we should start a big gay riot. I could use a new T.V.

    Comment by Tara Newhole — 9/14/2004 @ 1:44 pm

  27. “If a republican paid for his wife to have an abortion, while fighting against the right to choose, that would be important information. I don’t care if David Drier is homosexual and thinks that marriage should be limited a man and a woman. However, he should be honest about himself and how he can justify that position”

    I don’t know why this has to be repeated over and over again. It should just be apparent by now. It is not about ruining people’s lives or about pay back/revenge. Drier purports to make descisions on behalf of the American majority, but that justification rings not only false but also hypocritical in light of the fact that he himself is part of the very group he actively seeks to disenfranchise.

    Comment by Cam — 9/14/2004 @ 3:05 pm

  28. And when will the Lindsay Graham story come out? You don’t really think he’s straight, do you??

    I am Gay and the only item on my agenda is to live free.

    Every Republican who is Gay, or even straight but has Gay relatives needs to put a face on their name calling. I was born in this country, I pay taxes and I have supported myself for at least 32 of my 52 years. I have no interest in hearing cry-baby Republicans spit out their mindless hate.

    Comment by Terry Turner — 9/14/2004 @ 3:30 pm

  29. Republicans are currently against beauty and truth - all in the name of “good vs. evil.” Yet most of them in truth partake of beautiful things they’ve relegated to “evil.” What is their parsing of a good that prefers ugilness to beauty (e.g. environmental destructions) and lies to truth (e.g. swift liars)? They pretend to be Christians, but have no knowledge of Christ. The neocons are evidently Straussians - thus their “moral clarity” - so we have Platonists taking a stand for their geometric ideal against all evidence of the senses and the world.

    Consider, roughly speaking ugliness and lies are evil, and beauty and truth is good. Love between people is true and beautiful. Yet some of them, being evil, are ashamed of the beauty and truth of their own love. Being evil, and being like other creatures of darkness burned by the sun of beautiful truth - yes, out them! Celebrate what’s beautiful in their lives by truly revealing it. If this knocks back some of the power of evil in our government, rejoyce.

    Comment by Strange Erhere — 9/14/2004 @ 4:54 pm

  30. We are going to out every last one of these hypocrites, be they TV evangelists who scream against gays and lesbians or politicians who vote against our rights. The free ride is over. This is war. If your gay or lesbian tummy is too weak for it, then just sit it out and the rest of will do the dirty work for you. In the spirit of the first drag queen who threw the first bar stool at the cops who raided the Stonewall Inn, welcome to cyber-Stonewall.

    Comment by chris cameron — 9/14/2004 @ 5:17 pm

  31. So, if Junior is gay, what’s Laura been up to? Princess Jenna and Princess not-Jenna appear to have different fathers. Do they look at all alike to you?

    Comment by Lost in space — 9/14/2004 @ 5:36 pm

  32. I will never understand. My gay friends and relatives are great people. Even if it were “catching” which it isn’t, or caused by abuse, or an abomination as the Bible speaks of that and eating shell fish making them equally bad (or equally good), what does a marriage amendment have to do with anything? Did the country prosper when it tried to lock up all the drinkers?

    Comment by karen price — 9/14/2004 @ 6:01 pm

  33. I think there is something inherentyly dishonest about a Gay man voting to discrimmnate against himself, does he feel that he will never be subject to that discrimanation? If that is the case he surely should be outed and feel what it is like. Perhaps he would learn to feel what it is like to have his job at risk, As a gay man,men like these are a a direct threat to my husband, children and me. As a gay man I am tired of having the my most precious possesion used to curry politcal favor.

    Comment by Spud — 9/14/2004 @ 6:26 pm

  34. You clowns on the right whine the loudest when it happens to you. Yet, you are the masters of innuendo and the politics of slime. Therefore, shut the hell up and take it. Stop whining!!! I stopped giving a damn about what the right thinks when I left the party to become an independent.

    Live by the sword and die by the sword.

    Comment by Cynskeptirealist — 9/14/2004 @ 6:55 pm

  35. I get hearty chuckles when people come on and attempt to reframe the argument with a pathetic straw man – it’s even better when they misspell “hypocracy". Finish high school much?

    Comment by aaron — 9/14/2004 @ 8:25 pm

  36. RE: Spud’s last comment. On some level there must be something dishonest in a gay man discriminating against other gays, for his own personal gain. But its worse that this, its just unethical. Let’s say that since Drier is gay himself, and for what we know, has been leading a fairly open gay life, he doesn’t think gays are abberrant second-class citizens or are going to roast in eternal hell fire. Unlike the religious conservatives, Drier has no justification (e.g religion) for discriminating against gays except personal advancement and it is for this reason that I find his posturing unethical. By virtue of his privileged class position, Drier has access to all the benefits he withholds from me and my family as a gay person. He is also shielded from all the anti-gay prejudice that he works to ensure remains entrenched in our society, but that continues to be a problem in every facet in my life. This, I feel, cannot be borne. It is bad enough that anyone–regardless of their party affiliation or their sexuality–has this kind of control over my family’s life, but it is worse when said person is gay, is benefiting is ways that his privileged position allows AND still disenfranchises others for his own gain.

    Comment by Cam — 9/14/2004 @ 9:22 pm

  37. You go guys….get this hypocrite. I’ve been listening to him spin the republican b.s. for years and am so happy now his hypocrisy is being exposed. Chief of Staff indeed! I think I know what staff he is chief of…..

    Comment by Bob — 9/14/2004 @ 9:42 pm

  38. I don’t get it ! If he does his job, represents his constituents, and keeps his person life to himself. What concern is it for you or me he is not hurting either one of us. He is not out there trying to shove the gay right s issues down my throat, in a parade throwing condems, demanding more rights for aids research (95% of the time aids is the results of a bad choice) no one held a gun to your head. Having had diadeties for 28 years birthday gift when I turned 16 or people who get cancern these people had no choice it just happens. I have compasion for gay people but I deplore the act IT’S NOT THE WAY IS
    Having gay tendancies has to be difficult!
    Having dabeties is difficult!
    Having cancer is difficult!
    No one promised you it would be easy
    as amatter of fact we were told just the oppisite read the Bible
    THAT’S THE WAY IT IS

    Comment by Steve — 9/14/2004 @ 11:37 pm

  39. I don’t think the GOP leadership gives a rat’s ass about gay issues one way or another, except to the extent that homophobia can be exploited as a political wedge issue. They are utterly cynical about gay issues, as well as abortion. They know these hot-button social topics can be employed to fire up their wingnut base. The real suckers here are all the devout little Republicans who actually believe that their party bosses care sincerely about this stuff.

    Comment by old grizzly — 9/14/2004 @ 11:53 pm

  40. I was in Law School with Victor Ashe and it was not common knowledge there that he was gay. There have been rumors around town since then however.

    Comment by Pogo in Knoxville — 9/14/2004 @ 11:55 pm

  41. I think he should turn to Truth, that makes free.
    If he is gay he should say it and continue his work

    Perhaps he should reconsider his position on gay rights.

    “divine Love has always met every human need and alwas will” (mary baker eddy)

    Comment by volker — 9/15/2004 @ 8:37 am

  42. You couldn’t be more correct about the fact that the local newspapers make sure that Mr. Dreier’s charmed life continues at the expense of the public’s right to know. I was the Democratic candidate for Congress against Mr. Dreier in 2000. The Pasadena Star News/SGV Tribune knew that I had commissioned a poll which revealed that Dreier had a 40% approval rating in the District. For an incumbent like Dreier, this should have been front page news. The newspapers refused to cover this congressional race or to mention my name in any way, shape or form from the time I announced my candidacy. When it came to their endorsement of Dreier, they refused to even mention me or that there even was a Democratic candidate! How is that for letting the public know what is going on in the local elections? When I called Pasadena Star News Editor, Larry Wilson, about why the race wasn’t being covered, he called me “aggressive.” I guess this meant the local paper wants congressional candidates to be “passive” particularly when it comes to getting the word about one’s candidacy. Despite this lack of publicity, I went on to get 40% of the vote in this 5-person race. Redistricting occurred and Mr. Dreier’s charmed life continues. After this election, editorial page editor, Steve Scauzillo, wrote an op-ed piece in the Pasadena Star News (I believe it was 10/13/00) about how much he adores (meaning admiration rather than anything sexual) David Dreier because of a plane trip that they took together where Dreier was charming. And so it goes in the San Gabriel Valley. We have a committee chair (Dreier) who bought his position in 9/98 by giving $500,000 to the RNC. Now he is termed out as the Rules Committee Chair. He could have done so much to clean up the air and water pollution as well as to really do something significant to improve the traffic gridlock that many of us face every day. He exemplifies government at its worst. His sexual preference is of no interest to me.

    Comment by Janice Nelson, MD — 9/15/2004 @ 11:33 am

  43. No sour grapes aye doc…la

    Comment by TheSuaveOne — 9/15/2004 @ 1:43 pm

  44. Saying the Dreier should vote for special rights for homosexuals makes no more sense than saying a millionaire politician can’t vote for higher taxes on the rich.

    Comment by randy — 9/15/2004 @ 3:17 pm

  45. I find it amusing that grown women and men can still behave so irrationally and childishly when it comes to politicians, politics, religion, homo, hetero or bi- sexuality. First and foremost, is it really anyones business? No! This all boils down to GOSSIP, and the fact that everyone wants to talk about someone else. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. The only thing that should matter is whether or not, he does, has done, or will do a good job in the future. Why should his sexuality matter? OH, I forgot, if gay why would he be against any type of gay rights? Well, perhaps, he truly feels it is wrong although he himself may be gay… as we all must make decisions everyday in which we know right from wrong, but may still choose to do wrong. Such as, knowing it’s wrong to lie, but still lying, knowing it’s wrong to gossip yet gossiping away to the first person whom will listen. Grow up people, mind your own business and vote your own conscience on every issue, including whom you believe would be the best president. Forget the bull crap and the mudslinging and make an informed decision by leaving out the gossip. Our current presidential candidates should also stop the childish crap and get down to business.

    One other issue I would like to address is the fact that city editor Phil Drake was attacked and called a liar in the above article. Knowing this individual personally I can state emphatically that the person writing the article was very much misinformed. Phil Drake did not do as he was accused, and performs his job to the best of his ability. Gossip, gossip, gossip. Take notice, there is no real interview with Mr. Drake.

    Good luck to you all.

    Comment by LJ — 9/15/2004 @ 4:32 pm

  46. This makes my day, if not the year. If this phony is outed I will dance in the street.

    For those who live in So. Calif, you know the John and Ken show on Kfi has been trying to get this piece of crap on his stance, no stance on illegal immigration.

    I can not hide my glee, let this be true and I will not have sex for a month….maybe a week……ethier way this is very exciting news.

    Next month Rick “where’s my gerbel” Santorum.

    Comment by Ike — 9/15/2004 @ 5:08 pm

  47. I understand Dapper Dave is about to issue a press release promising to continue to stand behind his chief of staff.

    Comment by Anonymous — 9/15/2004 @ 7:40 pm

  48. First, who cares if he’s gay? I don’t. It’s been my experience that one’s sexualtiy – gay or straight – is personal. It’s also been my experience that coming out could be quite traumatic and should be done when the person is ready to do so. (Trust me, I know.) I hate Republicans and I think this guy out of office is a good thing, but I think “outing” him shows hypocrisy on the part of “Hustler.” Why? They’re holding this person up and saying “Look at him, he’s gay!” As if it is somehow wrong to be gay. If we start outing every congressperson on their sexuality, we should also be saying “Hey, look, they’re straight!” They call him a hypocrite because he’s gay and votes against gay issues. Maybe he truly feels gays shouldn’t be married. He may be a self-depricating homosexual, but that’s his business. Also, if you’d care to look, Dreier’s district is pretty conservative. His job is to vote for the majority of the people, and unfortunatley, that’s what he’s doing.

    Last, but certainly not least, I think it’s dangerous to call someone a “Liar” when there is no proof. What proof does the Hustler writer have that Phil Drake is one? Why wasn’t that outlined in the story. I’m an avid news reader and I try not to believe what is written unless there is proof. I find it dubious the Hustler writer didn’t ask the reporters for that newspaper themselves, since they’re the ones who have to ask Dreier the questions. Have they ever heard such a policy? I think I know why they weren’t asked. If the Hustler reporter had asked all of them, and they all said no, his story would be chopped in half. To me that seems like he isn’t too confident that the newspaper has a don’t-ask-don’t-tell policy when it comes to Dreier, which, I think, makes the rest of his “scoop” lack credibility. But that’s just me. I think Dean Singleton giving some anti-gay right-wing nut five-hundred whole dollars (Wow, that musta broke the bank) is hardly proof that the editor at the newspaper is a liar. I bet anyone here a million bucks that Mr. Drake has never even met Dean Singleton. That guy owns tons of newspapers not only in California, but all over the country.

    So before I jump on this bandwagon, I’d like these questions to be asked. Oust the Republican, HELL YES! Do do cuz he’s gay, no.

    Comment by Elu — 9/15/2004 @ 8:12 pm

  49. If all the closeted gay men in the Republican Party high positions left, would there be anybody left??

    Comment by Hephaestion — 9/15/2004 @ 8:39 pm

  50. What I find absolutely hilarious about the right wingers and the gay agenda is the fallacy of so many of their arguments, especially about gay marriage. They spout this fact that for 2,000 years its been one man, one woman. I laugh so hard because they obviously don’t know history. Until the mid-14th century same-sex unions were performed regularly in the church. Numerous manuscripts survive all throughout Europe of the service, which usually invokes the Ss. Serge and Bacchus.

    And I think that Republicans who are gay themselves, but continue to preach intolerance are putting young gay and lesbians at risk for hate crimes.

    Comment by Ken — 9/15/2004 @ 10:40 pm

  51. Do any of you who want Dreier left alone because his alleged bisexuality is his private business expect the rest of us to believe that the Right would leave Sarah Brady alone if it turned out that she enjoys target practice with her AK-47 every Thursday afternoon?
    Okay, that’s purely made up.
    How about leaving the Clintons alone because they sent Chelsea to a private school instead of a public school in spite of being against publicly funded “school choice"? I seem to recall plenty of public comment on that particular personal decision.

    Comment by Paul — 9/16/2004 @ 1:00 am

  52. From your post/article:

    Congressman Dreier is viewed as the Silicon Valley’s man in Washington [emphasis mine]

    Oops, wrong valley. His district is in the San Gabriel Valley (East Pasadena extending east to San Dimas and maybe beyond– Dreier lives in San Dimas). I should know. I live in the San Gabriel Valley and I’m in his district.

    Editor’s Note: Actually, the San Jose Mercury News used the Silicon Valley – I think they were referring to his position on information technologies, not the actual district he represents

    Comment by Susan Kitchens — 9/16/2004 @ 1:17 am

  53. If David is gay and feels such a strong need to hide it, I feel compassion for the shame and hurt he must carry, but also feel outrage for the societal forces which make him work against who he is, if he is gay. It truly is a waste of valuable energy. We need to move human rights forward on every level. Generosity, and intlelligent compassion are the way. Deceit only brings darkness. Truth brings light. We definitely need more light and the warmth it brings to bear on the cold hatred which dominates to much of the political scene.

    Comment by Michael Nelson — 9/16/2004 @ 9:52 pm

  54. I wonder what Governor Rick Perry of Texas feels about this David Dreier story? I’m just saying…

    Comment by Mad Professor — 9/17/2004 @ 2:36 am

  55. […] staff during her 2000 campaign. Newspapers in Dreier’s district are alleged to have deliberately kept silent Dreier’s private life, threatening to fire reporters if they asked embara […]

    Pingback by The Blue Lemur - Progressive Politics and Media News » Source: Dreier denies charges, is extremely rattled — 9/17/2004 @ 4:24 pm

  56. It’s the hypocrisy, stupid!

    Comment by Connie — 9/17/2004 @ 5:22 pm

  57. When you accept a “public” position, you really can’t expect to have the same “private” life that you had before. Everything you do in your “private” life once you are a “public” figure is much more subject to scrutiny……..and so it should be. “Public” figures are expected to set an example for those they represent. Being a hypocrite is certainly not setting a good example to constituents.

    With a conflicting issue as large and as encompassing as one’s sexuality at odds with the majority of those he represents, any self-respecting person should find it impossible to accept such a “public” position.

    If Republicans truly don’t think that such individuals should be outed, and that their sexuality is their own business, let’s see how long these hypocrites stay in office once they are outed. The Republicans will dump them so fast!

    Comment by Alan — 9/18/2004 @ 10:46 am

  58. What’s the score with Bush being gay?

    Comment by Katedoc — 9/18/2004 @ 4:09 pm

  59. David Dreieris a liar and for 8 years made me belive he had

    Comment by Barbara Sjelin — 9/18/2004 @ 5:17 pm

  60. OH Please someone dig into Rick Santorum….he is the biggest jerk in the Senate and has got to go!! He is second only to Bush is his lack of compassion, integridty, and belief in a true democracy.

    Comment by Bill Jackson — 9/18/2004 @ 6:18 pm

  61. Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
    It’s a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for David
    Lo-lo-lo-lo lola (the kinks)

    I can’t believe everyone is so suprised.

    Well I’m not the world’s most masculine man
    But I know what I am and I’m glad I’m a man
    And so is David
    Lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
    Lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola

    Comment by Genetic Error — 9/18/2004 @ 11:01 pm

  62. A person’s sex life should be his/her private business. However, when a person decides to start legislating sexual behavior and/or works to deny the equal protection under the law guaranteed in the Bill of Rights and in the 14th Amendment, then their “orientation” becomes relevant. One’s sexuality is NOT a moral issue, hypocrisy and discrimination are both moral and character issues. Voters do have the right to examine a politicians character.
    In my state of Alabama a very heterosexual legislator is leading the campaign to amend the Constitution in order to ban gay marriage and civil unions. He cites concern for the moral fabric of America. He cites the message gay marriage would send to our children. He expresses concern for the damage that gay marriage would do to the covenant of marriage. This man,recently divorced, maintained a second family while married to his first wife. He was supporting a child he had with this second woman while still married. Ordinarily, these facts would be of concern only to his wife and children but because of his public stance on gay marriage, he has opened doors into his personal conduct. He should be “outed” along with homophobic gay members of Congress who seek to control the private lives of gays.

    Most of this gay bashing is a result of extraordinary ignorance on the part of voters and extraordinary cynicism on the part of politicians who need the votes of pre-modern, fundamentalist Christian nuts. It is about votes, not morals.

    Comment by Mason Myatt — 9/20/2004 @ 1:37 am

  63. More power to you! Go after all the hypocritical SOBs who are gay and work against gay causes. Keep after Dreier, and how about exploring those Bush-Ashe rumors? Bush and his cartel of Re-THUGS are the enemy! And goody-goody that Hustler has gotten involved! (I agree too with those who would give several whoops of joy if Santorum could be outed!!)

    Comment by Larry Horn — 9/20/2004 @ 10:21 am

  64. […] such a thing. ). Dreier’s opponent in the last two races, Janice Nelson, M.D., posted a response on Sept 15 to the RawStory, with a couple of bombshells about the way ou […]

    Pingback by 2020 Hindsight » Dreier “Is he or isn’t he?” not as important as News, Suppressed — 9/23/2004 @ 12:44 am

  65. What a bunch of hypocrites. You hide behind “anonymous sources” and proclaim how you’re outing “every last person"…..but then your leader Mike Rogers admits on his website that outing DEMOCRATS is off-limits!

    “I have yet to meet a Democrat staff member who opposes what their boss has done. The only case where one Democrat voted for the anti-gay law who has a gay staffer was clear to us that the member was forced to vote that way to attempt to hold the conservative leaning seat.”

    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/blogactive/109145579315931174/#13528

    Why is that? Because these are who Mike’s sources are:

    “Perhaps “committee” was not the best choice of word… Every case that goes up on my site clears a set of advisers who I hold a great deal of respect for and whom I trust. Some are members of LCR and Stonewall, Others are staffers and former staffers of House and Senate members, still others are employed by organizations in the gay community.”

    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/blogactive/109121524470436585/#14109

    He later confirms this in another comment:

    “3. I know personally of a half dozen staffers or so who read the “call to conscience” ads run by dearmary.com who then decided the FMA and this campaign was reason enough to become both operatives from the inside AND to look for new work as soon as they can. What’s more striking is that a majority of these people contacted me me on their own.”

    http://www.haloscan.com/comments/blogactive/109121524470436585/#14620

    What Janice Nelson and her fellow Democrats don’t want you to know is that PAID POLITICAL STAFFERS are being used to facilitate this outing campaign. Moreover, HRC and NGLTF EMPLOYEES are being allowed to work on this campaign FROM THEIR OFFICES, despite their bosses’ public condemnation of the outing campaign.

    Editor’s Note: Uh, okay. We work with Mike but operate independently. Were there an anti-gay democrat who was gay we’d out him too. And there is, actually, another Republican congressman who we’ve decided to not out because his positions on gay issues have improved. Whatever you’re saying about HRC and all of that, I know nothing about.

    Comment by Jeff — 9/23/2004 @ 1:12 pm

  66. http://www.johnandkenshow.com/index.php?p=426

    Comment by Fire Dreier the lier — 9/24/2004 @ 2:24 am

  67. There were two “outing” stories appearing in the media today. The first was Cynthia Nixon (If you’re gay I don’t need to tell you who this , if you’re not, she’s the tall attractive redhead that costarred on HBO’s “Sex in the City.") by the Daily News. The other is your story regarding David Drier’s homosexuality.

    First, The Daily News sunk to new depths “outing” Ms. Nixon. The only reason to disclose her 10 month lesbian relationship was to gossip (the story appeared on the Gossip Page). Coming to terms with your sexuality can be difficult-Something best left to Ms. Nixon, her son, former husband, and family.

    With respect to Drier, too bad. As an elected official, Congressman Drier represents the public, and it would appear as part of that representation, he choose to pay his “wife” with public funds $140,000 a year to work as the his Chief of Staff. The conflict of interest is substantial, and could cost taxpayers dearly should these lovers have a falling out, so to speak. I’m sure sexual harassment lawyers are lining up-WAIT, I forgot, Congressmen are exempted from most laws dealing with that sort of thing. Well, how do we know his Chief of Staff is “up” for the job?

    You did a fine job reporting this story by pointing out Drier’s malignant hypocrisy. In fact, the biggest service you performed in reporting this story was to Drier himself. Maybe you saved his soul.

    -Robert Tur
    Formerly of CBS News

    Comment by Robert Tur — 9/24/2004 @ 1:24 pm

  68. yes, it is the hypocrisy, stupid.

    drier, and all those others, who castigate homosexuals, discriminate against homosexuals, while being themselves homosexuals, are the rankest forms of perverts.

    the staunch and leal rethugh citizenry wants to believe that only democrats cross the line, indulge in nefarious sexual practices.

    but, any investigation demolishes that idea. republicans are as sexually wayward as any democrat.

    but because rethugs do the theater that they are straight and deserving of their publicly expressed homophobia, when they are slurping cock, it is the time to scorch the earth.

    burn them. reveal them to the world. make sure that such hypocrites never have any standing in amerikan politics again.

    Comment by albertchampion — 9/25/2004 @ 2:45 am

  69. It’s the hypocricy, stupid!

    As a gay Christian (and, no, that is not an oxymoron), I am familiar with Christ’s words about hypocricy. He found this a partciularly dangerous and disgusting form of deception.

    I do not recall, either in the Canonical New Testament Gospels or in the Nag Hamadi texts, one word about homosexuality. Not one! He had to have knoew about homosexualioty, because he came from a Jewish community, heavily, influenced by Greek culture.

    So, it either was not all that important to Him, one way or the other, or what he said was so out there, that it never made it into oral tradition, let alone the scrolls.

    It was then, as it is now, and forever will be; the hypocricy, stupid.

    Comment by Trammell Winterfire — 9/25/2004 @ 2:21 pm

  70. Mr. Dreier has just been re-elected. But by a smaller than usual margin. Local conservative radios went after supposedly on imagration issues… Dreier is too soft they said. But is that the real reason … and will he be challanged in two years?

    Comment by F. Clark — 11/6/2004 @ 3:06 pm

  71. The major point is that people are not representing the views of their constituents. Democracy is breaking down because of money. The politicians don’t listen to the people anymore they listen to their contributors. Free speech has been equated with money. It is the ultimate perversion of the American process. It is clear that over 70% of American oppose illegal immigration, and now after 9/11, illegal immigration poses a security risk. It is clear as the nose on your face and David Drier until recently was unwilling to protect us. That is the failure. Who cares if the man is gay or not? Is he willing to protect our interests?

    Comment by Dufus in Chief — 12/3/2004 @ 9:49 pm

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