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December 05, 2004

Introduction to the Becker-Posner Blog

Blogging is a major new social, political, and economic phenomenon. It is a fresh and striking exemplification of Friedrich Hayek’s thesis that knowledge is widely distributed among people and that the challenge to society is to create mechanisms for pooling that knowledge. The powerful mechanism that was the focus of Hayek’s work, as as of economists generally, is the price system (the market). The newest mechanism is the “blogosphere.” There are 4 million blogs. The internet enables the instantaneous pooling (and hence correction, refinement, and amplification) of the ideas and opinions, facts and images, reportage and scholarship, generated by bloggers.

We have decided to start a blog that will explore current issues of economics, law, and policy in a dialogic format. Initially we will be posting just once a week, on Mondays. In time we may post more frequently. The first postings will be tomorrow, December 6.

Becker is a Nobel-prize-winning economist who in addition to scholarly publications on a wide range of economic issues including education, discrimination, labor, the family, crime, addiction, and immigration, for many years wrote a monthly column for Business Week. Posner is a federal circuit judge and also a writer of books and articles in a variety of fields, including antitrust, intellectual property, and other fields in which economics is applied to law, but also topical fields such as impeachment, contested elections, and national-security issues. (The rules of judicial ethics preclude Posner from commenting publicly on pending or impending litigation or participating in politics, as by endorsing candidates.)

We wish in closing this brief introduction to our blog to thank Lawrence Lessig, Jacob Wachman, and Matthew Haughey for their valuable assistance in setting up the blog.

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Comments

I am sure this is going to be a wonderful venture and there are many who will be very grateful for this blog.

With that said, I wish you two the best of luck with this blog, and I will be sure to check back every week!

Posted by Rob at December 5, 2004 01:04 PM | direct link

At least you both appear to sound smart, so far.

Q

Posted by Queenie at December 5, 2004 01:35 PM | direct link

Just when I'd gotten the Judge Posner-haunting out of my dreams from first year, he starts a blog that I will, of course, be compelled to check weekly!

I wish you the best of luck with in this new endeavor and look forward your weekly posts.

Posted by LawDawg at December 5, 2004 01:40 PM | direct link

Welcome to the world of blogging. I am a recent Wash U Law grad living in Chicago. I love blogs and was excited to read that Judge Posner, one of my favorite jurists, will be online. I will be reading regularly.

Scott Ginsburg

Posted by Scott Ginsburg at December 5, 2004 01:46 PM | direct link

I am but one of many law students across the country looking forward to adding Posner posts to my already heavy load of weekly reading! Becker posts too, of course...

Posted by Legally Brunette at December 5, 2004 02:05 PM | direct link

Welcome to the blogosphere gentlemen! I've made you my homepage, and look forward to the emergence of the new community of commenters that will soon form here.

Posted by scott cunningham at December 5, 2004 02:22 PM | direct link

This should be very interesting! Best of luck!!!
"Never fear (the public) or despise it. Coax it, charm it, interest it, stimulate it, shock it now and then if you must, make it laugh, make it cry, but above all... NEVER, NEVER, NEVER bore the hell out of it." Noel Coward

Posted by S.W. Donnelly at December 5, 2004 03:41 PM | direct link

Those Nobel things are rigged to make sure the smart people win them.

Welcome.

Posted by Matt Stoller at December 5, 2004 04:19 PM | direct link

The King of the Blogosphere welcomes you to his dominion. Because you are both honored visitors to my realm, the annual Blog tax will be waved. If royal E-knights give you any trouble, just tell them the King of the Blogosphere said you were not the Nobel Laurettes they were looking for.

Also, I hereby proclaim you both Earls of the Blogosphere. The kingdom does not yet have any Noble Nobel's, and the idea is too good to pass up.

Posted by A dude at December 5, 2004 08:36 PM | direct link

Welcome to my server. It's an honor to host your site.

Posted by Marc Perkel at December 5, 2004 09:05 PM | direct link

HI! COULD YOU ADDRESS OUTSOURCING, IMMIGRATION AND LABOUR STANDARDS PLS? KTHXBYE :D

Posted by ARCHER at December 5, 2004 09:16 PM | direct link

I think you should switch off commenting and restrict this system to just trackbacks!

Posted by VN at December 5, 2004 09:23 PM | direct link

Welcome.
No, I am not a law student, just a regular "human" interested in reading thoughtful comments on issues affecting us today and for years to come.

Posted by in NYC at December 5, 2004 10:09 PM | direct link

Speaking of correction, did you mean to say "as is" where you said "as as"?
-russ

Posted by Russell Nelson at December 5, 2004 10:52 PM | direct link

I am as excited as a schoolchild on Christmas morning about this weblog. (Almost too much so to point out pedantically that there's no "Nobel Prize" for economics!)

Posted by Colby Cosh at December 6, 2004 04:04 AM | direct link

This is the best Christmas Present ever. X'mas has come early for this Law and economics geek. (Though in general economics, it will have to work very hard to beat Brad Delong's SDJ, which has a brilliant group commentating.)

Would the economics focus on theoretical development or current issues?

Posted by Weco at December 6, 2004 04:40 AM | direct link

Could you please address Dollar Depreciation
and the twin deficits in your upcoming posts?

Posted by shrikanthk at December 6, 2004 06:23 AM | direct link

Wow, this will be like watching a couple of concert pianists blunder into a mosh pit. I wonder how long they will be able to stand it.

Posted by quasimod at December 6, 2004 06:25 AM | direct link

Judge Posner,

I think you're too famous to allow comments on your blog.

But while you're allowing them, here are my two comments:

(1) I very much enjoyed your book about sex.
(2) I disagree with your take on the book Bonfire of the Vanities by Tom Wolfe, which you wrote about in a law review article once. That's a really great book that certainly belongs in a Law and Literature class.

Posted by Michael at the Calico Cat at December 6, 2004 10:48 AM | direct link

It is quite remarkable that the deal between the Department of Defense and Halliburton unit Kellogg, Brown & Root leads our attention to the resurgence of White Supremacist ideologies. Clearly, a minority of warmongers and apologists can be seen in the light of the apparent fabrications which lead to the theocrat Ashcroft's suspension of our civil rights. It is not heartening that the American state, with its unelected president, venal Supreme Court, silent Congress, gutted Bill of Rights and compliant media represents the repudiation of international law in order to bring about the seizure of the Iraqi Oil Ministry. This suggests that the influence of Leo Strauss belies justifications given by the world's leading apologists for the essential Western imperial interests.

Posted by SocialJusticeNow at December 6, 2004 12:39 PM | direct link

It's fascinating that the Internet and, more specifically, blogs, allow people from all disciplines and backgrounds to comment on the ideas of heavyweights like Becker and Posner.

When was the last time a "regular guy" got to comment on, say, a law review article by a Nobel Laureate? Who says technology is divisive?

This is amazing!

Posted by Greg Newburn at December 6, 2004 01:20 PM | direct link

I look forward to each of your insights. I wanted to ask if you could share your opinions on the issue of relieving the foreign debt of developing countries. I've followed this topic for some time, especially since the Paul O'Neil-Bono tour of Africa a few years back. I was wondering what political economic justifications (from the American perspective) exist for either forgiving, reducing, or restructuring the debt. Thank you. Keep blogging.

Posted by Anonymous at December 6, 2004 01:46 PM | direct link

This blog will be on my daily must reading.
A question for Dr. Becker: Any opinion about the reaction to Dr. Kydland and Dr Prescott winning the Noble Prize for economics? I read about some old-line Keynesians, especially Dr. Gordon at Northwestern, making some critical comments. In my opinion, if it really matters, both men revolutionized macroeconomics. Even those opposed to the market clearing models have adopted their method of building models based on utility maximization behavior. Thanks.

Posted by Michael Kim at December 6, 2004 02:25 PM | direct link

One interesting aspect of this quote "A rational decision to go to war should be based on a comparison of the costs and benefits (in the largest sense of these terms) to the nation" is that it pretty much ignores moral/religious considerations in favor of economic/utilitarian costs & benefits.

If you believe that cultural and religious structures evolve competitively, and that the world has become progressively more good and less evil over time, you can conclude that what we Americans think of as "good" is simply the most competitive "meme" over time.

I don't think that's what Dr. Becker's post means, though, and I do think he made a mistake in ignoring the moral & religious elements of preemptive war.

I'd look at it more in these terms: For virtually all of human history, the destructive potential of a small number of anarchists was quite limited. In those circumstances, perhaps, preemptive war might be too great a risk to global instability to be useful. And for the most part, since 1648 the Treaty of Westphalia has been a good foundation for international law.

Today, however, a small number of anarchists armed with a CBN could conceivably destroy an entire country (ie, Israel) in short order. Westphalia doesn't work so well in the modern era.

Posted by Anarchus at December 6, 2004 04:46 PM | direct link

I was very pleased to learn that Judge Posner and Gary Becker have launched The Becker-Posner Blog. It is not often that people of their stature subject their ideas to scrutiny outside of academia. Since The Becker-Posner Blog is permitting comments, lesser academic lights can offer opinions on subjects Becker and Posner write about. The exchange of ideas should prove beneficial to everyone. It is a sign of the social utility of the blogosphere. Judge Posner and Mr. Becker's presence, I think, adds to the credibility of bloggers. Bloggers of their stature can not be summarily dismissed by mainstream media pundits.

Posted by Munir Umrani at December 6, 2004 08:44 PM | direct link

My grandfather was an economist who wrote several textbooks back in the day, and was directly involved in the startup of the social security system.

It breaks my heart that the years of difficult work that he and many of his peers did to increase the odds of economic survival of the average American in his/her later years for generations to come, is being systematically undone through the efforts of the Republican Party to fund their spending excesses.

Before anyone can make the claim that it's being replaced by a "better" system based on personal investments, I would point out that the majority of the investments that people have been building for eventual retirement have lost a very large portion of their value in recent years and there is little sign that this trend will reverse.

What are your thoughts on this?

Posted by Bennett at December 6, 2004 08:54 PM | direct link

Gary and Richard:

What a great idea for the two of you to comment on the world's events from the deeper perspective of economics and law that you have done so much to advance. I look forward to Mondays, though you will be competing with the Golf Channel Academy now that I have retired.

One thing that I urge you to incorporate in your perspective is the ``wild'' uncertainty that seems to be true of most natural and human activities; expected values may or may not exist and the variance of the expectation will usually be infinite. This is particularly true of terrorism-related matters.

A question: how do you feel about the legitimacy of states that are not endorsed or accountable to their populations? Are they to be considered on the same level as democratic states? On the one hand, they may not be rational, but in the narrowest sense of the rulers and their survival. On the other hand, they exist and call the shots and must be dealt with in some rational way.

I think it is unlikely that non-democratic states will honor commitments. Therefore, they should not be trusted and, therefore, there are no agreements that would be honored by such states. How then may they be dealt with?

Posted by Art De Vany at December 6, 2004 09:02 PM | direct link

Wow! I am so excited that you guys are doing this. Now I'll never get my work done!

Posted by Econ PhD Student at December 6, 2004 10:01 PM | direct link

While I will not pretend to discuss economics with the likes of Becker and Posner I am excited to have access to the minds of such intellectuals. I feel their brief synopsis of blogs is accurate but leaves out what I feel to be the most important. I, a humble evening law student at The John Marshall Law School have the opportunity to either be heard or ignored by an audience that includes the Honorable Richard Posner. To be heard is a great thing.

Posted by Apparent Authority at December 6, 2004 10:14 PM | direct link

Thank you so much for releasing this blog under a Creative Commons license! Great stuff.

Posted by Chris Baker at December 7, 2004 08:51 AM | direct link

The concept of blogging as a Hayekian affair was implicit in Julian Sanchez's May 2003 "Reason" article, where he calls blogging "distributed journalism." The article, which focuses on how bloggers uncovered the John Lott/Mary Rosh scandal after "professional" journalists had given up, can be found at: http://reason.com/0305/co.js.the.shtml

Posted by Greg Newburn at December 7, 2004 09:56 AM | direct link

Welcome!!! Welcome to the Blogsphere!

Posted by Mac Echols at December 7, 2004 10:34 AM | direct link

What about combining the comments to the bek-po blog into one thread since some people seemed to be in one thread thinking they are in another or don't realize that there are two comment threads? Those commenting usually indicate who's being addressed if not both. And it looks like there might be hundreds of comments weekly. Posted to both threads.

Posted by Guymos at December 7, 2004 11:17 AM | direct link

Thank you, gentlemen.

As a young believer in the revolutionary implications of blogging and wikis as tools for sharing and collaboration, I am delighted and excited by your initiative.

As respected intellectuals you bring credibility to the blogosphere in the eyes of the still sceptical mainstream.

It is a wonderful thing that those people not fortunate enough to have contact with great minds in person, can now learn from, and interact with, learned people like yourselves, via the internet.

I can't wait to have my mind stretched by your blog.

Posted by Amy at December 7, 2004 12:31 PM | direct link

At least you both seem to appear rational and intelligent.
-JK
Nice theory; I'd like to see your Data. Are there examples that challenge your assumptions? how do they hold up? How do you objectify "Should"?

Posted by Justkidding at December 7, 2004 01:06 PM | direct link

As economists, can you explain the midwest states voting against their own best interests in the last election? How about the dollar down , and ultimately making things more expensive here.
Veritas Max Nigh

Posted by Max Nigh at December 7, 2004 01:35 PM | direct link

While they are at it, they might want to comment on why arrogant, third-party, paternalistic, do-gooders constantly presume to know what is and what isn't in some other adult's "own best interest" and then act surprised when they get turned out of office after blaming the voters ex ante facto. (Thomas Frank's book was also a best seller before the election.)

Posted by Tex at December 7, 2004 07:39 PM | direct link

Excellent to see this site. I hope other judges and nobel laureates join you two in the blogosphere.

I want to take a stab at answering 'Veritas Max nigh''s question. It appears that there are variety of explanations, not least of which is an ideological one (midwest voters mistakenly believe bush's domestic policies will benefit them). The ideological explanation depends on Bush's policies not being in the midwest's best interests, if they are, then it is not ideological for the midwest in general to vote for the GOP.

A second tier of explanations is the ususal psychological motivations of voters, and the general prioritizing of fear (national security, terrorism) above rational analysis that characterized this and many US elections. This is the case despite many indications that Bush's policies have increased, not decreased the likelyhood of future terror attacks against the US (iraq has in many ways become a training ground for mostly sunni Al Qaeda recruits)

Alternately, it has been observed that voters have voted in parallel with their class interests, so middle and upper class voters have an incentive to vote for candidates who will reduce their financial contributions to society.

Posted by Peter Konefal at December 7, 2004 10:16 PM | direct link

How very exciting...Welcome to the blogosphere...

Posted by Crystal at December 7, 2004 11:51 PM | direct link

As a practicing trustbuster and long standing appreciator of the dismal science and the related field of Law&Economics;, I have been a reader of your articles and books for years now, and you never disappointed my expectations. I wish great success for this new enterprise of yours.

Posted by smart shade of blue at December 8, 2004 07:39 AM | direct link

I'll add my welcome and good wishes for success in the blogosphere!

It's been twenty-five to thirty years since I encounted first Gary Becker's seminal Human Capital and then his Economic Theory. Becker's work was transformative, in the sense that while you didn't think that way before you read it, afterwards, you said "duh! that's obvious, how could anyone not see Becker's right? Only truly original thought has that "aha" quality. I could never think of traditional macroeconomics seriously after reading Becker.

My reaction to Richard Posner's Law and Economics was mixed when I read it in law school. As an economist I was impressed by the thought experiment (if I'd quibble with the details), but I questioned the universal applicability of the economic paradigm. The work has grown on me over the years.

Posted by Cato Renasci at December 8, 2004 11:13 AM | direct link

I'll add my welcome and good wishes for success in the blogosphere!

It's been twenty-five to thirty years since I encounted first Gary Becker's seminal Human Capital and then his Economic Theory. Becker's work was transformative, in the sense that while you didn't think that way before you read it, afterwards, you said "duh! that's obvious, how could anyone not see Becker's right? Only truly original thought has that "aha" quality. I could never think of traditional macroeconomics seriously after reading Becker.

My reaction to Richard Posner's Law and Economics was mixed when I read it in law school. As an economist I was impressed by the thought experiment (if I'd quibble with the details), but I questioned the universal applicability of the economic paradigm. The work has grown on me over the years.

Posted by Cato Renasci at December 8, 2004 11:19 AM | direct link

Since he would have known that to do so would mean the certain end of regime and probably himself as well, why would Saddam ever have attacked the U.S.?

Posted by Steve Porter at December 8, 2004 05:18 PM | direct link

good and interesting.

Posted by GEORGE SMITH at December 8, 2004 11:39 PM | direct link

Congratulations, honorable gentlemen!
Please keep up the keen, insightful dialog - the world needs it.

Posted by Orson Olson at December 17, 2004 03:48 AM | direct link

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