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Reader Responses
A 'Tortured' Debate


Nihilists Are Counting on This
Peter B. Prange - Maryborough, Australia

I appreciate the well thought out editorial. In Australia there is opposition to tougher antiterror legislation, primarily because people believe innocents will be caught in the net suffer injustice. Forty years ago and more, nihilists were counting on such thinking. Through terror, they proposed to cause government reaction the people would first oppose and then rebel against. That would then help create the anarchy that would enable them to remake the world in their own image. The editor is correct, the Bush administration better start explaining reality to the American people, or it will give those behind terrorism exactly what they are seeking to achieve, people who do not understand leading to people who oppose leading to people who rebel.

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Working for the Other Side
Alice Felt - Walla Walla, Wash.

Isn't it interesting that it is usually one side of the political aisle that seems so intent on hampering our ability to defend ourselves? From suggesting in the past that we unilaterally disarm, to efforts to reduce the size and capability of our military, to creating energy dependence that creates a national security risk, to defanging the CIA and now supposed timidity in questioning terrorists. Gee. You'd almost think they were working for the other side.

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World's Most Useless Debating Society
R.L. Hails Sr. - Olney, Md.

This nation has contended with prisoners for centuries. Why the sudden need to lard on more legislation on this subject? Do we need another law that requires the military and the CIA to treat prisoners in the exact same manner as they were treated under President Kennedy? Voters would have more respect for our senators if they would quit insulting our intelligence and work on real problems. The Corps of Engineers may have killed and tortured more people with crummy levees than all the harm done by our prisoner guards. Does anyone remember an environmental debate 20 years ago on the danger of drowning a city in raw sewerage?

Leaders must not blather about last night's headlines. The senate has become a useless debating society.

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Ignoring the Conventions
John Weigel - New Orleans

The article hits the nail on the head. Messrs. Kennedy, Durbin and even McCain fail to address the Geneva Conventions, nor do other blowhards in the Senate and House. It is sorrowful the TV networks do not refer to the conventions' terms.

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Sacrificing Our Soldiers in the War on Bush
Stephen Leonard - Atlanta

The enormous moral and legal difference between Islamic terrorists and uniformed enemy soldiers; the critical need to obtain information to forestall their abhorrent attacks on noncombatant civilians; and the great gulf between what has historically been seen as "torture"; and the stress techniques utilized by our military and intelligence services are all so crystal clear, so patently obvious, that it defies belief that presumably intelligent people can fail instantly to recognize them. So one can only conclude that Sens. Durbin, Dodd, Kennedy, et al., are so consumed with loathing and resentment of President Bush that they are willing to sacrifice anything and everything, including the welfare of our soldiers and the survival of our nation, to defeat him. They have sunk lower than any politician in my lifetime; they are truly a national disgrace.

Of course, James Taranto would no doubt point out that Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment on Senator Kennedy's views on waterboarding.

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Where's the Asterisk?
Mark Weber - Los Angeles

On the occasion of the United Nations International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, George W. Bush said that "the United States reaffirms its commitment to the worldwide elimination of torture."

Said the president: "Freedom from torture is an inalienable human right, and we are committed to building a world where human rights are respected and protected by the rule of law."

Perhaps he forgot to distribute the footnotes?

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Is This Clear?
David E. Herron - Ronne, Denmark

With the exception of Abraham Lincoln's bottom third, the people you can fool all the time, the American people are wise enough to understand that we cannot win the war on terror if we do not lead with our strongest weapons, our discipline and our integrity. Americans who "cut wood and carry water" for a living, like the majority of the world's population, also well understand that you cannot produce good intelligence without both common sense and a whole lot of help from ordinary people. As a concerned veteran, I write to you in the hope that The Wall Street Journal will find the courage and wisdom to abandon the McCarthy-like scare tactics this editorial represents and to exercise the conservative common sense needed to deal with reality. After four years, thousands of irreplaceable human casualties and uncounted billions in costs, Osama bin Laden and his kind are still out there.

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Doggone Pygmies!
Fredereic Lindsay - Edinburgh, Scotland

It is sad to read yet another specious defense of torture by an American journalist. The argument for all out torture has in fact been given to President Bush by lawyer John Yoo. That advice was influential, despite Mr. Yoo's low rank in the administration, exactly because it was what Mr. Bush wanted to hear. It is America's misfortune that at a time when the highest principles should govern the response to the terrorist threat that it has been governed by moral pygmies. All the evidence suggests that torture makes a democracy less secure. Lose the moral high ground and it is hard to see what a democracy is fighting to protect.

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Don't Argue About It, Just Do It
John Gauthier - Las Vegas

This whole tortured debate on torture demonstrates more than anything why our image in the world is at an all-time low. There probably isn't a country in the world that has not used coercive techniques to extract information it deemed critical. None to my knowledge advertise that fact as a matter of public policy, even the most cretinous of dictatorships.

If the Bush administration had a grain of common sense, it would have enthusiastically joined Sen. McCain in rejecting any official abuse of prisoners whatsoever--period. In those rare instances where the violating that policy becomes necessary (the "ticking bomb" scenario) then the professionals involved should ask for forgiveness later, but not for permission in advance. That is not to advocate hypocrisy, but by putting a severe legal burden on those using coercion to extract information we prevent it from becoming a routine practice, as it would if officially sanctioned.

We don't condone homicide or violent assault in police policy either, but it happens regularly--sometimes with justification, sometimes not. We don't give our cops license to shoot or beat people up at their discretion, but we understand that they sometimes have no choice in getting their job done. And we seem to have no trouble distinguishing the Rodney King incidents from the "Dirty Harry" scenarios, at least when we have it on tape. Why can't we simply apply the same common sense to war prisoners, and quit splitting hairs about whether they are covered by the Geneva Convention? Quibbling just makes us look legalistically puritanical--and stupid.

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Where Will It All End?
T.J. Parker - New York

What does this mean?

"It is hardly far-fetched to imagine a scenario in which our ability to extract information from a terrorist is the only thing that might prevent a bioterror attack or even the nuclear annihilation of an American city."

IF we have proof of an imminent attack and proof of culpability, then we can torture? If we suspect culpability, we can torture? If we suspect an attack and suspect culpability, we can torture? Since we are now in a state where we are always on the alert for an impending attack, are you giving us a free hand to torture any suspected terrorist?

I can't believe that we're having this discussion in the United States. I can't believe that its being led by self-professed, public and vocal followers of he who said "blessed are the meek" and "turn the other cheek". And if Osama bin Laden finds our collective choice not to establish gulags and adopt the interrogation methods of Third World dictators as a sign of flagging will in the war on terror--oh well. Since when are we out to impress Osama bin Laden? How has he become the arbiter of proper conduct in the modern world?

So what is the criterion for torture? Actions that hurt many people? Can we take the CEOs of tobacco and pharmaceutical companies and torture them for if we suspect that they're hiding information of products that put millions of individuals at risk? Polluters who put thousands at risk? I can imagine such scenarios also. I can imagine how torture can more quickly resolve such issues. Like yours, my imagination is quite fertile.

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A Defensive Strategy
Bill Breuer - Malverne, N.Y.

The McCain restrictions on aggressive interrogations are designed to provide cover for John McCain's presidential run in 2008. Mr. McCain's POW experiences will be subjected to jaundiced review by the left. The amendments make the case that no prisoner can be faulted for his actions at the hands of brutal captors.

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Americans Respect the Rule of Law
K. Vijayakumar - Bangalore, India

When a foreigner visits the U.S., he learns, even at the airport where he lands, how much ordinary Americans respect the law and civilized behavior. It is therefore difficult to believe that Americans will be different when a threat of terrorism hangs on their heads. However "A tortured Debate" wrongly presumes that they will approve of torturing suspected terrorists on the uncertain assumption that it will give useful information to CIA which can protect them from future terrorist attacks.

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(R., Media)
Brian Grayson - Albuquerque, N.M.

Sen. McCain should be ashamed of himself for proposing this. Does he actually think that our country is torturing people like he was tortured? of course not. This is all about him, and him alone. He loves the good press he gets from the liberal media, and knows that they will slobber all over him for proposing them. However, when he runs for president in 2008, he will be shocked to learn that the same media that love him today will rediscover that he is running for president at 72 and has survived cancer.

Allow me to play on a quote by Winston Churchill: McCain has chosen the presidency over doing what is best for his country. And he will accomplish neither.

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We Need Accountability
Eugene McGovern - Cairo, Egypt

Amateurs like me should have nothing to say about the interrogation techniques to be used in the most difficult cases. But we citizens should insist on accountability: Who authorized it? What happened to this detainee? Where is he now?

All of us need to ponder the familiar eventA a federal official delivers a detainee and says, "We have good reason to think this guy has important information about a very serious attack on the U.S. If you can get that information from him, you will save many thousands of American lives. And you will be a hero. No one knows he is here. There will be no questions."

If that is done, disappearances will be as inevitable as sunrise. We citizens need to insist there be a paper trail. If a decision is made, the identity of the decision-maker must be preserved and discoverable. It will be disastrous to allow such decisions to be made from behind a veil of secrecy.

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