First? Big deal. Fredo is still president. Barf.
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The fascists aren't even hiding it anymore.
There is no objective evidence that the United States is a "force for good in this world."
And there's a liberal bias in the media?
What a dickhead. And patronizing to boot. Notice that he does not give a damn about the dismay of many readers--this does not cause him to question his premise at all.
VOODOO FRED HIATT!!
THE MIGHT OF TACITUS'S LEFT TITTY MAKES RIGHT!!
TACITUS TITTY POWER
I've been trying to figure out what this Tacitus Left Titty stuff is all about and I've finally done it. He's Pinky to Tacitus's Brain.
Hehehe .. force for good..indeedy. Force that is fueled by borrowing from the Chinese and the Japanese.
Ipsa.. are you done with your exams?
There is no objective evidence that the United States is a "force for good in this world."
David Ehrenstein | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:38 pm | #
Maybe once upon a time. But not now. Not unless you consider bombing people and setting up puppet governments an example of "good" in the world.
I don't think we've managed to balance our good/evil ledger since Vietnam, possibly before that.
I've been trying to figure out what this Tacitus Left Titty stuff is all about and I've finally done it. He's Pinky to Tacitus's Brain.
Geez, I must be oooooollllld.
One would hope that the "many readers" who are dismayed would summarily cancel their subscriptions, no?
The question is, at what point do we stop getting by on the credit we've accrued through past good deeds and start getting judged on what we're doing RIGHT NOW? Because that's going to happen one of these days, and when it does, look out.
Atrios.. Did you get the movie version of Babylon5 yet in the mail?
Hiatt is a real assshole.
I wish I had saved the email exchange I had with him back in 2002-2003. When asked if he supported the war, he said yes. When asked if he wanted his kids to enlist to fight it, he said no. When I called him onit, he reminded me that we have a volunteer military.
It's people like this that make me wish we had a draft. (I'm glad we don't have a draft).
The premise of this highhandedness is that the United States is, on balance, a force for good in the world -- a superpower that uses its might not to subjugate others but to allow them to live freely.
And if you don't agree with us, we'll crush your asses right back into the bedrock! Got it, you non-freedom lovers!?
Might makes right,
yeah might makes right,
they say that god is on our side, that makes us mighty,
might makes right,
yeah might makes right,
they say that god is on our side, I don't beleive them...
-CVB
who's live blogging the conyer's downing street memo hearings. Now live on cspan 3.
Catch it on the web too.
kj,
got it! Thanks. Amazon doesn't give me email addresses and I'm a wee bit behind on my thank you notes...
I've been trying to figure out what this Tacitus Left Titty stuff is all about
I always thought it was reference to the Bikini Kill classic, "Suck My Left One."
No?
Thank You notes???
A little history, courtesy of Sullivan (sad that someone so well-educated is such a complete twit):
"[We] have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. [We] have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows... Our unfortunate troops,... under hard conditions of climate and supply, are policing an immense area, paying dearly every day in lives for the willfully wrong policy of the civil administration in Baghdad." - T.E. Lawrence, Sunday Times of London, August 22, 1920.
The more things change...
We're a force for good, on the balance.
You'll just have to trust us on that one.
Now get back up on that box and reattach your Freedom Wires.
disgusting.
and it should be obvious to all by now that even the world's sole superpower can have its boys and girls and moms and dads pass through the meat grinder when they engage in illegitimate wars.
unless we start acting with decency and under the law (both our own and international norms), we will continue to be under increasing danger.
No problemo.. No thanks neccessary. Thank you for this blog!
I live in Delaware, I hope to show up at Ten and Stone some day in Philly for drinking liberally.
Godd day Moonbats.What a day it is to "love freedom", eh?
The premise of this highhandedness is that the United States is, on balance, a force for good in the world -- a superpower that uses its might not to subjugate others but to allow them to live freely. This is a premise that The Post's editorial page on the whole accepts -- to the dismay of many readers.
I for one, do not believe this country has ever been a force for good.Our military has been at the whim of single minded presidents bound and determined to win yet another election. How can we be good,when all we want is more power?
you're all cold and heartless! Nancy Reagan fell in her hotel room in London, and all you can talk about is how Bush is raping the USA!
Wow. This is all really disturbing and depressing...
Not that I'm surprised, I guess. I mean, I've always thought that it wouldn't take much to push America the Beautiful off the cliff into fascism.
But to see it really happening, right before my eyes is really really fucking depressing.
Did she break a hip, or anything like that?
john hiatt, on the other hand, rocks.
I suspect that Native Americans would strongly disagree with the whole "force for good" argument.
NARF!!
There is a tone of the apologist in Hiatt, but the main thrust of his op ed is in opposition to Rumsfield. After the quoted section, he says the wrong standard is "Are we better than the beheaders, the mass killers, the U.N. peacekeepers raping young girls in the Congo? That's not close to the right question." He continues "Do we behave as well as we claim, as we should, as we expect of others? That's the beginning of the right conversation -- and why it's fair to write more editorials about exceedingly mild Koran abuse at Guantanamo Bay than about the unspeakable mass graves of Hilla." This is hardly justifying torture.
Speaking of (so-called) bad asses:
Meanwhile, in an interview with today's (Thursday) Philadelphia Inquirer, Geraldo Rivera took aim at Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean, who recently referred to Fox News as the "propaganda outlet of the Republican Party." Rivera, who signed a new four-year contract with Fox News this week, told the Inquirer that if Dean "had the guts to say that to my face, I'd smack him. Our shop is a place where ideas flourish."
There's a fight I'd like to see. Dean would hand Vault Boy his ass.
come on up. if you're near wilmington septa runs late.
Here's a complementary piece to Hiatt's view of America, from Max "Whaddaya Call 100,000 Dead Iraqis? A Good Start" Boot:
... I would go further and offer citizenship to anyone, anywhere on the planet, willing to serve a set term in the U.S. military. We could model a Freedom Legion after the French Foreign Legion.
The idea that maybe the default state of the United States should not be permanent war never penetrates their Chobham-armored skulls, does it?
karmic_jay ~
That was a nice thing to do. You're groovy.
This is how 'Iranians' imagine the US-
http://www.pressreleases.be/scri...Days=d&ID;=27152
"...(74%) of Iranians feel America's presence in the Middle East will increase the probability of democracy in their own country."
I can't believe what historical losers the dems will turn out to be if Bush is successful. Even if not the whole region, any countries democracy in the ME, will have sprung from a 'Bush'.
Your party is dying, a sad and lonely death.
Via Avarosis: Teresa Heinz Kerry is throwing a lot of money toward defeating Senator Man-on-Dog next year.
Oooo...can you hear wingnut heads exploding. "Tur-ay-suh" is going to take out that sick fuck.
You go, girl!
When asked if he wanted his kids to enlist to fight it, he said no. When I called him onit, he reminded me that we have a volunteer military.
Ah, the tautology, the statement that causes many a rational brain to come spluttering to a halt. "My kids shouldn't have to enlist because we have a volunteer military." Whaaaaa?
So if I'm stronger than Hiatt I can punch him in the head without repercussion. After all, most of the time I am a force for good.
Dean would hand Vault Boy his ass.
Fight would be over as soon as Jerry Rivers realized his hair was getting mussed.
ooohhhhhh.... joe wilson is up now on the conyer's hearing. c-span three.
I had to do a little verbal bashing of a 'Nam Vet buddy of mine the other night. Seems he's bought into the BushCo meme a little too far for his own good, and displayed too much openly in front of me.
I told him "he ought to use his head for something other than a fucking beer hole, or when he starts goose stepping, it was going to be my 13DD Red Wing boot stuck in his ass causing him to do so".
I seemed to get my point across quite clearly.
I suspect that Native Americans would strongly disagree with the whole "force for good" argument.
TJ |
Yep. That is something that I think about, something that haunts me on a daily basis, the way our forefathers treated the Native Americans.
Being a force for good usually requires that you use your force for, y'know, good.
Joe Wilson up about niger yellowcake
quoting condi "maybe someone in the bowels knew..."
come on up. if you're near wilmington septa runs late.
Atrios | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:52 pm
It's Wilmington and I will give that a try and bring along the friend who was intimidated by you at Bonte.
So see even sweaty lunks can be intimidating! 
"... I would go further and offer citizenship to anyone, anywhere on the planet, willing to serve a set term in the U.S. military. We could model a Freedom Legion after the French Foreign Legion.
The idea that maybe the default state of the United States should not be permanent war never penetrates their Chobham-armored skulls, does it?
ese guero | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:52 pm | # "
That's like Rome, isn't it? will the soldiers be allowed to marry?
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you get the moral right to run around invading and regime-changing other countries when you're on balance a force for good in the world and also a superpower.
I really wanna hear Hiatt's justification when China invades Taiwan.
I'm thinking the logic won't work quite the same.
You should have spit on him, Barndog. They're used to that from dems.
Um, if you're doing bad things, then you are not "on balance" a force for good. If you think about it, it's grossly unfair to call Ted Bundy a serial killer since "on balance" he spent far more of his time not murdering women than he did murdering them. Y'know, if you break it down by hours.
One of the most profound recent quotes I've come across is this from Dave Barry: "A person who is not nice to the waiter is not a nice person." I hereby propose we enshrine that as Barry's Law, and live by its simple precept.
Right now, at this moment in time, and for the last four years, America is not nice to the waiter. You can take it from there...
Notice that he does not give a damn about the dismay of many readers--this does not cause him to question his premise at all.
TJ
He knows which readers he needs to worry about. The all have an (R) in parentheses after their names.
This is how, of course, the GOP of today thinks.
They are good and right, and rules and laws just get in the way of them doing god's work!
Campaign laws
Just get in the way of a descent Congressman an his politicing.
International Treaties/Law
When you are doing such Noble work as spreading Freedom, these things are irrelavant.
The Constitution
Yeah, right
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Might makes right??
Then: HULK IS STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!
Thus: HULK IS RIGHT! HULK SMASH!!
Sorry, substitute "CHIMPY" for "HULK"...
megisi,
Talking about your rectum earlier, and now you come and spew shit on this thread. ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
Your party is dying, a sad...
yada yada yada clinton got a blow job yada yada freedom's on the march yada bill frist did not cheat his way through harvard medical school yada yada yada something about negroes yada yada 9/11 changed everything yada the holocaust never happened yada yada liberals boiled the easter bunny yada yada yada i can't enlist because my family couldn't afford the drop in income yada yada yada hillary's a lesbian yada yada yada terri schiavo could have won the nobel prize in physics had liberals not killed her if you stand at the top of mount washington on a february evening in a bikini and squint your left eye you will be able to see the point from which we will be able to the turning point in iraq ...
OT:
USA Today wants to know: Where the Black Women At?
When police in Spartanburg, S.C., began investigating the 24-year-old woman's disappearance, her loved ones swung into action. They distributed fliers, held news conferences and set up a Web site. Huston's story became a cause célèbre in the local media. (Related story: Aruban police search home of Dutch teen)
Huston lived alone and obviously hadn't been home for days, if not a week or two. Her dog, Macy, had given birth to puppies.
Rebkah Howard, Huston's aunt and a public relations professional in Miami, tried to get the national media interested in the case. "I spent three weeks calling the cable networks, calling newspapers — even yours," Howard said this week.
Not much happened.
Last August, Fox News Channel's On the Record with Greta Van Susteren briefly noted Huston's disappearance. Fox network's America's Most Wanted did a story about the case in March (it will be repeated this Saturday). National Public Radio did a report last month that, like this story, focused on the lack of interest in Huston's case.
Now, the disappearance of Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway, 18, in Aruba is getting lots of airtime on the cable news networks and morning news shows. Those networks, which drive such stories, are being asked a tough question: Do they care only about missing white women?
Holloway, like "runaway bride" Jennifer Wilbanks, murder victims Laci Peterson and Lori Hacking, kidnap victim Elizabeth Smart and several other girls and women whose stories got significant airtime in recent years, is white.
Tamika Huston is black.
Cable news executives say they don't pick stories based on the race of the victims. "The stories that 'go national' all have a twist or an emotional aspect to them that make them interesting," said Bill Shine, senior vice president of programming at Fox News.
"When the Aruba story broke, I didn't know if she (Holloway) was white," said Mark Effron, vice president of news/daytime programming at MSNBC.
He said he saw a story about "a parent's worst nightmare."
'Victims of a certain type'
Others say race has to be at least a subconscious factor:
• "Something is at work here, at a conscious or at least subconscious level, that leads them to choose victims of a certain type" to report about, said Eugene Robinson, syndicated columnist and associate editor at The Washington Post, who recently wrote about the issue.
(snip)
Howard conceded it's unlikely her niece is alive. This year, Huston's blood was found in an acquaintance's apartment. No suspect has been charged. National attention might generate clues, however. What Huston's family is asking for, Howard said, is balance.
"If you were dropped on to this planet you'd think there's a strange thing going on, where only young white women are missing," Howard said. "That's not true."
Maybe once upon a time. But not now. Not unless you consider bombing people and setting up puppet governments an example of "good" in the world.
I don't think we've managed to balance our good/evil ledger since Vietnam, possibly before that.
Vestal Vespa
Not too mention contributing to the spread of AIDS and other STDs by pulling funding from UN reproductive health programs, or our status as the world's biggest supplier of arms, or the economic devastation forced on the third world, or...
will the soldiers be allowed to marry?
Only the Canadians.
"I for one, do not believe this country has ever been a force for good." smalfish
We know. Self loathing is impossible if you believe in nobility.
damn. i don't get c-span 3.
Commissioned by the Iran Institute for Democracy, the survey was conducted among N=758 adults age 16+ (voting age) in Iran, from May 26 through June 4, 2005. Sample design, questionnaire design, and data processing were conducted
by The Tarrance Group.
Well, a quick google of the Tarrance Group shows it is a "national republican polling firm."
Gee, what a suprise.
Completely OT and blogwhoring:
We (The Democracy Cell Project) are live blogging the Conyers hearing on the Downing Street Memo.
Joe Wilson is speaking right now. Cindy Sheehan will also be testifying, and there are a total of 11 witnesses scheduled to speak.
Also, if you want to watch the hearing yourself, here is the link to the C-SPAN3 live streaming coverage, if you don't have cable or access to a television.
Might makes right??
Then: HULK IS STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!
Thus: HULK IS RIGHT! HULK SMASH!!
Sorry, substitute "CHIMPY" for "HULK"...
Sir Foxbat | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:58 pm
The Effect of Gamma Rays on Pie-in-the-Sky Neocons....
The dumber Dubya gets, the stronger Dubya gets....
ooo...thanks, genosail.
Nancy Reagan fell in her hotel room
Into the wood chipper with her!
Your party is dying, a sad and lonely death.
megisi | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:53 pm | #
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Your link is to a press release from PR wire, a service that distributes advertisements. The Iran Institute for Democracy, which issued the linked press release is the PR arm of a mass misinformation campaign to support Bush's designs on Iran. Not that you will read this or care, but here's some background on the IID:
Establishing a Misinformation Network
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On this basis, Vice-President Dick Cheney instructed the Office of Special Plans to work on the destabilization of Iran. This body, based at the Pentagon, worked on the misleading information regarding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction [14]. It is currently focused on propaganda against Iran and Syria. Following the plan used with the Iraqi National Congress, several organizations were contacted and recruited: Ramin Parham’s Iran Institute for Democracy; Roozbeh Farahanipour’s Glorious Frontier Party (Marza Por Gohar), Manda Zand Ervin’s Iranian Women International Alliance, Aryo Pirouzni’s Students Movement for Democracy in Iran.
What a stupid fucking op-ed piece. Name me a single entity in human history that didn't see itself as a force for good. What self-serving twaddle!
In the spirit of the founding fathers, I thinks Hiatt's neither cruel nor unusual punishment should be to write "Power is Suspect" 500x on a blackboard with a nub of chalk.
Whatever happened to woowooboi?
Into the wood chipper with her!
You see the size of her head? Wouldn't fit.
megisi - I suggest you immediately enlist in gw's glorious crusade
I don't think a member of a party whose leaders won't provide body and vehicle armor for troops in combat, won't vote to provide them the healthcare they need if they're wounded, and even objects to having the names of the dead read on TV has any business criticizing us for disrespecting the troops.
Truth hurts, asshole.
damn. i don't get c-span 3.
res ipsa loquitur
can you visit online?
Sorry, substitute "CHIMPY" for "HULK"...
Don't forget, the Hulk just wanted to be left alone. He never started trouble...
Not too mention contributing to the spread of AIDS and other STDs by pulling funding from UN reproductive health programs, or our status as the world's biggest supplier of arms, or the economic devastation forced on the third world, or...
...Britney Spears.
I can't believe what historical losers the dems will turn out to be if Bush is successful. Even if not the whole region, any countries democracy in the ME, will have sprung from a 'Bush'.
Sorry, but this memo was discussed on another thread, during which you might have learned:
a. Iran already is a democracy, at least to the extent that Iraq is. Hell, probably more so than Florida is.
b. That little survey was sponsored by the GOP. Not saying that makes it noncredible, but well you all seem to be caught in a lot of lies, fabrications, and made up news stories these days. And the real news seems to be chomping your asses.
So we got the memo and shot the messenger. Bye now.
We're a force for good just like Emporer Palpatine wanted to establish peace in the galaxy.
Fuck Hiatt.
Asshat.
I remember watching HEARTS OF THE WORLD, a silent movie about a French village occupied by the Germans during WWI. The Germans are portrayed as brutal, arrogant, cruel, and immoral. At one point, the most nasty Hun tells a French teacher that "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!!!" It was made in 1918 as a propaganda film for the US and shows how far we have gone as the Huns are shown as the complete opposite to American ideals of that time.
You should have spit on him, Barndog. They're used to that from dems.
megisi
Fuck you, megisi. how the fuck would your cowardly ass know what veterans are used to?
Barndog earned the right to talk straight with his fellow vets.
Have all of our so-called 'venerable' institutions always been so rotten? Are they just more out with it now?
having read the full op-ed, its not too bad overall, imo.
... and we can expect the Max Boot Freedom Legion to serve Freedom Fries.
And Lemon Chicken.
Peeance Freeance, putas!
Big Daddy Mars--Your quote from Geraldo Rivera is the first time I've thought of him in years. I remember him plugging his autobiography a few years ago; apparently much of the book consisted of him confessing/bragging about his compulsive promiscuity. One statement he offered repeatedly (before I changed channels) was about how he was on the road a lot and knew he could get laid at any airport lounge he went to, women were so pleased to see famous him and his mustache. Too big a temptation to resist. So tell me ladies, was he lying, or do I misunderstand women?
Kid Charlemagne-
A Republican organization based in the UK, getting its report from its UK survey group?
Making assumptions without any research?
Gee, what a suprise.
C-SPAN 3 Link
http://tinyurl.com/bug25
Iran already is a democracy, at least to the extent that Iraq is. Hell, probably more so than Florida is.
Yeah, and Bush is dissing their pending elections as "undemocratic."
Snort.
As a Canadian citizen, I hereby unilaterally declare that Canada is from this point onward to be recognized as the "premiere source of global excellence" (and thereby trumping your piddling "force for good in the world") and therefore is no longer to be bound by the rules of acceptable global conduct, simply because we are so excellent.
cowardly ass
regarding megisi, cowardly ass is apt.
So tell me ladies, was he lying, or do I misunderstand women?
Hell no, the womenfolk love a huge mustache. How else do you think Bolton made it so far in life?
So tell me ladies, was he lying, or do I misunderstand women?
I'd love to meet Geraldo's moustache -- with the tip of my steel-toed boot.
Yeah, and the Hulk actually was more of "force for good" than Chimpy, too.
Saddam Hussein was no Lethal Leader, or even The Abomination...
Yeah, and Bush is dissing their pending elections as "undemocratic."
Snort.
watertiger
Well, come on. Iran doesn't even have nine Supreme Court Justices to decide the outcome!
I actually talked to some friends about enlisting - however, after I read them some of my recent blog posts, to a man they all urged me to stay right here and continue pressing the fight against Islamofascism on the home front. The truth is there are many effective ways to participate in the War on Terror that don't necessarily involve joining the military.
What are we going to do tonight, Brain?
Hey ... Did that fat fuck Tex Sensenbrenner let Conyers have the hearing in the capitol? Or did he make them do it at the DNC?
That settles it, "megisi" is parody.
Draco -- as I recall, it wasn't him that was popular so much as the moustache. Remember its supporting role on the face of Voldar in Santa Claus Conquers the Martians?
The 'stache also spent several summers commuting between Sergio Aragones and Salvador Dali, before finally settling on Robert Duvall for The Seven Percent Solution.
I'd love to meet Geraldo's moustache -- with the tip of my steel-toed boot.
Somehow I imagine it being very pointy--
The wingnuts are jamming Conyer's hearing on C-Span3.
megisi - I hate to tell you, but you're not doing worth a damn for the war effort here. what are you a parody act?
Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Hey megasissy,
Is UMich sponsoring email for the troops in Iraq? If not, write back when you get your .mil address. Buh-bye.
Real American Durbin now getting slammed by the junta...
White House Castigates Durbin for Remarks
(AP) Published: June 16, 2005
Filed at 2:43 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House said a senator's comparison of American interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot was reprehensible and a disservice to those serving in the military.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said it is ''beyond belief'' that Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin would compare treatment of dangerous enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay to the death of millions of innocent people by oppressive regimes...
I actually talked to some friends about enlisting - however, after I read them some of my recent blog posts, to a man they all urged me to stay right here and continue pressing the fight against Islamofascism on the home front.
This has GOT to be a parody troll, right?
What's your major?
*snort*
Same thing we do every night, Lerxst. Wash down Mongolian BBQ with ginger ale and find a Christina Ricci lookalike.
... wait, that's Tuesday.
TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
I'd love to meet Geraldo's moustache
Into the wood chipper!
Barndog earned the right to talk straight with his fellow vets.
The right to talk straight to anyone is not "earned." That right exists for all.
The right to be listened to and taken seriously, now that's a different story.
Either that, or they really do read from the same script.
I'm getting really tired of how current 40-year-old topical song lyrics are:
For might makes right, and 'til they've seen the light,
They've got to be protected,
All their rights respected,
'Til somebody we like can be elected...
Tom Lehrer, 1967 or so.
So tell me ladies, was he lying, or do I misunderstand women?
Draco, he was probably telling his version of the truth, because dumb-ass Americans are enamoured with fame. I'm sure he could pick up at least one bimbo at any airport lounge in the country.
However, Geraldo R. does nothing, and I mean nothing, for me.
I actually talked to some friends about enlisting - however, after I read them some of my recent blog posts, to a man they all urged me to stay right here and continue pressing the fight against Islamofascism on the home front. The truth is there are many effective ways to participate in the War on Terror that don't necessarily involve joining the military.
megisi | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:08 pm
Yeah, badmouthing that Apu-lookalike in the Speedway supports the hell out of the troops.
So I stop by the TPM Cafe to see how they're doing, and front and center of page 1 is this bit of tripe from Rick Heller, Executive Director of the Centrist Coalition:
While centrists and liberals struggle over the direction of the Democratic Party, in the long run we will have to work together, because any future Democratic president, even a centrist, will have liberals in his/her cabinet. So slamming the liberal brand will just cause problems if and when Democrats ever regain power.
But centrists must be able to critique the left, because we have the right to express our views.
What I will try to do in the future is to critique "ultraliberals" and the "radical left" while leaving the liberal brand alone. I don't think that criticism of ultraconservatives and the radical right has hurt mainstream conservatives. By critiquing "ultraliberals," centrists imply that garden-variety liberals are reasonable coalition partners, without endorsing everything they stand for.
So who is on the radical left? Who is an ultraliberal?
The radical left are people who do not support the Democratic Party, though Democrats are sometimes harmed by being associated with them. People who opposed the war in Afghanistan or who label themselves socialist are generally on the radical left.
Ultraliberals are the Michael Moore's and rights-based activists, such as those trying to remove the words "under God" from the pledge, who seem to glory in taking unpopular positions that make them the objects of scorn by the majority of Americans. Many such people support the Democratic Party, but their support is sometimes counterproductive.
Liberals are those who are a little softer on national security and perhaps not as budget conscious as we'd like, but they're good people who we have to work with now and in the future.
I didn't bother to register to post a reply, because at the moment the most constructive thing I can think of to say is "Bite my shiny metal liberal ass!"
Well, I wish I had time to stay and chat with you fine folks, but I don't.
Bummer.
Oh, and meglisi, you fucktard.
Blow me. My fondest wish is that you actually get to go fight for your glorious leader. I'm sure there's a camel spider out there with your name on it.
Too big a temptation to resist. So tell me ladies, was he lying, or do I misunderstand women?
Draco
I for one would have no trouble resisting him - and I imagine that's true of all the females on this blog. He's a loudmouthed, self absorbed ass (and I have a friend who knows him, so I know wherof I speak).
megisi ...
You're enlisting as soon as you graduate, right?
They're taking Durbin's comments out of context. I knew they would.
I wonder which nation's dominant media outlet sees its home country as "on balance, a force for evil in the world".
Anybody?
The truth is there are many effective ways to participate in the War on Terror that don't necessarily involve joining the military.
shorter megisi:
B'BAAWWWWWKK! Chicky no go to Iraq! Chicky must stay here and bravely blog! Blog will defeat Islamofascists!
however, after I read them some of my recent blog posts, to a man they all urged me to stay right here and continue pressing the fight against Islamofascism on the home front.
Ah yes.
Don't look now, there's an islamofascist peering in your window!!
Quick! get out your keyboard!
Moron.
Durbin not backing off -
"This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin said in a statement Wednesday evening.
A force for good. Hmmmm.
Committing genocide against untold millions of Native Americans. Bad.
Creating a constitutional democratic republic based on Enlightenment principles. Good.
Enslaving millions of people on the basis of alleged racial inferiority. Bad.
Fighting a civil war to free said slaves. Good.
Reneging on our treaties with survivors of Native American genocide. Bad.
Colonizing Phillipines. Bad.
Defeating Fascism. Good.
Sponsoring murderous dictators and fighting indigenous attempts at democracy in Latin America, the Middle East, and Asia. Bad.
Defeating totalitarian Communists who fought indigenous attempts at democracy in Eastern Europe. Good.
I'd say, on balance, we have a mixed record. Not so horrible as the Soviet Union, Germany, the British Empire, or China during the cultural revolution, but then I'm not a Native American or I might not agree.
No worse than any other group of people given significant power and opportunity to use it. And occasionally we really do something great and inspirational. The Bill of Rights. Separation of Church and State. Freeing the Slaves. WWII. Landing on the moon. The Internet.
We're just not any better, you know?
So is this Hiatt piece the one Michael Smith referred to as "silly" in his online chat today?
I'd love to meet Geraldo's moustache
I understand that they can't allow John Bolton and Geraldo Rivera in the same room because they would exceed the critical moustache threshold with catastrophic consequences....
the conyers hearing is getting good...
the former cia analyst is pointing out how can it be that both Rice and Powell could say that Iraq was contained but then just months later argue that they were an imminent threat.
Might does make right.
The winners write the history books.
So buck up, it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wasn't Geraldo married to Vonnegut's daughter for a while? I seem to remember Vonnegut referring to him as a lesser kind of asshole.
therefore is no longer to be bound by the rules of acceptable global conduct, simply because we are so excellent.
BeingThere
Yeah, but Canada is boring, so you don't count.
Did Tex Sensenbrenner let them have the hearing in the capitol -- or not?
They're taking Durbin's comments out of context. I knew they would.
Vicki
Vicki, its much worse than that... by attacking Durbin, the WH junta is explicitly approving of the actions of the gitmo personnel as described by the fbi agent.
at minimum, they approve of cruel and unusual behavior, if not outright torture.
filkertom,
mmmm...mongolian BBQ, ginger ale, and a Christina Ricci lookalike...
with a night like that, to hell with taking over the world...
These trolls need to get more creative in how they justify their cowardice. I'm getting bored with their lame excuses of why they're not man enough to die for what they believe in.
"This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin said in a statement Wednesday evening.
Geez, who FedExed the chairs to Durbin.
Hopefully, he can teach the junior senator from Illinois chair-fu soon.
res ipsa loquitur,
it doesn't appear that they are in a committee room, but I am not for sure where they are.
Lerxst -- pretty much, mi amigo. Back to cleaning -- later, friends.
The truth is there are many effective ways to participate in the War on Terror that don't necessarily involve joining the military.
Like inspecting case upon case of Cheetos to make sure the fiendish Islamofacists haven't tried to poison our vital national supply of snackfoods.
Hail to thee, fat person! You kept us out of war!
The troll is awfully quite. The bus to the recruiting center must have arrived.
Or "Sailor Moon" just came on.
RIL:
Yeah, but the group liveblogging it says it's a tiny little room.
My question to women about Geraldo's appeal was a bit rhetorical. I agree with Vicki--the Lotharios I've known all have a sharp eye for needy women, and zero in on them, then praise themselves for their irresistability.
By the way, when I used to post at AOL chatrooms, there was a guy with the handle "Lothario Speedwagon." I also liked "Jar Jar Gabor" from those days.
I understand that they can't allow John Bolton and Geraldo Rivera in the same room because they would exceed the critical moustache threshold with catastrophic consequences....
It's actually more complicated than that. Every repug has a positive and negative pole located somewhere on his or her body (that is why you see so many kissing butt). Geraldo and John once were placed in the same room, and their mustaches had to be pried apart (as did their genitals).
"quite" = quiet
The Conyers' hearing is on CSPAN-3? When will it be on CSPAN-1?
how can it be that both Rice and Powell could say that Iraq was contained but then just months later argue that they were an imminent threat.
They obtained fresh credible evidence of Saddam's WMD and nefarious intentions that... that.... we seem... to have.... misplaced somewhere... we had that evidence... really, it was right here... really... don't you remember?
Yeah, badmouthing that Apu-lookalike in the Speedway supports the hell out of the troops.
filkertom | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:12 pm | #
That is some seriously funny shit.
Sad part is, people actually believe it.
"these are not white house fraternioty jokes... these are death-dealing, consequential lies."
this guy placed the beat down on the wmd jokes by bush and the assholes who laughed with him.
The United States is a force for good in the world insofar as we adhere to the ideals enunciated in the Declaration and Constitution. To the extent we fail to live up to those ideals, we make a mockery of them. I don't get to talk to a lot of people from other countries, but the ones I do talk to seem more enamored of our economic status than anything. They see us as a place of economic opportunity, but not necessarily as a force for morality.
I understand that they can't allow John Bolton and Geraldo Rivera in the same room because they would exceed the critical moustache threshold with catastrophic consequences....
Imagine adding Bernard "Bada Bing" Kerik to that group!
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
McGovern just blasted the press about bush's fucking jokes about searching for the wmd. "cindy isn't laughing, the people who died aren't laughing."
McGovern just blasted the press about bush's fucking jokes about searching for the wmd. "cindy isn't laughing, the people who died aren't laughing."
Excellent.
Pop the popcorn. It's gonna be a long, hot summer for Junior.
The right to talk straight to anyone is not "earned." That right exists for all.
The right to be listened to and taken seriously, now that's a different story.
Roddy McCorley
Thanks, Roddy. You are of course correct. I shouldn't let the troll get to me. My stepdad was drafted and sent to Vietnam, and it pisses me off to no end when repukes like megisi try to use them for their own purposes, when most of the Vietnam vets I know hate the motherfuckin' GOP.
Fuckin' A, John, lookit Dick Durbin. Bitches best recognize.
I heart Durbin. Durbin/Feingold '08!
If they can bridge they Wisconsin-Illinois border war, there's nothing they can't do!
A.
"slumbering watchdog committees in the Congress, and a supine press" - Ray McGovern at the DSM hearing, on the necessary donditions for The Big Lie.
And he chides the press before him at the hearing for laughing it up with President AWOL when he did his WMD comedy at the press dinner.
"Every repug has a positive and negative pole located somewhere on his or her body (that is why you see so many kissing butt). Geraldo and John once were placed in the same room, and their mustaches had to be pried apart (as did their genitals).
spinoza | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:21 pm | # "
Which one has the reversed polarity?
Superpowers are a myth. Interdependence is the reality.
McGovern just blasted the press about bush's fucking jokes about searching for the wmd. "cindy isn't laughing, the people who died aren't laughing."
McGovern? McGovern who?
Whoever just talked at the Conyers hearing is hitting Chimpy and Dick with every piece of furniture in the room. Cheney "fabricated out of whole cloth a nuclear threat"...referred to Chimpy's cute "looking for WMD" comedy routine, said Cindy Sheehan & thousands of other mothers & families aren't laughing
Thank you sir
The jumping started shortly after the first jet hit at 8:46 a.m. People jumped continuously during the 102 minutes that the north tower stood. Two people jumped as the north tower began to fall at 10:28 a.m., witnesses said.
For those who jumped, the fall lasted 10 seconds. They struck the ground at just less than 150 miles per hour — not fast enough to cause unconsciousness while falling, but fast enough to ensure instant death on impact. People jumped from all four sides of the north tower. They jumped alone, in pairs and in groups.
THAT is torture Mr. Durbin. Now apologize to America and resign.
Let's send Geraldo to open Saddam secret vault! That's where the WMD's are!
Bitches best recognize.
Yup. Conyers, Durbin, Dean, Amnesty International.
All get turkee when I cover my bills.
for what it's worth, there is a namestealer among us-- "megisi" burns up what little imaginiation it has in its posts.
Are you guys listening to the memo hearings?
Impeachable offenses.
Holy living fuck, the chairs are FLYING around the room today.
A.
Both Geraldo and Bolton have "That Moustache Feeling"! Someone contact R.A.G.E.!!
SPOOOON!!!!!
. must be on it's period
The jumping started shortly after the first jet hit at 8:46 a.m. People jumped continuously during the 102 minutes that the north tower stood. Two people jumped as the north tower began to fall at 10:28 a.m., witnesses said.
For those who jumped, the fall lasted 10 seconds. They struck the ground at just less than 150 miles per hour — not fast enough to cause unconsciousness while falling, but fast enough to ensure instant death on impact. People jumped from all four sides of the north tower. They jumped alone, in pairs and in groups.
THAT is torture Mr. Durbin. Now apologize to America and resign.
. | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:26 pm | #
And the Bush Administration must want to create even more anti-American terrorists, otherwise, why would they be torturing people?
And since a troupe of Saudis destroyed the WTC, let's invade Iraq and kill 100,000 innocent people, and torture hundreds if not thousands more men and boys whose affiliations and actions we have no idea of and no plans to find out.
WTF?
McGovern? McGovern who?
res ipsa loquitu
former cia analyst ray(?) mcgovern
I think it's absolutely shocking the Arabs behead and smack women to death all the time, right there on the street.
I wonder if there will be a brush clearing emergency in Crawford? I hope Bushie feels like it's a good time to lie low . . . John Bonifaz outlining the case for impeachment, which I think I'm going to set to music later this afternoon . . .
And the Bush Administration must want to create even more anti-American terrorists, otherwise, why would they be torturing people?
lunascorp
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Because of course there were no terrorists before Gitmo....oh wait. Jesus, how stupid are you. To even parrot the line of thinking you just invoked makes you a borderline retard. Please, just shut up and go back to flipping burgers.
Shit! Blew my Tom Cruise cover AGAIN!
THAT is torture Mr. Durbin. Now apologize to America and resign.
. | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:26 pm | #
20,000+ dead Iraqi citizens slaughtered in an unnecessary war would like a fucking word with you.
I've just shipped several of these to Conyers for use in upcoming discussions.
John Bonifaz has some dynamite quotes he's giving at the DSM hearing, Founding Fathers, etc. I dig the one by the guy from North Carolina's convention to approve the Constitution, about a President's impeachability for misleading the Senate by withholding intelligence.
Bonifaz founded www.afterdowningstreet.org
They're taking Durbin's comments out of context. I knew they would.
Vicki
Vicki, its much worse than that... by attacking Durbin, the WH junta is explicitly approving of the actions of the gitmo personnel as described by the fbi agent.
at minimum, they approve of cruel and unusual behavior, if not outright torture.
The Innocents Abroad
Note that this is the same party that endorses lynching.
Clean sheets on Conyers, folks.
their jamming it
Durbin is the man.
No wait, its Conyers.
i can't decide!
RIL:
Yeah, but the group liveblogging it says it's a tiny little room.
As long as it's in the capitol. I'm not going to stand for that Fat TEX Sensenbrenner's bullshit.
A Republican organization based in the UK, getting its report from its UK survey group?
The Tarrance Group
201 North Union Street, Suite 410
Alexandria, VA 22314
Phone: 1 (703) 684-6688
Fax: 1 (703) 836-8256
tarrance@tarrance.com
When did they move Alexandria to the UK?? Idiot.
referred to Chimpy's cute "looking for WMD" comedy routine,
Biggest disgrace of Kerry's campaign was that they didn't make this "comedy" routine the centerpiece of their attack ads. Bush absolutely giftwrapped a golden issue for them, one that would have scored huge points, and they were like "meh." Idiots, the lot of them. I hope nobody affiliated with that campaign is within 100 miles of the 2008 candidate.
hey swifferboat:
Don't try to hard to look at American history as an adult--that is the trap that has caught the noblest spirits, that, they say, caught Jesus, when he walked on earth.
Note that this is the same party that endorses lynching.
Yanagi Bocho
duly noted.
I have seen with my own eyes Arab men beating women on the street. He ran back and smacked her to the ground. His fourth wife following behind him like a row of ducks.
THAT is torture Mr. Durbin. Now apologize to America and resign.
Ah, so the standard now is that anything short of tossing people off a flaming 110-story building is acceptable.
Bottom line: there are innocent people in Guantanamo, and they have no recourse. That needs to change.
THAT is torture Mr. Durbin. Now apologize to America and resign.
.
OK - so we conform to the Geneva Conventions until foreigners kill our citizens - then all bets are off?
Iraqi insurgents approve of your logic.
The only burger-flipping experience comes from the troll. Things must be slow at the Grab It and Growl.
Dave J, I appreciate the Allan Sherman reference, even if no one else does.
The fall of the Washington Post editorial page -- and, lately, the NY Times news pages -- are as much a part of the horror of recent history as Florida 2000.
the c-span 3 link keeps bombing out on me.
Dennis L. Rader, 60, of Park City, was charged March 1 in 10 killings dating to 1974. He is suspected of being Wichita's BTK serial killer, and was arrested Feb. 25.
The Wingnut Defense: But your honor, my client loves his parents, is a white family man and has always been gainfully employed; he has been very active in his Christian church, he has been active in scouting, and he has always actively supported law enforcement. My client owns and proudly displays an American flag, is for the war with France and is an avid Fox News viewer. On Balance, he has been a force for good in the Whichita community.
Additionally, what has happened in the past should stay in the past - we should be positive and forward looking. The court should not be activist nor should it obstruct my client's future. And besides, we can prove that some of those 10 killed were liberals and/or commies and/or terrorists and/or EVEN registered Democrats.
We rest our case.
THAT is torture Mr. Durbin. Now apologize to America and resign.
.
Apologize for quoting an FBI agent who was an eyewitness in Gitmo?
Are we in America or in Nazi Germany?
Let me guess, you think Newsweek is to blame for us losing the war on terrorism too.
You don't deserve to be an American Mr. .
the c-span 3 link keeps bombing out on me.
res ipsa loquitur- Me too. It's probably serving a great number of connexions.
Ummm...I must have missed the part where the Gitmo detainees were tried and convicted of attacking the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. I must have missed the evidence presented proving that the detainees currently in Gitmo were involved in planning and carrying out the hijackings and attacks. Oh, I forgot, we don't need no stinkin' evidence to lock people up, even an American citizen like Jose Padilla. Durbin resign? Hell, they ought to pin a Medal of Freedom on him. Unlike Lying Bastard and his mendacious minions, Senator Durbin seems to have some understanding of the principles upon which this country was founded, principles we at one time tried to promulgate around the world.
Ray McGovern was among the first of the CIA analysts to be purged by the Bushies for political incorrectness. The neocons politicize everything, to the puzzlement of old-fashioned type who take non-partisan gov't service seriously.
I remember reading diplomat George Ball's autobiography about how he was assigned to the Soviet Union from the late '30s to the late '40s. During that period he was criticized first by leftists (documenting Stalin's brutality), then by isolationists (urging US intervention in WW II), then by righties (not anti-commie enough at the start of the Cold War).
All the time he thought he was just fulfilling his brief as a State Dep't professional, never quite understanding the fuss he caused. Joe Wilson seems in the Ball tradition, and the Busheviks hate him for it.
A friend asked, "What do welfare recipients do all day?"
I pointed them to this blog.
It says volumes about Bush's lack of judgement and values that he participated in that little "comedy" routine. But what do you expect from a mean fratboy who's been pickled for most of his adult life.
And occasionally we really do something great and inspirational. The Bill of Rights. Separation of Church and State. Freeing the Slaves.
For purposes of historical accuracy, that should read "Freeing Our Slaves". The country that brought the international slave trade to an end was Great Britain.
A friend asked
And the comment is marked as a lie from the very start!
America is interested only in freedom to open markets, not the freedom of any actual people. You think the people who toil for peanuts a day for American corporations in Indonesia think of us as some force for good?
Just give us 'Mercuns our cheap red, white and blue slave-sewn clothes from Old Navy and we'll have one hell of a 4th celebrating freedom.
http://www.washtimes.com/nationa...21812-
1347r.htm
Looks like the ship is leaving the rats...Good thing Dean is a uniter and not a divider.
sekmet...cocaine and Wild Turkey will do that.
But ... doesn't might make right in this topsy-turvy world?
Here's Bill Blum on what he would do if he were President (from the 2002 foreword to his book 'Rogue State'):
"If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologise to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and impoverished, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce, in all sincerity, to every corner of the world, that America's global interventions have come to an end, and inform Israel that is is no longer the 51st state of the USA but henceforth-oddly enough-a foreign country. I would then reduce te military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims. There would be more than enough money. One year's military budget (NB: this was written in January 2002) of $330 billion is equal to more than $18,000 an hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born.
That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated."
http://www.washtimes.com/nationa...21812- 1347r.htm
Washtimes!
And the comment is marked as unreliable from the very start!
My diapers need changing. Whiiinnnne.
The Washington Times? Would that be the same Washington Times whose owner has declared himself to be Jesus?
20,000+ dead Iraqi citizens slaughtered in an unnecessary war would like a fucking word with you.
John | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:31 pm | #
300,000 killed by Hussein (since 91) would like to have a word with you, John.
300,000 killed by Hussein (since 91) would like to have a word with you, John.
Thank God they have the "new" Iraqi government!!
Now with 30% less torture!!
Bottom line: there are innocent people in Guantanamo, and they have no recourse. That needs to change.
Sinclair First | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:34 pm | #
Change is a nice word, plan is another good one. What's your's?
Kid Charlene-
Free Saddam!- he was a 'victim'?
Change is a nice word, plan is another good one. What's your's?
megisi
Two words: "Due process." (Pretty straightforward, no?)
Oh, wait, one more: "yours" (not your's).
Really too late for a plan. Lying Bastard done fucked up big time when he got Gitmo up and going without a plan as to what would happen to the detainees. Now the detainees have been sitting there for years.
Alcoholism does tend to infantilize people. Bush with his peanut butter sammiches, his lack of impulse control, his inability to take responsibility for any personal mistakes, his childish bravado, and his amazing ability to say the wrong thing at the wrong time really show that he has never grown up and never will.
Free Saddam!- he was a 'victim'?
No, dipshit. Saddam is a war criminal.
But, the Iraqis have suffered enough and they deserved better than the half-baked, war-profiteering clusterfuck that Boy George gave them.
Due Process is an American right.
If you would like to offer the protection of the US constitution to terrorists, then let them post bond. A lot of them haven't done anything, yet...
Why not appoint Durbin as the warden of Guantanamo? He can pick and chose based on his intellect. We can even put it in his state, and give him an office. He guesses wrong, what is another three thousand dead? It is not like the guys we have let go have gone on to attack our soldiers...and I know you dems love the troops.
war-profiteering?
Watching the Avaitor for your material?
God help us...
Kid...yup. Lying Bastard invaded Iraq, blew up the country, toppled the government, and now is trying hand the Iraqis their broken country back. Lying Bastard and his coconspirators didn't anticipate the insurgency, and really had no coherent plans to restore the Iraqi infrastructure and economy. That's why, two years after the mission was accomplished, there's electricity only six to eight hours a day in many places. Lying Bastard is living proof that arrogance and ignorance are an explosive combination.
sekmet-
"his lack of impulse control..."
you would try and bring up Clinton.
'tam1MI': 'The country that brought the international slave trade to an end was Great Britain.' Listened to an interview with Adam Hochschild last night: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/arts/bo...es/
s1386692.htm
A lot of them haven't done anything, yet...
That you admit that, and yet continue to argue against their release, reveals just how morally bankrupt you truly are.
No point in arguing with you.
Due Process is an American right.
Wrong again dipshit. There are Due process rights under the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949, dealing with prisoners of war and civilians respectively.
Now, just STFU.
the defendant has the right
(items in italics do not apply in internal conflicts):
to be told—early on and in a language he understands—what he is
accused of;
to be presumed innocent until proven guilty;
to be tried without undue delay;
to be heard before an impartial decision maker;
to be tried in a “regularly constituted court” (if the accused is a POW, it may be a military court);
to prepare and present a defense;
to present witnesses;
not to be required to testify against himself or to confess guilt;
to be tried in his presence;
to be convicted only of a crime that he himself committed;
not to be punished more than once for the same act;
to be convicted only for what was a crime at the time of the act in question; to have a sentence no more severe than the law allowed at the time of the act in question;
to be told of his rights of appeal and what time limits there are;
to appeal and ask for pardon or reprieve;
to have any death sentence stayed until six months after notification of the Protecting Power.
megisi...we don't offer the protection of the U. S. Constitution to American citizens. Just ask Jose Padilla.
"Lying Bastard invaded Iraq, blew up the country..."
Have you ever seen the Wes Clark plan? Bomb them for six weeks and level their cities.
He believed civilian bombing was a good thing in Kosovo, it would have worked better in Iraq.
How about the classic Firebombing of Dresden in WWII? Yeah, that FDR knew how to fight a war.
Do get off your Clinton obsession. It's boring. And Clinton didn't blunder us into a bloody mess in Iraq. He's more of an adult than Bush ever will be.
Kid...aw, facts are so annoying. I guess the troll isn't buying the maladministration's bullshit about wanting to spread freedom and democracy.
But centrists must be able to critique the left, because we have the right to express our views.
First time I read that, I thought 'Hey, he's expressing the right's views pretty well.
Just ask Jose Padilla.
Found a new Leonard Peltier?
I haven't heard anyone proclaiming his innocence. He was caught, red handed.
I feel less regrets about his custody than the possibly innocent in Gitmo. Go ahead and make him the poster child of victimization.
He conspired with the enemy.
IS Gitmo worse than internment camps of WWII? That would make FDR less of a man than Bush.
Dumbass, it isn't that Padilla is innocent or guilty. It's that he was denied his basic Constitutional rights as an American citizen.
They captured Padilla in 2002. If he is so fucking guilty, why haven't they charged and tried him dipshit?
THAT is torture Mr. Durbin. Now apologize to America and resign.
. | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:26 pm | #
300,000 killed by Hussein (since 91) would like to have a word with you, John.
What was it my mom always said about "two wrongs?"
GWPDA,
I like your taste. Lightweight, but the weave adds that extra lash of pain to the blow. Kinda like the airholes on Dumbya's fraternity paddle.
Throw the chairs!
His basic constitutional rights to post bond...he hasn't done anything, yet...
If he did go on to kill someone, I'm sure the dead's family would understand. I'm sure the dems wouldn't jump at the chance to make a campaign add...because you are the party of honesty, truth, the american way...
You really don't have a plan...try this one-victory.
We have fresh cat-approved sheets.
Durbin not backing off -
"This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin said in a statement Wednesday evening.
He laid that trap for them quite expertly.
And they jumped right in...
Hey, Dipshit,
Have you ever heard of the crime of "conspiracy"?
Mobsters go to prison for that all the time.
If he was conspiring to commit a crime, put him on trial and convict him. Give him his day in court.
But, I guess you prefer that they just lock him up forever without any due process. Rorshach was right, you are as morally bankrupt as the rest of your wingnut ilk.
What was it my mom always said about "two wrongs?"
Vestal Vespa | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 4:18 pm | #
If some one killed you mom, got out and killed your father-the man shouldn't be stopped from ever doing it again?
OR maybe since he just wanted to kill your parents, and was successful, he no longer has the desire to kill anyone, so we should just let him go...unless of course you want 'vengance'? Some might even cal it justice.
Just ask Jose Padilla...He conspired with the enemy.
Did he? Do you have evidence of this? I certainly don't. The government has not presented any. We only have the word of John Ashcroft that he conspired with the enemy, just as we only have the word of John Ashcroft that calico cats are satanic.
Now, I'm an open-minded man. Maybe that evidence exists. If it does, it needs to be presented in a court of law.
Since no such evidence has been presented in a court of law or anywhere else, I can only conclude that none exists that meets the standard of the law. Therefore, all we have against Padilla is defamation and slander.
Now tell me how much I hate America for insisting its laws be followed -- that no man is above them or below them.
G'ahead. I'll be around all day...
If some one killed you mom, got out and killed your father-the man shouldn't be stopped from ever doing it again?
False comparison.
If someone killed my mom, yes, they should be stopped. But if that guy who killed my mom was now running free and we instead killed a guy that kinda looked like him and was from the same part of the world but was a bad guy 10 years ago to different people, that's just stupid.
It always amazes me how war affects politics and vise versa. For those people of faith, Does it really matter if we can rationally justify what we see around us?
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