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Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Boycotting the Al Maghrib Institute

Recently, it has come to my attention, that one of the instructors of the Al Maghrib Institute has accused the late Shaykh Alawi al-Maliki of propagating blatant shirk.

I have personally engaged in various debates with Abu Ammar whose incogent criticisms of the Ashari aqeedah and tasawwuf is more of a proof of his own ignorance than of any defects in those aspects of ahl us sunnah waal jamaah.

I have called upon Abu Ammar to bring substantive proof of his claim. If he cannot, then he should retract his statements.

If he does not do so, I will immediately begin organizing a boycott of all Al Maghrib events and programs, starting in Maryland.

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Shaykh Abu Ammar's Original Post

Salaam Alaikum

While it is the general policy of Al Maghrib not to quote individuals, I make exceptions in certain cases - this being one of them. Alawi al-Maliki is one of the most revered of modern Sufi personas - to speak evil of him is tantamount to apostacy in the eyes of many of his followers. For them, he is the leader of the awliya of Allah.

Yet, it is no exageration to state that he was one of the most active proponents in our times of blatant acts of shirk (in all three categories - please read some of the quotes that are in Abu Yusuf's message in Arabic, and I can assure you that I've read them in the original sources and they are accurrate). How is it possible that he be of the awliya of Allah when he spent most of his energies directing mankind to worship the 'awliya' instead of Allah? Anyone who doubts this statement of mine should read his quotes again - with an open and honest mind.

The sad fact of the matter is that for most Sufis it is simply taboo to mention anything negative about this person. I personally have seen 'moderate' Sufis, when quoted ideas and statements that al-Maliki propogated, vehemntly deny that Sufiyyah has anything to do with such concepts, yet when they are shown *who* said them they become defensive and try to find excuses for this 'wali'.

All one needs to refute his concepts is the detailed evidences that we presented that the Jahilliyah Arabs believed in Allah as a Rabb, and committed shirk in their worship. All of al-Maliki's justifications of shirk in uloohiyyah and asma wa al-sifaat center around his premise that the Jahilliyah Arabs did not in fact believe in Allah as a Rabb (hence he is so concerned in his 'Mafahim....' to prove this point - in direct contradiction to explicit Quranic evidences that prove the contrary).

His book has been refuted in numerous other works - some of them are referenced in these other posts above. It is a further indication of the gap between the people of kalaam (who, in the early part of their history, had nothing to do with such shirk) and the people of the Sunnah that his book is prefaced by almost a hundred 'tazkiyahs' by the major Sufis/Mutakalims of our times. As I've said over and over again, far more dangerous than the differences in the Sifaat between us and the Mutakilimun is the differences in the understanding of the kalimah.

Wa Allah alam....


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Obituary of the Shaykh

By Mostafa al-Badawi

Just before dawn on Friday the 15th of Ramadan of this year the Muslim community lost one of its most eminent scholars and men of Allah. Sayyid Muhammad 'Alawi al-Maliki came from a long line of eminent scholars, Idrisi sharifs connected to the Prophet, may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him, through Imam al- Hasan, may Allah be pleased with him. His ancestors came from Morocco many centuries ago and settled in Mecca. The custom in Mecca has always been to use the title Sayyid for the scholarly among the descendants of Imam Hasan and Imam Hussein, reserving the title of sharif for the rulers of Mecca, until the modern day Saudi era, for the martial, warrior scion amongst the ahl al-bayt. Thus it was that the newcomers retained the surname of Maliki, that of their illustrious ancestor Muhammad al-Maliki, whose North African origin made him a follower of Imam Malik in matters of jurisprudence, and the title Sayyid for being scholars, not warriors.

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Obituary to al-Sayyid Muhammad bin Alawi al-Maliki
By his student Fakhruddin Owaisi al-Madani

Al-Sayyid Muhammad bin Alawi al-Maliki was one of the foremost traditional Islamic scholars of contemporary times and without doubt, the most highly respected and loved scholar of the holy city of Makkah. He was a grandson of the Prophet (Sall Allahu ‘Alayhi Wa Sallam), leader of the Ahl ul- Bayt, the Imam of Hadith in our age, an authority of the four Madhabs, a spiritual leader of the highest caliber, caller to Allah, and unparalleled in his standing in the world of traditional Islamic scholarship.

A visit to him was one of the musts for the Ulama who visit Makkah.

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AS-SAYYID MUHAMMAD IBN ALAWI ABBAS IBN ‘ABD AL AZIZ AL MALIKI
By Shaykh Seraj Hendricks, Head Mufti of Cape Town, South Africa

The Sayyid is a descendent of the prophet Muhammad (Blessings and Salutations of peace upon Him) through Imam Hasan, a grand-son of the prophet. He is a contemporary Saudi Arabian scholar of Tafseer (interpretation of the Qur’an), Hadith (the sayings of the Prophet), Fiqh (Islamic law), Aqeedah (tenets of faith) and Seerah (Prophetic biography). He is the most highly acclaimed and respected scholar (Shaykh) in Makkah (Mecca). He was born to a family of traditional Maliki scholars of ancestral residence in the Holy City. His grandfather was the Qadi (Chief Judge) of Makkah and an Imam of the Holy Mosque, the site of the Ka’bah.

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Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi ibn 'Abbas ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz al-Maliki al-Hasani al-Makki

By Aqsa Publications

Shaykh al-Islam fil-Balad al-Haram, the educator of Ahl al-Sunna and light of the House of the Prophet r in our time, a major contemporary Scholar of Hadith, commentary of Qur'an, Law, doctrine, tasawwuf, and Prophetic biography (sira), the most highly respected authority of Ahl al-Sunna in the Mother of Cities, passed away in 1425/2004. Both his father (d. 1971CE) and grandfather were the Imams and head preachers of the Sacred Mosque in Makka, as was al-Sayyid Muhammad himself beginning in 1971 and until 1983. Allah have mercy on them and continue to benefit us with them.

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Articles by Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad Allawi al Maliki:


- The Intermediary of Shirk

-The Invocation of Blessings and Peace Upon the Prophet (saw)

-The Ashari School

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EDIT:

Based on the naseehah of 'Ulema and students and seekers of knowledge, the boycott has been lifted.

May Allah (swt) grant us tawfiq and increase us in knowledge that benefits and allow us to make wiser usage of our time. Ameen.

52 Comments:

At 2:55 PM, mujahideen ryder said...

AlMaghrib is attractive because they have good marketing skills and build a good hype. I was even attracted to it. I took their Light of Guidance class and the Fiqh of Love Class. The first class (Light of Guidance) was general aqeedah stuff with about 15% of salafi aqeedah in there. The Fiqh of Love class wasn't that bad either. Shaykh Yasir Qadhi is hardcore against traditional scholars. I don't agree with many of his views. I am with you bro.

 
At 5:22 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Assalamu alaikum

Jazakallah khairun. InshaAllah, we should try a letter writing campaign.

masalama

 
At 5:46 PM, optics said...

Bismillahhirahmannirahim

as-salamu'alaikum,

glad others are awakening to the realities of this group.

p.s. added your blog to my links

-yursil

 
At 10:47 PM, Mr GQ said...

ALLAHU AKBAR!

Finally someone has spoken the truth publicly.

May Allah reward brother Yasir Qadhi and keep him on the straight path. Ameen

May Allah give us more brothers such Yasir Qadhi who will not fear anyone to speak the truth and tell it like it is. Ameen

May Allah destroy the Sufis/Asharis/Shias/modernists/whatever else that isnt upon the Quran and Sunnah. Ameen

 
At 10:48 PM, Mr GQ said...

Oh I forgot Barelwis and Deobandis.

 
At 8:07 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

Lol, GQ you are so funny.

Does anyone ever take you seriously?

 
At 9:05 AM, Mr GQ said...

I speak the truth thats why many of the Deobandis, Barelwis, Shias, Sufis dont like me very much (which doesnt bother me lol).

They all can go worship their saints for all I care. lol

These people are afraid to speak the truth. Im not.

 
At 9:19 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

I'm not afraid to speak the truth either, which is why I'm going to prosecute Al Maghrib to the fullest extant.

Care to join in, my brother in Islam?

 
At 9:27 AM, ghettosuperstar said...

jinnz

if you're serious about getting to the bottom of this, why not post sections of Sh. Alawi's work / views that caused Yasir Qadhi to view him as practicing shirk?

Post both sides of the story inshaAllah

 
At 10:56 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

Assalamu alaikum

There are multiple issues in this case and each one has to be addressed in order.

The first question we want to establish are his exact views on Sayyid Allawi and whether he still agrees with that position.

The second question is whether Al Maghrib supports his position or rejects it. If they support it, then the next question is whether they are justified in their position. If they reject it, then they should reprimand him and make their position on these sorts of issues clear.

masalama

 
At 12:26 PM, Mr GQ said...

AbdulHaqq,

I will not join you. I fully support Brother Qadhi and the rest of the crew.

I dont see anything wrong with what he did and said.

May Allah reward him and keep him on the straight path. Ameen

 
At 3:46 PM, sheikspeare said...

salams,

brother gq, yasir qadhi would laugh at you and your views. wel, no, hed just be disturbed.

masalama
your brother in isam

 
At 3:56 PM, Mr GQ said...

sheikspeare,

Hes upon the same manhaj as me and I know what his views are...

Does that answer you?

 
At 7:36 PM, Mr GQ said...

1. Jinnzaman, you are contradicting yourself. Whether you admit to it or not, you already did start boycotting them. You didnt even allow him to answer you and you went ahead and made it public. Sad.

2. People, do you really think you will stop people from attending/supporting Al Maghrib? lol Even Tableeghis here in Chicago area (which is full of them) are starting to like Al Maghrib.

3. The speakers from Al Maghrib are coming to Chicago on April 21st and 22nd so just watch Insha'Allah how far your boycott will go. lol

 
At 9:24 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

Akhi, you are entitled to your opinion.

If there was no possibility of success, than why so much uproar about the threat of a boycott? If Al Maghrib doesn't take it seriously, why try to shove everything under the rug?

I think the test of time will ultimately make the final decision. Maryland used to be a pretty pro-Salafi state. But within the last few years, the Salafis have been pretty much evicted from every major Masjid and MSA. The only real Salafi institutions are Al Huda and a few scattered musallahs in Laurel and Baltimore.

Where have the Salafis on Islamica gone? Why don't they post any more?

Its a bubble bro. It inflates, gets really big, people get dazzled, and then it gets popped.

:)

 
At 10:06 AM, Agnibeena said...

Sh Yasir Qadhi has the right to his mind. In usul-ul-din we dont do taqlid to any person. We use Quran & Sunnah and works of scholar down the hisotry. If we truly believe in that principle then we will be less troubled by his statements because its his choice to make that as a scholar. Creating movements to boycott almaghrib will end up perpetuating devisive mentality even more.

we gotta educate-agitate-organize

Also We should not be so happy that salafi has been evicted from mosques. Thats not conducive to brotherhood.

respond vile with goodness, thats one of the quranic principle.

 
At 11:22 AM, Real said...

Salam,

Wow man, strong stuff. I'm glad your anouncing it aloud on the internet but its best to respect them even if they've not any for others. so please brothers/sisters, we can show them their wrongs without even saying anything. Our actions will prove rightousness, and let the Ulama handle all the movement stuff. Oh yea and if you are an Ulama, then i'm sorry Ustadzi.

 
At 11:52 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

Shaykh Yasser has the right to his opinions and his opinions to consider people deviant and outside of the fold of Islam is entirely his own right.

However, this doesn't mean that it should be condoned merely because its a difference of opinion. The 'Ulema have expressed their disapproval of this type of mentality.

What can be more harmful to Muslim unity than proclaiming takfir upon 'Ulema whose understanding of the deen has been deemed authentic for over 1000 years?

This isn't a battle of personalities but a battle of understandings.

Not all scholarly intepretations of Islam are correct, some can be incorrect, if not downright wrong.

Shaykh Allawi has over 200 ijazehs, how many does Shaykh Yasser have.

Lets not fool ourselves, the opinions being espoused by Al Maghrib are systematically conditioning Muslim youth to discard the very methodologies which have historically preserved and united our Ummah.

If Al Maghrib can condemn our most elite scholars as being polytheists, what stops them from doing so from the majority of other Muslims?

It is in the interests of Muslim unity, the propagation of the deen, and true dialogue that these actions are unfolding.

Regardless if people agree or disagree with it, it has come out from under the rug and the forefront.

 
At 3:57 PM, Salahudeen UK said...

Yasir should be ashamed of himself.

Accusing someone who has passed away, and as so prestigous as Sheikh Alawi (may Allah enoble him).

A good point is who is he exactly, just a sheikh in a normal town?

Sheikh Alawis family taught in the HARAM in Makkah Al Mukkaramah as did the Sheikh himself.

Until he irrefutably refuted the scholars of Najd and so they kicked him out.

So if he defeated them in their home town, then who is this person making these accusations against him??

May Allah enoble him and protect us from Pseudo-Modernists. Dont worry i wont be using Al Maghrib again...

Walaikum Asalaam

 
At 4:19 PM, Mr GQ said...

Truth will prevail. Sufism wont.

 
At 6:18 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Mr GQ, you do realize that Sufism has prevailed in the Ummah ever since its conception.

I suggest you read this article to enlighten yourself:

Sufi Mujahideen

 
At 2:31 PM, Mr GQ said...

Abdulhaqq, Christianity is still around. Whats your point?

 
At 3:20 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Last time I checked, Christianity is declining all over the world?

How many Salafi scholars resisted colonialism?

Which Sufis were working with the British government to overthrow the khalifah?

 
At 8:39 PM, ghostrider666 said...

As salaam aleikum!!!

Brothers dont you think you are being a little hasty in this Boycott??? Won't this cause FITNAH and create division???

I can't help but think that when 9-11 happened people stereotyped all Muslims for the actions of a few. And we say its unjust. Now brothers are blaming an Institution of educated brothers for the actions of a few. Very sad.

 
At 1:58 PM, psykomantium said...

DAMN, GQ got burned like an Al-Safa Chicken patty! True Tasawwuf is halal and a science of Islam.

Salafism is a disease, as mentioned by Shaykh Nuh Keller (may Allah increase him)

 
At 5:01 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Ghostrider,

See the points above:

The unity of the Ummah can only occur through the transmission of the understandings of our texts as passed down throughout the ages. When knowledge is abundant, the Ulema are strong, then our Ummah is strong. When knowledge is scarce, are 'Ulema are weak, then our Ummah becomes weak. There is historical evidence that the greatest supporters and unifiers of our Ummah have been the 'Ulema and Sufis.

Hence, the article "Sufi Mujahideen."

Thus, attacking the 'Ulema through this proclamation of shirk is a practice that will ultimately destroy the unity of our Ummah more than any petty boycott will doe.

If people within the Al Maghrib Institute protested the practice of viewing the majority of the 'Ulema throughout the hisotry of our Ummah as innovators, polytheists, and disbeleivers, than this boycott wouldnt' be necessary.

 
At 12:05 AM, Islam said...

Jinnzaman, Abdul Haqq, whatever you're calling yourself these days..Ask yourself a couple of questions. Did you take every possible step in FIRST, talking in private with the Sheikh? The AlMaghrib Institute? If this childish boycott is indeed conditional, and you say that there is a chance he may have mis-spoken, then why not get that cleared up, why not give the brother his excuses, before publicly accusing him, of calling someone a mushrik. Before publicly degrading a Sheikh (hafizahullah). You and your disgusting movement has got to stop with these antics. You go around engaging in dialogue, trying to better the ummah? How is this helping? You have tried time and time again to stir up debates on the AlMaghrib Forums, to continuously get stumped by the Sheikh and fellow board members. (Ex: the tawassul thread, where you had no answer to what the Sheikh had to say).

I am especially dissapointed with Mujahideen Ryder, who is about to let this Knowledge that comes around only once in a lifetime slip away, becuase he doesn't want to be the black sheep of his family? Brother, you are a grown man, dont let your family(or ppl like jinnzaman) make decisions, as big as these for you. Use your own hikmah, Knowledge is knowledge and once you miss out, you have truly, truly lost. Don't let your sheikhs, or your parents make this decision for you. Leave AlMaghrib because YOU WANT TO LEAVE!! Dont blame anyone else. May Allah guide us all. And allow us to continue seeking knowledge from teachers such as Abu Ammar, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi, may Allah preserve him, and the AlMaghrib Institute, which has truly captivated the minds of thousands of people and has changed the hearts of even more.

 
At 3:11 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

Br. Islam,

Assalamu alaikum

You clearly haven't read anything regarding the boycott and instead allowed your emotions to consume you and wrote an emotional response.

With regards to the boycott, it is built on several conditions. If the conditions are not fulfilled, than the boycott will ensue.

I suggest you read the other comments before making yourself seem like a zealot.

Also, I'm curious as to which section of the forum I was "stumped" in.

It also makes me sad that you would condemn us for condemning Shaykh Yasser's comments towards Shaykh Allawi, but do not condemn the comments themselves.

If you believe that his comments towards Shaykh Allawi were wrong, by all means, prove it by openly condemning it. If you believe they were justified, then obviously, so is this boycott.

Anyhow, aside from being a groupie of this organization, if you have any personal statements directed to Mujahideen Ryder, you can say it to his face directly.

Cheerio

masalama

 
At 10:44 AM, Islam said...

Are you telling me that Sheikh Allawi is the first scholar something has been written about? Thousands of scholars get bashed and slandered everyday(including yasir qadhi), you don't see anyone boycotting them. I can care less about what Yasir Qadhi said about Allawi. My point was why not clear everything up with them first, before taking it public. AlMaghrib is a learning institution, why boycott a whole organization based on what one person said.

 
At 10:45 AM, Islam said...

And can someone please tell me what the hell a "traditional scholar" is?

 
At 10:51 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

Brother, do you not see the difference between "bashing" a scholar, and accusing him of propagating shirk?

If I say "Zayd openly fornicates", he may be a fasiq, but still a Muslim. If I say "Zayd committed shirk", then his iman has come into question.

How is anything in this boycott "bashing" Abu Ammar? It is merely asking him to provide for evidences to back up his statements.

What about Abu Ammar's statements saying Shaykh Allawi propagates shirk?

Can't you see the difference? Or is the brainwashing too effective to see that their is a world of a difference between bashing a scholar, and accusing him of shirk.

 
At 10:59 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

There is no such thing as a "traditionalist", there is only ahl us sunnah waal jamaah.

Abu Mansur `Abd al-Qahir al-Baghdadi defines Ahl al-Sunna as:

“Those that have completely mastered and codified the principles of belief [=Ash`aris and Maturidis], the Mujtahid Scholars of the four Schools of Law and their followers, the Scholars of hadith that steered clear of deviation, the Scholars of Arabic grammar that steered clear of deviation, the Scholars of tafsir that steered clear of deviation, the Sufis, the people making jihad, and the general masses of the Muslims.”

 
At 5:09 PM, ghostrider666 said...

As salaam aleikum!!!

I understand that there are some problems present and i DO support any positive action in ending this. But a BOYCOTT doesn't seem the best route to me. It will create FITNAH, something we have way too much of. In my opinion, I would try and level with the Shaykh and try and make them understand with Hadith etc. Make them realize how it feels to be in there place. And ignore Shaytaans whispers lest it lead you to sin.

This has happened before I believe. I don't want to jump the gun in saying this, but isn't there a hadith about evil scholars appearing before the end of time???

Brothers lets think of the worst case scenario. This Boycott thing has already appeared on ManiacMuslim and its only a matter of time before someone publishes in National Newspapers or comes on TV with some emotional brother or sister screaming about how BAD AlMaghrib is and how these scholars are this or that. Brothers lets try and not let it escalate to this level. Let's ask ourselves, "Is this what we want?"

I don't want that and I hope no one else does but it has HAPPENED IN THE PAST and let's not let history repeat itself!!!

 
At 8:00 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Br. Ghostrider,

Proclaiming Shaykh Allawi to propagate shirk is worthy of a boycott because he was attacked because of his understanding of his deen, which happens to be the understanding of the majority of the 'Ulema in this Ummah. In effect, Abu Ammar's indictment isn't an indictment against only one individual, but virtually all of the 'Ulema in the present and past times. This is why it is such a serious issue.

The purpose of the boycott is to force Shaykh Abu Ammar to present his proofs to the public and make them available so that other 'Ulema can see if they have substance or not.

Also, you suggested dialogue. Here is my question: what if Abu Ammar doesn't follow evidences but engages in the blind following of his teachers? In that case, no evidence will suffice. (is Abu Ammar even a mujtahid to begin with? How many ijazehs does he have?)

What would you suggest then?

 
At 8:46 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Takfeer cannot be tolerated.

 
At 9:19 PM, Muslimah said...

Go ahead, boycott it all you want. Allah SWT will do His justice. This is not the way of the Prophet sallahu alaihi wasalam nor his companions.
ALmaghrib has done nothing but good and may ALlah SWT protect them from the fitnah you and the likes of you create.

It's a shame that we have Muslims like yourself who resort to such behaviour and are keen on dividing our community like this.

Khair, Allah SWt will do His justice. All I got to say is, fear ALlah SWT.

 
At 9:41 PM, Islam said...

Abu Ammar, and AlMaghrib blindly following? hahaha. Brother you're the one that needs to open your eyes, because this boycott isn't from yourself. It is from your so-called Ulema, that propogate negative thoughts, and ideas, into the easily brainwashable heads about AlMaghrib. SunniPath, Zaytuna, come on I can go on and on. These institutions that have been around for nearly a decade are just mad they haven't been able to reach the masses like AlMaghrib has in just 3 YEARS! (That's if they even want to invite all the muslims) So instead they take the easy way out and just bash them in their secret little sufi circles. This isn't about what one Sheikh said about another. NO NO NO! This has been a long time coming. The 2 sheikhs who go aroung with "an agenda to fix the condition of the people" and the Scholar for Dollars on Sunnipath have been plotting slanderous attacks on AlMaghrib ever since it's existence. But will they come out and say it publicly. No. They use hot headed kids like yourself to go around and do their dirty work for them.

May Allah preserve AlMaghrib. May Allah preserve the The Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah and continue to give them success, in this life and the hereafter. And may Allah protect them from those who plot with evil intentions against them, verily Allah is the best of planners.
AMEEN
wasalam

 
At 9:51 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Lol, so this is what it has come down to: my Shaykh can beat up your shaykh.

The issue isn't Al Maghrib vs. Zaytuna or Sunnipath. I haven't even ever attended a Zaytuna event in my entire life.

The issue is takfir and whether Shaykh Abu Ammar engaged in it and whether he can provide proof for his claim and if he cannot, he should retract it.

If you don't know who Shaykh Allawi was, then perhaps it would be best to remain silent since you wouldn't be objective.

In which case, you'd be engaging in blind following.

:)

 
At 10:37 PM, themusliman said...

akhee, the differences that you are mentioning should be left for the ulema to sort out. its not the place for lay people such as us to get involved. how many of your "ulema" are willing to back you in your boycott? if any, please mention them and let them take the lead, otherwise defer to ahl ul ilm on issues that they need to work out. if anything, i've sensed that your "sholars" are advising against a boycott.

also, i would advise you to take a step back and check your intentions. if there is even an ounce of anything other than ikhlaas, this will only be a source of nadamah (regret) for you.
ghazali was shaikh al baghdad at his time, and he was good in debate, but that is exactly what lead him to go in his retreat.

also you must understand that these issues have been around since a long time before you came, even in america. not once has either of the camps called to a boycott.

 
At 1:13 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

The Musliman,

InshaAllah, I will reconsider the matter. The boycott may very well be counterproductive and excessive as a response.

However, I am still awaiting a response from Al Maghrib. Depending on the response, we'll go from there.

And yes, there are several 'Ulema who are willing to join in the letter writing campaign aspect of the boycott, but not necessarily the boycott itself.

 
At 6:35 PM, Abu Naajiyyah said...

now that i remembered my password i will post my comments.

i must say i fin this quite remarkable. its amazing how this jinzaman/abdulhaq is spewing completely nonsense, i have not seen a single ounce of commonsense

i challenge him to bring the comments of this alawi... that shaykh Abu Ammaar qouted...

post the translation brave man who speaks loud words

 
At 6:53 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

Okay brave man who challenges people to duels on internet blogs and thinks he's a knight in 16th century England, lets have a discussion. What is your e-mail?

 
At 12:18 AM, WhatItDo said...

Ah, the calamities that face the Ummah. U guys spent so much time and effort writing so much. I try to read it all but my tendency to throw up overcomes me. I mean... lets all try to STOP AND SMELL THE SUNNAH... AND STOP THE GUNNAH. If youre looking for success by pooping on each other's face, tough. If you are sincere, seriously.. just chill out. :)

 
At 12:50 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

"Smell the sunnah and stop the gunnah"

I'm sorry, that was corny.

But thanks, you are right, we should focus on ourselves and other things in our Ummah instead of bashing each other through blogs.

 
At 12:54 PM, WhatItDo said...

u think its corny.. alhamdulillah.
it makes sense and its better than anything u came up with :)
alhamdulillah, u agree. this is actually a fitna and a bad sign when there is increased argumentation to where arguing is just for the sake of arguement. arguing or as i like to call i debate should always have the GOAL of being CONTRSUCTIVE. and the foundation must be sincerity. AllahuALam. Advice to myself first and u all inshaAllah.

 
At 6:57 PM, AbdulHaqq said...

alhumdillah, we agree.

:)

 
At 4:10 PM, Mr GQ said...

Its obvious that the people who initiated the boycott of AlMaghrib are doing it because of the pure hatred they have for the "Salafis."

They dont want the truth to take care over since more and more people are waking up and snapping into reality.

They are looking for every chance possible to bring them down so the clown Sufis, Deobandis and Barelwi mushriks can be even more popular.

Oh and Jinnzaman, the reason why you dont hear about "Salafis" doing anything is because if they do try do something, they are killed or put in jail by haters (again the Sufis/Shias/Deobandis/Barelwis/etc.).

 
At 7:09 PM, ghostrider666 said...

As salaam aleikum!!!

I know one thing for certain, if the brothers here concentrated all the effort and time they are spending here on this blog thingy and getting more educated in the deen (alhamdulillah to see the concern for keeping the deen strong makes me proud! )and capable enough to REPLACE these scholars than we could see something truly amazing.

Brothers this is not just a problem at AlMaghrib, this is the situation in many places and frankly you should not think that these ulama are your only source. Where I live there are very few educated scholars (there is one but he is leaving)so what the Muslims are trying to do is invest in youth who are educated and active in the deen. Subhana ALLAH you are already very knowledgable so what I suggest is getting active in the community.

Rather than supporting or boycotting, form your own organizations and develop the skills to deal with the non-muslims in a way that will bring them to Islam!

 
At 9:17 PM, Journey2Islam said...

Everyone please read: Ethics of Disagreement In Islam. I dont have the authors name.. but its a great book that shows how the Prophet (pbuh) dealt with disagreements, the way the Sahabahs dealt with them, etc. Its a great book and will really show how far away we as muslims have gotten from the actual SUNNAH of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) and the great scholars of that time.

ALSO it would be a good idea for everyone to take RULES Of Engagement: Islamic Code of Ethics before continuning any more discussion on this matter.

May Allah swt guide US all on the right path. Ameen

 
At 5:29 PM, Londoner said...

AA
could i just ask what is Al-Maghrib and Zaytuna?
another question what is the Salafi view on the Madhabs?

 
At 1:37 AM, AbdulHaqq said...

Al Maghrib is an Ikhwani Salafi organization. Zaytuna is a Traditional organization. They both seek to purvey knowledge of the deen to the masses. With regards to the Salafi view on following a madhab, its fairly diverse. Some Salafis don't follow a madhab (they are a minority), some Salafis a particular scholar or set of scholar's understanding of a madhab (such as bin baaz or albanis), some Salafis follow a madhab in fiqh, but not aqeedah (these guys are also a minority)

 
At 4:33 PM, Umm Layth said...

We need to learn to stop being so emotional. I know this post is old but I see from both sides two extremes. Unfortunately, I think both sides in our times have lost their balance. Firstly, speaking about topics that the layman may not understand and trying to have people assume that someone is a mushrik without proof are extremes.

I see faults in Al Maghrib, mostly the fact that they try to teach topics in 2 weekend seminars such as on `aqeedah etc... that are supposed to take longer and serious understanding. But Zaytuna etc... are also ran by people who are so wishy washy in many aspects.

We need back our real scholars. Scholars like Ibn Hajr, Imam al Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Ahmad and Imam Malik and so on - the scholars who though believed in things that to some seem controversial never would have turned in a Muslim but at the same time would speak with proof and realized what topics were for the layman and what weren't.

There needs to be a balance. Unfortunately, this "traditional" way seems to have gotten lost in the west somewhere along with fear for the kuffar and unfortunately this "salafi" movement in the west seems to have hit that road too.

I just want to find muslims who are able to teach with proofs, not emotions and know their levels and teach their students their levels - without having to water down Islaam.

I guess this was more of a venting post after reading what I definitely feel are two extremes!

 

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