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Boks get Super action

Wednesday 13 September 2006

The top Springboks will play in next year’s Vodacom Super 14.

The South African Rugby Union has decided not to follow the example of their New Zealand counterparts, who this week withdrew 22 All Blacks from the first seven rounds of the competition.

This angered Newscorp, who has demanded compensation from the NZRU. The broadcaster has a clause in the contract that says the best players must take part.

Saru president Regan Hoskins said he had taken note of the tension between Newscorp and the NZRU.

“I spoke to Andy Marinos [manager of national teams] and it seems we have reached a decision,” Hoskins told Beeld. “We have taken a sensible decision. We will grant the players rest, but it will not negatively influence the Super 14.

“We certainly can’t follow New Zealand by withdrawing 22 players from the competition. It could still lead to great ill-feeling. I think Jake White and the franchises have taken a well-considered decision.”

The presence of the top Boks will greatly increase South Africa’s chance of winning the Super 14 for the first time.

Posted by Simon @ 7:32 AM


124 Comments »

  1. NZ have PRIORITISED. WE know that the value of the S14 in world cup year is just not up there.

    It’s the BIG ONE WE’RE AFTER. We realise we may choke again but at least we’re giving it our best shot!! :-)

    Comment by Delek : September 13, 2006 @ 7:35 am

  2. Good call.

    Delek, I said on the original threat, NZ must be very carefull not to kill the goose…

    Comment by Koos : September 13, 2006 @ 7:47 am

  3. Will this be our only chance of ever winning the Super 14? ;)

    Comment by JustAnotherFan : September 13, 2006 @ 7:53 am

  4. How stupid can we be,
    S14 training starts after new year, WC is in sept07 , rest now wont help after 9 months of serious battle. What we need is a 2nd squadd like NZ by middle July and use our 2 squads wisely and hope for the best.
    It will still be a roll of the dice. Every big country is trying to do the same thing

    Comment by superBul : September 13, 2006 @ 7:54 am

  5. Resting the contracted Boks in next year’s S14 wouldn’t help the Boks in any way. They need to rest the coach to begin with.
    The Boks had a decent break between the away and home leg of the 3N, and their first match back @ home they get wallopped 45-26 by a NZ team that had had a very short week plus travel etc.
    On the issue of whether SA sides will benefit from the absence of just 22 of NZ’s players, the truth is that they have the right structures from top to bottom to compensate for the loss of those players. It will give the up-and-coming Carters and McCaws a chance to shine. Don’t forget that the likes of Robbie Deans will still be head coach of the Crusaders.

    Comment by viewer : September 13, 2006 @ 7:55 am

  6. superBul,
    It’s super Stupid of them. Rest them next season not now.

    Comment by viewer : September 13, 2006 @ 7:58 am

  7. I’d love to see the Springboks in the Super14 next year. It’s still a top competition and I think some of our younger players need the experience before going to the world cup.

    Comment by Boerewors1 : September 13, 2006 @ 8:03 am

  8. The current break is to get them ready for the EOYT, not the WC.

    Comment by Koos : September 13, 2006 @ 8:05 am

  9. Superbul
    i

    Comment by Amateur : September 13, 2006 @ 8:09 am

  10. Superbul
    I disagree with you. You say we should be like NZ. Thats a contradiction as they are taking 22 players out of the s14.The players being rested now are for the eoyt, although I do not agree with who has been rested.JW obviously wants our guys to play in the s14 and from there he will choose the wc squad. This means we are not putting players in cotton wool like the Kiwis which is always dangerous and it also tells other players that they are not in the mix. I think we have got it right as far as next year is concerned and the Kiwis have got it wrong.

    Comment by Amateur : September 13, 2006 @ 8:13 am

  11. I say play them during part of the S14 (say, the home leg of their particular province’s season) and rest them during part of the S14 (say, when the rest of the tem goes on tour).
    As i see it, we lose most of our away games anyway!

    If we do it this way, we get to see our best players in action, and they stay match fit - and not all of them are reste at once.

    The nice thing of this would be that the stadiums are still full for the home games.

    Comment by Kerneels : September 13, 2006 @ 8:32 am

  12. I don’t think it makes any sense to copy the Kiwis. The ability to take a group of players out of the S14 comes at the end of a well structured coaching and management strategy. We could probably only identify 10 or so players at this stage that we are sure will be in the WC group of next year. E.g. which fullback do you pull out of S14? You might end up with guys like Aplon or Fortuin playing even better next year making a big call to be selected but then having had no rest all season and the coach will feel pressurised to stick with the bloke he had rested all season with no way of comparing him to the current form of other contenders.

    Comment by desaib : September 13, 2006 @ 8:35 am

  13. Black Ferns just trounced France and are through to the finals….a sign of things to come per chance!!, they may just end up sending the girls to belt everyone and keep the blokes on the bench in case they run into trouble.

    Comment by captain fantail : September 13, 2006 @ 8:43 am

  14. agree with 10 and 12, this is a can of worms NZ has opened up for themselves

    Comment by Don : September 13, 2006 @ 8:46 am

  15. SA team to win the S14 and Boks to win WC.

    Comment by Boots : September 13, 2006 @ 8:57 am

  16. 15- and boots to give me some of that fine shit he’s smoking

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 13, 2006 @ 8:59 am

  17. 16- Just trying to keep it real!

    Comment by Boots : September 13, 2006 @ 9:03 am

  18. Good for south africa. Let the guys play and stay in shape.

    Comment by Andre_WP : September 13, 2006 @ 9:06 am

  19. its the 13th today!! aint that unlucky? why is i3 unlucky?

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 13, 2006 @ 9:07 am

  20. is there going to be Tri Nations next year??

    Comment by Bokpiel : September 13, 2006 @ 9:12 am

  21. south africa still wont win the super 14 we arnt good enough politics and sort ruin the sprt besides even if we do it would be beating a thier b sides no glory in that

    Comment by klippies : September 13, 2006 @ 9:13 am

  22. IS THERE GOING TO BE 3NATIONS NEXT YEAR?????

    Comment by Bokpiel : September 13, 2006 @ 9:17 am

  23. Bokpiel - yes there will be a tri-nations but they will drop back to 2 matches against each other - ir the original format.

    Comment by Ig : September 13, 2006 @ 9:19 am

  24. seroius Ig? You sure?

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 13, 2006 @ 9:24 am

  25. Yup - Supa - thats the last missive i heard about.

    Comment by Ig : September 13, 2006 @ 9:25 am

  26. Cooorek, same way I have it Ig.

    Comment by Koos : September 13, 2006 @ 9:26 am

  27. What keeps you rugby fit? .. playing rugby off course.

    Comment by Paws : September 13, 2006 @ 9:31 am

  28. i think our planning/ communication are defective again.
    if we look at the nz situation, their s14 coaches at this stage already knew beforehand who will be available to them NEXT year. we, on the other hand, only got clarity yesterday on THIS years tournament.

    i dont believe that the ab’s who are rested will not have enough rugby. they will have at least 6 games in the s14 and even more if their respective teams make the play-offs. add incoming tests (normally 1 or 2), 3n tests (4) and you find that players like mccaw etc. will have played about 12 games before the start of the wc.

    Comment by asha1 : September 13, 2006 @ 9:37 am

  29. Cheers Ig..

    Comment by Bokpiel : September 13, 2006 @ 9:39 am

  30. Wise decision.

    Super 14 runs over Feb, March and April. World Cup is in Sep. Therefore select World Cup squad from Super 14 performances and then sensibly rest key players in run up to World Cup. World Cup players will not play Currie Cup and only limited tests in run up to World Cup. In this manner players will be fresh and combinations can be tested.

    Comment by saffa_guy : September 13, 2006 @ 10:06 am

  31. couple of things:-
    For those people having a go at JW and SARU with regard to the players that have been pulled from the CC you need to realise that they can only do it to the players that have a contract with SARU - the others (probably majority of team that played last week) are contracted to their provinces and have no obligations to SARU. Hence SARU and Jake White can’t dictate anything to them.

    With respect to the S14 next year it is absolutely the right thing to do to let them all play. BUT what JW and SARu must do is start talking to the provinces NOW about how individual players are going to be managed and how much game time they will get. If JW goes to every province with a “lets work together” attitude he may find he will get quite far. Rassie Muir Kobus and even Meyer all want SA to win the WC so I am sure they will be a bit more accommodating.

    NZ can afford to pull 22 players from S14 with minimum impact to their teams - SA could add those 22 players to their S14 teams and probably still not make the finals!!

    Comment by BMM : September 13, 2006 @ 10:07 am

  32. asha1,

    Bang on in post #28.

    Henry has worked out how many games he wants his leading players to take part in prior to the WC so that they are primed and fresh for the tournament. He has said that he will be fielding his top team from now on to build up the combinations, so he doesn’t want to be using the squad rotation system to rest players who are fatigued.

    The reason he has pulled certain players from S14 is because he wants them to have a proper rest and good rehabilitation to overcome the little niggles they are carrying. Players like McCaw, Hayman, Carter, Collins etc. have put in a mountain load of work this year and their bodies must surely have taken a pounding. Others like Sivivatu have been carrying niggles for a long time and Henry wants them to be sorted out well before the WC preparations begin.

    Other players like Gear, Howlett and McAllister have not played much rugby this year, but aren’t carrying injuries. So they have been left out of the protected 22. Seems fair enough and well thought out to me. The big thing in NZ is that all provincial coaches will work with Henry next year to ensure the top players are not over used, thus priming them for WC duty. They are all working in the country’s best interests…which is to win the WC.

    The other reason to rest players like this is to allow them to recover from the mental exhaustion that comes with playing so much rugby and playing so many hard and tough tests. It is mentally draining to do all the preparation prior to tests and to go out and perform week after week. Henry wants his players rested and their heads cleared and focused.

    You can knock Henry and his plan all you want. But he does at least have a plan, and he’s right to stick by it as his plans haven’t failed thus far.

    Comment by stodders : September 13, 2006 @ 10:12 am

  33. I think the 3N is beter when we only play each other twice instead of 3 times. But it will also be good to have a week’s break inbetween games.

    Comment by Andre_WP : September 13, 2006 @ 10:12 am

  34. imagine - take 22 out and you still have to support the Spears…………with palyers for the Super14

    Comment by Spears : September 13, 2006 @ 10:16 am

  35. How can they make the decision so quickly. I’m not questioning the pros or cons of the decision, but it just strikes me as worrying that they can basically make a decision overnight.

    Have they consulted anyone else about their decision, or did Marinos, White and Hoskins simply sit down and say, “look at all the flak NZ are getting- we’d better play our boks”?

    Comment by Vetkoek : September 13, 2006 @ 10:16 am

  36. Vetkoek,

    I think that’s exactly what they did. There was no real plan for the Boks, and so they have decided to keep the money and keep running.

    SARU is such a piss poor excuse for a rugby union. It’s like watching the keystone cops, running from one catastrophe to the next. On this issue, they are like an ostrich. They pulled their head out of the sand, heard News Copr rating at NZRU, thought they don’t want any financial sanctions, and stuck their head back in the sand.

    If SARU thought it would be best to rest their players to ensure a good tilt at the world cup, they should have shown some balls and pressed ahead with it. But as usual, money talks with these guys and they will flog the players some more. I wonder how many more Boks will be lost before we get to the WC?

    Comment by stodders : September 13, 2006 @ 10:33 am

  37. That should have read “News Corp ranting”….

    Comment by stodders : September 13, 2006 @ 10:34 am

  38. Het iemand vandag se Beeld al gelees? Ek hoor daar is berig oor verdeeldheid in die wp kamp. Iets oor ouens vir en ouens teen Watson. Ek is doodernstig - het iemand die koerant gelees en weet julle of dit waar is?

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 13, 2006 @ 10:36 am

  39. Supa - just had a look at the website - didn’t see anything …

    Comment by Ig : September 13, 2006 @ 10:41 am

  40. Re #27 “What keeps you rugby fit? .. playing rugby off course.” - no, that is absolutely wrong. It may keep you sharper but playing every week means no time for proper fitness training. A player that plays every week in a competition like the S14 or CC, loses fitness and power over the duration of the compitition. To get to top condition (including fitness, power, explosiveness), you need specific scientific training without any games interfering.

    This is what the AB’s are taking off for, not just to rest, but to start with a proper base for the build up to the world cup.

    Having said that, 8-9 months before the WC may be to early but I suppose it will be to difficult to fit it in closer to the WC.

    Comment by MysticBoer : September 13, 2006 @ 10:41 am

  41. Valke wil WP-‘tweespalt’ uitbuit
    Sep 12 2006 09:12:04:600PM - (SA)

    Jaco van der Merwe

    Die Valke hoop dat bewerings van moontlike tweespalt in die Westelike Provinsie se rugbyspan hul grootste bondgenoot in Saterdag se Curriebeker-kragmeting op Nuweland kan wees.

    Volgens gerugte is die WP se kamp glo verdeeld tussen ’n groep spelers wat die kaptein en flank Luke Watson ondersteun en ’n groep wat glo nie aanklank vind by dié jong aanvoerder se leierskapstyl nie.

    Dit is geen geheim nie dat Watson ’n sterk persoonlikheid het en ’n groot invloed op sy spanmaats op en van die veld uitoefen.

    Hy is ook glad nie skaam om te sê wat hy dink nie.

    “Ons hoor ook maar net van hierdie dinge,” sê Krynauw Otto, die Valke se voorspelerafrigter.

    “Dit het al in die verlede gebeur dat ’n sterk persoon die WP se ritme versteur het. As dit weer die geval is, kan ons dit hopelik uitbuit.

    “As daar wel krake is, sal dit verder oopgaan as ons genoegsame druk daarop kan toepas.

    “Hulle speel goeie rugby en dit gaan nie ’n maklik wees nie. Veral nie op Nuweland nie. Maar miskien is die elemente in ons guns.”

    Die Valke het goeie rekenskap van hulself gegee in dié twee spanne se eerste kragmeting in Brakpan, maar ’n afgeronde WP-span het die wedstryd met 40-31 gewen. Die Skarlakenrooies was met 16-7 voor ná ’n halfuur, maar onverskrokke besluitneming deur Watson het die Streeptruie in staat gestel om teen die rustyd voor te loop.

    “WP speel anders as baie ander spanne en met die verloop van tyd leer jy hoe om teen elke span te speel.

    “Hulle span hul voorspelers meer in as in die verlede en kry lekker momentum.

    “Dit stel hulle in staat om die bal wyd te speel en ons sal moet sorg dat ons wegbly van hul sterkpunte af,” sê Otto.

    “Ons vaste fasette het baie verbeter. Ons het die naweek teen die Leeus seker 15 keer omgekeerde besit gewen. Dit kan toegeskryf word aan ons verdediging wat baie verbeter het. Die ouens bring nie net meer ouens grond toe nie, maar ding ook om die bal mee.”

    Al is daar nie meer veel op die spel vir die Valke nie, sê Otto dat hulle die reeks op ’n hoogtepunt wil afsluit.

    Ná die wedstryd in Kaapstad speel die Skarlakenrooies tuis teen die Pumas en weg teen die Haaie.

    “Ons wil beslis op ’n hoë noot afsluit. Ek dink al die spanne is oorwinlik en ons wil graag twee van die laaste drie kragmetings wen. Ons het al die Pumas geklop.

    “Ons het selfvertroue sonder om arrogant te wees, terwyl ons baie graag een van die twee grotes wil klop.

    “As ons nie dié een teen die WP wen nie, moet ons die Haaie klop.”

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 13, 2006 @ 10:43 am

  42. can anyone tell me who the contracted boks are who either lost form or are injured at this moment? i would love to know how many current form players are actually affected (get well deserved rest) by the ruling of not playing any further part in the curriecup?

    i think mjoubert, dewet, percy, jvdwesthuyzen have contracts? schalk burger, bakkies injured anyway! can anyone give clarity on this one?

    Comment by asha1 : September 13, 2006 @ 10:43 am

  43. Stodders,

    Ja- I actually don’t know why I am as surprised as I am half the time. I should by now be used to SARU making ill-thought, inexplicable, rash decisions.

    Comment by Vetkoek : September 13, 2006 @ 10:44 am

  44. Re #38 - Ja, dis op Beeld se website op die sport bladsy onder die opskrif “Valke wil WP-‘tweespalt’ uitbuit”.

    All it says is that there are rumours of a split in the Province camp.

    Comment by MysticBoer : September 13, 2006 @ 10:45 am

  45. Thanx Mystic

    Just found it.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 13, 2006 @ 10:46 am

  46. This is a little innapropriate don’t ya think?
    Talking about who’s getting action…..

    Comment by Skim : September 13, 2006 @ 11:22 am

  47. I’d like just to re-post something what i wrote on the other thread, which i believe to be the answer for all the bullshit going on, and really hope this will come to live in SA.

    If the guys at SARU were a little more creative than we’d develop an elite squad management system (like the poms have) - where there would be a proffessional body responsible for contracting players who they believe would be a long term bok asset.

    Elite Squad Managemnet would contract to about 15 players - more would be plain stupid!
    These 15 players would be under constant ESM supervision. The max. number of games played each year by these fella would be reduced to around 25 - all bok test (if decided by the bok head coach) and chosen super14 games. If the management decides that some players need game time then would have them available for the CC.

    ESM would take each and every of the 15 contracted very seriously. Would have them properly conditioned, and would take care of their medical stuff eg operations, rehabilitations, etc etc etc.

    These okes should build the core of the bok squad, and bringing new players to the ESM system should be discussed seriously and revised. Eg. to get to the ESM a player would have to play at least 10 tests, show that they have something in them for the future. ESM should also each year a group of pre-elite players (5 should be enough) where they’d discuss and consider contracting them in the near future.

    To clear it out for you guys! I’ll give an example.

    Contracted ESM players at present would probably consist of -

    Os, Smit, Matfield, Bakkies, Schalk, Juan, Joe, AJ Venter, du Preez, Pretorius, Habana, Jean dVilliers, Fourie, Monty.

    Os and Monty would be there after Jake’s request at having them conditioned for the world cup. So these okes have a special agenda for the RWC ‘07.

    ESM would negotiate each of these players contract with the their unions so that the unions won’t cry over financial losses. ofcourse agreements would sooner or later be formed.

    Schalk is operated nad rehabilitated on ESM’s cost and it would be ESM responsibility to get him fit. They will (together with the player itself) decide what is best, and should always consider health as a deciding factor.

    So these guys would be all proffessionally set up.
    ESM would work independantly, and should be pressurized by the media, saru delegates or the bok management. Although a clause should be made that they need to maintain a proffessional relationship with the bok management. Jake can have Januarie, Andrews, Spehaka whoever he wants but if ESM decide that these players aren’t ESM standard then those okes just won’t have a contract, it would be a waste of money to contract somebody who is not believed to be in the long term frame.

    Although the benefit of having ESM players would put pressure on Jake. If ESM decides that Watson is a talent and needs to be taken care of then they would contract him, leaving him always fit and prepared. Jkae could do whatever he wants but not having Luke would make him a retard or sth.

    Now the pre-elite group. ESM would have special agreements with players they believe are long term greats.

    Eg. a group of five serious contenders - JP Pietersen, Spies, Ralepelle, Ruan Pienaar - ESM would monitor them and if these okes show promise and continue to perform they contract them (one at a time) after serious consideration.

    Eventually the ESM player base would increase to about 20 over a period of 3-5 years. ESM if wanted can drop a player out of its system if their contract expires, until the contract lives they take the reponsibility of the performance of these players. Os and Monty eg till RWC ‘07. And in 2008 they start negotiating for the inclusion of JP Pieterson/Roets/Aplon etc vieing for a 4 year contract till RWC 2011 and BJ Botha/Steenkamp etc vieing for a ESM prop contract.

    ESM would be funded by SARU, with a constant budget. ESM would however remain completely independant in its work. SARU would only have to acknowledge the ESM council and its director.

    Comment by the_taurus : September 13, 2006 @ 12:18 pm

  48. oh and ESM would take full responsible of the players in all their participation, as well as super14. For eg. ESM decides that their contracted players should be withdrawn from SA super 14 derbies cause of fear of injuries sustained in these matches then so be it. Afterall they hold full responsibility and and their main contractors.

    Comment by the_taurus : September 13, 2006 @ 12:22 pm

  49. Just liked to mention that if ESM players were withdrawn from SA derbies than it would lead them to play 8 matches in the S14, which is perfect. Just the right number to make everybody happy. Talk about smart managing of our players.

    Comment by the_taurus : September 13, 2006 @ 12:24 pm

  50. Very good post Taurus. It is ideas like that need to be debated in order for SA rugby to regain it’s health. Unfortunately, SARU is deaf, dumb and blind at this point in time.

    Questions -

    Would the SA provincial unions kick up as much of a fuss as the clubs do in England where constant haggling takes place?

    Would SA provincial unions decide to do what WP have started, and contract foreign players who are unable to represent SA because they offer better value for money and better continuity? At the end of the day, results mean prizes and money do they not? This could saturate the SA game with mercenaries, like the European game, and may stagnate the development of home grown SA players, and more importantly, already developed Boks.

    I imagine the scenario is likely to be different to Europe as there isn’t as much money in SA to tempt foreign players, although lifestyle may be a factor that could entice them, e.g. Gregor Townsend, Trevor Leota etc. The scenario is more likely to be similar to the CC we are currently seeing, where SA born non-Bok players are playing. Would the onus on value for money and continuity see these players being selected above the Bok players?

    Just questions to get the debate started.

    Comment by stodders : September 13, 2006 @ 12:34 pm

  51. The entire rugby structur should change.

    1) only five pro teams all contracted to SARU this gives them controll over bok players. These teams should compete in the s14 and the European version of s14 only.

    2) currie cup should be come a semi pro league with top club players being played. Make the currie cup what it used to be hard men representing there province, I’m sure most of us will rather see that than wannabee youngsters.

    3) A stong higher education league should be established. All high school graduates with talent should be given bursaries which would be cheaper than putting them under provincial contract. They should not be available for the boks, currie cup, or pro teams until they graduate. The players are then drafted as in the USA and thus the pro team with a shortage of quality scrummies can get first choise on the best prospect in the country and so on. Those who do not make it have a carreer to fall back on and then can begin competing for a place in the currie cup which may then lead to a full time contract at a pro team. This will also have the benefit of giving their bodies to adjust and become full grown. 18-21 is a vunrable time for the human body. I reckon a lot of wilkos problems is due to him being pushed from too young an age and we will probably never know how good he could have been, others include willemse etc.

    This will have a great benefit for transformation not nly will saru be giving formerly dissadvantaged guys a chance to become pro rugby players but also a chance at education a win win for all.

    It works, I’m a matie in one residence there are 10 blokes play or have played provincial rugby including aplon.

    I personally can see the day when every other cover of huis genoot and you is a sob story about som guy who’s life was ruined with nothing to fall back on due to playing rugby strait out of school.

    willimse is a case in point, if he never plays again what will he do? will he have made enogh to support himself for the rest of his life? Not every guy can become a comentator like owen or kya molotana.

    Comment by obelix11 : September 13, 2006 @ 1:14 pm

  52. “boks get super action”…thats good to hear!

    the are overpayed and under worked.

    Comment by the bullet : September 13, 2006 @ 1:17 pm

  53. I’d like to see Jake coach the spears next year where he only has his springbok group of players as part of the spears franchise where he can use the S14 to play in his players and get his combinations to work etc etc in preperation for the world cup…..we all saying how he missed his opportunities this year to bleed new players yet he didn’t and I honestly cannot see a better opportunity than this where he cud have even as many as 40 players rotating week in and week out against the best players from NZ and Aus tweaking here and there in preperation for the world cup…….what a plan!!!!

    Comment by Claypot : September 13, 2006 @ 2:39 pm

  54. BOK year-end Tour:

    Jake should play this 20 year-old talented Cheetah centre at 12/13, JW JONKER -it’s the closest SA will get to an owesome player like Matt Giteau.

    Comment by desertnomad : September 13, 2006 @ 2:39 pm

  55. desertnomad,
    Are you talking about that Meyer guy who ran gaps through WP last weekend?

    Comment by Bok : September 13, 2006 @ 2:44 pm

  56. Nah, this post sucks, I’m looking for wallabie, anyone know where he is?

    Comment by Bok : September 13, 2006 @ 2:45 pm

  57. Anybody!

    Please confirm whether the KEO fixtures are correct. It states that WP are playing 19:10 Friday evening.

    Comment by Brickwall : September 13, 2006 @ 3:13 pm

  58. 55…bok,yah sure,until he was planked by shimmie!!!

    camera,lights and NO action

    Comment by the bullet : September 13, 2006 @ 3:13 pm

  59. #57 - Not its not Brick - WP are playing on Saturday

    Games on TV this week

    18:55 - 21:00 SS1/CSN Absa Currie Cup:: Pumas vs Cheetahs, LIVE WTF ???

    16:55 - 19:00 MNET/SS1 Absa Currie Cup:: Natal Sharks vs Blue Bulls, LIVE

    Superdooses really are being piss poor with the end of the competition

    Comment by Ig : September 13, 2006 @ 3:19 pm

  60. Ig Cheetahs are the champs so they should get coverage.

    I used to WTF all the time 3 - 4 years ago when every single game on the tele was WP games.

    Win the CC and coverage is not a problem and you wouldn’t have to WTF all the time.

    Comment by adj nm : September 13, 2006 @ 3:32 pm

  61. Fair enough ajd nm, especially since Wp are playing on Saturday….

    Comment by Ig : September 13, 2006 @ 3:35 pm

  62. Thanx Iggy

    Your fixtures is wrong then.

    Comment by Brickwall : September 13, 2006 @ 3:39 pm

  63. Not anymore I see. Cool bananas

    Comment by Brickwall : September 13, 2006 @ 3:40 pm

  64. Brick- i have just updated them - they should be correct - there should only be remaining fixtures left for the season. If you seeing anything else tap F5 a couple of times to refresh the page.

    Comment by Ig : September 13, 2006 @ 3:40 pm

  65. Honky dory Ig. It all game together by the press of the button.

    Comment by Brickwall : September 13, 2006 @ 3:44 pm

  66. NZ club will win the S14 with a second round back to full strength the fresher blacks injections to likes of cantebury will be too strong for the tied Sa teams.

    Sharks have the best chance as they have least boks contracted, the season starts with most home games for sharks.

    Comment by nailthem : September 13, 2006 @ 3:46 pm

  67. Nailthem

    NZ have got plenty of great players who will still play in the S14. They don’t need their All Blacks. Guys like Mcalister, Gear and Howlet to name just three will be playing.

    What is it with NZ anyway. IMO, Mcalister has been the best 12 in the trinations. Why he is not in he 22man squad is a mistery.

    Comment by Brickwall : September 13, 2006 @ 3:49 pm

  68. FACT of the matter is that NZ does not have more talented players than SA. I would settle for say we have the same amount.

    I have said many times in the past that the only reason NZ is no1 in the world is because they dominated the S14 for quite a while. SA shit hit the fan when they changed the CC a few years back to include all 14 unions. Thank goodness sanity prevailed and strenght versus strengh was reintroduced. It has taken the CC a few years to recover from that set back but I think no one can say that this year’s CC is not competative - some games almost at S14 level.

    This will be taken forward to the S14 and we WILL see improved SA results in the S14. I’m relieved to see that ALL SA players are going to take part in the S14.

    NZ has now effectively withdrawn their best 22 players from the very competition that is responsible for their dominace of world rugby.

    Comment by adj nm : September 13, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

  69. adj nm, unfortunately it looks like we’re going back to 14 team CC next year.

    Comment by Mistral : September 13, 2006 @ 5:19 pm

  70. AAAAAG NOOOOO mistral you’re f%^king with me right?

    Comment by adj nm : September 13, 2006 @ 5:27 pm

  71. Mistral,
    Where did you here that? If its true, it SUCKS!!! The strenth vs strenth is much better!

    Comment by Bok : September 13, 2006 @ 5:45 pm

  72. het julle fokol beter om te doen as om net heeldag te sit en kak praat ni ????????????????????

    Comment by maniac : September 13, 2006 @ 5:52 pm

  73. What about Saracens signing Neil de Kock?……poor form once again Keo!
    Are you gonna start being held accountable for your poor performances like you always say the players and coaches should be?

    Comment by big dawg : September 13, 2006 @ 7:20 pm

  74. Should all the players be rested for the whole super 14, they would ‘rust’. I do think they should be given some rest in next year’s super 14 though, give some youngsters game time against the minnows.

    Only problem is, our teams ARE the minnows :P hehe. But on a serious note, players need game time to keep form!

    Comment by Mephistopheles : September 13, 2006 @ 7:24 pm

  75. Rust affects metal…..not rugby players!

    Comment by the dood : September 13, 2006 @ 7:25 pm

  76. keo, must congratulate you on dragging all these assholes to the website

    Comment by maniac : September 13, 2006 @ 7:27 pm

  77. looks like it has worked…..after all,you are here!!

    Comment by the dood : September 13, 2006 @ 7:40 pm

  78. 76…maniac,mmm and you seem to be the biggest one of them all!

    Comment by the bullet : September 13, 2006 @ 7:59 pm

  79. hehe yep the dood… but to win the world cup you need men made of steel!!!

    Comment by Mephistopheles : September 13, 2006 @ 8:21 pm

  80. 79….and some brains would help i guess

    Comment by the bullet : September 13, 2006 @ 8:43 pm

  81. 68: adj NM, Hmmmmm.

    Maybe you’re right in assuming we dominate world rugby because of our success with the S12/s14.

    However, now that those players have continually performed that role, its all about getting ready for the RWC.

    The 22 rested players, will rejoin the comp at the end of the S14, ie with about 5 games to go. Totally sufficient time to get back into it with another 6 tests to play before RWC starts. That to me is ideal preparation.

    Lets be really honest here - although we have won this years 3N ..again..the actual standard of rugby has not been that good. And the key reason I feel, is because ALL the players involved have simply played too much rugby.

    What the AB’s want to acheive is to raise the mark even higher than what we have done in the past 2 years, and perform at our potential best for the RWC.

    Its not just resting the 22 from playing, its also resting them from the travel schedules, the constant training, and the time away from their local environment. This will prove to be a stronger foundation to have the best 30 players available for the RWC, they will have still had enough rugby heading into France, and they will be even keener than ever ensure success is delivered.

    Why would you want to hit France in 2007 with a worn out team?

    All the European teams will be well and truly rested, and will be in the same strategic boat, the only ones who wont will be SA and Aus who will continually thrash their best players out, leaving them drained for France 07.

    Failing to plan is planning to fail.

    Comment by KiaKahaNZ : September 14, 2006 @ 5:53 am

  82. Paws 27
    Have a look at some old amateur rugby videos and check out the build and fitness of those guys compared to todays players.
    They both play about as much rugby so according to your theory should be of equal fitness.
    Todays players train for rugby fulltime, not by playing 10 games a week but by speciallised programes designed to build up muscle and fitness according to the demands of the game.

    67, I would suggest the reason McAlister is not in the group has more to do with his lack of gametime this year than his abilities;
    he needs a lot more time on the field before the WC commences.

    So Jake, now you have the same excuse for the WC failure next year as you had for this years failures…overworked and injured top players?
    Good thinking!

    Comment by ricane : September 14, 2006 @ 6:22 am

  83. Bah ricane…don’t count your chickens yet!

    Comment by Koos : September 14, 2006 @ 6:24 am

  84. I’m not counting my chooks yet Koos, yet I’m happy with the nestbox that is being built.

    …but I’m not even counting the eggs being hatched for SA!

    Comment by ricane : September 14, 2006 @ 6:56 am

  85. Oh you mean that nestbox that tends to fall apart round about semies time? Geee mate, I hope you guys upgraded to a newer version, the other one was just not working… ;-)

    Comment by Koos : September 14, 2006 @ 7:33 am

  86. The Stormers Super 14 team is taking beautiful shape:

    15.) Conrad Jantjies
    14.) Breyton Paulse
    13.) Sireli Vuki
    12.) Jean de Villiers
    11.) Tonderai Chavanga
    10.) Naas Olivier
    9.) Bolla Conradie
    8.) Robbie Diack
    7.) Joe van Niekerk
    6.) Luke Watson
    5.) Ross Skeate
    4.) Andries Bekker
    3.) Cobus Visagie
    2.) Schalk Brits
    1.) Andries Human

    16.) Lawrence Sephaka
    17.) Tiaan Liebenberg
    18.) Gerrie Britz
    19.) Justin Melck
    20.) Paul Delport
    21.) Peter Grant
    22.) De Wet Barry

    Comment by RugbyStudent : September 14, 2006 @ 7:57 am

  87. Well i do believe that key contacted players should rest at the end of the currie cup but resting players that weren’t even in the springbok squad at the last few games of the tri-nations is ridiculas.Why rest out of form players where the only way for them to get back into form is to have game time.There are a number of springboks who’ve either not played or sat on the bench for the majority of the tournament. I think that SARU needs to re-evaluate their descions into what they’re actually trying to achieve.

    Comment by Dunx : September 14, 2006 @ 8:20 am

  88. Koos that smileyface just saved your life!!

    Yes, this is the new GH2007 model, with state of the art Roo, Antelope and Cockerell resistant features.

    Comment by ricane : September 14, 2006 @ 8:25 am

  89. 86- u want barry as your outside back reserve?

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 14, 2006 @ 8:28 am

  90. Shit and I wanted to leave it out, damn! Anyway, has it been tested in similar circumstances?

    KIR he is naming people not even signed yet, including that it still looks a litlle flimsy to me…

    Comment by Koos : September 14, 2006 @ 8:32 am

  91. Rugby Student
    D’ya think you might be able to look a little more convincing against fellow cellar-dwellers the Chiefs, Reds, Force, Cheetahs and Highlanders next year then or are you planning to take on the ‘Canes and ‘Saders ‘b’ teams competitively?

    Comment by ricane : September 14, 2006 @ 8:35 am

  92. Rugby student

    You being an idiot……what did that team of yours look like this year…where did they get then????????…….you can have all the best players but that means nothing if they can’t play as a unit

    Comment by Steyn The Blue Bull : September 14, 2006 @ 8:56 am

  93. steyn- got a feeling the bulls are gonna have a super 14 shocker! sharks will be sa’s best side. goin to be an interesting test for rassie, now that its his 2nd year in charge he must aim to finish in the top half of the log if he wants to prove he’s ready to be bok coach. if the spears finsh anywhere but last i reckon de villiers will have proved his critics wrong

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 14, 2006 @ 9:08 am

  94. Rugby Student, where`s Aplon???????

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 9:16 am

  95. OK, I have to ask, Cobus Visagie and Lawrence Sephaka? Have they signed?

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 9:18 am

  96. tony-u know what students do. they smoke plenty drugs

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 14, 2006 @ 9:19 am

  97. keepin

    I think the Stormers or Cheetahs will be relegated after next year. Bulls have too much experience (with a mixture of youth)in their team to just go from 4 place to 10th. I just cant see that happening. I see us from 6 and up.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 9:37 am

  98. 97- i don’t know supa, the bulls forwards are not as dominant as maybe 2 seasons back, i also think that 9/10 doesnt get the bulls backline moving quick enough

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 14, 2006 @ 9:40 am

  99. I hear you Keeping_it_real!!!

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 9:50 am

  100. i said it 100 times-100

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 14, 2006 @ 9:51 am

  101. myne

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 9:51 am

  102. keepin

    We did well in the s14 - missing 10+ players was always gonna hurt us - next year they are back and Meyer is the only coach in SA that is already working on the s14. I feel our forwards have always been dominant - not talking about ccup. Remember - in s14 we will have great players back as well as Meyer - the guys really perform at their best under him!

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 9:53 am

  103. o ja - FDP is good and Hougie was the best s14 flyhalf (SA) before he got injured. Yes, he needs to work on his distribution skills - but he is a matchwinner.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 9:55 am

  104. supa- dick is also working on super 14 eg dual squad system ets

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 14, 2006 @ 10:02 am

  105. Die BlouBul,so true about Heyneke Meyer…

    Comment by BlouBul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:03 am

  106. The Stormers will be the top ranked SA side next season. Too much talent, flair, grunt in the engine room.
    Bulls to be relegated…. :-)

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 10:09 am

  107. keepin

    Meyer is working full time on the s14. Muir biggest effort at the moment is going into the ccup. Yes - he is working on two squads. Bulls have two squads already. Meyer went to europe etc just to prepare for s14. Muir is preparing for the next match each week.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:09 am

  108. Tony

    Stirring this early?

    WP is good in the ccup and impressed about everyone - but they still have quite a few youngsters that hasnt payed s14. Im not saying they will be poor, they will be good with talent like that, but experience counts for a lot in s14 when games get close. JDV, Schalk and Joe might help the youngsters alot with this, but they will lose a few due to inexperience. Bulls have news guys like Spies, Lobberts, Delport etc. but we have old hands like Bakkies, Matfield, FDP, Rossouw etc. who has done it before for us.

    Cheetahs will ne competetive but i dont really see them having a chance in the semis. They will win a few and probably end middle of the log. Sharks, i think, might have the best chance to reach the semi next year. We’ll thats my 2 cents.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:15 am

  109. Hougie is a rumour….

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 10:16 am

  110. a rumour with 3 ccups behind his name…

    Pretorius was coached by Dale Sandton as a kid…

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:18 am

  111. -don’t forget supa the bulls will have a kak draw next year unlike the sharks who will have 7home games and only 4 overseas

    Comment by keepin_it_real : September 14, 2006 @ 10:18 am

  112. KIR
    that that mean you will forfeit the other 2 games??

    Comment by gothemullet : September 14, 2006 @ 10:30 am

  113. Supa, Hougie is Sandton se love child…. :-)

    Ek dink ons behoort ok te wees in key posisies:

    Voorry JD Moller, Eddie Andrews, Duimpie Theron, Attie Winter (Cobus Visagie)

    Haker Schalk Britz, Shimmie, Edmonds

    Slotte, Boomer, Bekker, Skeate, VD Merwe, Britz (2 het al vir SA gespeel)

    Lostrio, Watson, Burger (behoort terug te wees), Big Joe, Melck, Diack en `n paar van die jonger outjies

    Skrumskakels, Bolla, Paul Delport (en die onder 21 skrumskakel wat beter as altwee is

    Losskakel, Naas, Peter Grant, JDV

    Senters, JDV, Dewet, Sarel Potgieter, Corne Uys

    Wings, Sireli, Paulse, Pieterse, Chumani Booy, Seconds

    Heelagter Aplon, Jantjes

    Nie te sleg nie.

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 10:36 am

  114. kir

    That theory never held much weight for me - in 2004 we won 1 game overseas and won all our games here. I feel, an easy away game means a difficult home game. I honestly prefer losing to Saders in Christchurch than on Loftus. Chance of losing to sides like Saders and Brumbies are always good - so id rather lose to them overseas than at home. That means easier homegames against the reds, force etc so thats easy points.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:37 am

  115. Tony - WP also signed Tiaan Libenberg - played S14 for FS this year and Griquas in the CC

    Comment by Ig : September 14, 2006 @ 10:37 am

  116. to add to that, i cant see the bulls losing to the Force, Reds etc at Loftus, but i do think we might lose to them in Aus. I dont se us beating the Saders really on Loftus or Nzl - so id rather lose there.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:38 am

  117. tony

    As Cobus nie kom nie het julle groot probleme op stut. Daai squad lyk nie sleg nie, maar dit gaan oor wie speel. As julle Barry, Jantjies, Eddie, Grant ens speel is dit basicly dieselfde ouens wat gesukkel het hierdie jaar. Solank julle Aplon, Diack ens kies dink ek julle staan n beter kans.

    Wie se Paulse het n kontrak by die WP? Hy het net een by die bokke sover ek weet.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:42 am

  118. True Ig, forgot about Liebenberg. Good signing me thinks…

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 10:42 am

  119. Julle lostrio van Watson, Schalk en Joe was nie juis impressive hierdie jaar nie. Ek dink hulle beperk Schalk deur hom op 7 te speel. Dink ook Diack moet kans kry.

    Ek sou Schalk of Luke op 6 start en die ander een later opbring - amper soos die Aussies met Waugh en Smith.

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:44 am

  120. Wp se beste hakers in my opinie:

    1.Brits
    2.Liebenberg
    3.Edmonds
    4.Splinters
    5.Luke he he

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:46 am

  121. Supa, if you want to know how to beat the Saders, ask the Stormers….. :-)

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 10:47 am

  122. and if you want to know how to beat the Stormers -ask the bulls! :lol:

    Comment by Supa Die Bloubul : September 14, 2006 @ 10:51 am

  123. Supa, goeie punt oor die ouens wat gesukkel het hierdie jaar. Dis juis hoekom `n bietjie nuwe bloed die span soveel beter gaan maak. Almal het op reputasie gespeel hierdie jaar. Nou is daar kompetisie en dinge lyk baie beter.
    Die Super 14 is egter `n perd van `n ander kleur. Reputasie beteken boggerol.

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 10:55 am

  124. 122, I deserved that one! :-)

    Comment by Tony Moneo : September 14, 2006 @ 11:01 am

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