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Rights and Liberties

American Prison Camps Are on the Way

By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted October 9, 2006.


Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of Bush's "unlawful enemy combatants." Americans are certain to be among them.
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The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."

Bush & Co. has portrayed the bill as a tough way to deal with aliens to protect us against terrorism. Frightened they might lose their majority in Congress in the November elections, the Republicans rammed the bill through Congress with little substantive debate.

Anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on Bush's list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies could be declared an "unlawful enemy combatant" and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.

The bill also strips habeas corpus rights from detained aliens who have been declared enemy combatants. Congress has the constitutional power to suspend habeas corpus only in times of rebellion or invasion. The habeas-stripping provision in the new bill is unconstitutional and the Supreme Court will likely say so when the issue comes before it.

Although more insidious, this law follows in the footsteps of other unnecessarily repressive legislation. In times of war and national crisis, the government has targeted immigrants and dissidents.

In 1798, the Federalist-led Congress, capitalizing on the fear of war, passed the four Alien and Sedition Acts to stifle dissent against the Federalist Party's political agenda. The Naturalization Act extended the time necessary for immigrants to reside in the U.S. because most immigrants sympathized with the Republicans.

The Alien Enemies Act provided for the arrest, detention and deportation of male citizens of any foreign nation at war with the United States. Many of the 25,000 French citizens living in the U.S. could have been expelled had France and America gone to war, but this law was never used. The Alien Friends Act authorized the deportation of any non-citizen suspected of endangering the security of the U.S. government; the law lasted only two years and no one was deported under it.

The Sedition Act provided criminal penalties for any person who wrote, printed, published, or spoke anything "false, scandalous and malicious" with the intent to hold the government in "contempt or disrepute." The Federalists argued it was necessary to suppress criticism of the government in time of war. The Republicans objected that the Sedition Act violated the First Amendment, which had become part of the Constitution seven years earlier. Employed exclusively against Republicans, the Sedition Act was used to target congressmen and newspaper editors who criticized President John Adams.

Subsequent examples of laws passed and actions taken as a result of fear-mongering during periods of xenophobia are the Espionage Act of 1917, the Sedition Act of 1918, the Red Scare following World War I, the forcible internment of people of Japanese descent during World War II, and the Alien Registration Act of 1940 (the Smith Act).

During the McCarthy period of the 1950s, in an effort to eradicate the perceived threat of communism, the government engaged in widespread illegal surveillance to threaten and silence anyone who had an unorthodox political viewpoint. Many people were jailed, blacklisted and lost their jobs. Thousands of lives were shattered as the FBI engaged in "red-baiting." One month after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, United States Attorney General John Ashcroft rushed the U.S.A. Patriot Act through a timid Congress. The Patriot Act created a crime of domestic terrorism aimed at political activists who protest government policies, and set forth an ideological test for entry into the United States.

In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the legality of the internment of Japanese and Japanese-American citizens in Korematsu v. United States. Justice Robert Jackson warned in his dissent that the ruling would "lie about like a loaded weapon ready for the hand of any authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need."

That day has come with the Military Commissions Act of 2006. It provides the basis for the President to round-up both aliens and U.S. citizens he determines have given material support to terrorists. Kellogg Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Cheney's Halliburton, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of undesirables.

In his 1928 dissent in Olmstead v. United States, Justice Louis Brandeis cautioned, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." Seventy-three years later, former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, speaking for a zealous President, warned Americans "they need to watch what they say, watch what they do."

We can expect Bush to continue to exploit 9/11 to strip us of more of our liberties. Our constitutional right to dissent is in serious jeopardy. Benjamin Franklin's prescient warning should give us pause: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

Digg!

Marjorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, is president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association of Jurists. Her new book, "Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law," will be published in 2007 by PoliPointPress.



 

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irrational
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 9, 2006 1:25 AM   
It is amazing how stupid, irrational and undemocratic most of the current congress members are. Vote against any of the baboons who voted for this fascist legislation. Making more American jails is a crime against humanity.

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» I live in Ohio,too Posted by: kww355
» WHO TO PUT IN CAMPS Posted by: No Neos
» Possible post-election scenarios Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Possible post-election scenarios Posted by: HecticEclectic
more info needed
Posted by: CCridr on Oct 9, 2006 2:18 AM   
"Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location"

There is no other detail in this article to support this statement. Please elaborate.

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» RE: more info needed Posted by: Ken Duerksen
» RE: more info needed Posted by: YogiBear
» I know! WTF? Posted by: sln70
» RE: more info needed Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: more info needed Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» More evidence needed Posted by: jgr4
» More info ALWAYS needed Posted by: fifthworld
» Verifiable Proof still needed Posted by: LeftWright
The round up is about to start!
Posted by: hot_rad_man on Oct 9, 2006 3:12 AM   
This plan was formulated a year ago or more but you had to dig for the information which just shows you that the pig press run by the corporations wants to keep you in the dark. Soon the knock on the door will come and we will be rounded up one by one in buses sent by the Post Office that is designated to provide addresses for the pigs that will arrest us and detain us indefinitely without a trial, without a lawyer, thown in to the pit of obscurity and our loved ones will never find us. You were warned America but you were asleep and now it is too late!

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WE ARE THE ENEMY
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 9, 2006 3:42 AM   
I guess this makes all of us "unlawful enemy comabatants". Yes, I am this administration's worst fucking nightmare. So are you. Am I a physical threat? Hell, no! I'm a commited passifist. Am I a political nightmare? You bet your sweet bippy, Buster! I'm not surprised that this administration is building concentration camps, are you? Can it shock anyone that the most corrupt and criminal president in American history is doing such a thing? If you are taken aback by these recent disclosures, you haven't been paying attention these last six years, that's for sure.

So what to do? It's up to all of us (Weeda Peeple) to let this half-witted, murderous little piece of shit in the White House and the tsanami of human shit that comprises this disgsuting administration that THEY WILL NOT ROLL OVER US. If they are naive enough to believe that thinking Americans of all political stripes will take this lying down, they're actually dumber than even I thought.

If you need further proof as to the importance of next month's elections then you might as well go back to sleep. Remember that old line, Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party? Substitute "men" with "people" and "party" with "country" and you're on the right course.

These dispicable perverts may feel that they have us right where they want us but, guess what? They''re gonna fail! This is the time to stand up, folks! This is the time to make your voices heard loud and clear! We will no longer allow them to shit on our constitution! The party's over. The piper must be paid.

GEORGE W. BUSH AND RICHARD B. CHENEY WILL BE REMEMBERED IN HISTORY AS THE FIRST PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SPEND THE REST OF THEIR FUCKING LIVES FEDERAL PRISON. I PROMISE YOU THAT.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: Passive Resistance Posted by: Lincoln fan
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» RE: WE ARE THE ENEMY Posted by: jannahanna
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attitude toward dissent
Posted by: DrXyzzy on Oct 9, 2006 3:54 AM   
he [Musharraf] said, he refused Bush's "ludicrous" demand that he arrest Pakistanis who publicly demonstrated against the U.S. - Paul Craig Roberts

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Another false flag rumor which fits into this..........
Posted by: Prophit on Oct 9, 2006 4:08 AM   
Heard through different sources on the internet that there will be a sinking of a aegis class carrier (not sure of the term here or even if I got it right since I am not military) in the straights of hormuz and it will be blamed on the Iranians and that will be the justification for attacking Iran. Supposedly they are willing to sacrifice 5,000 sailors to cover for their attack on Iran.

If they do this and we do nothing at that point with advance warning as we have been getting, then we truly deserve everything we get. Even at my age I will have to take a stand and do something besides just talking. Since I am old enough then its a good way to go since I am nearing that time of my life anyway. LOL

The question I have is who will guard the inmates???? It won't be US soldiers since they have already stated in a poll that they wouldn't fire on American civilians, so we could just walk away. It would have to be UN Troops or Mexican troops similar to those brought into Texas during Katrina.

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» This wouldn't surprize me a bit Posted by: planet doomed
» Hmmmmm....... a target!!! Posted by: Prophit
» What's the plan? WHAT do we do? Posted by: thistleblower
done deal?
Posted by: karyse on Oct 9, 2006 4:22 AM   
I know it's difficult to imagine, but what's done in the legislature can be undone -- and we don't have to rely on the supreme court. If alcohol prohibiton can be repealed, so to can this idiot bill. And so too the patriot act, and so can we get rid of our so-called representatives.

This bill is so whacked, it includes sections that:
1) prohibits any court from acting on behalf of detainees
2) allows hearsay evidence
3) allows evidence obtained without a search warrant
4) allows the military judge to close the proceedings to the public
5) prohibits revealing evidence in favor of the defense if it is a matter of "national security"
6) in essence gets rid of a jury trial
7) prohibits detainees from invoking the Geneva Conventions
8) gives the president carte blanche in personal interpretation of the Geneva Conventions
9) strips u.s. courts of jurisdiction to intervene on behalf of alien detainees held in the U.S or abroad
10) and gets rid of habeas corpus (the gist of which is that one must be told what the charges against him/her are or be released, and must be told the evidence against them in a grand jury indictment).

I'd also like to point out that Spector (Republican - PA) sponsored amendment 5087 to strike the Habeas portion. All the democrats but one (Nelson - NE) agreed, and three other rebublicans voted with the democrats (Chafee - RI, Smith -OR, Sununu - NH)

The Habeas part of this bill will not survive, but I am convinced that that part was included to distract us from the other really scary stuff. Where oh where are the journalists. Imagine my surprise last week as I was researching this to discover that there was a Military Commissions Act of 2005.

Yes, reading Alternet and other supposedly alternative news sources, is just a "feel good" activity, because it sure didn't tell me ahead of time about this.

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» bookmark http://thomas.loc.gov/ Posted by: planet doomed
» RE: done deal? Posted by: ignition
And the beat goes on...
Posted by: oneyedjack on Oct 9, 2006 5:39 AM   
Yada, yada, yada and yada. Yeah, they're gonna lock people up. Yeah, they're gonna make people "disppear." Yeah, they're gonna do all this and more, and they will (continue) to get away with just as they always have done.
The largest, collective yellow streak in the Universe resides in the Amerikan psyche. We don't, won't, can't take to the streets and close shit down or break shit up because we are: busy with school, home, work, TV, I-Podding, keyboarding, MP3'ing, keeping up with the Madison Avenue fantasy, busy working on our next rant for the chat/board, liberal, progressive, alternative, AlterNet/MoveOn/PayPal'ing/Rhetorical Venting. Anything and everything but Revolution/taking it to the streets.
Looking for Mr. GoodBarPolitician in the cesspool that is known as capitalism. Ain't gonna happen bunky. You cannot petition the lord with prayer/petitions/elections/common sense/or dollars. Get a grip on reality folks.

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» RE: And the beat goes on... Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: And the beat goes on... Posted by: Knowmad
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» RE: And the beat goes on... Posted by: Knowmad
» Yeh! Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: And the beat goes on... Posted by: aussidawg
maninmoon
Posted by: maninmoon on Oct 9, 2006 5:59 AM   
Prisons have become and "industry" in this country. There's big bucks to squeeze out of the poor. If yo daddy ain't loaded, you are a walking goldmine. (if you're arrested) and the reasons for arrest are getting down to "improper posture" in bush's privilaged little world. I got a DUI because I was involved with a c..c..crazy bitch. who slashed my tires AFTER punching me and breaking my glasses. A hospital security geek called in that I was drivin erratically. (in a blizzard with two flat tires) I was like 1 point.point, over. You would not believe the expenses. I wish I still had the bill just to publish. There were also about a dozen "fees" on there. They cherge you money to arrest you, "arrest report filing fee" was one, Like I say I can't remember them all but it was about 2 grand, BEFORE being talked into hiring an "attorney" who in the end did more harm than good. They charged for a hotel room where I had to attend a lecture on blah,blah, blah. License reinstatement "fees" Man it was/is just a total scam. And then they held me for 3 days, before I was allowed to buy myself out. (If I was broke I'd probably still be there) Then after about 3-4 grand, your "risk insurance kicks in for 3(?) years or so. It was/is legalized rape/robbery. It's an "industry". Why do you think there are so many "privately" owned prisons? Big bucks. Why do we have the hightest arrest rate in this country? $$$$$! It destroys families, (the poorer ones) robs you blind, ruins your credibility, kills your reputation, takes your home away, takes your kids away, embarrasses you to death, etc, etc, because you don't have the graft "required under law". If you don't have the money, they will bill you till the day you die. The "system" is worse than the crooks.
It is an industry gentlemen. a corrupt but very profitable one. And the main bastard behind the wole prison scam gets drunk, shoots a man in the face with a shotgun, doesn't even report it, and skips away "clean".
And justice? Forget about it. Ain't gonna happen til Bush is long dead. He's been busy setting up the rest of his rip-offs to kick in AFTER he leaves the "office" he stole to begin with.
Bush/Cheney are the worst slimebags that ever disgraced Washington.

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» IOW, you were driving drunk. Posted by: catnapping
» RE: IOW, you were driving drunk. Posted by: Maureen E. Mellom
» Don't forget Laura (do-good) Bush Posted by: countingdaisies
» Cops are rackateers Posted by: Burton
So now they're buildling concentration camps
Posted by: feduphoosier on Oct 9, 2006 6:26 AM   
Guess they already know the outcome of the November election (you should too - electronic voting machines are being installed as fast as they can be plugged in.)

My guess is that things will start getting very interesting around here when literally everyone in the country learns the elections are now fixed. It won't matter at that point if you are a Democrat or a Republican. Actually... it doesn't matter now, but no one realizes it yet. The corporations hold the strings. The real center of power is K Street.

Right now our government has nothing but thinly veiled disdain for 'we the people.' Think New Orleans after the levees broke. Look at New Orleans an entire year later. Our government doesn't give a ____.

So now imagine... after the November pretend elections, when suddenly everyone who voted blinks, wakes up, and realizes their Democracy has been toppled. They might be angry. (I'm already expecting this, so I'll be hiding in a cave.)

At that point, those who stole our government will start to fear us. An angry populace is a powder keg. Just look back through history.

And that is why they are building camps. Because they don't intend to stop what they are doing, and they are systematically dismantling our government so that soon, there will be no way to stop them. Then they will be free to lock us up. The Nazi's left the blue-print.

And perhaps the Democrats who are going along simply know something we don't. Yet.

It has now been just long enough that most of the people who watched the rise of Nazi Germany have died - and their children and grandchildren apparently weren't taught much about history. History comes back around. The only protection is vigilance. Guess too many of us out shopping.

Besides - it can't happen here. Right?

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Well, the ovens can't be far off...
Posted by: catnapping on Oct 9, 2006 7:18 AM   
Everything we predicted has already come true.

BTW, any links to that portion of the law which has now made this more possible? (dissernters are now enemy combatants?)

I can't find the part where he can have me detained for making this post.

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THE BLACK HELICHOPTERS ARE COMING!!
Posted by: TooDamnCool on Oct 9, 2006 7:19 AM   
THE BLACK HELICHOPTERS ARE COMING!! QUICK, WE MUST BAND TOGETHER TO FIGHT THE ZIONIST OCCUPATION ARMIES THAT ARE THE SPEAR TIP OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!

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I worry that even if the Dems take back congress...
Posted by: catnapping on Oct 9, 2006 7:43 AM   
Bush's Nazi-appointed USSC will carry on where Bush, Rummy, Ashcroft, and Cheney left off...

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there's something strange about this article...
Posted by: JP2 on Oct 9, 2006 8:06 AM   
...as other readers noted, there's something wrong with the blurb here. It seems to refer to a very much needed inquiry into the police-state initiatives to build prison camps. Nonetheless, the article itself just barely mention a rumor about one of them. Very disappointing.

I mean, it's ok that you brought to the front page a discussion about the disruption of rights and liberties. But about the camps, this is not how things should be done. With such a blurb there you are committed to give us some sort of inquiry and some evidence of the facts. Go talk to Greg Palast if you need an hint.

You know, it's been talked about prison camps for a while now. Illegal aliens are already the perfect excuse to experiment such facilities in Europe. Right now in Italy and Spain are detention camps where human rights are suspended, where people is detained without charges and mistreated, humiliated, beaten and tortured. A brave italian journalist recently infiltrated one of these facilities and reported on it, police forces behaving as animals and giving roman salutes included.
(And by the way, even in these European hell-holes 9/11 is always looming into the background... which is pretty disgusting and makes the 9/11 issue more pressing than ever. Because there every single policeman feels entitled to beat and crush a starving north-african who survived from a three days nightmarish travel across the mediterranean, on the grounds that "he's just a terrorist".)

It is very likely that what we know of Guantanamo and Abu Grahib it's just a scratch on the surface. 'Road to Guantanamo' compelling and horrible as it is, is probably just a glimpse of what really happens there. What the amercan government, 'defending freedom' is already issuing in terms of torture is just plain unbelievable, even if just half of the reports are true.
(And writing it on the paper! and having it voted by the congress! it's something even Hitler wouldn't have dreamed of. Because Hitler and Mussolini had to close their parliaments in order to accomplish what they wanted. Apparently, this is not needed in the U.S., because the parliament (democrats included) is there to lend a hand!! Incredible!! Is everyone under the spell of UFOs there? I really don't understand.)

And us the people... I think that we are all behaving just like the middle-class behaved when fascism arose in Europe: 'it doesn't concern me. It concerns those other fellows. There's no hurry to react', which is just what the corrupted political elite needs.
We are brought to accept torture and illegal detention, so that we share the guilt and we won't be able to speak against it when it gets really worse. By then we will only hope not to be seized ourselves.

So, back to the issue, the only way out of this is INFORMATION, and FACTS, this is where you should come into the picture. Please put some brave reporters to investigate the FEMA detention camps.
We badly need the facts.

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blatant mistake = mediocre article.
Posted by: ShoShenQ on Oct 9, 2006 8:16 AM   
I stopped readin' here:

quote:
"In 1798, the Federalist-led Congress, capitalizing on the fear of war, passed the four Alien and Sedition Acts to stifle dissent against the Federalist Party's political agenda. The Naturalization Act extended the time necessary for immigrants to reside in the U.S. because most immigrants sympathized with the Republicans."

1798 !? I thought the republican party was created 56 years later ??

reference:
http://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm

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deny them
Posted by: robmikejas on Oct 9, 2006 8:20 AM   
I'm standing in line with Tom Degan. Shitbags like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Hastert, Santorum, must face an enraged public starting with the November elections. Turn the tide and the newly elected will strike down the fascist agenda currently polluting our national governance. Deny McCain, Leiberman and their ilk a chance to prove their disengenuousness by voting them out of power . It is time for the new "silent majority" to sweep the cockroaches out the door.

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Scaring the people
Posted by: outlander55 on Oct 9, 2006 8:28 AM   
For the first time in my 50 years, I am seeing more and more Americans becoming afraid of the government. What is wrong with this picture. the government is supposed to look to the welfare of the people, not scare the shit out of them. If true Americans (those who believe in the Constitution) do not take to the streets, we are truely screwed.

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» RE: Scaring the people Posted by: Burton
Does anyone remember
Posted by: bookwoman on Oct 9, 2006 8:27 AM   
Keep in mind the film, "The Siege". Although released in 1998, its prophecy is amazing. American citizens being gathered up and put in camps because someone thinks they look like terroists. Americans can't imagine themselves being put in a camp, but it could certainly migrate that way.

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» RE: Does anyone remember Posted by: Akhenaten777
» RE: Does anyone remember Posted by: catnapping
Move-on's 3 million members to be first "enemy combatents" on the list.
Posted by: Gretchen on Oct 9, 2006 9:03 AM   
Now the GOP can get rid of Move-on.org's members--anyone caught donating to move-on will be immediately hauled off to one of the camps. Enemy combatents indeed!

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» Move-on thinks I'm Jenna Bush Posted by: planet doomed
Our President has a history of DUIs but was never arrested
Posted by: sarahk on Oct 9, 2006 9:10 AM   
Our alcoholic president has been given 3 DUIs--once with his 16 year-old brother as a passenger! Our vice-president has been given 5 DUIs. 8 DUIs and no arrests! It is good to be white and rich and powerful.
As a side note, our former Head of the Justice Department, Mr. Aschcroft has railed about the evils of drug users and worked hard to keep draconian drug laws on the books. Yet, his nephew, who was transporting enough cocaine across state lines to keep him jailed for life with no parole, was given just parole. Let's also mention Jeb Bush's daughter who was using cocaine while at a court-ordered drug treatment facility. If any of us had done this, we would been put in jail for many years. She got to finish the treatment program with no jail time. It is good to be a family member of the elite.

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Woops--I posted on the wrong article
Posted by: sarahk on Oct 9, 2006 9:11 AM   
November election?
Posted by: kingcherry on Oct 9, 2006 9:20 AM   
What make people think, the election in november will make a difference. Considering these are fascist pigs in office?

That old mindset, we'll show our displeasure by removing them from office through elections, will not suffice. They steal elections.

These criminals have been planning this for decades. Do you really think, they will give this kind of power up willingly?

All we have to remember, these people will do anything to stay in power. Anything!

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» Yes indeedy Posted by: HeroesAll
Links to info on Halliburton/KBR detention camps
Posted by: Gretchen on Oct 9, 2006 9:24 AM   
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/

Homeland "Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps
News Analysis/Commentary, Peter Dale Scott,
New America Media, Feb 08, 2006

Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says.

BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."

The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when."
http://robwire.com/?q=node/894
?Homeland Security To Build Detention Camps In The United States
Submitted by rob on Wed, 2006-01-25 04:55.
By Business Editors
(c) 2006 Business Wire
ARLINGTON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 24, 2006--KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL).

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

"We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support," said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. "We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed."

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts."

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Skeptical
Posted by: BobbyG on Oct 9, 2006 9:29 AM   
The KBR contract is reported to be for a maximum of $385 million. At Halliburton prices, that'll get us 35 tents, 14 double-wide trailers, and 10 cases of .5L Arrowhead drinking water bottles.

Internal gulag camps com? Dunno what to believe anymore. This smacks somewhat of tinfoil haberdashery.

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» Hey man Posted by: fifthworld
massive immigration
Posted by: karyse on Oct 9, 2006 9:47 AM   
er... did they mean to say massive Emigration? As far as I can tell, no one's beating the doors to get IN anymore, but there's an awful lot of folks wanting OUT.

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» RE: migration "best" places? Need input Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: Uruguay & Venezuela Posted by: LeftWright
» I've been wondering ..... Posted by: LeftWright
What to do?
Posted by: fifthworld on Oct 9, 2006 10:22 AM   
"Please don't murder me" -- the Dead.

It seems we're on the verge of having to get up and away from the desk, maybe go militia and hoard some guns, unless you want to do passive resistance; I haven't decided yet. My personality inclines me like Tom there, but my body and nervous system don't, with a seizure disorder from brain surgery. If you need medications, getting locked up or "interred" is not a pretty future. I'm trying to do all the healing I can NOW. Maybe I can regain health and full strength because we need to be serious warriors, of whatever variety chosen, and it will take a lot of faith to get through this time. We are outraged but not immortal, so rationing energy is important. Especially since our foods are largely poisoned or denatured, we're all diseased, and the only way to stay strong is to start hoarding as many supplements and dried power-foods - the green stuff, I like Hemp protein powder - and staying as clear of the manifold toxins around us as we can: electromagnetically, chemically, psychologically, spiritually, politically.

I don't think the elections will be good news (rigged), if they're allowed to take place. I think the new moon, around 10/21, will inaugurate the bombardment of Iran long planned because they prefer the darkness of that time of month for the air attacks. Then will come the lockdown at home, with cancellation of elections, then the roundups by your local militarized police courtesy of the enemy-combatant-suspects lists - and that's when we will have to defend ourselves. I don't have a gun, but I will get one and put up a fight before I die. I would also like to regain my full strength so that I can have the pleasure of kicking some Gestapo ass with my feet straight to their faces, just to say I did, or know I did.

Just some thoughts I had.

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Well, if an ultraconservative....
Posted by: mrcentrist on Oct 9, 2006 10:31 AM   
....was willing to murder 168 people by destroying the Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, of course ultraconservatives would be willing to round up liberals and execute them.

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EVERY HALLOWEEN
Posted by: Gaubladt on Oct 9, 2006 10:31 AM   
The Retro-active get out of jail for torturing card that the president gave himself is also unconstitutional. Reason-being: if he did it once, he can do it again, and again... thereby anulling the part of the constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual punnishment.
The United States could do it every halloween: "trick or treat?"

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End of Days?
Posted by: wisewebwoman on Oct 9, 2006 10:39 AM   
In every sense of the word. Nowhere anywhere do I see that the existing Dems could be in the pockets of the Reps, we know the Diebold machines are and the Supremes are, why not the Dems. It would explain just about EVERYTHING going on at the moment. There is no valid opposition or debate to any preposterous and outlandish seizure and trashing of the Constitution this Vile and Evil Cabal imposes. All we know for sure is they have wealth beyond our wildest dreams and are using it, why not to buy dissident voices? Just a thought. And yes we've passed on info on these new prison camps for nearly a year and no one has believed us. And it's going to get far far worse. Suspension of all civil rights and electoral process. Look at the lining up of nuclear warheads in the Arabian Gulf even as I write. Is it time for another civil war yet?

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“America: Freedom to Fascism� documentary by Aaron Russo
Posted by: freethink7 on Oct 9, 2006 10:44 AM   
Try to see this movie/documentary, it’s a limited theatre run at this point, but there are plans to expand this movie to other theatres/cities in the future. Also, there are plans for this documentary to be distributed on dvd:

“America: Freedom to Fascism� by Aaron Russo.

Unfortunately, prison camps for so-called dissidents are planned by this evil administration, but there are also a myriad of other nefarious plans this regime has in store for American citizens that are so Fascist, so Totalitarian, so Orwellian, that it’s downright chilling. Some of the other reprehensible plans this administration has in store for American citizens (explained in this documentary) are as follows:

Imbedded Radio Frequency Chips (RFID) Implanted Under the Skin to Track People
National ID cards (zee papers pleeze)
Perpetually rigged/fixed elections (computer touch screens/Diebold)
Dismantling of Civil Liberties/Civil Freedoms
Martial Law
New World Order = Stripping Other Countries of Sovereignty
Relentless unending worldwide wars (seizing assets)
Declaring US citizens as the enemy of the state
Prison Camps for undesirables (includes US citizens)

Although unpleasant to watch, this documentary is a wake up call to Americans about the deconstruction of this country. If you are at all concerned about the fascist-totalitarian direction this country is taking, if you are a patriot, if you believe we have a modicum of redress in these extremely important issues, please

Go to this website for more info: freedomtofascism.com

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I Noticed, Warned and Predicted when they will use the concentration camps
Posted by: KevinSchmidtSterlingVA on Oct 9, 2006 10:59 AM   
Check out these links about the new "NAZI Bill":

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/26/222819/321

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/27/1582/67382

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/28/211326/096

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Detention camps
Posted by: Deejwade on Oct 9, 2006 11:06 AM   
Given that this administration never tells the truth about anything, and always follows the path of their baser instincts, how can we NOT believe that these won't be used for dissenters? You're either with us or against us....even US citizens...and the more desperate they become to retain power (and build a Rethug majority/one party nation for the next several generations) the more desperate their actions will become. Pretending evil doesn't exist doesn't make it so...believing that American leaders are not capable of evil, though a common perception, ignores reality...it seems pretty evil to me to attack and occupy a sovereign nation that was no threat to us, just to be able to control their oil (and make Bush's good pals the Saudis' oil worth more, bringing them back from the brink of bankruptcy...thus staving off revolution there) with over 100,000 civilians and 2400 US troops dead, and thousands more maimed and lives forever altered...sickening and deplorable how we just continue to shop til we drop as the most heinous of acts are committed in our names because we live the fantasy that the US couldn't possibly be like the terrorists. Have we so dumbed down our understanding of democracy that we ignore our founding principles being trampled? I love this country, but our potential is wasted with this administration (who should be perp walked straight from the White House directly to Leavenworth)... My grandparents fled Germany in the 1930s because of what they saw Hitler doing...I'm so glad they are not alive to see the state of our union today, because it would only bring back painful memories.

Why are we so naive to think it can't happen here?

Here are two links to some articles on the KBR contract for detention facilities (there are many more, but URLs are too long for this message -- just google KBR detention centers for hundreds of stories)

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-27.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12078.htm

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They're just using fear to expedite the handover of tax dollars to their cronies
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Oct 9, 2006 11:31 AM   
This has been the pattern of this administration ever since 9/11 - another great example that I've been researching is the "Project Bioshield" initiative, which mostly seems to involve giving large quantities of cash to a handful of politically connected pharma companies, while neglecting public health.

The KBR-Halliburton contract is on an 'indefinite quantity/indefinite delivery' basis, so it's unlikely they'll do anything - and they probably have a whole slew of subcontractors, all of whom will take a cut, and at the end of the day the whole project will amount to some underpaid immigrants building a barbed-wire fence somewhere.

The massive ripoff of the public under Bush's public-private partnerships hasn't been exposed to much scrutiny, and I'm guessing that's because the primary beneficiaries also own most of the corporate media - and because of the deliberate use of fear to keep the public in a state of perpetual anxiety.

For an example of how this works, it's worth quoting an Oct 20, 2001 report from the NYT (directly after the anthrax attacks broke into the public arena):

"Fear, the New Virus Of a Connected Era", by Michiko Kakutani (excerpt):

"What people pull in from the Internet and television are those ideas and images they find most compelling; these "memes" - to use a term coined by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins back in 1976 - then spread from person to person through conversations, emails, bulletin boards, chat rooms and instant message. What makes a meme spread quickly enough to cause a cultural epidemic? In the book "Thought Contagion" Aaron Lynch suggested that anxiety-inducing memes tend to spread more quickly than others, because their carriers are driven by an urgent need to proseltyze....

The fear of anthrax infection is a very real and legitimate worry in an America still recovering from Sept. 11 and reeling from new reports of exposure. At the same time, however, it is also a remarkably hardy and widespread meme that has taken hold of the nation's collective unconscious - a mind virus spread by word of mouth and amplified by electronic media, an epidemic that has united the country, but united it in anxiety and dread."


Every once in a while the corporate media tells it like it is. This kind of 'mass consciousness engineering' is all the rage in outfits like The Rendon Group. Just say no to fear!

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Bai!
Posted by: Rin Daemoko on Oct 9, 2006 12:49 PM   
I think I should seriously look into investing in a pack horse/mule/yak, some warm sherpa clothing, and a lot of rice. Time to say good-bye to Western civilization. "Screw you guys, I'm going ... home?"

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» But Posted by: fifthworld
The illusion of democracy...
Posted by: SteveB on Oct 9, 2006 1:30 PM   
is just too useful to the American ruling class to ever do away with.

Why not continue the pretense? Why not continue with two parties that both follow the corporate line, a "free press" that publishes corporate propaganda, all while maintaining the illusion that we all live in a democracy?

This system is much more stable (and profitable) than any military dictatorship. If you think the corporate elites who hold the real power in this country are going to throw it all away just to keep Bush in office, you're wrong.

My prediction: now that the Republicans are no longer proving useful to their purposes, our ruling class will throw their weight behind the Democrats, who will mostly pursue the same policies pursued by the Republicans. The illusion of democracy will be maintained, and those detention camps will remain a figment of some people's paranoid imaginations.

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» RE: The illusion of democracy... Posted by: ChristySweet
Where do you people get this stuff?
Posted by: slydad on Oct 9, 2006 2:13 PM   
You know that there’s no truth to most of what’s in this article!

If you’re donating money to charities with known connections to terrorist groups, then you should be looked at. Most of the people that post on this web site probably ought to be looked at for that matter. But that doesn’t mean that you will be labeled an unlawful enemy combatant�. Opposing policy won’t get you declared an “unlawful enemy combatant� either. But organizing groups that conspire to do harm to the country should be. Even at that, they won’t be unless they are aligned with an outside terrorist group.

I challenge any of you to find anywhere in the history of the world where enemy combatants or POWs were extended Habeas Corpus. If you’re going to extend them constitutional rights, then why not extend to them the 2nd amendment too? I think that all POWs (detained enemy combatants) should have the right to bear arms! Yea! That makes about as much sense.

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Link for possible camps
Posted by: Topaz on Oct 9, 2006 2:23 PM   
I have come across a story about a facility in my city. In fact, I can walk out my front door and look right at it. It is the now closed Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility in Beech Grove, IN. They've put up high fences with razorwire, and have been putting heat/AC etc. in buildings that haven't been used in 20+ years. This article tells all about it. There is also a link on the page which will take you to a list of possible camp locations across the US. Talk about hitting home. As I said, this place is within walking distance of me. I am trying to track down a video about it, and as soon as I can find it I'll post it. They're building our demise as we speak.

www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_200103_internment.html

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» Video links Posted by: Topaz
» RE: Link for possible camps Posted by: SteveB
Already in the works
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Oct 9, 2006 2:28 PM   
1) The cross-training of UN troops on American soil. The 'schooling' of Latin American troops at our 'School of the Americas' torture training center. The presence of other nations' troops at our bases for 'training'. Mock 'training' for 'biological attacks' in US cities (rounding up citizens, quarantines, etc.) Notice that almost all SCHOOLS have high fences. Note the POSITION of the barbed-wire--- ever wonder why it points IN? Those fences aren't intended to keep mischeavious youths out but people IN. Those will be the first detention centers according the scheme.

2) Every street and highway sign has a sticker on the back of it. This identifies the location, distance to major highways, distance to hospital, etc. Almost all locations in the US have been remapped with these centralised identifiers. You'll read about this, sometimes, in the news as attempts for 'safe' evacuation routes from hurriances, snow storms, etc. Really its so central control can evacuate and invade. Note also, when decoded, the measurements are all in metric system per NATO and UN specs.

3) Gov't monitoring emails, phone calls, bank transactions "know your customer" regulations, library accounts, etc. Now reinforced with the new laws passed. BUT the big reason they do this is to also find out any 'dirt' on people (for use in blackmail ala Foley), for corporate espionage (to give to their corporatations), and lastly, so that they have a file on everyone so that, if the need arises, they can arrest people or discredit them (a whistleblower for example.)

4) North American Union, Transamerican Superhighways, NAFTA, NATO expansion, etc etc etc

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Bottom Line
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Oct 9, 2006 2:57 PM   
The writing finger having writ moves on. Either invest in shotguns and canned goods, stand your ground or get out. Reality does'nt give a rat's ass what you believe. Reality don't care what's right or wrong. If you believe in your way of life and you want to keep on living, go to a gun dealer now. These people aren't going to give you an option. Believing in justice got six million Jews dusted in Germany. It can happen here.

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» Ehhh Posted by: fifthworld
Let's have a party...
Posted by: SteveB on Oct 9, 2006 4:08 PM   
where we can introduce the folks who think Bush blew up the World Trade Center to the folks who think he's building gas chambers for us in Indiana.
I'm sure they'd find lots of interesting things to talk about.
Assuming they're not the same people...

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» I agree, but .... Posted by: LeftWright
An economic collapse and civil insurrection
Posted by: Uranus on Oct 9, 2006 4:47 PM   
has been a possibility the Bush administration felt it needed contingency plans to handle. Keep in mind these are psychopaths who think it a biological necessity to exterminate the 96% of the people in the world who are mentally normal. Consider yourself fortunate if detention and cremation is all you get from these nuts. I still insist their real plan is to provoke global nuclear war to achieve extermination, because it's faster and easier. They've had plenty of time to do it; however, their modesty of intellect added to their psychopathy has caused them to bungle that, too. It's just my opinion. In trying to make sense of what Bush & Pals do, it all becomes clear when one understands they are among the 4% of the population who are psychopaths. If you read up on it a little, you'll see it makes sense. And you'll see how very screwed we are.

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F*CKING NEO NAZIS
Posted by: Burtonger on Oct 9, 2006 4:58 PM   
This building camps business has been happening awhile now and the info was out some time ago. The conspiracy theorists have been warning about camps for years and everyone said they were just paranoid ? There is a psych joke," Some times just knowing the facts makes you paranoid".

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Well It's A Great Day...
Posted by: freeda'all on Oct 9, 2006 4:59 PM   
...for a koo de tay (coup d'etat)--I was thinking on this earlier in the week when I heard and then saw a large jumbo jet cross the skyline over Lincoln, Nebraska. It was odd because of the size of the jet, it's low altitude, slow speed and the fact that it was flying almost due west to east which is not a common route for jets out of our airport. It also didn't have a name on it (yeah, it was that low). It wasn't military either.

It got me to thinking about what Karl Rove's "October Surprise" might really be and how easy it would be to attempt a physical takeover of this country since most of our military is very far overseas, overextended & worn out, we have, at a minimum, 12+million undocumented foreigners roaming around and most Americans are too tired & overextended themselves to really understand or help if something happens.

Well it's a great day for a coup d'etat
What's gonna happen no one will say
They'll round us up and then throw away
Our hopes, our freedoms and our rights today.

They also have plans to 'take over' the internet & shut it down so I think we should all get busy researching the old ways of disseminating information, dig out the mimeographs, typewriters & correction fluids (loved that smell first thing in the morning), printers and copy machines.

We've got a lotta work ahead of us now.

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Well It's A Great Day...
Posted by: freeda'all on Oct 9, 2006 4:59 PM   
...for a koo de tay (coup d'etat)--I was thinking on this earlier in the week when I heard and then saw a large jumbo jet cross the skyline over Lincoln, Nebraska. It was odd because of the size of the jet, it's low altitude, slow speed and the fact that it was flying almost due west to east which is not a common route for jets out of our airport. It also didn't have a name on it (yeah, it was that low). It wasn't military either.

It got me to thinking about what Karl Rove's "October Surprise" might really be and how easy it would be to attempt a physical takeover of this country since most of our military is very far overseas, overextended & worn out, we have, at a minimum, 12+million undocumented foreigners roaming around and most Americans are too tired & overextended themselves to really understand or help if something happens.

Well it's a great day for a coup d'etat
What's gonna happen no one will say
They'll round us up and then throw away
Our hopes, our freedoms and our rights today.

They also have plans to 'take over' the internet & shut it down so I think we should all get busy researching the old ways of disseminating information, dig out the mimeographs, typewriters & correction fluids (loved that smell first thing in the morning), printers and copy machines.

We've got a lotta work ahead of us now.

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» RE: Well It's A Great Day... Posted by: albrechtkrausse
STORM THE POWER!!! TAKE TO THE STREETS!!!!!
Posted by: outinforce on Oct 9, 2006 6:19 PM   
I cannot believe how fascistic the current administration is.

It is time to TAKE TO THE STREETS -- NOW!!

FORCE THEM OUT OF OFFICE -- NOW!!

The elections may be TOO LATE!!

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Bogus List
Posted by: Campesino on Oct 9, 2006 6:38 PM   
I have come across a story about a facility in my city. In fact, I can walk out my front door and look right at it. It is the now closed Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility in Beech Grove, IN. They've put up high fences with razorwire, and have been putting heat/AC etc. in buildings that haven't been used in 20+ years. This article tells all about it. There is also a link on the page which will take you to a list of possible camp locations across the US. Talk about hitting home. As I said, this place is within walking distance of me. I am trying to track down a video about it, and as soon as I can find it I'll post it. They're building our demise as we speak.
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Sorry, but I reviewed areas in California that are on this list that I am familiar with and there is nothing to any of it.

Vandenberg AFB - I have been to the SLC-6 area within the last year and there is no such structure in existence.

Norton AFB - I have also been on the old airbase. It is now an "industrial" airport with air maintenance facilities on it. Nothing spooky.

Ft. Ord - This place has been converted to the Cal State - Monterrey Bay campus. Maybe the students feel like they're in prison, I don't know

I saw a different list a while back that talked about an operating prison in Palmdale that even gave a street address. I drove past there last month and it was a pumping station for the California Aqueduct

Have fun with your spooky stories

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Ducky
Posted by: Ducky on Oct 9, 2006 6:49 PM   
I also read about this last year, you need to follow the thread to where the contract went. Which just happens to be the Army Corp of Engineers. It's more than 1 detention camp and if I remember correctly Colorado is one state. The Army Corp has pages of exactly what they will be doing as far as feeding, housing and any violence they may encounter once said dissidents are incarcerated in the new camps!

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Pocket Veto!!!
Posted by: danwp on Oct 9, 2006 9:25 PM   
Ok it has been ten days I believe since this was passed and I have read or heard nothing about Bush signing this bull shit. Am I correct?

IF so:
Congress is not in session and 10 days have passed and it has not been signed, so would that make this a pocket veto?
Or am I missing something?
Did he sign it in secret?
Did he not sign it but it became law in 10 days because congress WAS in session for some of that time (if so, why didn't he sign it?)?
Something is really, really fishy here.

http://tinyurl.com/79rc7

E.
The President - the bill is sent to the President for review.
1. A bill becomes law if signed by the President or if not signed within 10 days and Congress is in session.
2. If Congress adjourns before the 10 days and the President has not signed the bill then it does not become law ("Pocket Veto.")
3. If the President vetoes the bill it is sent back to Congress with a note listing his/her reasons. The chamber that originated the legislation can attempt to override the veto by a vote of two-thirds of those present. If the veto of the bill is overridden in both chambers then it becomes law.

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Possible post-election scenarios
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 10, 2006 1:39 AM   
If the implications of this story are true, and as yet I'm unconvinced, then let's integrate this into the upcoming elections and their possible aftermath:

1) The GOP continues to steal elections and maintains majorities in both houses.

a) The American people groan but continue on with the farce our "democracy" has become, thinking "what's the point, they're all corrupt."

b) The American people begin a popular uprising against the clearly corrupt political elites. (see below)

2) The Democrats win back the House and slowly begin investigations with no talk of impeachment.

a) The American people groan but continue on with the farce our "democracy" has become, thinking "same old blame game."

b) The American people begin a popular uprising against the clearly corrupt political elites. (see below)

3) The Democrats win the House and the Senate and begin immediate investigations and Nancy Pelosi calls for Bush/Cheney's impeachment. (see below)

It's January and now the real fun starts....

An "Avian flu" pandemic (it's flu season, remember?) hits both coasts first (where the progressive activists live) and FEMA kicks in and begins "evacuating and quarantining" massive groups of people to remote locations to contain the pandemic. Some are sick, many are not and resist, this forces the government to declare martial law and the train cars appear to haul any and all who resist away. Those taken away die quickly (and out of sight) and are buried/burned quickly to prevent further contagion. After 3 to 30 million die a vaccine is finally available in quantity to save the rest.

The pandemic sweeps the globe, ravaging every continent and hitting some countries, including India, Iran, China, Russia and Venezuela, especially hard. The global economy slows, demand for oil decreases and the energy squeeze is put off for another 10 - 20 years.

(keep in mind that several brilliant microbiologists have mysteriously died in the last few years)

They committed mass murder in Manhattan and will stop at nothing to stay in power.

I know I'm on the list, are you?

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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Please get involved with this conference if you can
Posted by: wake_up_america on Oct 10, 2006 2:10 AM   
It's important to get involved if any of you can attend the upcoming event on Oct 15 thru Oct 17 in Washington. It will be put on by the ACLU. The conference is called Stop Abuse of Power Stand up for Freedom. The link is to long and I can't post it. But you can visit my site or Daily Kos for the link .

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This article is very misleading and is not even slightly factual
Posted by: alan27 on Oct 10, 2006 9:34 AM   
Show me where this includes Citizens: see below. Ive read most of the report and have not found anything suspicious. No mention of slave camps.




"Military Commissions Act of 2006 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)

`Sec. 948a. Definitions

`In this chapter:

`(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT- (A) The term `unlawful enemy combatant' means--

`(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces); or

`(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense.

`(B) CO-BELLIGERENT- In this paragraph, the term `co-belligerent', with respect to the United States, means any State or armed force joining and directly engaged with the United States in hostilities or directly supporting hostilities against a common enemy.

`(2) LAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT- The term `lawful enemy combatant' means a person who is--

`(A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;

`(B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or

`(C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States."

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» Citizens not excluded Posted by: SteveB
nikolai
Posted by: nikolai on Oct 10, 2006 10:49 AM   
The bottom line is that we are screwed no matter what. At least the old(er) and middle-aged Americans have experienced America at it's best; I feel for the youth of America; what the hell is left for them? I figure it this way; our major industry is just about shot (look at the automotive, garment and steel industries, for example) and we have gone to a service-based economy, more or less. The neocons saw this coming years ago, and have been positioning themselves ever since (remember the "trickle-down" effect?)
There is no real U.S. economy anymore, at least not like there used to be, just the service industry economy we are living with today. Look at where the real money is being made; artificial wars (Iraq/Afghanistan) with artifical contracts (Haliburton/Betchel/Carlyle), with artificial police organizations (homeland security, DEA, ATF, etc) designed to control the populace and grab/bleed off the last of our money and resources (no, they don't miss much). These neocons are not stupid, they have set themselves up quite nicely; either way they win. They know that the U.S. economy is becoming worthless, so they are "inventing" an economy, kinda like "creative accounting." They've learned well from their good buddies at Enron; BTW, how's Tahiti, Ken? As far as the WTC/9/11 disaster/attack, I think we would be suprised at what really happened -vs- what we think happened; I would bet dollars to donuts that the gov't just really fouled up, and the terrorists knew exactly when to strike, and did so almost perfectly, exposing serious security flaws in the U.S. "intelligence network" (this is possibly why we now have the NSA spying on everyone and the wonderful catch-all "Patriot Act") perhaps even breaking into gov't networks to see that NORAD wouldn't be flying, rather than the gov't plotting, which when you think about it is pretty damn bad in terms of negligence in itself. As far as the 911 Commission Report being full of lies; it's probably just bad documentation (laziness), and thinking no one would call them on it (stupidity), and merely trying to cover up their incompetence of the handling of 9/11 and the events surrounding it more than anything else.
Maybe our gov't was just lazy and stupid, but now they are lazy, stupid and (more) dangerous; after all, that has always been the solution with the U.S. gov't; work hard, not smart, throw money at more police agencies and bad blanket laws and act like you are doing something when you are scrambling, stumbling and fumbling. If the U.S gov't was a business, it would have gone bankrupt long ago. At worst, the gov't knew something was going to happen (a new Pearl Harbor) but did nothing to stop it, (or was unable to stop it)which is negligence and incompetence, which is almost as bad. Controlled demolition? Could be, possibly out of concern that such tall bldgs would cause much more damage if they fell on their own, and oh, BTW, let's get rid of that pesky bldg #7 with those troublesome Enron, Worldcom and CIA records while we're at it; now is a convenient time, afterall... Now, last but not least, the American gulags... I haven't seen any of these for myself, but there IS evidence they exist. Hey, it's a money-maker, right? I'm thinking they are building these figuring once they get the trans Mexican-Canadian hwy built, there may be a butt-load of aliens crusing thru that will need to be detained, and they may also come in handy when the propped-up neocon economy collapses, too. Who knows, they may be planning the collapse now, or, what I personally think is that they have forecasted a major "downturn" in the ecomomy between such-and-such a date (after all, a house of cards is eventually going to fall ) and feel they need to be prepared for the inevitable, which would of course be to protect themselves as much as control/contain US.

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» RE: nikolai Posted by: Burton
Detainee Rule for Aliens Only?
Posted by: janice444 on Oct 10, 2006 11:47 AM   
I've read through the Detainee Act and it seems to me to only cover "alien" illegal non-combatants. In other words, my sense was that American citizens can not (yet) be hauled away for contributing to "terrorist"-designated orgs. Am I misreading this?

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» Subchapter I, Sec. 938a(4) Posted by: Uranus
nikolai
Posted by: nikolai on Oct 10, 2006 1:01 PM   
Janis, not to be a jerk, but get a clue; they can change the law at their slightest whim; you have seen already they are doing exactly as they please, no matter how greedy, stupid or dangerous it is... What's to keep them from creating a "situation" or a "national emergency" and declaring martial law?

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Bush's ever-changing justifications for detention centers
Posted by: don't render me on Oct 10, 2006 6:54 PM   
The detention centers crop up periodically in the press. Bushco has justified the need for "detention" centers (read internment camps ala WWII). If memory serves, he has claimed they will be needed in the event of a pandemic, such as the bird flu, although I haven't heard much about that particular scare tactic in awhile. Bird flu was also be the justification to "supplement" local police with the military, another Bushco aim not too long ago. Oh yes, I believe we also were supposed to need detention centers in the event of massive deportation of immigrants. You know, the latest group to be scapegoated during these fear and hate driven times. Lastly, I believe the detention centers were supposed to house victims of natural disasters, like Hurrican Katrina.

This is some seriously scary sht. The vision of Haliburton-built detention centers in the U.S. is the perfect symbol of the fundamentally fascist soul of this whole neo-con project. My deepest hope is that the detention centers will be converted into no-kill animal shelters by the next administratiion..

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Satellite Photographs of Halliburton's American Internment Camps
Posted by: AngelsForTruth on Oct 10, 2006 10:18 PM   
If anyone can verify or disprove these photos, or reveal their locations, please email me.
Lisa@ the website listed.
Resurrecting Liberty/Halliburton's American Concentration Camps

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Go Here
Posted by: mel216 on Oct 10, 2006 11:04 PM   
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=-9146698239042440062&q;
concentration camps

everyone that wants change needs to do something about it and join the movement www.worldcantwait.org

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Play it again, "W"
Posted by: Burton on Oct 11, 2006 12:39 AM   
Why be so surprised? We have had the government at war with the people for over two decades since the inception of the "war on drugs". The prison populace has been expanded greatly as a result. We've had the militarization of law enforcement. We've had the Bill of Rights torn up by no-knock raids, roving wiretaps, asset forfeiture, drug testing, ad nauseam.

And most Americans cheered on this war against themselves. So why shouldn't the government take it to the next stage via the war on terrorism?

To paraphrase "Casablance":

"I am shocked, shocked, to find a prison-industrial complex."

"Here are your prison-industry stocks, sir."

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Suggestions (if not too late)
Posted by: JWalker on Oct 11, 2006 9:57 AM   
This is a great idea.

To make sure no one misses the point, let's build it where it can be seen by millions, not some Bulgarian backwater.

Two suggestions, Liberty Island or Ellis Island. If the former, that silly statue could be knocked down, Saddam-statue-style. Live on Fox.

Not a girly camp type facility, no sir, but a massive, flat black, windowless, concrete high-rise, say 92 stories (beats 911, get it?), with searchlights at night, an unforgettable sight.

That'll learn the rest of the world a lesson, that Dick Cheney ain't fooling around.

Pseudo-Democracy Ãœber Alles!

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Fantasy
Posted by: DoctorAndy on Oct 11, 2006 3:11 PM   
History will conclude that 911 was an insider controlled demolition. The Perps know it, the Feds know it, the global community, scientists and engineers know it and over half of Americans know it. Yet the Mainstream media continues to propagate the myth that Moslem terrorists did it.

The reality will eventually tear America apart, but since it is bound to come, why not NOW?

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Everyone's Got to be "Tough" and Forget Freedom of Speech
Posted by: edith on Oct 13, 2006 1:08 AM   
not only did Bush pile on more ways to jail people for expressing their opinion, but Clinton and the Democrats started this new round of MCCarthyism six years before 9/11 with the passage of the Anti-Terrorism Act that decalares advocacy of what a terrorist organization wants a crime. I found it interesting that when Bill Clinton heatedly denied his faults in stopping 9/11, he didn't use his repessive legislation as proof that he is "tough" on terrorism. The same bipartisan hypocrisy on civil liberties happened under Truman who was terrified that the Republicans would outflank him by passage of anti-Communist legislation that for the most part criminalizzed speech. In 1952, Stevenson the great "liberal" tried to reassure voters that he too was "tough" on communists, domestic and foreign. One terror incident in the US and the Democrats will fall over themselves to outPatriot the Neoconservatives.

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US Planning to Hold It's Citizens in FEMA Prison Camps
Posted by: sabr on Oct 14, 2006 11:52 AM   
It's not just paranoia. There is a psychic, his name is Sean David Morton. In at least one of his newsletters around 1999 or so, he gave the locations of these FEMA camps. At the time he did not know why they would be having millions of Americans kept there. He thought it would be from a national disaster (like Katrina), he gave locations throughout the U.S. where these things would be. Who is Mr. Morton, he was one of the psychic warriors who worked with the U.S. Military on the Stargate program, also called Star Wars. Remember Reagan? He said we needed Star Wars technology in space to protect us from Russia's weapons, and that seemed reasonable, everyone bought it. Well, they only told people half of it, the technology was designed not just to safefuard the American people but also to be able to launch weapons at any other nation of the US's choosing to subdue them. In 2020 our govt. expects to conquer space in a program called Spacecast, they can manipulate the weather to effect other countries fighters. They will stop at nothing to achieve their domination of anyone, anywhere. Morton quit the govt. because what they were planning was so morally disgusting he could not help them with their goals. He is doing a conference in New York City next weekend actually Friday 10/20, Sat. 10/21, Sun. 10/22. If you don't believe me, show up and ask him. You won't believe the other things he has to tell you about the world's future, but it would be good for you to find out.

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if you can't say something nice
Posted by: mwildfire on Oct 19, 2006 6:29 AM   
I've been keeping my mouth shut some lately because of this--not wanting to demoralize others--but the original poster does have a point. Pretending the American people are "free" and "brave" isn't going to accomplish anything--people who live elsewhere may choose to be polite but we who live here, and have been beating our heads against the apathy, ignorance and refusal to take adult responsibility of our fellow Americans for decades, need to at least start by calling a spade a spade. I've come to think the only answer is emigration, and hope that the outside world will put a stop to this--it wasn't the German people who stopped Hitler. And, the notion that electing Democrats will solve the problem is about as realistic as the notion that Lucy will stop yanking the football away from Charlie brown's foot. How many times do they have to show themselves for what they are? The only hope is in masses of people in the streets, general strikes, etc. Where you live, can you see that as a realistic possibility? It sure ain 't gonna happen in West Virginia.

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Bush is pure evil
Posted by: vkobaya on Nov 2, 2006 7:15 AM   
In his 1928 dissent in Olmstead v. United States, Justice Louis Brandeis cautioned, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."

Awe, bunk! Men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding? Bush may be without understainding but his only zeal is to grind the Constitution and Bill of Rights under his heal as he installs himself as dictator for life. Anyone who thinks Bush will relinquish power on January 21, 2009, has smoked too much funny weed ... or likes breathing sand.

We can expect Bush to continue to exploit 9/11 to strip us of more of our liberties.

If Bush surrendered power on January 21, 2009, he knows he would be sitting in jail that afternoon and be tried for treason, and crimes against the nation. He knows he can never relinquish power as do all of his administration.

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