Bigfoot News Transcript
BRETT HUDSON: Are we ready? You guys rolling?
QUESTION: Can we get everybody’s name?
BRETT HUDSON: You shall. I’m Brett Hudson. I’m a field producer for A Current Affair.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Dr. Franklin Dr. Franklin R. Ruehl, Ph.D., anomalist and host of the show Mysteries From Beyond The Other Dominion.
CHERIE CURRIE: And I’m Cherie Currie. I’m a chainsaw wood carver and a mom. Ha ha ha!
BRETT HUDSON: So here’s basically how it started. I got a call from A Current Affair to go up to a Bigfoot sighting up in Northern Manitoba. I screamed and kicked and saying are you out of your mind? But I went up anyway and in going up there and securing the tape for A Current Affair, an exclusive tape for A Current Affair, I started to do my own little research with some of the people in the community up there and I found it to be very interesting that I went up a nonbeliever and I am back believing that whatever this is-- you can call it Bigfoot, you can call it Sasquatch-- what we have found on our expedition is quite amazing. So we went back up with Dr.Ruehl and Cherie Currie, got two Cree Indian guides, Brian and Elvis, and we went back into the forest about three hours. Hiked back in where the Bigfoot tape that Bobby Clark shot… well, the area where the Bigfoot was, which was across the Nelson River. We went back up there, went back into the forest and found a number of interesting things that I’m going to pass over to the Doctor, and he will fill you in on.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Yeah, when I said, when I first got the call at 9:00 am in the morning I told the producer, “No way.” I said, “I’ll think about it over breakfast.” But he convinced me that this could lead to fame and fortune and a chance to actually find the creature, so I relented because I’m an inveterate wimp, unlike my two companions here. Now, on one broadcast I said it looked barren on the map, but I was really impressed as we took the shuttle craft from Winnipeg up to Norway House. To the left, to the right, to the north, to the east, to the south. To every… in every direction. Nothing but forest land. There was enough room there for a hundred Bigfoot creatures to be hidden. No doubt about it. That really impressed me. Then as we got into the brush, we realized how difficult it would be to track one of these creatures. Every step of the way. Bramble bushes with thorns. Mud holes. Branches of all sizes. You could have tripped ten different times going just a couple of feet. So it’s very dangerous, very difficult to pursue a creature if he indeed does exist there. Now I came up as a believer.
My belief has been strengthened by what we found in just such a short time. To begin with, here are the photos, stills taken from Bobby Clark’s video. It appears to be some sort of a creature; not a bear, not a man. And some skeptics say, well it’s too blurry to distinguish what that creature could possibly be. Well, I point out, when you have a video that’s too sharp, they, the skeptics say it’s fabricated. This seems to be a legitimate film footage of a creature that could be Bigfoot. The man who took it, Bobby Clark, hesitated to come forth with this for several days. He was so shocked by what he had seen. But I believe he’s sincere. I’ve met him. I don’t believe he’s fabricating anything. This is some sort of creature, most likely evidence of Bigfoot in existence up there. We were truly in Bigfoot country.
Now, we found one field that we think is a feasting field, where you could have even a family of Bigfoots. It had dozens of bones and literally thousands of feathers such as this, what appears to be an eagle’s wing with the bone attached. A femur of a deer. And the same up here. We also found the skull of a deer. So the idea is that this could be an area where Bigfoot or his family feast. And importantly, you see that the bone has the feathers on from the eagle. Normally bears and other predators don’t pluck birds before they eat them. This would indicate we’re dealing with some sort of primate. A more intelligent creature, i.e. a possible Bigfoot here.
BRETT HUDSON: Bone marrow.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Oh, that’s right. And here we have a bone that was apparently from a deer. The marrow’s sucked out. So possibly this creature enjoys feasting on bone marrow of other creatures. And the question of course arises, what does Bigfoot eat? Well, he was found here along the shore. At this time, the fish-- this is early spring-- all congregate near the shore. So he may be a fish eater. Also while we were in the field one night, we heard a thousand frogs croaking. In fact I did not believe they were frogs. They sounded, it sounded like an auto factory. It was so loud. Then suddenly, silence. An eerie silence, as though some predator, perhaps, had suddenly appeared in the area. Perhaps Bigfoot enjoys eating amphibians and the frogs realize that. They later resumed their noise. But it was an eerie moment for us.
Now, we also have a comparison shot. This was a still taken from the Bobby Clark video encircled the Bigfoot creature. Here, encircled are, are our hero here, Brett Hudson, and Cherie Curry. Brett stands about 5’10”. This entity is about three and a half to four feet taller. In other words, Bigfoot could be 9-1/2, 10 feet tall. We’re talking about a humungous creature. And I believe-– I can’t say this for certain-– this is the first time anyone has every showed a comparison shot like this of the creature and then human beings in the very same spot. So this isn’t absolute proof he exists, but further evidence that Bigfoot may indeed exist on this planet.
And we also had provided by us, to us, a hair samples… now into five segments, by one of the locals.
Now I must say, that up there the Cree people treated us magnificently. Beginning with Chief Ron Evans. Their kindness really helped our expedition succeed. In addition, I was impressed because I had several of the locals bring along, up evidence. And it was done in a very professional manner. Using digital cameras for footprints. This man carefully preserved a hair sample he had found. We had another team that videotaped their trip to the island that is just off of the shoreline where he was, uh, videotaped. They videotaped their excursion and showed themselves measuring the footprints. Then they brought us back the footprints. They actually cut them out and put them in boxes. Everyone dedicated to finding the truth about this creature up there. Everyone did it in a very professional manner for, for uh, an amateurs. I was going to say, professionals couldn’t have done any better. Now this hair sample is very fragile. It’s in about five segments. We’re going to have it analyzed. But may I point out that I did receive a call from a local who had a hair sample that he had analyzed at the RCMP forensic lab by one of the deputies who into, into this. Unfortunately, we had to leave before he could give me the report but the report said it was indeterminate. Doesn’t prove it’s a Bigfoot, but it’s of no known creature. So that again indicates we’re dealing with an unknown being, i.e. Bigfoot who may have existed there for centuries. Now any questions?
BRETT HUDSON: Good. Okay.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Make a statement about Bigfoot. He may be an example of divergent evolution. Perhaps this creature originated, say in the Himalayas where we have legends of the Yeti. Crossed the land barrier and in various sectors of the Northwest evolved in different ways. We could have some Bigfoot creatures who are vegetarians and others who are carnivores and others omnivores. Even in the same area their eating habits may differ. Also we have such creatures around the word. We have for example the Mokele Mbembe in Africa, and of course we have El Sisimeti down in Guatamala. The Yowie down in Australia. The Skunk Ape in Florida and a host of others. Each may have originated independently in their own particular ecological niche, and that would account for differences. They’re not all as tall as the Bigfoot here. In fact, the Yowie, for example, is shorter than a man. Stockier. Moves like an ape. On the other hand, some are taller. And I’d want to point out it could be an example of one creature that migrated around the world or several different creatures that each independently evolved in a particular ecological niche. And I would want to say this: is it my opinion that if we sent a crew up there with tranquilizer guns, especially in this area where Bigfoot has been sighted recently, I think we could catch him. But you’d need a team perhaps of ten men. I personally would like to see Bigfoot caught alive, studied for perhaps six months, and then returned to the wild. My two companions here are totally opposed to that. Brett Hudson, why are you opposed to that?
BRETT HUDSON: I’m opposed to it for a number of reasons, for the Cree Indians, the Cree Nation, it’s very spiritual to them, whatever this entity is. And they believe it’s good luck. They believe that this came to them and it’s going to bring good luck to their community. I don’t think it’s necessary to capture anything. I don’t mind shooting it from a distance or finding evidence that it does exist, but let it live where it lives. It means something to the Cree Nation and I think it’s important that we preserve that as well. That’s why I disagree with the doctor here, but that’s what makes the world go around, isn’t it? Disagreement?
CHERIE CURRIE: Actually, I mean, I do for a little bit, from you Brett, because I would really… I didn’t believe in this creature really. I didn’t think it existed. But I am truly a believer now. And I would love to be able to find this creature and study it, but then no, I definitely believe this creature needs to be in the wild. It’s a very intelligent creature obviously and I think that I kind of like the mystery of it all, too.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: What she just said is quite true. If we do indeed capture a Bigfoot… either find a carcass or bring them back alive, that will end the mystique of Bigfoot. The mystery’s over. It’s just like if we actually had definitive evidence of who Jack the Ripper was, then all the intriguing theories that have been advanced will no longer be of interest. So that’s, that’s one problem with bringing him back alive. May I say this: that one question, one problem is that no matter how many videotapes you have of him, the skeptics will always say they’re fabricated or some other creature. So I personally believe we have to bring him back, study him; find out, for example, if he has specially thick fur on his legs to accommodate him as he goes through that rough brush. What his eating habits are, etc. I also wanted to say this: a question that skeptics often point out; why haven’t we found a Bigfoot carcass? We know that these animals die if they exist. Well I point out that there’s what’s called a natural chain of predation. There’s a body lying in the brush. Larger predators will go after it. Then you have some of the predatory birds that will finish it up and then at the last level you’ll have predatory microorganisms so that virtually nothing is left. I point out if you walk down the street you don’t see the dead bodies of birds or squirrels although we know they’re out there and that they do die. And so I think this is one reason we haven’t found a carcass. And that’s something skeptics say, how come we haven’t found a carcass?
CHERIE CURRIE: Maybe they bury their own.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: And that’s another point. Excellent, Cherie Currie. If they’re intelligent creatures, perhaps they drag off any dead relatives, perhaps bury them or hide them in some way so, so outsiders will not find them.
QUESTION: Doctor, what were your plans if you came across any of the creatures either laying or on the loose?
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Well, I’ll tell you. We didn’t have a tranquilizer gun, but we had Cherie Currie, who had her chainsaw just in case we needed to be defended.
BRETT HUDSON: We had two guides. We had two guides with us, we brought two Cree Indian guides and they were both packing.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Well the first, no, first time the guide was not packing ay weapon, but this is interesting: he was so frightened that we really were about to encounter Bigfoot that the next day he and his guy, his friend Elvis, brought along shotguns. I did not like that. I don’t want this creature killed. I want him brought back alive. But for study. And I want to say something else; that uh, we joked about Cherie Currie and we kidded around a lot, but she is one gutsy gal. She’s willing to take any chance. Nothing phased her. I was very happy to have her on and she is a true woodswoman. She knows the woods. I’m a wimp. She’s actually more qualified than yours truly. And then we have Brett Hudson here, who the word fear is not in this man’s vocabulary. He was also willing to take any chance. So these comrades were just tremendous.
BRETT HUDSON: When we were back in the area, about three hours in, it’s called Ross Island, the island where it was filmed. When we found this first footprint, wherever it is, uh, that we measured… actually Cherie found it. This very first footprint. And I’m measuring it there. The guide was sitting over there and he… this is a guy who grew up in this area. He trapped with his father and his grandfather. And this, he knows this area like the back of his hand and he looked at us and said, “I, I’m uncomfortable. I’m scared.” This, and so, you know, if my guide’s scared, what does that leave me and Cherie? I mean, there was something about it that was kind of eerie, because that footprint, although it didn’t photograph that well was about two and a half inches down. If you know the terrain there… there, this marsh area, so there’s a lot of… there’s a lot of moss growing up over the marsh that you walk on. If you know that area, to make that deep of… I mean, I jumped up and down to try to make an impression and it would just float up because of the moss. So whoever made that footprint is a very, very heavy animal. Very heavy. That unnerved our own guides.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Yeah. We’re talking about perhaps 800 pounds. I mean we can’t be sure but something in the nature of 500, 800 pounds. A very heavy creature.
BRETT HUDSON: Look, I know people are going to watch this and think those three people up here are nuts. I’m not nuts. I went up there thinking, oh my god, I finally hit the ultimate story. I’m chasing Bigfoot? Please, give me a break. You can call it what you want, but there’s a very large animal out there that somebody put on tape, that we had the opportunity to track and found some I think credible evidence that there is a particular creature up there that is allowing himself or herself to be seen.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: And again, I was so impressed that right away, right off the bat, we’re finding footprints. Fresh footprints. So uh, it really looks like there’s something there. And I got a number of calls from the locals, including one call from a man who knows a woman down in an area that’s intermediate between Winnipeg and uh, Norway House, who had seen a Bigfoot in her yard. Actually she had awakened him, and he sort of scurried off. And she, unfortunately we just couldn’t go down there to interview her. We might get to interview later. But seems that possibly Bigfoot has recently come out of hibernation, and that’s why we’re getting these reports of sightings. And I certainly think that if you were to send a team, a well equipped team in the next few weeks, you could catch him.
CHERIE CURRIE: One other thing that we did find too is that there were numerous fresh trees about this big around that had been snapped as if right… the area which Bigfoot had on the video had gone into the forest. I mean they were literally just snapped like twigs, just in this one area near the feeding area. And since I work in wood, this was not done by the wind. This was done by force.
BRETT HUDSON: And also there, you know you can tell there are a lot of beaver up there and you can tell the ones that the beaver because they have teeth marks in it. There were three or four that were just snapped at the base and Cherie’s right, they were about that big. We have video of it. And it was all leaving from where the Bigfoot was seen up to where this area was where there are all these feathers and carcasses.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: And our guide Brian said that this was not any human who felled that tree. No grizzly bear. So that leaves possibly Bigfoot.
QUESTION: Cherie Currie, has this expedition inspired you to immortalize Bigfoot in wood?
CHERIE CURRIE: I’m definitely going to do that. That’s the first thing I’m going to carve when I open my store, which will be very soon. Yes.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: And she did… with her chainsaw, she left my calling card… “Doctor Ruehl was here,” and I’ll be eternally appreciative for that. Thank you very much.
CHERIE CURRIE: You’re welcome.
QUESTION: Dr. Ruehl, can I have your autograph?
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Of course, but that’ll be a dollar.
BRETT HUDSON: Uh oh, it’s starting. And before we leave, Dr. Ruehl, has to give his signature.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Are there no more questions regarding Bigfoot?
BRETT HUDSON: Sign this.
QUESTION: Are there plans to go back?
BRETT HUDSON: I would love to go back. I would love to go back again and go back into that area. Because there’s so much ground to cover. Dr. Ruehl’s right. When you fly up there, everywhere you look there’s forest. Until you hit Norway House, which is an incredible community built by these Cree Indians and the chief and it’s an amazing place to stay but as soon as you leave this little area, it’s nothing, nothing but forest. I would love to go back with more people. Not that we didn’t have good equipment, but even more sophisticated equipment.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Including tranquilizer guns.
CHERIE CURRIE: I would love to go and, and stay. I mean, stay at least a couple of three days in that area through the night, and uh…
BRETT HUDSON: Well you go ahead, I’ll call you from the hotel.
CHERIE CURRIE: That’s okay.
BRETT HUDSON: ‘Cause, you know, I would love to go back with more sophisticated equipment.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Including a tranquilizer gun.
BRETT HUDSON: I’m not going to let you capture it, Dr. Ruehl. I will free the Bigfoot. You’re not going to do it. And go back and do one more, one more really more extensive search. Because we just, I think we just were right on the surface where we were. I don’t know if there are any plans, uh, to send us back, but I would love to do it. I’d love to go back and give it one more shot.
QUESTION: How about further shows for some of the other creatures that are out there? Would you guys be interested in perhaps say to Australia…
BRETT HUDSON: Well you know, absolutely. As a matter of fact while we were up in Norway House there was a sighting in Northern California. Um, not that I want to spend my life chasing Bigfoot, but there is something about it that’s very intriguing now that I have become a believer and saw what I actually saw with my own two eyes. And talk to some of the elders of the Cree Nation who actually, you know there are stories that are passed on and they’re all very similar about this particular animal that when it comes around it’s either good luck or bad luck, and they, the spiritual aspect for them is pretty amazing. But I, I still think there’s a shot. Somebody’s going to get it… somebody’s going to get a credible video of it and, and Dr. Franklin R. Ruehl, Ph.D.’s right. If it’s too much in focus and too good people are going to discount the video and say it’s a hoax. Someone’s gonna capture it. There are too many people, we carry too many cameras with us. Someone’s going to get a shot of this, and it’ll change everybody’s outlook on probably even this press conference. Because they’re probably looking at the three of us and think we’re nuts. Well, we’re not.
QUESTION: Dr. Ruehl, what are your qualifications for this kind of stuff?
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Well I have, of course a Ph.D. in physics, but I’ve been studying various anomalies for many years. Writing about them in my column and covering them on my TV show. And uh, I don’t think anyone is an expert beyond that because no one’s caught one. And the first person to catch one will be number one on the expert’s list.
BRETT HUDSON: And that was also one of the things that came to me from uh, a gentlemen who runs one of the sites. His name is Matthew Moneymaker. He’s, you know, said you’re not an expert. And my question was, what’s an expert? We all we know is what data you can read on the internet. No one’s captured one. We’ve had no hair samples except for this that might be, might be and might not be. So I think as far as being an expert, is kind of-- well it’s kind of bogus. How are you an expert on an animal that no one has ever captured, no one’s ever studied, we’ve never done an autopsy. We really don’t know its eating habits. We are guessing. It’s a theory. We found these bones, we found them plucked. There were teeth marks in them. The bone marrow was sucked out, which I’ve never seen any animal suck bone marrow out. They’ll break the bone and try to get it if they can. This is a very intelligent creature. We don’t know anything about it. So I guess I’m now an expert. I saw it. I don’t know anything about it other than what I saw. So until we get more information and until we actually find one, and hopefully not capture it, we we’re all kind of guessing. But what we saw was pretty credible.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Can I just give you a few facts about Bigfoot? The first westerner or white man to see a Bigfoot was in 1811. A miner up in Jasper, Alberta. The first written account of a Bigfoot creature was by none other than Teddy Roosevelt in 1893 in his book The Wilderness Hunter. Now this is before he was president. He was a well known outdoorsman. And he interviewed a camper. His part had been killed by a Bigfoot while they were camping, and he described basically what we know today about Bigfoot. Humungous footprints, a, a fetid stench. An eerie howl. A furry creature that stood 7 to 10 feet tall, and one that would move briskly through the brush. Now he did not use the term Bigfoot even though he described the footprints as being humungous. That term did not come about until 1958 with a pseudocryptozoologist (Ray Wallace?) and uh, has been thus in our vocabulary since that time. We have a couple of accounts of Bigfoot creatures possibly being hostile. One from the uh Northwestern Territories. The (Nahani?) Valley Man has reputedly killed a number of miners over the years. And then of course we have this case from, from uh, Teddy Roosevelt. We also have some cases from the Yeti. The first white man to claim he saw a Yeti was in 1832. A British diplomat. He said it attacked one of his men. And the first book there was in 1889 describing the Yeti by another British diplomat. That’s basically the history and of course we have to, up to date, we have what we think is the definitive video.
QUESTION: Did you hear any of the howling?
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: No. Unfortunately not. And we didn’t smell any fetid odors. I should add, add this; I joked… I don’t know if this was shown on TV about securing a dropping. A dung sample. And this is serious, because it is one way anthropologists and paleontologists, anthropologists with recently dropping, recent dropping, and paleontologists with copulates, that is fossilized dropping, to learn about the creature. And we had two different people who were going to, the guys that went to the island then when they went back they couldn’t find the dropping. Then I have somebody else that contacted me and I’m waiting for, to hear from him. He did find a, a humungous dropping. He said it had no odor in contrast to the creatures normal fetidity, and he had wrapped it in plastic and hopefully we will get that and send it to a lab for analysis too. But that’s a serious way to try to pinpoint the characteristics of this creature.
QUESTION: Do you think this creature knew that you were looking for it?
CHERIE CURRIE: It’s kind of funny, when on the video, he almost seems like he senses, uh, that he’s being videotaped and he turns and, and runs. And I don’t know.
BRETT HUDSON: That’s a really good question because that’s one of the things, you know, they obviously have a great sense of smell. Because they’re very elusive. And, and, uh, I didn’t get the feeling that it was watching us. I never felt like we were being watched. But I did have the feeling that wherever was in that vicinity was no longer there when we were walking in. That’s where I-- this footprint, it’s hard to describe. You kind of… how you get there, i it’s an island that goes pretty, pretty far out. And to get there, you gotta cross the ferry and then walk down this walk, the line where they have the power lines and then cut into the forest. Once you hit the forest, it’s pretty dense. I mean, we had a hard time walking through.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: It’s terrible.
BRETT HUDSON: With the guides, because it’s not like a path. There’s no path back there. You just kind of walk as you go. This footprint looked rather fresh when we found it. The other ones we found had been there a while you could tell because they start to rise up. But this one looked pretty fresh and when the guide sent us, well which way is he going, he said that way, which was out. I’m trying to give you the idea that it wasn’t in the vicinity anymore because it was heading out towards the forest, deeper into the forest area. I hope it wasn’t watching, that’s all I have to say. Because, you know, there was something about it that was kind of scary. There was a definite adrenaline rush.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: Well again, our one guide, the first night he sensed it was there. He wanted to be armed with a shotgun the next day. And may I point out how treacherous this area is. On one excursion I did not go on, everyone fell except Cherie. Including the guides. So that indicates how treacherous this region is. I’m gonna say, skeptics say for instance they might say this looks too much like a man. Or not enough like a man. We don’t know what a Bigfoot or an ape/human hybrid would look like. He might actually walk very much like a human being and just be covered with fur. Or he may be bent over and walk more ape like. We have, again, around the world many different descriptions. As I said the Yaweh down in Australia is actually smaller than a typical man, bent over very husky. So nothing can be ruled out. No possibility can be ruled out. He may actually walk, upright like I do. Or he may be hunched over like an ape. Or he may have different creatures and, walking in different ways.
BRETT HUDSON: There’s also something that’s interesting on the video, although it’s very difficult to see. I’ve gone through it for hours, frame by frame. Dr. Ruehl and I were sitting in the edit bay and there’s a particular frame where this animal has its arm swung back. If you draw a line from where it’s arm is, it’s hand goes well below it’s knee. Those are very long arms. And when it’s, and the video, it’s out of focus so it’s really hard to see, and standing sideways, and when it turns towards Bobby Clark… because it looked… even Bobby Clark, who is a sweet guy, if he told a lie his tongue would snap off. When he told me what happened, that when it turned and looked at him and then turned and walked away, the girth of this animal is, is incredible. You can kind of see it in that one shot. Its upper body is, is massive. And then when it turned and walked away. I grew up in Oregon. I’ve seen bears on their hind legs. Bears don’t walk like us. Bears kind of waddle when they walk. And they don’t stay up on their hind legs as long as this animal did. So I ruled out a bear as soon as I saw it walk away. And if you know the area, and know the people that live in this area, there’s no way they could have set this up. There is no costume shops. There’s nothing you can go-- there’s no Western Costume. You can’t go get any-- and if you know Bobby Clark, he’s an honorable, honest man. And I believe this to be real, which is… I can’t believe I’m saying it but I do.
DR. FRANKLIN R. RUEHL, PH.D.: And as far as sincerity, all of the people I interviewed definitely seemed to be absolutely sincere. By the way just a bit of trivia… Rob Roy, the famous Scotsman actually had extremely long arms. So long that he didn’t have to bend over to tuck in his boots. Had arms something like Bigfoot described here.
QUESTION: What was Bobby Clark… was he shooting something else that day or was he up there looking for Bigfoot?
BRETT HUDSON: No. I’ll tell you exactly what happened. He, this ferry, it’s a car ferry that takes you across the Nelson River. Uh, and what happened was he was on the night, the night shift a couple of nights earlier and he kept hearing this sound on the other side of, of the Nelson River. He kept hearing this strange sound. So he brought his camera so he could record the audio that he was hearing these very strange sounds back in this place called Ross Island when he would take the ferry across. But when he got, he actually brought his friend along with him when he got there, and they waited, and they were there all night until six in the morning. There were no sounds. So he went home, went to bed, left the camera in his car. Did a day turnaround then he was on he morning shift. So his camera was in the car trying to capture an audio of whatever this sound was. There’s an outhouse. He took one car over and back. He went to the outhouse and when he was walking out of the outhouse he said he felt like something was watching, or somebody was watching him. And he looked back towards the road and all the way down where you park your cars, which is just a dirt gravel road that leads to this ferry. He said, and he kept having, he said I had this very strange feeling, he said and for some reason, he said I don’t know why I turned around and looked across the river. He said and I saw this extremely large animal standing in, in, about… it’s about three feet of water. Even in the picture where they compared me to the, to the animal. I’m in about three feet of water. The water’s about up to just below my knee. He ran to his car and got his camera and shot. The reason it’s so out of focus, it was on autofocus and the little branches in front are in perfect focus, and he couldn’t get through to focus on whatever this creature was. It was a fluke that he left his camera in his car. That’s how he got it.