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Red America Ends

Update [2006-3-25 11:13:59 by krempasky]: Related.

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Mar 24th, 2006: 15:12:55
Red America, my new blog at washingtonpost.com, has been under attack since its launch. It is a conservative blog on a mainstream media site, so many of the attacks were expected. If one bothers to read it, I believe it stands as a welcome addition to the opinion debate.

The hate mail that I have received since the launch of this blog has been overwhelmingly profane and violent. My family has been threatened; my friends have been deluged; my phone has been prank called. The most recent email that showed up while writing this post talked about how the author would like to hack off my head, and wishes my mother had aborted me.

But in the course of accusing me of racism, homophobia, bigotry, and even (on one extensive Atrios thread) of having a sexual relationship with my mother, the leftists shifted their accusations to ones of plagiarism. You can find the major examples here: I link to this source only because I believe it's the only place that hasn't yet written about how they'd like to rape my sister.

I know that charges of plagiarism are serious. While I am not a journalist, I have, myself, written more than one thing that has been plagiarized in the past. But these charges have also served to create an atmosphere where no matter what is said on my Red America blog, leftists will focus on things with my byline from when I was a teenager.

I can rebut several of the alleged incidents here. The most recent accusation, is that I stole a music review from Crosswalk and passed it off at National Review Online. In fact, I wrote both lists myself; I was one of Crosswalk's music review contributors at the time.

The Left has also accused me of foisting Sen. Frist quotes and some descriptive material from the Washington Post for a New York Press article on the Capitol Shooter. But the quotes I used were either properly credited or came from Sen. Frist’s press conference, which I attended along with many other reporters. So it is no surprise that we had similar quotes or similar descriptions of the same event. I have reams of notes and interviews about the events of that day. I also went over the entire piece step by step with NYPress editors to ensure that it was unquestionably solid before it ran.

Virtually every other alleged instance of plagiarism that I’ve seen comes from a single semester’s worth of pieces that were printed under my name at my college paper, The Flat Hat, when I was 17.

In one instance, I have been accused me of passing off P.J. O'Rourke's writing as my own in a column for the paper. But the truth is that I had met P.J. at a Republican event and asked his permission to do a college-specific version of his classic piece on partying. He granted permission, the piece was cleared with my editors at the paper, and it ran as inspired by O’Rourke’s original.

My critics have also accused me of plagiarism in multiple movie reviews for the college paper. I once caught an editor at the paper inserting a line from The New Yorker (which I read) into my copy and protested. When that editor was promoted, I resigned. Before that, insertions had been routinely made in my copy, which I did not question. I did not even at that time read the publications from which I am now alleged to have lifted material. When these insertions were made, I assumed, like most disgruntled writers would, that they were unnecessary but legitimate editorial additions.

But all these specifics are beside the point. Considering that all of this happened almost eight years ago, and that there are no files or notes that I've kept from that brief stint, it is simply my word against the liberal blogosphere on these examples. It becomes a matter of who you believe.

The truth is, a more responsible teenager would've nipped this sort of thing in the bud. A less sloppy writer would have made sure that material copied from other places never made it into a published piece, and never necessitated apologies or explanations that will do nothing to stop the critics. I was wrong not to do so.

But I do have one other collegiate example that might be to the point. When I was a junior in college, I wrote an article about liberal protests against Henry Kissinger’s visit to our campus. The leftists featured in the piece tried to get me kicked out of school. They mounted a six-month campaign against me. They posted fliers about me on campus. They sent me reams of hate mail. Ultimately, they were unsuccessful – the Honor Council completely cleared my name and the article as the truth. The events of the past 72 hours seem like a rerun of that experience.

The truth is, no conservative could write for the Post without being subject to the gauntlet of the liberal attack machine. There is no question in my mind that any RedState contributor writing for this blog would have found leftists delving through his high school yearbooks and grade school book reports in an effort to discredit and defame him. And if you too were a sloppy teenage writer, your errors or the errors of others would’ve been exploded.

I have a great many friends who are willing to stand and defend me on this. I appreciate their support. I have enormous respect for Jim Brady and the vision he has at WPNI. But while the folks at washingtonpost.com understand my position and are convinced by my arguments on many of these issues, they also feel that the firestorm here will only serve to damage us all, and that there is no way this blog can continue without being permanently tagged to this firestorm. Therefore, I have resigned this position with washingtonpost.com.

This is a shame. As you all know, I am a conservative, but not a partisan – I believe had this blog been allowed to continue, it would have been a significant addition to the Post's site. The Post showed bravery by including a conservative voice, and I hope they continue to seek that balance.

While my blog was only alive for a week, it did have one result that was encouraging. If the change of heart described here continues, it will all have been worth it.

To my friends: thank you for your support. To my enemies: I take enormous solace in the fact that you spent this week bashing me, instead of America.

Regards,

Ben

< Sorry about the downtime (5 comments) | Redstate Reaction to Ben's Resignation (61 comments) >


God bless, Ben By: krempasky


"My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives."


I'm so sorry By: Rachel
that this is happening.  Your writing has meant so much to countless people, myself included.  You are a tireless, powerful advocate for prolife causes and your voice will continue to make an impact, and make a real difference.

Thank you, Ben.



I figured as much... By: HaroldHutchison
It's a sad day when digital thuggery wins.



Great closing sentence, By: BooBooKitty
count my wife and me as supporters.  Take heart and take care.

The DeFreese's from Calera, AL

I never questioned the orders or the intelligence of any representative of the Federation. Until now.~James T. Kirk



Thanks for bringing clarity and sanity.... By: drewmc2001
to this discussion.  Our hearts go out to you during your time of trial (gosh, I bet I just plagerized someone else's thoughts or ideas... learned that from Dan Brown.)

I, for one, really appreciate your rebuttal to these asinine remarks.  The battle for the hearts and minds will continue, even if the viatrol that is spewed by the koskoolaid kids, and truth will win out over rhetoric.



Hang in there Ben/Augustine! By: c17wife
While this is undoubtly a rough time for you professionally and personally, I hope you will continue to hang with us and fight the good fight.  I'd hate to think the blood thirsty kossacks will succeed in silencing you from now on.
Take some time, add another layer of skin and come back ready to impart your wisdom on all of us again.

You are young and have a bright future ahead of you.  And, you are effective.  That is why you find yourself on the receiving end of such vitriol.  Don't give up, or they win.  And America can't afford to let that happen.

 

Somewhere in Massachusetts, a village is missing BOTH its idiots.


I'll ditto this one By: Just Me
IN the end I think it is the effectiveness of your voice that made them hate you.

The left hates the conservative voice, but even more so they hate the persuasive conservative voice.

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Everything happens for a reason By: Perspective
You have made a bigger impact than you probably realize.  What does not kill you will make you stronger (and in this case, others as well).  Your next step will be an even greater opportunity.

Search for it.



Let it turn to something else By: ConservativeD
I am sorry that you had to go through all that. I imagine that elections in coming years will have this kind of poo-flinging.

On a lighter note, glad to have you all to ourselves again!

That meteor is headed straight for us, with the fire, and the impact, and the hundred percent chance of pain... Pain in the glavin!!



For the record By: Thomas
I repeat: Should the entire American Left fall over dead tomorrow, I would rejoice, and order pizza to celebrate. They are not my countrymen; they are animals who happen to walk upright and make noises that approximate speech. They are below human. I look forward to seeing each and every one in Hell.

To those conservatives who couldn't wait to find wrongdoing where none existed: Gee, funny you didn't get all hyped up about this with Bob Bork. Or Sam Alito. I guess maybe your common sense detector -- or decency reserve -- only kicks in when it gets you something you want?

You're all dead to me, as well. Too bad: One lady in particular was a favorite writer of mine. Ah, well.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky


Gee Thomas By: c17wife
Glad to know we can still count on you to be our resident fire-breather.  Even in the face of such nastiness.  Keep it up.  We need you.  :>)

Somewhere in Massachusetts, a village is missing BOTH its idiots.
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Yikes By: doxasticpirate
I've already seen this comment pop up on CT as proof of conservative wackiness.  I know you're emotional right now, but this doesn't help at all.  There's still a serious problem here, and you're just making inflammatory comments that will be quoted three or four flamewars hence.

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Message: I don't care. By: Thomas
First, this is hardly the first time I've written something that "as proof of conservative wackiness." I'd prefer they took it "as proof of Thomas's near bloodthirsty rage," but whatever works, works.

Second, I have no idea what CT is.

There's still a serious problem here

Yes, that a friend of mine has been smeared out of a job by gibbering cretins with the mental wherewithal of retarded orangutans. Did you have a different problem in mind?

you're just making inflammatory comments that will be quoted three or four flamewars hence

I can but dream.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

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Remember this? By: Catsy
Catsy: Advocating or expressing approval of harassment, arrest, immprisonment, torture, or death of liberals and Democrats. Really, there's just no defense whatsoever for this, and yet it's not at all uncommon for me to see people joke about it. Guess what? My family's armed, and it's not funny. [emphasis added for clarity]

Thomas: That's a bannable offense, and I'm quite serious. If you know somewhere that's happened, I'm more than interested.

Just wanted to know which statement of yours you stand by: the desire to see me dead, or the affirmation that saying so is a bannable offense.

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Correction. By: Moe Lane
He looks forward to seeing you in Hell.  A place that Thomas fully expects to end up in, himself, along with quite a number of people.

At any rate: your faction won.  Congratulations.  Now please go back to your own site for a while, and leave us to ours.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

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Technically By: Joe B
Isn't his site your site too?

Have the best day ever!
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No comment (nt) By: Thomas


If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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IIRC By: Joe B
Catsy is from ObWings, which is Moe's site.  He may have retreated from the moonbat hordes, but some of us still dream of him reclaiming his rightful throne.

Have the best day ever!
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Like I said, no comment By: Thomas
Let me just say that watching what happened to Moe helped crystallize a lot of my current opinions, and leave it at that.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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Got ya By: Joe B
I thought for a moment you thought I was implying that this place was Catsy's.  Didn't want that happening.  

Going back to lurker status.

Have the best day ever!

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Some of us lefties want him back there too (nt) By: Catsy


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Yes, we do (NT) By: von


For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.

Although .... By: von
 ... for clarity, I'm the alleged "centrist," not one of the "leftists," at ObWi.  

For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.







Ceteris paribus is a dream, not a reality By: Thomas
A great deal changed when I saw folks savage a friend because they were too tired from pleasing themselves over a keyboard.

Properly, by the way, I was not "expressing approval of harassment, arrest, immprisonment, torture, or death of liberals and Democrats." I was stating preemptive joy at the sudden, accidental death of the American Left. I'm frequently told by liberals that liberal does not equal Left; I took that as a given.

However, insofar as you're inclined to take this as you'd have it; don't agree with that characterization; or identify yourself as a Leftist: Take your own guess.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

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Go start your own site By: bee
Then we'll all come on there and harass you for anything we see as inconsistent.


Internet member since 1987. Member of the Surreality-Based Community
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"dead to me" does not mean DEAD.... By: Trelaina
Do you not understand the use of expressions?

"Dead to me" means you don't recognize the person as existing, not that you wish death on them.

Geez.

When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. -- Abraham Maslow

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Last word from this end By: Catsy
Do you not understand the use of expressions?

I've been asked by at least two people to move on and leave this alone, which is why I haven't responded to Moe or Thomas.

In the interest of clarity, not argument, I need to point out that I wasn't referring to the "dead to me" line, I was referring to his desire to see "the entire American Left drop dead". I find his response wholly unconvincing, but pursuing it is fruitless--he's a moderator and is convinced he's right; what's the point?

I wash my hands of it. Respond if you feel the need; henceforth I will be respecting Moe's expressed wishes and taking a hiatus to let tempers abate.

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My support of the death penalty, By: Tbone
is based upon the concept that certain offenses against society are worthy of forfeiture of the offenders life. Unfortunately, that concept has become limited to the taking of anothers life. I, on the other hand, am quite comfortable of including acts that denigrate the society as a whole. Traitors easily are included in my parameters as are character assassins, abortion practioneers and their apologists, and those who would lie to gain power to corrupt. Consequently, be glad I'm not King or Thomas would have his wish substantially fulfilled.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
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Oh good Lord By: brendanm98
Whatsa matter, you outta your NCAA pool already? It's the weekend, let's all find that inner happy place...

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That is my happy place. nt By: Tbone


Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
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Point given.... By: Trelaina
...with appropriate apology.  I went back to the parent post and reviewed it, but "dead to me" stuck out far more than any other comment made.

That said, I think it's clear that those who care for Ben, and specifically those who have ownership of this site, need time.  They have made their positions clear and a fair number of regular RedStaters stand by them.

When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. -- Abraham Maslow







It's possible By: streiff
that you have entirely too refined mores and manners to fit in here.

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Afterall, anything that's actual must be possible By: doxasticpirate
Well, I suppose that's pretty likely.  I don't think I have delicate sensibilities -- heck, I'd swear a lot more if this site would allow me, for instance.  

Look, whether or not you're satisfied with Ben's defense (my guess: you guys will be, most others won't be), you have to admit that something entirely bizarre about one of this site's editors claiming that he would rejoice in the deaths of about half of America.  (To be fair, I'm not sure what he means by the American left -- I take it to be Kerry voters, but even on a more restricted reading, we're still talking about many millions of Americans).  Doesn't this set of loud, piercing alarm bells to you?  

I think I'm gonna stay away from this site for a week or so.  I really do like it here -- it's good to hear from people whose views are different from yours, but express them reasonably.  Obviously, this site won't be like that for a little while.

[ Parent ] (User Info) (#26)

run along <nt> By: Ender


"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR





Remember By: Sven
Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself.

[ Parent ] (User Info) (#83)


over the top.... By: csandlin
I find your comment offensive and and completely unproductive. You may think it doesn't matter, but I think it does. Why do you feel it necessary to lower yourself to your adversary's level? It certainly doesn't do anything to further RedState's cause and it only makes you sound like a wingnut.

This whole issue is small potatoes to my mind. Ben made some mistakes, but he will be fine. The dramatic rhetoric only inflates the issue beyond its' importance. This is an election year and to my mind this site should be working to support the candidates of our choosing.

Your statement will undoubtedly be used to charactize this entire site. It may not be fair or just, but we've all seen how little that matters in today's political world. First impressions do matter.

Forgive me if I sound preachy. I'm in no position to judge any man. None of us are, to my mind. However, I do think your statement crosses the line of decency that I've found to be the refreshing standard here at RS. I sincerely hope it's not a sign of things to come.
Respectfully,
CSandlin




You are a bigger man than I (nt) By: machiavel




I am proud of you son. By: DougD
Love, Dad.


We all are (nt) By: Thomas


If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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really from cww's mama By: cww823
since I can't post for 5 days!  :)

Ben, I'm proud of you too!  This household spent a good bit of the day reading blogs, following this story, and praying for you.  

Psalm 37:1-6

with love and respect,
k

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It seems, sir, that you have done a fine job By: Mike D in SC
raising your son. He is quite an asset at this site.

"Universal" coverage means compulsory coverage, just with prettier political spin. - Thomas Sowell
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Someone call the wah-mbulance By: rebrane
Awww, the poor widdle major media columnist got a prank call? How awful that must be for him!

Ben, maybe it's time for you to go softly into the dark night, instead of continuing to dig a hole deep enough to fit all your buddies in it with you. Blaming the liberals for your ethical lapses must be a lot of fun, but think about what it does to the credibility of anyone who believes you.

I know, it sucks to get fired, but you did kind of stick your head in the cannon.


It's already en route By: Thomas
Your online corpse is its next pickup.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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Citizen's Blam n/t By: ConservativeD


That meteor is headed straight for us, with the fire, and the impact, and the hundred percent chance of pain... Pain in the glavin!!
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You're a really class act, Rebrane By: Politix247
... if you knew Ben as I do... as a real flesh and blood human being... you'd feel pretty rediculous about speaking about him in this way.  It is really, really tacky.

The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments...G. Washington
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SHENANIGANS!!! By: lordmarcus


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Since you are emulating a 4 yr old By: MrsNachos
and acting about as mature, give me a freaking break!

Ben isn't blaming anyone for anything he actually did himself.  

However, I am almost 100% certain that I blame myself for not being harder on you in this comment. You certainly deserve it.  I'll be polite and say that you need to do some maturing and some research before making comments like this in the future.

In my semi-professional opinion, let me say this.  If you felt the need to call him a "major media columnist" and then mock it, it does point to the fact that you are are having some type of envy there.  I'll let you determine which kind it is.

Everybody likes nachos.


Oh, and if you're gonna say it By: MrsNachos
say it right.  It's not go softly, it's go gentle into that good night.  Go to school and learn about Dylan Thomas, fool.

Everybody likes nachos.




Hang in there Ben (nt) By: COD




Augustine, you're in good company By: JPH
The left threw everything rotten thing they have at you, in the hopes that something would stick. In other words, you've been "Bushed". Stand strong and don't let them get to you, in the end you'll triumph. Wishing you lots of luck.

JPH



Mr. Domenech By: Mark I
Your post is a testament to the class and decency you obviously possess.  Just as the vitriol unleashed against you from critics on the left is a testament to theirs.

I do not know you, like some of the diarists here might, but it is clear to me that you have arrived at this decision to resign with the best of intentions.  That said, I wish you would not have done so.  Maybe it is easy to say when you are not the subject of threatening e-mails and phone calls, but the only way to prevent mobs of enraged and deranged critics from bringing down the next person in your position is to fight against them and expose them for what they are.

Please understand that I am not criticizing you, but would it have been possible to produce the editor of The Flat Hat, or contact P.J. O'Rourke?  While I am glad that washingtonpost.com's editorial staff was convinced by your explanations, it is a shame that the readership of Red America was not able to evaluate the evidence themselves and in the process, make their own judgements on the nature of your critics.

I became a diarist here at RedState because of the intelligent, informative, and insightful posts by bloggers like yourself and Erick, whom I understand is the next target of those who took after you.  It is a shame that the readers of the Washington Post's online edition will not have the same experience.

I look forward reading future posts of yours here at RedState.

Sincerely,
Mark I.

-If you are in your twenties and not a liberal you have no heart. If you are in your thirties and not a conservative, you have no brain.- Aristide Briand



you da man, augustine By: Johne
Augustine...take up your cross...dance on their heads.

I am really amazed at your graciousness to Jim Brady. He has participated in your lynching and thanked the mob that did it. Quoth:

"We appreciate the speed and thoroughness with which our readers and media outlets surfaced these allegations. Despite the turn this has taken, we believe this event, among other things, testifies to the positive and powerful role that the Internet can play in the the practice of journalism."

Anyone that thinks the scrutiny that produced these accusations was motivated by other than partisanship is a fool. And the regular scrutiny our side of the tracks places on journalists is swiftly dismissed as partisanship, not awarded with grateful action.

If you are anything like what you have been accused of then JB was an incompetent fool to hire you and did both of you a great disservice.

Your graciousness proves your worth and contrasts to the hypocrisy of the piranhanic mob.

They are stained with your blood. Rise! and Redeem! You need not champion yourself for yourself but there is a triumph that awaits you.

[I don't really know what I am saying here, but I have some poetic instinct about justice arising from injustice,and the birth of a champion. At any rate...may you meet with good fortune].

John E.



The more they fear, the uglier they get By: LoveThatConstitution
I am sure you already know that but it needs repeating.

It is a shame you had to resign but there is definitely a bright side. Take heart in knowing that you scare them. The vitreol and vile displayed is a testament to that.

It also showed the true face of the opposition. We will never convice the truly brainwashed at Kos but those democrats that are "on the fence" had a pretty eye-opening view of their brethren this week. And, in the "any publicity is good publicity" category, these same folks, having learned of RedState, may come to see what its all about. They may show up misinformed and angry, looking to see what kind of greedy racist homophobes lurk here but will find out what we already know...

its not true.

Good Luck.

Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. -Ronald Reagan


Amen By: Sven
If a vocal minority, however fervent its cause, prevails over reason and the will of the majority, this nation has no future as a free society.

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Ben By: hoosierteacher
In combat great people (we call them heros) sometimes get injured and have to be withdrawn.  Before you (and your family and the Post) were further injured you were able to drag yourself away from the battlefield.

In Christendom great people (we call them martyrs) stand for truth and get killed for it.  Your voice in a dark world was a threat to the darkness and it felt compelled to silence you.

At RedState we have great people (we call them family) who yearn for truth, love of country, and a philosophy that we are all in this epic struggle together.

I am proud to have you as a RedState brother.  Your RedState family is with you while you pick yourself up, brush of the dirt, and ready yourself to get back to battle.  If you could forgive me for offering you advice in such a rough time; consider a vacation.  The rest would do you some good.

God bless you Ben.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" - Defoe



Ben if it is at all possible . . . By: Thorley Winston
. . . perhaps you could ask the WaPo to post your response on their site so that their readers can hear more about it than just "resigned under cloud of plagiarism charges."

Russ Feingold is the United States what Gaius Baltar is to the Twelve Colonies.


This episode By: FirstState
This episode just furthers and strengthens my resolve to fight the left tooth and nail, with all I have, for the future of America.

Godspeed, Ben Domenech.



With respect By: brendanm98
the specifics would be beside the point if you were admitting to youthful plagiarism. As I've stated elsewhere, I think much of this is overblown, and I for one would be more than happy to move on with such an admission. We are all much more than the sum of our college years.

Since you dispute the charges, I think it would be well worth your while to spend a little additional care describing the specifics, particularly the NRO pieces in contention. To be blunt, there's so much material in question that a more in-depth explanation would be required before I personally could extend you the benefit of the doubt on this particular point.

Looking forward to your future work, at RS and elsewhere.



Now I understand. By: Rightwingsparkle
Although I read RedState and link it all the time on my blog, I never paid attention to who "Augustine" was. when I started reading about this I wondered why the left side of the blogosphere had their claws out on this one.

Now I understand.

We can't have a member of a distinguished rightwing blog be given a forum where they might actually CHANGE someone's mind or at least make them think about an issue in a different way.

The ever intolerant left goes all McCarthyism.

Do you think they even see that they have become what they claim to hate?



And where is Michelle Malkin in all of this? By: eroyce
Hmmmm.

Yep.  Right at the head of the pack, baying for Republican blood without having taken the time to actually speak to Ben personally or communicate via email.

Condemned by proxy by Michelle Malkin.

No wonder I don't bother reading her nonsense.


Same place National Review is By: mcg

A MESSAGE TO OUR READERS [The Editors]

As the previous links on the matter mention, at least one of the pieces Ben Domenech is accused of having plagiarized was a movie review for National Review Online. A side-by-side comparison to another review of the same film speaks for itself. There is no excuse for plagiarism and we apologize to our readers and to Steve Murray of the Cox News Service from whose piece the language was lifted. With some evidence of possible problems with other pieces, we're also looking into other articles he wrote for NRO.

Frankly, I understand the tough place they're in. I don't think that the truth has been fully aired yet.

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That's the one that needs explaining By: Thorley Winston
It wasn't addressed in Ben's post and I hope he does soon.

Russ Feingold is the United States what Gaius Baltar is to the Twelve Colonies.
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The road goes ever on and on By: Sam Gamgee
We never quite know where the road will lead, but I am confident that your road, Augustine, will lead to great places.  Thank you for sharing your insights with all of us.  And thank you for the graciousness of your resignation letter above.  You are truly a class act!

The Road goes ever on and on
    Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
    And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
    Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
    And whither then? I cannot say.

               -- J.R.R. Tolkien


"I wonder what sort of tale we've fallen into."



Don't hide the facts- the left went McCarthyite By: shark
Fact is, they couldn't stand any conservative voice at one of "their" newsrags so much, they went on a massive hunt. Honestly, ever since Dan Rather and Eason Jordan were bought low, the left has been trying to get pelts for the trophy case.

Congrats lefties! You got a guy writing an opinion blog on a WaPo website....and Jeff Gannon.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You all heap big game-hunters!

I'm not a partisan, you're just wrong....as usual



Your former editor disagrees By: dmsilev
You write:
Before that, insertions had been routinely made in my copy, which I did not question. I did not even at that time read the publications from which I am now alleged to have lifted material. When these insertions were made, I assumed, like most disgruntled writers would, that they were unnecessary but legitimate editorial additions.

One of your editors wrote in to Atrios to say this:

Hi --

This all seems to have happened really fast. I hadn't really checked the news til midday today when I saw all of this happened. It might be kind of moot now, but I was Domenech's editor at The Flat Hat when he was writing the reviews. Four people, including me, would have handled his copy, the others being my assistant section editor, the managing editor and the editor.

This should seem obvious, but no one on the editorial staff was going into Salon (or wherever) and pasting whole sections into his reviews. We were more concerned about getting the paper done so we could get home at 2 in the morning instead of 5. We may have put additional words in the story, but it would never have been completely foreign content. It was just editing.


Link: http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_03_19_atrios_archive.html#11432337135656037 0

Now, this is he said/she said (or perhaps he/he; I don't know the gender of the former editor), but I think this requires a response.

-dms


Probably a set-up By: BlueHoo
For all we know, these "editors" were a bunch of liberal kooks intent on setting Ben up to tear him down later (I'm sure Ben's politics were no mystery to the rest of the Flat Hat staff, and these "editors" seem to be conveniently lurking on Atrios).  They could have easily snuck passages into Ben's original work, and stored this nugget away as ammunition against his promising future.  It's really sad what antics people will stoop to...

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Yeah, a set-up By: Carl Johnson
That's believable.

There was a conspiracy among the editors to plant falsified incriminating evidence in Domenech's pieces, so that they could be retrieved years later to support false charges of plagiarism.

That certainly makes more sense than the simpler explanation.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

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Then you'd rather believe By: BlueHoo
An Atrios reader who somehow manages to remember specific details about some crummy movie reviews from 7 years ago?  Also, the "editor" acknowledges putting some "additional words in the story," and some "foreign content" -- just not "completely foreign content."  Reading this side-by-side with Ben's response, I don't think it's ridiculous at all to explore the possibility of a set-up (college papers being as controlled by the MSM as any publication).

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I notice you don't quote what the guy said By: Carl Johnson
Which is this:

"We may have put additional words in the story, but it would never have been completely foreign content. It was just editing."

As you can see, contrary to your false claim, there is no acknowledgement that any foreign content was put into the story.  For an editor to put additional words into a story is utterly unremarkable.

What's your explanation for the fact that Domenech's lifting of the P. J. O'Rouke piece, which Domenech said ran as "inspired by O'Rourke's original" does not in fact include any mention at all of O'Rourke.

I'm sure that your explanation will be both imaginative and entertaining, as was your last explanation.

I still think the true explanation is the simplest one.

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And what is the "true explanation"? By: BlueHoo
My point was that the editors did not claim to insert no "foreign content," but rather that they did not insert "completely foreign content."  Your post challenges not my suggestion of a possible theory for what happened, but rather the veracity of Ben's explanation.  What sense would it make for Ben to respond to these allegations with a personal attack against his former editors, unless it was the truth?  None.  

Perhaps a simpler explanation would be that the editors are now forensicly manufacturing certain "editorial techniques" in order to save face.  They are likely facing the same questions from their employers as Ben faced from the Washington Post -- as an editor, one of your responsibilities is to ensure that your writers use proper citations for their sources, and these editors either failed in this duty or were trying to destroy a young, politically charged young writer (CBS attempted to destroy Bush in an analogous manner, after all).  Only additional investigation will uncover the truth.

Similarly, it would make no sense at all for Ben to invent an interaction with P.J. O'Rourke that never took place.  If that was the case, O'Rourke could, and would, simply deny ever having given Ben such permission.

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Seriously... By: HaroldHutchison
Why are the DailyKos thugs getting a pass?

How many false charges must be hurled against someone before I can doubt their veracity on their face?

At this point, I see no reason to trust any allegation from MyDD, Atrios, or Kos.  None.  Zip.  Ben's far more credible at this point than the left-wing character assassins at those sites.

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well By: scarshapedstar
Given that the "thugs" were 100% on the money this time, seems like a bad moment to start with the ad hominem.










Consider for a moment, however.... By: Section9
...why on Earth the Angry Pantsuit Left spent entire forests worth of newsprint and terabytes of information to take down little old Ben?

Understand something; they own the WaPo. The notion that the Left's sentiments aren't shared by most of the reporters and editors at MSM outlets such as the NYT and CBS is a risible joke. Why did the Kossacks and Atrios start drooling on their keyboards over Augustine?

There is the gnawing bit of doubt on the Left that they are beginning to lose the propaganda war. The great argument with Conservatism was lost during the Reagan era. The Clinton Presidency merely confirmed that. Despite Bush's low numbers, there is this tendency on the part of the American people to distrust the news they are getting. They believe that the MSM has an agenda. Anything that takes the MSM away from the control of the Left reduces the power of the Left. Ben's blog at the WaPo was a tiny foot in the door of an established liberal paper by one of our own, and probably would have been followed in due course by a Blue.

The mere existence of Ben's blog was a threat to the established order of things, and had to be eliminated. The plagiarism charges were, apparently, so much window dressing. For my part, I am satisfied with Ben's explanation.

"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it"-Winston Churchill



Take heart, young warrior By: Sven
I've taken heart from what Theodore Roosevelt once said about the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again because there is not effort without error and shortcoming, but who does actually strive to do the deed, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumphs of high achievements and with the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly.



Many Rivers To Cross By: kowalski
Ben, thank you so very much for this post.  I hope everyone in the media looks carefully at what happened here, and I hope especially that they examine the spirit in which it was done.  I agree with Thorley that at the very least the WaPo should publish your response.  We have broad shoulders, Ben, and I'm proud of you for weathering this storm, and I'm even more honored to be a member of RedState.  I would have posted this sooner but access was sporadic.

It may not be any consolation to you at this moment, but I think others here are correct when they observe that what happened to you in the past few days is going to have much more important ramifications.  In the meantime, keep your chin up.    

Veritas vos Liberabit



Sheesh By: etatsder
Everyone is wrong and people are just out to sabotage you ever since you were seventeen?  Grow up.  This reminds me of how a majority of African Americans defend O.J. Simpsons simply because he is one of them rather even though it is obvious with the blood is on his hands (figuratively and literally).

Take heart Ben.  You could committ mass murder and people here would still defend you.

Sad.


You're a real hero, pal. n/t By: Mark I


-If you are in your twenties and not a liberal you have no heart. If you are in your thirties and not a conservative, you have no brain.- Aristide Briand
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You, etatsder, are a dork By: smagar
'Nuff said.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)



Why resign then? By: squeaky wheel
Should have let them fire you.  By resigning your case is unresolved, at least in my eyes.  Had you let them investigate the matter, then you would have been absolved, as the case may be, after the investigation.  This would have lended to your credibility.

If the death threats and obscene messages you received played a part in this, I can understand the resignation.  Were I to find myself in such a position I would rather value my sanity and peace of mind knowing my loved ones were safe from the tyranny of extremists.  I would do likewise, had your motive been that.

But the issue still remains - had you allowed the investigation to ensue, all the matter would have been resolved and you'd have been a shining star in a sea of dimwitted liberals.  Yet you chose a different route and decided to embolden your enemy by allowing them to win their game too easily.

I don't think you owe anyone an explanation, I can respect that.  But you have left me wondering if you are indeed telling the truth in this matter.


Maybe you missed the part By: Leon H Wolf
Where the investigation is still going on.

"If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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Drop dead, troll. By: neodanite
Take all the other kos-trolls with you.

Your jealousy is just plain ugly.

Christians who vote for democrats are stupid.




Who is the plagiarist? By: MSS
Ben Domenech says most of the alleged instances of plagiarism were the fault of his editors at his college paper.  At least one editor disagrees.  Who's right?  

Plagiarism is often a habit.  If the editors of Flat Hat were inserting copy from Salon and WaPo into Domenech's pieces, they were almost surely doing similar things to other articles in the same paper.  Domenech or his supporters could bolster their case by finding examples.

If no such examples can be found, I think the burden of proof lies with Domenech, not the Flat Top editors.

Likewise, if the Cox News bit that made its way into a National Review Online piece turns out to be a genuine case of plagiarism---and I see no defense above on this, the most troubling instance yet alleged---then Domenech's credibility to impugn his Flat Top editors takes a big hit.

This isn't over, and more evidence is going to come out to resolve the above questions.



Accusation? By: DAHmich
You said this:
Likewise, if the Cox News bit that made its way into a National Review Online piece turns out to be a genuine case of plagiarism---and I see no defense above on this
Is this the same article you are talking about?
The most recent accusation, is that I stole a music review from Crosswalk and passed it off at National Review Online. In fact, I wrote both lists myself; I was one of Crosswalk's music review contributors at the time.
It would seem that Ben answered your question himself. You did read Ben's piece, right?


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No, it's not the same. By: mcg
That's a music review; the NRO piece in question is a movie review.

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No, By: MSS
This was a movie review from Cox New Service, not a music review from Crosswalk.  I hadn't even heard about the latter allegation.  The Cox piece appeared under the byline Steve Murray, and can be accessed here

This raises a troubling point about Domenech post.  It devotes only a couple of paragraphs to rebutting what are now many allegations of plagiarism.  This affair is moving fast, so no one expects Domenech to have a twenty page explanation rebutting those allegations point-by-point out yet.  But that is what it is going to take.  His post just raises more questions, as far as I can see.

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The Cox News Service By: kowalski
Allegation still bothers me.  Not everyone from CNS has been a fan of the President:  that's fine, it's their prerogative as a news outlet.  And my Internet access currently travels over Cox Cable.  They're the only game in town where I live (at least right now.)  Yes, Cox is a monopoly where I live.

But what I see here is a little weird, and it raises questions that need to be answered:  If Ben did rip off that piece from a Cox writer...WHY?  

You can't chalk it up to a lack of knowledge that these things will eventually come back to bite you.  Not anymore.  There was a time, in the early days of the Internet, before it was fast, before it was indexed, that you could get away with this kind of thing.  

Those days are over and if anyone thinks they aren't, from either of the two big political parties in this country or any of the smaller splinter ones, you will stroll into the propellers if you think otherwise.

I don't know what Ben's answer to this one is.  But here's fair warning to everyone else:  the world is focused on you with an electron microscope, and nothing you write on the Internet will ever disappear.  Treat everything you write as though it will be read to your mother, your grandmother, and you're mother-in-law, forever and ever, amen.  End of rant.

Veritas vos Liberabit

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You're welcome to judge for yourself. By: mcg
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Friend, look By: Thomas
Cut it out. You've made your point all over. My kill count is now at 26. Let's not bring it to 27 with you, ok?

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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Only to rebut By: mcg
the same fallacious claims made all over as well; i.e., that Ben has addressed all relevant allegations.

[ Parent ] (User Info) (#71)

I've read the excerpts... By: HaroldHutchison
Accusations on that review, if the excerpt is any indication, are crap.  I don't see any apparent plagarism there.

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You have got to be joking. By: mcg
It would be one thing to posit an innocent explanation; say, a common source.

But to suggest that the similarities between the third paragraph of Ben's piece and the first of Steve Cox's aren't suspicious? I just don't see how you can say that.

I really want there to be an innocent explanation. In fact, I went looking for an explanation: perhaps both of them pulled from a third source, say a press release or production notes from the movie itself.

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And there's the bell By: Thomas
Ding.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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I think you're a bit too close to this By: brendanm98
to be objective.

I suspect you may reconsider the fairness, appropriateness, and helpfulness of this action in the morning.  

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I counted three warnings By: Thomas
Which is two more than anyone else gets. I've banned for less stalking.

This stands.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

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Thank you. n/t By: drewmc2001


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That was me being nice By: Thomas
The next equivalent comment is me being otherwise. Understood?

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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Thomas By: bergman
What are you, twelve?

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What is six times nine? By: Thomas
Only in your world is it 42.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
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The fate of RedState By: The Peloponnesian
If the site collapses in the next few days, it will have less to do with Ben's history and more to do with Thomas' loss of composure.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)

"Loss"? By: Thomas
Clearly you haven't read much of my writing. And, as clearly, you don't know how much I've held my tongue on this.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

I can haedly wait for the next By: DAHmich
"Thomas is Ruining RedState" thread...It will be a doozy!

The principal difference between RedState and Kos, is the principle difference between RedState and Kos! ©


You're right By: The Peloponnesian
I don't know how much you've held your tongue, but I do know how much you've failed to hold your tongue.  And IMHO the latter is strong evidence that you haven't done enough of the former -- even if you've done the former more than any other man alive.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)

My hanky will never dry, now. By: Thomas
Your kind thoughts have been noted and warmly received. I may now add you to the legion of whom, it may be said fairly, that if I had a penny for every one of you short-bus-riding mouth breathers, I'd be able to go put down a downpayment on a new house.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

amazing By: The Peloponnesian
I suspect you constantly mistake your childish insults for cleverness.  That would be an error.

Do you believe that by alienating more and more thinking conservatives who came to this site thinking it might be an important resource, you will do valuable service for anybody other than (1) the Left, and (2) your own ego?  I would try to disavow you of that notion, if I believed that you were capable of keeping the venom in your mouth long enough to listen.  But at this point I don't give you that much credit.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)


Oh, I leave sins of pride to pseudo-Greeks By: Thomas
Do you believe that by alienating more and more thinking conservatives who came to this site thinking it might be an important resource, you will do valuable service for anybody other than (1) the Left, and (2) your own ego?

As soon as I alienate one, I'll let you know. Well, I'll let your mom know.

I would try to disavow you of that notion, if I believed that you were capable of keeping the venom in your mouth long enough to listen.

In my fangs.

But at this point I don't give you that much credit.

Somebody needs a nap.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky


question By: The Peloponnesian
Why do you keep mentioning my mom?  It's really rather odd.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)

I'd think it would be self-evident By: Thomas
I can't imagine you have enough education under your belt to actually read and write all this, especially given your problems with understanding the English language. Someone has to be doing the hard work for you.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

I see. By: The Peloponnesian
More personal insults.  This seems to be the outer limits of your intellect.  Actually, I have 3 postsecondary degrees -- one of which is a JD and the other of which is an LLM.  But thank you for being concerned about my education.  It's nice to know you care.


"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)

Bully for you By: Thomas
Oops. There's that word again.

I probably shouldn't keep you from your nap any longer. Ta ta.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky



I need some of those. Can you link By: Tbone
the site where you got them?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Sure! By: The Peloponnesian
http://www.law.ufl.edu/

Oh wait, you were being sarcastic.  Oh well.  Go Gators!

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)


Dangit. And a Gator to boot. By: Thomas
Now I'm genetically incapable of shooting you.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky


and just when you were getting By: DAHmich
some credibility, too!    ;>]

The principal difference between RedState and Kos, is the principle difference between RedState and Kos! ©


Gators got a law school? By: Tbone
I didn't know that pizza delivery was so heavily regulated.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

LMAOROFL! n/t By: DAHmich


The principal difference between RedState and Kos, is the principle difference between RedState and Kos! ©








also By: The Peloponnesian
Are you suggesting that I'm not a conservative because I'm offended by your personal insults?

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)

No. By: Thomas
I'm suggesting that anyone who self-importantly describes him or herself as a "thinking conservative" is at the very most only one of those.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

ENOUGH OF THIS ALREADY! By: DAHmich
Thomas, seriously you need to step away from the computer for a few days.  We all understand that Ben is your friend.  We all understand you think he is being unfairly attacked!  We all understand you want to defend him.

But, you are doing yourself, AND RedState a disservice with all the vitriol you are spewing at everyone!

Most of the trolls are gone! Most of the Kossacks have moved on, cheering each other for having brought down the evil Augustine!  

Now you are driving the SANE people away!

Please, just  settle down!

The principal difference between RedState and Kos, is the principle difference between RedState and Kos! ©



interesting By: The Peloponnesian
So conservatism and serious thought are incompatible?  I think you and Kos could agree on that.  I continue to disagree, but meeting more conservatives like you might bring me around rather quickly.

Your best bet is to hope that we're the only two people reading this discussion.  Otherwise, you're embarrassing yourself dearly in front of other RedStaters.  The instinct to personally insult someone while being completely ignorant about that individual is a dangerous instinct indeed.  Especially when it turns out that that individual you've insulted is someone you might have wanted as an ally later in your career.

For the record, I'm a lawyer serving on the majority staff of a prominent congressional committee who does things like help shepherd tax cuts and spending cuts through the U.S. Congress.  So rather than forever alienating me, I'd rather you just thank me for working 60-80 hour weeks to help enact the conservative agenda into law.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)


You have my profound thanks By: Thomas
And as a rule, if you don't want to be insulted, it might behoove you not to start off on round one with a jab to the face. Just a thought.

It might also behoove you to note that I was not saying that thinking and conservatism are incompatible; a reading of what I wrote would suggest that anyone who calls himself a thinking conservative is at most conservative or thinking, but not both. The term of art is usually a fairly good identifier for someone who believes that (1) there are unthinking conservatives and (2) he, of course, is smarter than they. A profoundly unconservative attitude, or a massive intellectual error.

The instinct to personally insult someone while being completely ignorant about that individual is a dangerous instinct indeed.  Especially when it turns out that that individual you've insulted is someone you might have wanted as an ally later in your career.

For the record, I'm a lawyer serving on the majority staff of a prominent congressional committee who does things like help shepherd tax cuts and spending cuts through the U.S. Congress.  So rather than forever alienating me, I'd rather you just thank me for working 60-80 hour weeks to help enact the conservative agenda into law.

Y'know, I have a simple rule, and it's cost me dearly in my life, and will cost me dearly in the future: I don't associate with folks who think a great way to start a relationship is a smack in the face. It's gonna cost me, but I find myself utterly unmoved to change that rule.

Put differently: Up until this exchange, I enjoyed reading your comments. But given that I was in the middle of slashing a troll -- someone who had the good grace to not call himself any kind of conservative -- when you decided you'd make an unsolicited comment aimed at me, I'm inclined to stick you in that group.

I'm an insurance defense lawyer. I play no great role in the universe. Frankly, I have no desire to do so.

What this means is, first, take a leap with your hours boast; you have no idea to whom you're speaking. A 60-80 hour week is a vacation for me. Second, while there is some possibility you might aid my career, I doubt it; I don't care; and I wouldn't take it if offered from someone who felt a need to come peel off a scab in the middle of a fight.

By the way: Great work on those spending cuts.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky


wrapping up By: The Peloponnesian
I think we can let this die now.  I appreciate your change of tone.  You're probably right that I shouldn't have made an unsolicited comment while you were in the process of slashing.  It did strike me as somewhat out of line, but I recognize I might have missed the broader context (and I know nothing about the person you were attacking other than those immediate comments in that thread -- which I didn't think were so deserving of your hostility).

BTW, I wasn't bragging about how many hours I work.  I have many lawyer friends who work much longer hours than I do.  And I used to do the same in the private sector as a tax lawyer -- which is one of the reasons why I left the world of billable hours for the world of legislating.  I don't envy your workload at all.  Rather, what I was trying to say was not that I work long hours, but that I spend most of my time advancing an agenda that I suspect you strongly support. I.e., we're on the same side so I was disappointed by how you turned on me.

Anyway, I'll take to heart your assertion that I either adopted an unconservative attitude or I made an intellectual error.  I'm not sure either one of those quite fit, but I can see that there is a fair criticism of my "thinking conservative" comment that has something to do with the comment's implicit elitism.

Cheers.


"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)


My one note: By: Thomas
There was a lot more than that one comment. I banned him for his opus in a different thread, but didn't want him to think I'd neglected his solicitude here.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

point taken By: The Peloponnesian
As I said, I didn't consider that there was a broader context.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)













I think the site will only improve By: Ender
With the loss of so many idiotic lurking leftists. Send em back to where they should be, the playground of the ignorant and the immoral - kos and the rest of the thugs.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR


Dream on, Pelopobuddy! By: smagar
This site collapse?  HA?  You wish!

Now we're just getting our bloodlust up.  

See ya around, moonbat.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)


wonderful By: The Peloponnesian
<sarcasm>Because what this country really needs is more "bloodlust."</sarcasm>

So criticizing someone whose political philosophy happens to be conservative, not for being conservative but for being a bully, now makes one a moonbat and a lefty.  It's a shame how many people on this site differ from Kossites only in their political views, but not in their temperment.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)


The word "bully" By: Thomas
Means something specific. Have your mother read the definition to you sometime. (Obviously, this comment is aimed at Mom anyway.)

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

Thanks By: The Peloponnesian
You continue to make my point better than I ever could.

"Society is... a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are living, those who are dead, and those who are to be born." (Burke)

Mom? By: Thomas
You're not helping your kid's cred around here. He's probably overdue for a nap anyway. Tell him he doesn't get to use the computer again until he can calm down.

And just between we adults, shouldn't you be putting a bit of a filter on his dialogue? Seriously: It does him no favors to give in to all of his whims.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky
















Ben By: FireFireFire
"Success is how you bounce on the bottom."
                          Gen Geo.S Patton.



God Bless You By: Elizabeth
Ben / Augustine,

I've been following this whole unfolding saga since the day after Red America went online.  Ever since the plagarism charges surfaced, I haven't known what to think.  I have been very moved by your writing (particularly your March 22 blog entry on your own blog site).  You come across to me as a man with a lot of character.  But the charges made have been very serious, and I initially didn't see how you could dispute them.  I very much appreciate your explanation above, and now realize that all the charges made may have reasonable explanations.  However, what I've finally realized in the end is that I have no way of knowing what's true and what's not, until and unless some kind of investigation is done.  And you know what?  It doesn't really matter what I think.  Nor does it matter what all the chattering mouths on the left or the right think.  What matters is that in all of this you have integrity and a clean conscience before God.  He is the God who can summon thousands upon thousands of angels to fight for His children when we face seemingly impossible odds in our fight for good.  And He is the God, who even when we fail and do wrong, calls us back to Himself and showers us with His grace and mercy.  I have seen him pull miracles out of ashes in my own life.   I don't know the facts in all of this, and I'm not even going to pretend to judge the rights and wrongs of it.  But know that I am praying for you, and I know that whether you've done wrong or not, He is there for you.

Your sister in Christ.



My "2" cents By: buttermyself
Using the Internet posting "anonymous" nicknames to slander and defame people that one does not like or agree with their beliefs or a political stance should not be tolerated. There needs to be a"criteria" clause established and maintained regarding respect of persons. If a person took the approach of slandering or defaming another person in public or the workplace -- this would be considered "harassment" and liable under defamation laws resulting in lawsuits, and it should be inappropriate behavior on the computer as well.


No thanks By: zuiko
I like my 1st Amendment as asterick free as possible.

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"But" By: buttermyself
There are respectful ways to express differences of opinions and resorting to personal attacks suggests the people in opposition are void of being able to defend their opposing views in a coherent effective manner.

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I am ashamed By: JimGinPGH
The D on my voter registration card fades a little more everyday. Good luck to you Augustine.



Two NRO articles By: tyrionthedwarf
Ben:

Let's forget for a moment about the accusations regarding plagiarism at your college newspaper. Let's assume you are telling the truth -- it was the editor at the newspaper who did it. Hard to believe, but ok.

And let's ignore the article you wrote for the New York Press on Frist and its close resemblance to the Washington Post article on the same subject. Maybe that was just an amazing coincidence given the fact that, as you say, you and the Washington Post writer were both at Frist's press conference.

Given all this, how do you explain the striking resemblance between parts of the moview review you wrote on Final Fantasy for the NRO in July, 2001 and Steve Murphy of Cox News Service's review of the same movie?

Or the resemblance between parts of the article you wrote on Britney Spears for NRO in July of 2000, and that of an article written on Britney Spears in May of that year on Salon?

You can find NRO current opinion on the Final Fantasy review you wrote for them here. "http://corner.nationalreview.com/"

Was an editor at NRO also lifting material from other sources and putting them in your articles against your wishes?

Because, to be honest, I really can't see any other explanation, other than that you plagiarized these other two articles.

Perhaps I am wrong. If so, please explain.

And if I am right -- please admit it. And please, stop blaming others for your misfortune.

Thanks.



I will look for you return By: kent miller
What I've seen thus far is a partial explanation of the plagiarism accusations, most of which seem plausible to me.   I have enjoyed reading much of your work and there is no doubt to the quality and quantity of original thinking and writing that it contains.  I will wait for a full explanation of each charge.  Where there is a good explanation I'm sure we will get it.  

For cases that may be questionable or for which culpability remains than after an appropriate mea culpa and some period of time I will once again enjoy your material and have little lingering suspicions regarding its originality.   I'm not presupposing a verdict; I'm just being open to possible outcomes.  Having said that, we have all been guilty of transgression some large and some small, most include some statute of limitations.  Since this charge would not prevent you from becoming, oh I don't know, let's say Senator from Delaware, I'm sure that, if they were proven true, they wouldn't prevent a resumption of a writing career.

For those that threw the other disgusting accusations at you, there is no excuse. bb




The Plagiarist and the Pear Thief By: Scroop Moth
He styles himself as "Augustine," but he's no saint, this Domenech.

The real Augustine picked the scabs of his conscience in order to discover and confess his wickedness in picking a pear from a neighbor's tree, years before as a youth.

One pear.

The pseudo Augustine, on the other hand, confesses only that he's "reached the point where there is nothing I can really do to defend myself."

St. Domenech was an endearing teenager:  "When I was 17, I was certainly sloppy,"  he recalls.  Unfortunately therefore, he became the victim of editors' sloppiness, as well as his own.  The "pear" more or less just fell into his lap.

Stuff like that has happened to the grown-up St. Domenech, too.  

Howard Kurtz reports that Domenech says a paragraph sounding a lot like one he wrote for National Review Online subsequently appeared in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.  

In other words, far from being wicked, this "saint" is the victim of a pear thief.  

Maybe he should have called himself St. Sebastian.



Move along folks- By: c17wife
nothing to see here.

Clayton, I thought you said they had to wait 5 days.  WTF?

Somewhere in Massachusetts, a village is missing BOTH its idiots.


I'm thinking its more like 5 minutes! n/t By: DAHmich


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Old garbage piles up By: ConservativeD
At least this whole espisode give RS a chance to do a little spring cleaning with those who had previously signed up and just lurked.

That meteor is headed straight for us, with the fire, and the impact, and the hundred percent chance of pain... Pain in the glavin!!

then again... By: Abigail
Some of us are friendly lurkers.  I've been registered on Redstate for more than a year (IIRC) and post irregularly due to a fairly demanding job (surgical resident).  I gotta say that I logged on today because I was so hopping mad at some of the other, unfriendly lurkers who, like me, have benefitted on the sly from Augustine's incisive commentary--but who are now oh-so-righteously demanding that:
a) he explain himself more than the two extensive posts today and
b) that his friends among the editorial staff take him aside and chastise him "for his own good."  

I have been fortunate enough to sit in on some wonderful conversations here at redstate, and I remember that I'm a guest in this house.  I encourage all other lurkers here to remember that we are in a forum bought, designed and run by Augustine, among others--and to show some sense of proportion.  It's just tacky to come in today of all days and pee on the rug.  Especially when it's your first time commenting here at all.

*Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality that guarantees all others.* Winston Churchill


I did not mean By: ConservativeD
to impugn friendly lurkers such as yourself, just to explain how someone with no comment history could post today even though Clayton imposed that 5 day wait list for new signups. I lurked for a while before posting as well. The "X comments (Y new)" just made it easier to sort through long threads.

That meteor is headed straight for us, with the fire, and the impact, and the hundred percent chance of pain... Pain in the glavin!!

No impugnment taken. :) By: Abigail
I didn't feel criticized in the least...in fact, I've been wondering at all the pesky posts from people I've never heard of.  And your explanation is the best I've heard.  It was just a handy springboard for stuff that's been on the tip of my virtual tongue (would that be an e-tongue?  a blog-tongue?  a blongue??) all day, what with the lurkers peeing all over the carpeting.  Thanks for the friendly response, though...those are running in short supply here today.  

*Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality that guarantees all others.* Winston Churchill

A good indication to look for... By: DAHmich
when you see one of these "off the wall" comments, look up user info; comments;  usually you will see they've been posting since, oh, 5:00 tonight....:-)

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Comment History By: Scroop Moth
I just verified I really do have a comment history.  Two previous comments on 11/21/05 about Jack Murtha:

"Retreat Negation"
"Stigmatize the TALK, start the WALK"


And I just checked your credit history By: DAHmich
You ARE Jack Murtha!

The principal difference between RedState and Kos, is the principle difference between RedState and Kos! ©

heh By: ConservativeD
Credit history

I don't care who you are, that's funny! (plagiarized from some redneck)

That meteor is headed straight for us, with the fire, and the impact, and the hundred percent chance of pain... Pain in the glavin!!


Humor By: Scroop Moth
This is for the benefit of the bleeding St. Sebastian, right?










Augustine and the pears? By: currey
You sir are a moron. If you wish to cite the historical Augustine...better go back and read of what you cite. His mother, Monica, prayed for 37 years for his conversion.  37 years of depravity before salvation. That did not make him a teenager you imbecile.  The pear picking had to do with guilt, which you obviously know nothing of.
I don't mind people going after others in the context of argument.  I just can't abide some backwards, pseudo intellectual who is a mental midget citing history incorrectly.  You must be a Berkley grad.
 

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke

Retardation, ignorance, and education. By: Scroop Moth
Sorry, only a Michigan grad. We were not such exalted talents to get away with not actually reading stuff, so I did have to, actually, 35 years ago.

You're correct about the lateness of St. Augustine's conversion.  But the pear theft happened at a young age (I'm thinking puberty).  Augustine treats this juvenile crime as a great depravity, worse than having a mistress (perhaps out of respect for her and the kids).  By the time he converted, he was a wealthy rhetorician, and had no reason to steal pears (or to plagiarize).  The pear theft wasn't only a metaphor for original sin; it was a painful and humiliating moral blemish in Augustine's memory and image of himself.

I'm often wrong, so was sorry to find your post unhelpful. (Although colorfully Dickensian!)  Send me some line references and I'll search out my yellow Confessions.  Glad I didn't throw it away!  


Augustine and the pears part 2 By: currey
First off, the historical Augustine didn't steal one pear...he and his scondrel friends stole a bushel of pears that they then fed to the pigs.  He was 16.  
Take the time to read of what you cite.. "Confessions" Book 2 Chapter 4-10.  He explicitly tells you why he stole the pears..
"Those pears were truly pleasant to the sight, but it was not for them that my miserable soul lusted, for I had an abundance of better pears. I stole those simply that I might steal, for, having stolen them, I threw them away."

Then he exposits for several chapters the consequences of guilt to a revealed soul...

"But since the pleasure I got was not from the pears, it was in the crime itself, enhanced by the companionship of my fellow sinners."

Finally contrition...

"I fell away from thee, O my God, and in my youth I wandered too far from thee, my true support. And I became to myself a wasteland."

If you think that his contrition was just because he got older, wealthier and worried about his reputation, well you've missed the whole meaning of his writtings.  He was remorsefull to the point of total degradation at the disappointment and disobedience he showed God.  Read the book!

I think that Ben has most appropriately chosen Augustine as his nom de Plum.  Now, get off it and next time try a little contrition yourself.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke


You're misreading "self-image" By: jpe
"If you think that his contrition was just because he got older, wealthier and worried about his reputation"

That isn't at all what he meant; you've misunderstood.  Augustine wasn't worried about his reputation in front of others.  Rather, he was always reflecting on himself and what a depraved sinner he was.  This is the "self-image" that so distressed him.  


Spare me By: currey
"By the time he converted, he was a wealthy rhetorician, and had no reason to steal pears (or to plagiarize). "

Your reading of this is uninformed and not knowledgable of the presuppositional apologetic that Augustine used.

You can bend the truth all you want to suit your views, as pragmatists do, but it won't work here. Your buddy mis-applied the historical facts on Augustine to make his point then askes for understanding because he had read it 35 years ago in his youth.  Funny isn't it.  He wants absolution for making a mistake yet has the gall to go after Ben for the same thing.

Go back to DailyKos where you can fool those lemmings into believing you have some sort of education.  

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke



Please don't embarass yourself anymore By: currey
This thread is not a commentary on Augustine of Hippo, and you should not embarass yourself on the subject.  
To the point:
Confessions was not about Augustine's self image.  That would be the antithesis of what he was going for.  It was about his guilt (which in the Augustinian philosophy was given him by God and part of God's Sovereignty-all things come from God) of a debauched life (incontinent man) and God's Grace (predestinated election).  The focus of the book was on God not on him...
"To whom do I narrate this? ... And to what end? That I and all who read the same may reflect out of what depths we are to cry unto Thee. For what cometh nearer to Thine ears than a confessing heart and a life of faith? "  Bk 2, Chapt.5

"Accept the sacrifice of my confessions by the agency of my tongue, which Thou has formed and quickened, that it may confess to Thy name... But let my soul praise Thee, that it may love Thee; and let it confess Thine own mercies to Thee, that it may praise Thee." Bk 5, Chapt. 5

"Why, therefore, do I place before Thee so many relations of Things? ... that I may awaken my own love and that of my readers towards Thee, that we may all say, "Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised." Bk 11, Chap. 1

So please, I'm begging you...stop the insanity and  just go away.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke


Huh By: jpe
The only thing I can imagine is that you're intentionally being stupid.  

The focus of the book was on God not on him...

Like it or not, much of the book is about how wretched Augustine is in front of God.  In other words, what tortures him is his perception of this wretchedness; that's why he keeps describing how awful he is over and over again.  


Wrong again By: currey
How does it feel to get up every day and be wrong.  It must be very miserable for you.  
You can go to a pletera of references on the web (or in the library) and research this.  You will find that you sir are the stupid one if you care to take the time to do the research...you just don't want to.  These scholarly publications can help you with your ignorance on Augustine...but they can't fix stupid.  And I don't think you are fixable. You're interpretation of the tome is juvenile, unperceptive  and unacademic.    
As I have stated before, go back to Daily Kos where you can fool them...it won't work here...not on this subject.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke





The Temptation of St. Anthony By: Scroop Moth
Good catch.  I misstated the number of pears.  But I was right about the material insignificance of what St. Augustine stole and the youthfulness of the crime.  Your citation is excellent. The sin is the turning away from God, not the thing turned toward.  It's the carelessness, not the size of the spill, so to speak.  

Don't worry, I didn't think the things you hypothesized I thought, and I agreed about the remorse.  Thanks so much for recommending contrition for me!  I like that.  People are always urging me to be more hard-shelled and less apologetic, perhaps more like a RedStater!

As to my main point, you contradict it without explanation, so I've got to get back on it.  St. Augustine confessed, but Domenech was busted.  The pseudo Augustine misdirected, played the victim, and, according to Howard Kurtz, even tried to blame the plagiarism on a writer whose work he took.  St. Augustine didn't write his confessions at the police station, nor did he project his own demons on anyone who tried to hold him accountable.

Domenech wanted to be Augustine.  RedState writers treated him like St. Sebastian.  But I think Domenech sees himself as St. Anthony, a well-intentioned servant of the cause, more sinned against than sinning, and plagued by horrible demons who are really liberals from Eschaton.



And Moloch and his kin strode among men By: Thomas
And lay with women.

And in those days they spawned on the race of Men and on the face of the earth Trolls, and they openly mocked the face of High Heaven.

And then there was Fire, for there would never again be a Flood; and they were gone.

If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky



please give it a rest! By: DAHmich
or I will sick Thomas™ on you!

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Too late. (nt) By: Thomas


If this is mastery, then I'm a donut. - Mike Krempasky

that's not fair! By: DAHmich
You have high speed internet.  We can't pull the tin cans tight enough to get high speed out here!

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Too late! By: DAHmich
Don't say I didn't warn you!

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Howard Kurtz By: currey
Anyone who quotes Howard Kurtz is suspect in my book.
Since I am a Christian and not a Roman Catholic I can't comment on the various Saints associated with Catholic dogma...but Paul got zapped on his way to Damascus where he was blinded (blinded by who?...Christ) for 3 days.  When he was given back his sight he converted.  He got "busted" by the ultimate buster.  
Augustine wrote Confessions after many years of a debauched life.  How do you know he was not chastised over and over again by his mother, served time in jail or scolded by local priests for his perversions?  Where you there?   Augustine heard a childlike voice that told him to pick up the scriptures and read.  That was his moment. Years later he wrote Retractions where he redefined and resubmitted his views on his beliefs. Who's to say that this is not Ben's.
Now, I'm not going to sit here and school you in Augustininan philosophy..you posted info that was categorically wrong and you got "busted".  Take this chance and learn from it.  Since you are obviously not a scholar, I suggest you study up on the subject..you find a myriad of reference materials to read.  
As for Ben,  proof's in the pudding.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke







I don't buy it... By: cahnman
...I've been a loyal RedState poster for a good six months.  A quick check of my past posts (2006 predictions notwithstanding) will show me to be pretty solidly right of center on most issues.

"The truth is, no conservative could write for the Post without being subject to the gauntlet of the liberal attack machine. There is no question in my mind that any RedState contributor writing for this blog would have found leftists delving through his high school yearbooks and grade school book reports in an effort to discredit and defame him. And if you too were a sloppy teenage writer, your errors or
the errors of others would've been exploded."

I don't buy this defense.  Ben, if you were really a teenager when these bylines occured, then you should produce your birth cert along with proof of the date of publication.  If you were REALLY under 20 when you wrote this, and you stuck to your guns, it would have blown over.

This leads me to two conclusions: either you are a liar or you are a pussy who runs away at the first sign of attack from the left.  For your sake, I hope it's the former.


You sir, are out of line. By: c17wife
Nick, Leon, Bueller, anyone?
This post can not stand.

Somewhere in Massachusetts, a village is missing BOTH its idiots.


then you know the profanity rule? By: ConservativeD
I know you have been around for a while. You should know better than to have profanity in a comment.

That meteor is headed straight for us, with the fire, and the impact, and the hundred percent chance of pain... Pain in the glavin!!


Blam. By: Leon H Wolf
First of all, it is a matter that precisely no one is contesting that Ben is currently 24. You do the math.

Second, the language is out of line.

"If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer




Blah, blah, blah... By: currey
What a bunch of whining.  Do you think that you can win the war against the leftists by giving in?  Well that's what it looks like here.  I don't care what they think. I don't want them to like me.  I don't want to convince them of anyting...I want to defeat them so that they can't come back and ruin my grandchildren's lives.  Ben's resignation is just that....resigning to the left.  if he can't carry the banner...then he needs to get out of the way so that someone else can.  Okay, he's hurt.  So what. Sticks and stone.  If Paul had given up we wouldn't have the conversion of the gentiles.  Washington would not have rallied the troups at Valley Forge.  Linclon wouldn't have freed the slaves.
I don't care what Ben did in his past...get over it and let's get on with it. There's too much to do and too little time.  Am I callous and non-caring..darn right.  I'll rest and care when I get the job done, not until then.

NOW GET A GRIP AND COWBOY UP!

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
Gen. George S. Patton, June 1944

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke



Proud to be your friend. (nt) By: trevino



Add me to that as well. By: MrsNachos
Not only proud, but awed by your dignity and grace.

Everybody likes nachos.



Sorry, Augustine By: itrytobenice
I know this has been really tough for you, and I'm sorry.  This may not be any consolation now, but just put it away and think about it in a couple of years:

Someone is going to be representing these nuts in the presidential election.  If the nominee is a reasonably sane person, they will feel as if they are riding an explosive keg through a 4th of July parade.  Imagine a guard in a prison for the criminally insane, with no bars.

They have done you a grave disservice, but they are going to be handicapped enormously when they are looking for an intelligent, talented person to represent them.  No one with any brains would ever even try.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.



So, the Fatherless Children win again By: tsquare
Pity that.

Ben, hold the post to the letter of their contract. Bad behavoir on the part of 'their people' should not mean your family must do without.

You and Yours are in our prayers...



A disclaimer about the last link in the article By: bee
The person that posted the first (quite offensive) comment in the last item linked to in the text, who calls himself Bee, is most certainly not me.

Yes, in this one particular instance, I am not a capitalist.  :-)


Internet member since 1987. Member of the Surreality-Based Community



God bless, Ben Domenech By: Ender
The left will eventually get what is coming to them for their anti-life anti-human agenda. Lets just hope the time is near.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR


Even in defeat, RedState is better than Kos By: shark
Look at the open discussion this site is having about this. Contrast this to Kos, who threw his "screw em" comment down the memory hole, deleted the google cache, and pretends it never happened.

We at least face our issues.

Have at it people...

I'm not a partisan, you're just wrong....as usual



You'll get past this By: von
Give it time -- and give yourself time to reflect on it.

For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.


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