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Studios Take Claims of AACS Crack Seriously

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

December 29, 2006, 4:55 PM

After a daring programmer evidently seeking notoriety posted a relatively convincing looking homemade video to YouTube on Wednesday, purportedly showing an HD DVD video disc with AACS copy protection being cracked on a Windows-based system, a spokesperson for the AACS Licensing Authority told Reuters this morning it is seriously investigating the legitimacy of the claim.

It was the AACS LA that released last February - after production of high-definition disc components had already begun - interim specifications for how high-definition content must be formatted and organized to enable protection from components that will utilize AACS copy protection. The first wave of HD DVD and Blu-ray disc players did not implement AACS in full; most notably, they omitted the Internet-oriented clearing house scheme for mandatory managed copy (MMC), which AACS LA now says is optional.

But the key component of AACS is an advanced disc encryption scheme whose relative impermeability has actually been overstated more by those who would seek to crack the scheme rather than protect it. Over the past year, AACS LA has presented a surprisingly pragmatic viewpoint about the possibility, if not the inevitability, of the encryption scheme being cracked.

Yet AACS is a more complex scheme than its CSS predecessor for DVD, in that it enables new encryption mechanisms to be adopted and even retrofitted to existing firmware, if and when existing mechanisms are cracked. So one unexplored question in the wake of news that a fellow calling himself "Muslix64" has cracked the encryption mechanism on at least one, perhaps two, HD DVD discs, is whether the "self-healing" nature of the broader AACS scheme will minimize the damage from this crack, as it was originally designed to do.

Higher-level spokespersons for AACS LA have been contacted by BetaNews, and may become available after the holidays.

Partial source code for Muslix64's purported tool, called BackupHDDVD, was posted to a file posting service, which has mirrored access to the file. Members of a highly frequented DVD technologists' forum were able to obtain access to the Java code package, and have commented that it appears to be legitimate.

Based on BetaNews' analysis of the material seen thus far, if Muslix64's description of his eight-day task is accurate, then whether he actually, formally "cracked AACS" could be called into question. Promising to reveal more after the holidays - probably after stories such as this one have made the rounds - Muslix64 wrote that, in trying to adapt a method for his PC-based HD DVD drive to play a movie through his non-HDCP compliant video card to his new high-def monitor (a feat many high-def PC users are indeed technologically prohibited from doing), he discovered after learning how AACS works from publicly available documentation that the title key - the principal component the studios use to encrypt and decrypt the disc masters - are retrieved from the disc by his HD DVD player software, and then stored in an unencrypted portion of memory. In the video, that player software is revealed to be CyberLink PowerDVD 6.5 HD DVD Edition.

One element of the AACS scheme that distinguishes it from CSS is its use of a separate decryption key, called the revocation key because it can be revoked by the AACS clearing house in the event that discs using that key have been cracked. The result is supposed to be that the once-cracked media becomes unreadable by AACS-endowed players connected to the Internet.

If Muslix64's description is correct, then CyberLink may have committed a major blunder: Its implementation could actually leave the title key exposed, which a player could use instead of the revocation key for decryption of a copied disc, thereby bypassing at least one "self-destruct" feature.

"The title keys are located on the disk in encrypted form," Muslix64 writes in the Readme file for his BackupDVD utility, "but for a content to be played, it has to be decrypted! So where is the decrypted version of the title key?" He later answers his own question: within a database-formatted configuration file that PowerDVD at some point loads into memory, apparently in the clear. Elsewhere, the Readme file advises users to restrict their use of the program to HD DVD discs whose content they already rightfully own.

But even Muslix64's explanations leave open one possibility: that the title key exposure could be limited to just a few HD DVD discs.

"The design is not that bad," Muslix64 writes, referring to AACS, "but it's too easy to have an insecure player implementation somewhere. And just one bad implementation is all it needs to get the keys!...And the 'Revocation system' is totally useless if you use the Title key directly."

Conceivably, an insecure player implementation may not expose the title keys from every HD DVD disc, especially since AACS implementations have been evolving from their interim versions in February to reportedly more rigid, recent versions in recent months.

Nonetheless, the revelation of a new and perhaps successful attempt to back up HD DVD content to a more flexible form will, no doubt, resurrect the old arguments over individuals' rights to the content they purchase. Do they truly own the content they buy, and if so, how can they then be legally restricted from taking care of it by backing it up safely and securely? Or is the distribution of digital content via videodisc a form of "extended lease," whose terms of use can be protected and enforced automatically by copy protection schemes and digital rights management systems whose integrity can be likened to that of the most illustrious sandcastles? It's beginning to look a lot like 2007 will look and sound a lot like 2006.

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By Mystiqq

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 4:43 PM

Not like this wasnt inevitable, really shocking news.

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By Neoprimal

edited Jan 1, 2007 - 11:01 AM

In all of this, they'd make a great case for themselves in putting all these protections in their media if they allowed the discs to be exchanged if damaged.

Allow consumers to replace the disc if it is damaged/broken for a very reasonable fee. The price of the media ($1-3 + say, shipping $4)...or, allow stores to enchange it for a store fee, or even allow stores to offer disc insurance, pay $3 when you buy it, get a special digital or otherwise tranferable tag which moves with the disc (like a title for a car, sorry, can't think of anything else) and be able to enchange it if something ever goes wrong with it?

I don't know, but there are tons of methods which could be employed. Then noone would fear a damaged dvd, and therefore no reason for the everyday honest person to backup a dvd. Only people who'd want to cry about backing up are the real pirates who obviously have no conscience and see fit to 'back up' blockbuster dvds so they have it in their own collection. Problem solved. Ofcourse, the movie studios are pirates themselves, so this will never happen. They want everyone who damages a dvd to buy it back at full price, so they can kiss a$$. I hope it's cracked and not self-healable and boils down to a dvd with more space.

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By twosheds

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 3:33 PM

What about getting a replacement of 'limited edition' HD-DVDs, which may not be available even a few weeks after initial purchase? For this to work, stock availability would have to be guaranteed. You may end up with a different version of the film than the one that attracted you to buy it, or you may just get a voucher for equivalent purchase value. I don't think the idea is practical, given the endless coaxing and shenanigans the studios go through to make us buy the same movie over and over again.

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By ds0934

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 7:00 AM

Imagine if the same tack was employed when "buying" a car. You wouldn't actually buy it, but you'd purchase a license to use it. The auto makers would have the power to dictate how you could use your car. No loaning it. No reselling it. No opening the hood to modify anything. No forced recall whatsoever. Amazing that the software industry can get away with such a rip-off deal in this day and age.

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By The Man

edited Jan 1, 2007 - 7:51 AM

right on!
a car analogy.
:-)

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By vijai.sarathy

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 3:41 AM

I'm not allowing one bit of DRM to enter my digital world. If DRM is going to be shoved down my throat, I'll stay away from all new media rather than give up my rights to any fing studio.

We need freedom, not DRM. That said I'm glad he cracked it and all money invested in AACS is going to waste now or shortly.

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By gmarwah

edited Jan 1, 2007 - 3:07 AM

I don't know about who actually owns the contents of a disc once it is bought. But when a disc is damaged, the only person who loses money is the consumer under the present laws. So, if the companies are willing to replace genuine discs that have been damaged, for a price that covers production and shipping, then they can fairly 'ask' people not to backup copyrighted material.
Otherwise, everyone has the right to protect their property bought with hard earned money.

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By berthok

edited Jan 1, 2007 - 9:18 AM

Ah the voice of reason. A voice never heard in the world of business.

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By drumcat

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 5:49 PM

Both HD formats failed Christmas. That's a gift.

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By midfingr

edited Dec 31, 2006 - 3:35 PM

As far as I'm concerned, they can stick their HD & Blu-Ray DVDs where the sun don't shine. Too little to late. As pointed out, DVD is good enough for watching a movie - even XviD is fine. Personally I don't need or want an airport hanger to view media; a simple TV will do. In addition, there's absolutely no return on investment for the consumer; poor portability or interoperability with these kinds of schemes.

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By Phil Benson

edited Dec 31, 2006 - 8:57 AM

This treacherous system must fail. Instead of being directed at DVD piracy, it is aimed at the average PC user, who will not stand for it. We are not promoting piracy in any form, we only wish to play digital content on our own PC and perhaps make a backup, which doesn't hurt anyone.

Until we can do that, nobody will embrace that technology, with its oppressive schemes. If copyright laws become so restrictively stupid, people will take matters into their own hands, legally or not.

These harmful schemes only hurt innocent people. The movie pirates will just continue to duplicate. The movie industry won't even realize what is happening until after they've saturated the market, and this ability to update encryption won't make any difference.

As simple as decrypting keys, but even easier for professionals with extended resources. Nobody will feel sorry for them either. They've directed their unscrupulous contempt toward consumers, since they are powerless to defeat piracy, and instead wave their sabres over the large easy target of their loyal honest customers, labelling them thieves and pirates.

This is their war now, they claim. They make me almost as sick as their product with its over-inflated prices. Their solution it seems is not to accrue more sales of new movies, but to maintain higher prices (while reducing the price of old stock and B movies for the gullible)

It is poor business practice to overcharge. The low income people are the ones who may have the time and desire to view or buy movies if they could ever afford them, but since they can't, unless they're pirated, they may seek an alternative solution.

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By Neoprimal

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 11:00 AM

Despite what they say, their only targets arent genuine 'evil' movie pirates. It's mom, dad and the kids as well. Sure they lose money from commercial piraters, but they lose alot more when households crack/scratch a cd (which does happen, alot) and are able to simply back them up. A family that knows how, and does back up a DVD means a loss of revenue because that family will never have to re-buy a DVD that has been damaged, and this hurts the movie companies alot more. So they know exactly what they're doing. I'm borderline on both fair-use and anti-piracy because they both boil down to trust - you just can't trust that everyone who's backing up a DVD is doing so for themselves, they could very easily give it away to friends/family which is wrong. As for anti-piracy, well obviously, you can't trust these companies either because at the end of it all, they really just see money. They don't see the fairness in allowing people to get back their broken/damaged DVDs by any reasonable means.

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By DudeBoyz

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 7:41 AM

I hate DRM. I am pro Fair-Use, but anti-piracy.

But I am glad they broke this. The industry needs to learn that forcing this stuff down our throats is not what we want.

Stupid DMCA. One of the worst things Clinton ever signed. :(

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By Zarknoid

edited Dec 31, 2006 - 6:26 AM

The real solution to the problem (which is the same solution as the music industry) is to give the consumer adequate value with a price that makes it more inconvenient to pirate the movie or music. There will always be that young cracker with plenty of time on his hands seeking fame that will crack whatever protection is put to use. The studios are only buying a little time and they could put the money to use making better products instead.

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By Hollywood__

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 1:01 AM

I think that HD-DVD and Blu_Ray will both eventually fail. The whole concept is not to deliver better sound and picture to the end user.

It was designed to be completely controlled by the studios, the only way they can make it work is by offering movies in "true HD", the only thing standard DVD players can't do. People for the most part don't get more enjoyment out a movie just because it in HD, most people could care less about movies in 1080i/p.

Only the die hard videophiles really appreciate the difference. You have to consider the most popular sound format (MP3) in the world is also one of the worst sounding. Obviously, sound quality is not that important to people either.

My standard Samsung DVD upscales 480p movies to 720p via the dreaded HDMI connection, and it's not that far from HD-DVD or Blu_ray, both of which I own.

People will eventually get sick of this silly war and it's DRM infestation and it will eventually go away due to lack of interest.

I've been a Blu-Ray hater from day one, and HD-DVD is no better when it comes to studio control. At least I did the smart thing and bough a gaming system that can play Blu-Ray and the add-on for my 360 so my total investment in the HD movie format is 200 bucks.

If you look at the numbers at www.thedvdwars.com , HD-DVD was kicking a** for a while, now both formats are taking a nose dive.

I seriously hope this turns out to be true.

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By Steve Austin

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 6:48 AM

"My standard Samsung DVD upscales 480p movies to 720p via the dreaded HDMI connection, and it's not that far from HD-DVD or Blu_ray, both of which I own."

I have never heard such a silly statement, how does it add the missing information, it guesses it.. Upscaling is snake oil, and anyone that claims they can see a difference of the standard picture is simply justifiying themselves spending money on a upscaling DVD player.

I originally assumed this was a fake hollywood_ making him look silly, but it looks like this is the real hollywood_ making himself look silly..

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By Hollywood__

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 5:10 PM

Steve,

I would love to see your system. Any chance you could post some pics of your fabulous equipment? I'd bet you have a 40 inch LCD in your living room with the BOSE 123 and a $29.00 DVD player from Value City.

Just because your eyes are always glazed from malt hops and bong resin doesn't mean some people actually notice a difference. Are you telling me you have seen every upscaling DVD on every TV made?

You've probably seen a improperly hooked up display at Best Buy.

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By HoIIywood__

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 10:39 AM

Even the fake Hollywood_ doesnot make stupid claims that upscaling standard def DVD players look close to HD.

It make you also wonder about Hollywood_'s other quality observations and general allround technical knowledge...

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By Hollywood__

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 5:10 PM

Easy Dave,

Did you get enough Best Buy gift cards to finally afford that BD player?

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By The Man

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 7:58 AM

lol
:-D

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By ingram091

edited Dec 30, 2006 - 11:59 PM

Opps double post sorry:

PS and yes they call me a pirate. Why? because I record my (Cable obtained and paid for through subscription) TV shows to VHS tape and to HDD Via my DVR for use in my personal VCR and Computer until the DVD is released. Which I also end up purchasing, If it ever is released that is. I now have easily in the $1,000's worth of them in fact. I can't count the box set I own offhand, or the number of cases Full of purchased movie DVDs I own in the house. But yet my entire collection can go with me on trips if I so choose via laptop. That's not Piracy, that's Efficiency in Time shifting.

Yea I'm a pirate, Right... Well if that is piracy, well they can just shiver me timbers YARG!!! The law says under betamax ruling that is fair use; and I will stick to that till the day they hang me by the neck until dead for their so called piracy.

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By ingram091

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 11:37 PM

The problem is even if you own the DVD in the industries view they WANT to be able to charge you per viewing of your high quality show. Just wait till people discover that vista destroys itself if you even try this on it. As per an agreement between the MPAA and MS Windows Vista has triggers built into the OSes DRM system is compromised in any way, it will cripple the machine and force a reinstall of the operating system.

Just like the old beta max days this makes me sick. I pay a heck of a lot of money on DVDs but I will never touch Blu ray or HD DVDs because there is no end user rights what so ever. If I want to move my DVD to a hand held unit to watch on a trip or whatever I am dam well going to do so. I purchased the disc and I will use it. If they turn it off it will be the last disc I ever buy from the company. Take Sony for example, after that whole Rootkit garbage. I have not purchased one Sony CD and never will again. I was burnt once, but not anymore.

The day it happens like that on DVDs I will do the same thing... as should EVERYONE else. That is the only language these people understand. DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS UNTIL THEY LISTEN TO THE BUYERS DEMANDS! Fair use rights MUST be restored to the consumers of this media. Without it this will Never be solved. Indeed we are paying for them losing the betamax case now in many ways. Imagine what would happen if the economy takes a dive, which it will very likely will in the coming years.

I consider anything that happens with HD DVD or Blu-ray discs to be moot anyway as they have no standardization protocols or End user rights. Its no more valid a choice then the Failed Pay to Play DIVX media or the Play Once Disney DVDs were. There was and still is nothing wrong with DVD media, as long as it exists I will continue to purchase them in that format. So called High Definition be dammed.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 1:39 PM

Well said.

My computers will never see Vista either. If I am forced to buy one with Visa on it, it will be changed to XP.

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By Pixelsmack

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 8:10 PM

Have we not already shown a balance has been made? People who pirate, always will. People who will buy, have.

We have been running this way for quite some time now and the studios are still making money, the record companies are still making money. Why do they even bother with protections anymore?

Are you telling me 100s of 1000s of unknowing or uncaring legitimate users would start making copies? That without these headaches the balance is lost and enough people stop buying that it truly does make a difference?

Show me the history where that has been the case, ever.

All of this screams lobby groups and special interests wanting to continue driving their Ferarri's and taking trips to Gstad.

Not worth any of our time.

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By mshulman

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 10:05 PM

I agree. I also think there is a point in between that has no affect as well.

Those that rent and make copies of their rentals. While they may watch the movies a second time, in the vast majority of these cases, I think its highly unlikely they would turn to buying instead of renting if copying wasn't an option. I think it comes down to them copying because they can. If they couldn't, they'd still rent and if they wanted to watch again, rent it again.

I always laugh at any figures when they are in regards to pirating and how much money is lost. Whether its movies, software or anything else, the simple fact is that many of the pirates just wouldn't have it or would use something else in place of pirating. So in essence, there is no lost revenue.

I think in reality, there ends up being SOME lost revenues, but its far from what they report. Probably, in fact a very small percentage.

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By joe machine

edited Dec 30, 2006 - 1:32 PM

I think that every work made by man could be reverse engineering by another man, we actually live in an ENTERPRISES DITATORSHIP WHERE THE PUBLIC IS THE LESS CARED FOR BY THE RESPECTIVE GOVERMENTS; WE IN MEXICO IN ABOUT 2 AND A HALF YEARS WILL BE IN A CIVIL WAR, ACTUALLY WE ARE IN A LOW INTENSITY WAR, ESPECIALLY IN THE BORDER AREA, AND VERY SHORTLY IN A CIVIL UNREST AGAINST THE ENTERPRICES DICTATORSHIP.
MYSELF NOW USE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE AND AS A TEACHER I TRAIN MY STUDENTS TO BEWARE OF POLITICS, AND THE CAREFULLY ANALISYS OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE PRESS, THE MEDIA AND THE WAYS THE IMPERIUM USES TO CONTYROL PEOPLE MINDS, HISTORY, MONEY AND THE PRIVATIZATION OF NATURE

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By Hollywood__

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 5:16 PM

Joe,

You sound angry.

I agree all copy protection sucks, the best part is there are whole groups of people dedicated to breaking it.

I love watching big companies scramble to fix the problems.

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By t4ki0n

edited Dec 30, 2006 - 3:43 PM

investigating legitimacy? the dude posted the source and executable for download! http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871

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By stevetures

edited Dec 30, 2006 - 2:37 PM

there's a youtube link and a rapidshare link in the youtube description... why read what others have to see when you can see and play with the code yourself.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_oZGYb92isE

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By Bloggg

edited Dec 30, 2006 - 1:35 PM

AACS uses the internet connection to monitor people? Sounds familiar? Root kit, Sony... didn't we go through this already?

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Dec 30, 2006 - 12:35 PM

"Studios Take Claims of AACS Crack Seriously"

LMAO, they had better take it seriously. If it had read "Studios could give a rats A$$ about AACS being cracked" --I mean, would any moron NOT take threats against the security of their products seriously?? :D

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By BIL

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 7:53 AM

This guy should have kept his mouth shut and researched it more. In the interim more people will have purchased a HD-DVD system. Then he could have marketed a copy program and made a good profit. I would not cry over the loss of the reording industries profit.

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By yourdvddotnet

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 6:21 AM

Actually, it would have been illegal for him to market a product that circumvents copy protection and he would have found himself in a world of hurt, if he hasn't already (since cracking copy protection is pretty much illegal these days, profit or not).

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 11:52 AM

He could have also even caused a very slow death for HD-DVD MOVIES, because the movie companies will not want to release their movies on a format known for its easy 'crackability' (if that's even a word) when Blu-Ray, while they may have their reasons not to like it (sony boycott or whatever), at least has a ways to go before being cracked, and the firmware is supposedly easy to update to fix glitches in the copy protection. So--if Universal Studios decides that they would rather Blu-Ray than have HD-DVD due to piracy--they could choose what they might call the lesser of two evils.

This could be a bad thing. I'm sure Mark Gillespie is singing praises at this very moment :-|

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By SteveJohnSteele

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 9:22 PM

question ...

If you create a disk with digital rights management - then sell it to 100 people

what % will copy it
- 0% (?)
- any protection will be cracked eventually, what stops someone pointing a camera at a TV screen

what % will be annoyed by the DRM
- and maybe never buy another disk
- or maybe never buy the disk or the player in the first place

what % will never be affected negatively by the DRM
- remember the Sony fiasco !!!

If you create a disk with NO digital rights management = then sell it to 100 people

what % will copy it
- even in the days of vhs videos, just how many people had two recorders and made copys, I could have but didnt

what % will be annoyed by the DRM
- zero since there is no DRM

what % will never be affected negatively by the DRM
- 100% since there is no DRM

so is DRM consumer friendly
IMHO NO ITS NOT

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By mshulman

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 10:08 PM

I'm not sure I see the point to your post. Is there actually someone that thinks DRM IS consumer friendly?

All you prove in your post is that DRM DOES in fact prevent people from copying.

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By The Man

posted Jan 1, 2007 - 8:12 AM

"All you prove in your post is that DRM DOES in fact prevent people from copying."

it does?
what can't be copied because of DRM?
(maybe you mean inhibit not prevent)
i thought it was just there to make recording studios look like control freaks.
:-p

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By domino360

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 12:07 AM

We now have HD DVD and Blue-ray. The 3rd intro is EVD, and even if it's made in China (what isn't), we are going to have more headaches in the next few years.

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By SteveJohnSteele

posted Dec 29, 2006 - 10:34 PM

hold on a second ...

The result is supposed to be that the once-cracked media becomes unreadable by AACS-endowed players connected to the Internet.

so ... you connect your player to the internet
good point it downloads updates
bad point it downloads updates ...

that could mean your perfectly legit disks will no longer play

I dont like to use strong language in forums but **** THAT

Why the hell would anyone buy a player, buy disks, hook up their player to the internet (as the manual no doubt tells you) only to find that some (or ALL) of your disks suddenly become un-playable

And what are the manufacturers going to do when millions of consumers say "hey my player wont play ### film" (and they have the receipt to prove its legit (both player and disk))

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By Steve Austin

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 9:21 AM

Funny how times have changed, only last week, was Hollywood_ ranting about how Blu-Ray players needed to be connected to the internet to work, and that HD-DVD did not...

Of course, anyone with any sense would see that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use the same encryption scheme, and thus both have the same requiurements and limitations. Internet connections for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray are not mandatory, As I understand it, I may be wrong on this, new keys and blacklisted keys can be distributed with newer movies, so when you play Casino Royale in Blu-Ray it contains a list of blacklisted keys that get downloaded to your player...

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 11:45 AM

Blu-Ray does have some different protections I hear, like 'watermarked' signatures to prevent one from emulating a "pressed" disc even when it is a burned one, and it will supposedly have stricter requirements for playing back any copyrighted material. I heard this from a forum a few months ago (before either format was released) so I could be wrong--anyone got a link or know what I'm talking about?

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By SteveJohnSteele

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 9:09 PM

whatever method is used to update the 'blacklist'
as far as I can tell this list is a list of disks that have been cracked?!

what exactly happens when a disk is cracked ???
its ID is put on the blacklist ???
and then that ID is sent to all the players who then refuse to play that disk ???

sooner or later - the customer will vote with their money
there comes a time when the 'copy protection' 'digital rights management' is anti-consumer
what of the rights of the consumer ??????

I for one will NEVER buy into such a system
Imagine your entire (legit) disk collection not playing - #100s or #1000s (#money)
And will these non-playable disks be replaced or refunded - you bet they wont

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By Steve Austin

posted Dec 31, 2006 - 6:50 AM

"I for one will NEVER buy into such a system"

That's fine, but you have to realise ALL HD systems implement the same protections. My issue, is that fanboys here pretend Sony and Blu-Ray are the bad guys, and HD-DVD does not do the exact same thing..

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By bugmenot

posted Dec 29, 2006 - 8:59 PM

This has been proven to be fake.

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 12:29 AM

Your comment has been proven to be moronic.

See, it's ironic because I haven't cited any sources either. Oh what jolly good fun. Lets do this again sometime, shall we?

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By Hollywood__

posted Dec 29, 2006 - 9:02 PM

Do you have a link to a story proving it a fake?

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By Natrunner

posted Dec 29, 2006 - 5:34 PM

It will be only a matter of time before it is cracked. They know and we know it. Investigations and threats will not stop it.

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By Adrian79

posted Dec 29, 2006 - 8:16 PM

i 2nd that.

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By foxfyre

posted Dec 30, 2006 - 2:18 AM

If only it were a static scheme!
Oops...

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