[2006-11-03 14:43:38] *** now talking in #furaffinity-core
[2006-11-03 14:43:38] *** topic is http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4110
[2006-11-03 14:43:38] *** set by Dragoneer on Fri Nov 03 02:02:29 2006
[2006-11-03 14:43:38] *** channel #furaffinity-core mode is +sntr 
[2006-11-03 14:43:38] *** channel created at Tue Jun 20 10:54:09 2006
[2006-11-03 14:43:38] *** ChanServ sets channel #furaffinity-core mode +o Myr
[2006-11-03 14:44:16] <@yak> SilverWolfe: i, on the contrary, was confident it will be that way
[2006-11-03 14:46:35] <@Marthaen`> well we've had some multiple registrations but it's still very close even with the votes removed from the multiples
[2006-11-03 14:46:45] <SilverWolfe> I didn't think there would be that many votes in general.
[2006-11-03 14:46:50] <SilverWolfe> Anyway, I gotta run some errands.
[2006-11-03 14:46:50] <@Marthaen`> it'll be about as close as the Flordia election
[2006-11-03 14:47:12] <@yak> ..close and pointless...
[2006-11-03 14:47:18] <@Myr> dead people can vote now!
[2006-11-03 14:47:23] <@Myr> in MI!
[2006-11-03 14:47:35] <@yak> hha, what?
[2006-11-03 14:47:46] <@Myr> I saw it on the news >^.=.^<
[2006-11-03 14:47:59] <@yak> no, waht is MI?
[2006-11-03 14:48:05] <@Myr> Missouri (sp?)
[2006-11-03 14:48:15] <@Myr> er, MI isn't the right one...oops
[2006-11-03 14:48:59] <@yak>  <-- is an eastern person, doesn't know this anyway
[2006-11-03 14:49:14] <@Marthaen`> former russian. still new to voting :)
[2006-11-03 14:50:15] <@yak> *chuckle* yeah, right.. hehe
[2006-11-03 14:51:32] <@Myr> >^.=.^<;;;;
[2006-11-03 14:51:41] <@Myr> sorry, I forgot
[2006-11-03 14:55:29] <@Marthaen`> 210 users x.x
[2006-11-03 15:04:30] <@yak> SilverWolfe: what's your own ,private, static IP?
[2006-11-03 15:10:47] <@Marthaen`> 127.0.0.1
[2006-11-03 15:10:50] <@Marthaen`> :)
[2006-11-03 15:10:59] <@yak> i hacked 127.0.0.1
[2006-11-03 15:11:03] <@yak> srsly
[2006-11-03 15:20:36] <@thecrypto> I have a Nokoshi PMing me saying he was permabanned from the chat
[2006-11-03 15:22:09] * Myr doesn't recognize that name
[2006-11-03 15:23:30] <@yak> not in the past 4 days. no one was banned during that time
[2006-11-03 15:23:47] <@yak> most probhably hey need to register their nicks or something, i dunno
[2006-11-03 15:24:28] <@thecrypto> Ohh Right...They are RainbowEyes, never mind
[2006-11-03 15:25:04] <@yak> pffftt....
[2006-11-03 15:25:07] <@Marthaen`> lol
[2006-11-03 15:25:18] <@yak> yet again i need new lungs
[2006-11-03 15:25:22] <@Marthaen`> someone's reporting that whole cub porn vote thread on the forums
[2006-11-03 15:25:41] <@yak> bmy sides are sore....
[2006-11-03 15:27:50] <@yak> 226 users...
[2006-11-03 15:29:01] <@Marthaen`> eek
[2006-11-03 15:29:53] <@yak> chuckle @ "you my dear friend have just won +1 million internets"
[2006-11-03 15:34:27] <SilverWolfe> I missed RainbowEyes!?
[2006-11-03 15:36:19] <@yak> wtf. wait a sec.. i thought Rainbow here was banned from th eforums
[2006-11-03 15:36:32] <SilverWolfe> I actually thought they were too. >.>
[2006-11-03 15:36:39] <@yak> no ownder that avatar seemed too familiar
[2006-11-03 15:37:02] <@yak> (thou i like hte way they are thinking)
[2006-11-03 15:37:05] <SilverWolfe> I thought RainbowEyes decided to leave FA.
[2006-11-03 15:37:42] <@yak> that too. i had a rather pleasing chat with her prior to that.. got called names and ignored
[2006-11-03 15:38:00] <SilverWolfe> She was harrassing me to some degree before that too.
[2006-11-03 15:38:12] <SilverWolfe> Ran screaming to Myr as soon as he came online and said I was harrassing her. >.>
[2006-11-03 15:38:13] *** Myr changed nick to Myr|Nap
[2006-11-03 15:38:23] <@Myr|Nap> huh, when?
[2006-11-03 15:38:33] <SilverWolfe> Long time back.
[2006-11-03 15:38:36] <@Myr|Nap> oh
[2006-11-03 15:38:39] <SilverWolfe> At least I think that's what happened. :3
[2006-11-03 15:39:06] <@Myr|Nap> dunno, but I don't take RainbowEyes even remotely serious anymore :p
[2006-11-03 15:39:17] <SilverWolfe> Hey Yak, can you give me access to the Ferrox Alpha?
[2006-11-03 15:39:22] <@Myr|Nap> he's very strange and has abused my good intentions way too much so screw it
[2006-11-03 15:39:28] <@Myr|Nap> naptime though, cya >^.=.^<
[2006-11-03 15:39:39] <@yak> [22:04] yak: SilverWolfe: what's your own ,private, static IP?
[2006-11-03 15:39:41] <SilverWolfe> See ya.
[2006-11-03 15:39:47] <@yak> good night
[2006-11-03 15:39:51] <SilverWolfe> Static IP?
[2006-11-03 15:39:55] <SilverWolfe> Hold on. >.>
[2006-11-03 15:40:01] <@yak> yes, that is required
[2006-11-03 15:40:18] <@Marthaen`> o.o
[2006-11-03 15:40:25] <@Marthaen`> can't use host names?
[2006-11-03 15:40:37] <SilverWolfe>  209.91.57.102
[2006-11-03 15:40:40] <SilverWolfe> That should be it. >.>
[2006-11-03 15:44:57] <@yak> Ferrox is currently offline and disabled, i don't know why
[2006-11-03 15:45:19] <SilverWolfe> I was connected to the site earlier.
[2006-11-03 15:45:25] <SilverWolfe> I just couldn't log in.
[2006-11-03 15:49:26] <@yak> well, i do see that every access restrictions were removed, yes.. as for logging in, i have no idea.
[2006-11-03 15:49:52] <@yak> oh, cool. it only took 5 minutes to lod ;D
[2006-11-03 15:56:49] <SilverWolfe> Yeah, it's just a little slow. >.>
[2006-11-03 15:58:48] *** yak sets channel #furaffinity-core mode +o SilverWolfe
[2006-11-03 16:04:50] <@SilverWolfe> So do I have access to it?
[2006-11-03 16:07:00] <@yak> i dunno.. you do have that access.. and AFAIK, the registration has a email confirmation active...  as for the pther functionality - i can't say. 
[2006-11-03 16:08:50] <@SilverWolfe> So do I have to register seperately?  My FA login doesn't work there?
[2006-11-03 16:10:25] <@yak> of course ont
[2006-11-03 16:10:38] <@yak> it's a completly new system with a completely new dtabase
[2006-11-03 16:12:51] <@Marthaen`> rofl
[2006-11-03 16:13:41] <@SilverWolfe> Me or something else?
[2006-11-03 16:14:02] * @Marthaen` points at SilverWolfe :)
[2006-11-03 16:14:24] <@SilverWolfe> ;_;
[2006-11-03 16:14:28] <@SilverWolfe> I'm sensitive!!!
[2006-11-03 16:14:42] <@Marthaen`> aww
[2006-11-03 16:14:49] * @Marthaen` gives SilverWolfe a tissue
[2006-11-03 16:14:49] <@SilverWolfe> And it won't let me register.
[2006-11-03 16:14:58] <@Marthaen`> gotta go
[2006-11-03 16:15:02] <@Marthaen`> back in an hour or so
[2006-11-03 16:15:06] *** Marthaen` (~Marthaen@fur-E01C969D.com) left ()
[2006-11-03 16:15:25] <@yak> got to preserve what's left of my lungs and my sanity...
[2006-11-03 16:15:40] <@yak> i shake head and laugh when i read the forums
[2006-11-03 16:15:47] <@SilverWolfe> Wow, more votes for allow now. >.>
[2006-11-03 16:15:54] <@yak> too much for my physical and mental health in one day
[2006-11-03 16:16:07] <@yak> *stress
[2006-11-03 16:16:32] <@SilverWolfe> Are you making sure we don't have multiple votes now from the same IP?
[2006-11-03 16:17:33] <@yak> no, Marthaen does
[2006-11-03 16:18:00] <@yak> 240 user on the site
[2006-11-03 16:18:04] <@yak> *forum
[2006-11-03 16:18:26] <@SilverWolfe> Marthaen just left though... >.>
[2006-11-03 16:23:16] <@SilverWolfe> I've gotta get goin' for now.
[2006-11-03 16:23:22] <@SilverWolfe> Stuff at home to deal with. >.>
[2006-11-03 16:23:50] <@yak> good luck
[2006-11-03 16:24:37] <@SilverWolfe> Thanks, you too.
[2006-11-03 19:30:49] *** now talking in #furaffinity-core
[2006-11-03 19:30:49] *** topic is http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4110
[2006-11-03 19:30:49] *** set by Dragoneer on Fri Nov 03 02:02:29 2006
[2006-11-03 19:30:49] *** channel #furaffinity-core mode is +sntr 
[2006-11-03 19:30:49] *** channel created at Tue Jun 20 10:54:09 2006
[2006-11-03 19:30:50] *** ChanServ sets channel #furaffinity-core mode +o Myr
[2006-11-03 19:42:24] <@thecrypto> I
[2006-11-03 19:42:33] <@thecrypto> I'mgoing camping this weekend, back sunday evening
[2006-11-03 19:42:48] <@Marthaen> no
[2006-11-03 19:42:50] <@Marthaen> you are not
[2006-11-03 19:43:02] <@Marthaen> you are staying and being a part of this drama
[2006-11-03 19:43:13] * Myr stays clean
[2006-11-03 19:43:24] <@Myr> oh! I get to use "I told ya so!" now
[2006-11-03 19:46:37] <@Marthaen> goddamn
[2006-11-03 19:46:45] <@Marthaen> 47,500 views on that one thread
[2006-11-03 19:48:26] <@Myr> how?
[2006-11-03 19:49:00] <@Myr> I'm sure it's on ED by now and everyone's linking to it to laugh at it
[2006-11-03 19:49:02] <@Marthaen> how what?
[2006-11-03 19:49:11] <@Myr> 47,500 is more users that FA has
[2006-11-03 19:49:27] <@Marthaen> 47,500 views
[2006-11-03 19:49:39] <@Marthaen> we've had over 475 users register today alone
[2006-11-03 19:49:50] <@Marthaen> that's like 10 reloads a person
[2006-11-03 19:49:53] <@Myr> oh, that's a lot, nevermind then :p
[2006-11-03 19:49:53] <@Myr> yeah
[2006-11-03 19:50:00] <@Marthaen> er 100
[2006-11-03 19:50:01] <@Marthaen> O_o
[2006-11-03 19:50:11] <@Marthaen> not to meantion all the ones that didn't register
[2006-11-03 19:50:25] <@Marthaen> we've been averaging about 200 users on all day today
[2006-11-03 19:50:48] <@Marthaen> hell we have 240 on right now
[2006-11-03 19:50:59] <@Myr> stop making drama! :(
[2006-11-03 19:51:06] <@Marthaen> noooooo!
[2006-11-03 19:51:10] * @Marthaen kills self
[2006-11-03 19:52:26] * Myr blames it on Damaratus n ow
[2006-11-03 19:52:28] <@Myr> *now
[2006-11-03 19:52:37] * @Marthaen strips Damaratus
[2006-11-03 19:53:02] * Myr raids SilverWolfe's fridge while he's away
[2006-11-03 19:53:29] * @Marthaen raids Pinkuh's bedroom for pr0n
[2006-11-03 19:53:30] <@Damaratus> What? Why me? ;_;
[2006-11-03 19:53:50] <@Marthaen> 'cause you're a cute rat
[2006-11-03 19:53:58] <@Marthaen> and cute rats need to be naked :)
[2006-11-03 19:54:48] <@Myr> lol
[2006-11-03 20:00:56] <@Damaratus> >.> <.<  You mean taking the blame will end me up naked.
[2006-11-03 20:00:58] <@Damaratus> ?
[2006-11-03 20:21:27] <@Marthaen> out of 4035 users 845 have been active
[2006-11-03 20:21:48] <@Marthaen> we've had 2881 new posts
[2006-11-03 20:22:53] <@Marthaen> oh shit
[2006-11-03 20:22:58] <@Marthaen> and our server load on the forums is at 8.22
[2006-11-03 20:23:00] <@Marthaen> wtf
[2006-11-03 20:23:18] <@Marthaen> man
[2006-11-03 20:23:25] <@Marthaen> we are stressing the forum boards today
[2006-11-03 20:23:58] <@Marthaen> 446 new today
[2006-11-03 20:24:15] <@Myr> MySQL Error <!>
[2006-11-03 20:24:18] <@Marthaen> plus a few last night
[2006-11-03 20:24:35] <@Marthaen> wha?
[2006-11-03 20:24:55] <@Marthaen> we got a googlebot O_o
[2006-11-03 20:25:10] <@Marthaen> http://www.furaffinityforums.net/index.php?debug=1
[2006-11-03 20:25:19] <@Marthaen> oh damn serverload is 11.75 o_O
[2006-11-03 20:25:25] <@Marthaen> that's kinda bad right?
[2006-11-03 20:27:35] <@Myr> nah
[2006-11-03 20:27:51] <@Marthaen> ...
[2006-11-03 20:27:55] <@Myr> it can go up to 100
[2006-11-03 20:27:56] <@Myr> :p
[2006-11-03 20:28:07] <@Myr> if it were 70+ that might be bad
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[2006-11-03 20:31:14] <@Marthaen> anyways...
[2006-11-03 20:31:28] <@Marthaen> as I was saying...
[2006-11-03 20:31:31] <@Marthaen> http://www.cyberindian.com/web-hosting/article.php?article_id=153
[2006-11-03 20:32:36] <@Marthaen> if we have a dual processor server than 2.00 would be maxxed out for the server
[2006-11-03 20:33:32] * Myr gets to use "I told ya so" again because it's got to be that cub thing causing all the problems
[2006-11-03 20:33:54] <@Myr> some message boards hate it when the length of threads goes over 64 pages
[2006-11-03 20:39:58] <@Myr> 141 active members......whoa
[2006-11-03 20:42:14] <@Marthaen> it was 200 earlier
[2006-11-03 20:42:18] <@Marthaen> active
[2006-11-03 20:42:28] <@Marthaen> and like 80 unregistered
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[2006-11-03 20:44:57] <~Dragoneer> So, fun day? =D
[2006-11-03 20:45:04] <@Myr> "I told ya so!"
[2006-11-03 20:45:25] <~Dragoneer> So, yeah... I think we have no choice but to say "Cub shit... banned". 
[2006-11-03 20:45:35] <~Dragoneer> I imagine this has been discussed to death 90,000 times already, however.
[2006-11-03 20:45:41] <@Marthaen> ...
[2006-11-03 20:45:42] * Myr agrees
[2006-11-03 20:45:44] <@Marthaen> yeah
[2006-11-03 20:46:21] <~Dragoneer> So, ok... have we come to the full decision of "axe it" so I can make an announcement and kill some of this drama?
[2006-11-03 20:46:36] <@Marthaen> the 457 new users and 862 active users all are like... at each other's throats
[2006-11-03 20:46:47] <@Myr> Technically, no, But you don't need to know that. The answer is "Yes" :p
[2006-11-03 20:46:52] * @Marthaen pokes Pinkuh
[2006-11-03 20:46:54] * @Marthaen pokes SilverWolfe|AFK
[2006-11-03 20:47:00] * @Marthaen pokes Damaratus
[2006-11-03 20:47:19] <@Marthaen> I say axe it
[2006-11-03 20:47:27] <@Marthaen> no more cub porn
[2006-11-03 20:47:28] <@Damaratus> O.O!
[2006-11-03 20:47:38] <@Marthaen> they have a website they can goto for that
[2006-11-03 20:47:47] <@Damaratus> Yes and no.
[2006-11-03 20:47:55] <~Dragoneer> Ok, here's my proposal...
[2006-11-03 20:47:55] <@Marthaen> we won't lose too much by elminating them
[2006-11-03 20:48:04] <@Marthaen> we'd lose more if we kept it
[2006-11-03 20:48:05] <@Myr> "Previous vote was 5-3 in favor of removing the "Cub/Child pr0n smut ruling"."
[2006-11-03 20:48:15] <@Myr> how many more times do we have to vote on this? Just do something about it already
[2006-11-03 20:48:19] <~Dragoneer> Remove CUB art, a defined by "pre-pubescent" art. Aka, art that is CLEARLY of children. Little children.
[2006-11-03 20:48:35] <~Dragoneer> Teen shit can be debated and argued and the legal age varies from state to state...
[2006-11-03 20:48:37] <@Marthaen> and when is a report button going to get added?
[2006-11-03 20:48:39] <~Dragoneer> Country to country
[2006-11-03 20:48:58] <@Marthaen> we really need a report button of some sort
[2006-11-03 20:49:35] <@Marthaen> but I say ban cub art
[2006-11-03 20:49:43] <@Marthaen> I still stand by that decision
[2006-11-03 20:50:06] <@Marthaen> we've like set forum records today over this issue
[2006-11-03 20:50:19] <~Dragoneer> Yeah.
[2006-11-03 20:50:33] <~Dragoneer> We're going to upset people no matter what decision we have.
[2006-11-03 20:50:40] <@Marthaen> only 59 new threads but 2937 new posts
[2006-11-03 20:50:42] <~Dragoneer> Damaratus: So what's your yes and no?
[2006-11-03 20:50:57] <@Marthaen> pick only one
[2006-11-03 20:51:11] <@Marthaen> there is no "yes and no" answer
[2006-11-03 20:51:42] <~Dragoneer> Well, I have a yes and no issue on it two... and it bugs the fuck out of me to be honest.
[2006-11-03 20:51:42] <@Damaratus> Cubcentral only allows those to join who have a paid for email address.  Meaning that unless you are sponsored by someone on the site, you are not allowed in with simply some yahoo, gmail, hotmail, etc. account.
[2006-11-03 20:51:53] <@Damaratus> They're rather stringent on who they allow in as well.
[2006-11-03 20:51:59] <@Damaratus> It isn't just some haven that people can run to.
[2006-11-03 20:52:01] <@Marthaen> I think Ch'marr has the right idea with his TOS and we should have followed what we borrowed from VCL's
[2006-11-03 20:52:18] <@Damaratus> Ch'marr only put that particular ruling into his ToS because he didn't have filters at the time to handle it.
[2006-11-03 20:52:42] <@Marthaen> he still doesn't allow it nor will he allow it
[2006-11-03 20:52:50] <@Marthaen> I've talked to him
[2006-11-03 20:53:02] <@Damaratus> And are we VCL?  Or Ch'marr for that matter?
[2006-11-03 20:53:09] <@Damaratus> Or are we going to start being the same way that they are?
[2006-11-03 20:53:11] <@Marthaen> we have borrowed VCL's TOS
[2006-11-03 20:53:18] <@Damaratus> And that's where the problem lies.
[2006-11-03 20:53:25] <@Damaratus> It's not FA's ToS, it's VCLs.
[2006-11-03 20:53:33] <@Damaratus> We are creating our own rules and regulations.
[2006-11-03 20:53:40] <@Marthaen> which is why we need this vote.
[2006-11-03 20:53:41] <@Myr> That's right, we are not a democracy
[2006-11-03 20:53:42] <@Damaratus> Not bounding ourselves to someone elses.
[2006-11-03 20:53:58] <@Damaratus> Especially since his rules seem to be creating vagaries that have lead us to this discussion in the past.
[2006-11-03 20:54:08] <~Dragoneer> That's why we're redoing the ToS, but frankly... not many admins have been giving me feedback on the issue
[2006-11-03 20:54:16] * Myr can't
[2006-11-03 20:54:31] <~Dragoneer> Why noit
[2006-11-03 20:54:34] <@Myr> Uncia
[2006-11-03 20:54:41] <@Marthaen> I've said no to cub porn since the issue came up.
[2006-11-03 20:54:48] <~Dragoneer> Why... not.. Uncia?
[2006-11-03 20:55:06] <@Myr> because I don't have time to argue every little bit of every point I want to make
[2006-11-03 20:55:23] <@Myr> that's one of the things that got us into this current mess
[2006-11-03 20:55:35] <@Myr> and prevented a definitive ruling on this cub thing weeks ago
[2006-11-03 20:55:41] <@Myr> (in my opinion)
[2006-11-03 20:55:56] <~Dragoneer> Ok, so... don't help us improve the rules. :|
[2006-11-03 20:56:00] <@Marthaen> months ago
[2006-11-03 20:56:13] <@Marthaen> it's been months while this thing has stagnated
[2006-11-03 20:56:22] * Myr nodnods
[2006-11-03 20:56:29] <@Damaratus> I think I need a focus.  Rather than looking at the thing as a whole, we should just cut it into smaller pieces and cover the points one at a time.
[2006-11-03 20:56:35] <~Dragoneer> We never got a resolution on it because nobody could come up with one.
[2006-11-03 20:56:35] <@Marthaen> we're lucky it didn't explode long ago
[2006-11-03 20:56:59] <~Dragoneer> We need to come up with something but this weekend, because this drama is cockblocking FA.
[2006-11-03 20:57:00] <@Myr> We got a resolution on it. 5-3 vote to ban plus previous votes
[2006-11-03 20:57:07] <@Myr> it's been resolved 4 times already
[2006-11-03 20:57:16] <@Damaratus> Myr, you're not quoting the most recent vote.
[2006-11-03 20:57:34] <@Myr> Which proves my point, we've voted multiple times on it
[2006-11-03 20:57:53] <@Damaratus> Yes, but if you're going to quote the vote, quote the one that you started.  http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=2821&page=1
[2006-11-03 20:57:53] <@Marthaen> we're not getting anywhere here
[2006-11-03 20:58:20] <@Damaratus> Nor are we getting anywhere on the vote.
[2006-11-03 20:58:25] <@Damaratus> The site is split down the middle.
[2006-11-03 20:58:35] <@Damaratus> But that was kind of expected with binary choices.
[2006-11-03 20:58:47] <@Pinkuh> I will not support a rule that limits the users right to expression... this is What Y-gallery did and I am violently oppesed to it
[2006-11-03 20:58:59] <@Myr> blah, then I will stop holding things up
[2006-11-03 20:59:14] <~Dragoneer> Well...
[2006-11-03 20:59:24] <~Dragoneer> How about this:
[2006-11-03 20:59:29] <@Pinkuh> This ruling will just lead to further limits on expression
[2006-11-03 20:59:42] <~Dragoneer> We cockblock all "cub" art until a time comes when the filters are ready and we can mandate that nobody has to view the shit
[2006-11-03 20:59:42] <@Pinkuh> And I am NOT going to start this train
[2006-11-03 20:59:44] <~Dragoneer> I dunno
[2006-11-03 20:59:48] <@Pinkuh> No
[2006-11-03 20:59:56] <@Pinkuh> People have lived with it up to this point
[2006-11-03 21:00:08] <@Pinkuh> they can continue to live with it till we get the system up and running
[2006-11-03 21:00:21] <@Myr> does the new system even have working filters?
[2006-11-03 21:00:22] <~Dragoneer> And what will change in the new system?
[2006-11-03 21:00:41] <@Pinkuh> The amount of "Cub" artwork posted on this website is so miniscule that it shouldn't have generated as much Drama as it did
[2006-11-03 21:00:46] <@Damaratus> I'm fine with that, it's what I've been advocating in the first place.  The cub people have managed on the site well enough this time round.
[2006-11-03 21:00:52] <@Pinkuh> The new system we will have the filters
[2006-11-03 21:00:57] <@Damaratus> Proper working filters will solve the problem.
[2006-11-03 21:01:03] <@Marthaen> I'll enforce any policy laid down whether I like it or not. But I'd prefer to ban cub porn if possible.
[2006-11-03 21:01:04] <@Pinkuh> and any douche that doesn't mark their artwork cub will have to anwser to me
[2006-11-03 21:01:15] <@Marthaen> filters only work if the user puts the proper tags on it in the first place
[2006-11-03 21:01:16] <@Damaratus> I don't think that cub art should be posted willy-nilly on the site without working filters.
[2006-11-03 21:01:29] <@Marthaen> filters are useless if they aren't tagged correctly.
[2006-11-03 21:01:38] <~Dragoneer> And we have no filters right now
[2006-11-03 21:01:48] <@Damaratus> Exactly.
[2006-11-03 21:01:49] <@Pinkuh> Like I told cerise earlyer... I don't draw it, I don't like it, and I tend to not view it unless I have to, however I am NOT going to limit our users freedom of expression
[2006-11-03 21:01:54] <@Pinkuh> becuase no one can draw the line
[2006-11-03 21:02:17] <~Dragoneer> I hate the crap immensely myself.
[2006-11-03 21:02:30] <@Pinkuh> Which is why this was re-hashed in the first place
[2006-11-03 21:02:31] <@Myr> the new system will have filters, but when will they be coded and when will it be done? Jeeze, it was supposed to be ready months ago. We're in november already
[2006-11-03 21:02:45] <~Dragoneer> Well, I guess the big issue comes down to if this is illegal. The question is... no.
[2006-11-03 21:02:50] <@Pinkuh> Exactly
[2006-11-03 21:02:58] <@Marthaen> it's like the issue with Kurtbatz and his disgust of the hairy ass issue. He doesn't have to look at it but he did and stirred up drama. We have users who don't want to view cub porn and now they are stirring up drama
[2006-11-03 21:02:59] <@Myr> correct *nods*
[2006-11-03 21:03:14] <~Dragoneer> Kurtbaz is insane. nice, but insane.
[2006-11-03 21:03:31] <@Pinkuh> We are not limiting other forms of artwork that IMHO are worse
[2006-11-03 21:03:48] <@Marthaen> but it's a valid point if one person goes off screaming the sky is falling then others are going to assume it as well.
[2006-11-03 21:03:51] <@Damaratus> Kurtz doesn't know how to pick his battles or his wording well.
[2006-11-03 21:04:02] <~Dragoneer> And he's too damn... angry. At everything.
[2006-11-03 21:04:02] <@Pinkuh> This issue is not about Kurts
[2006-11-03 21:04:07] <~Dragoneer> So, anyway...
[2006-11-03 21:04:21] <~Dragoneer> We've got a problem. Whatever decision we make... people will leave.
[2006-11-03 21:04:29] <@Pinkuh> So?
[2006-11-03 21:04:38] <~Dragoneer> LEMME FINISH, LIGHT RED!
[2006-11-03 21:04:43] <~Dragoneer> =D
[2006-11-03 21:04:53] <@Pinkuh> People have randomly desided they are leaving now after this issue was re-brought up
[2006-11-03 21:05:03] <@Pinkuh> they would have never known any diffrent
[2006-11-03 21:05:15] <~Dragoneer> The issue here is that whatever decision we make as a team, we must all be for it. Or at least... we must all accept it.
[2006-11-03 21:05:29] <~Dragoneer> None of this five months later "I wish we had... "shit.
[2006-11-03 21:05:47] <~Dragoneer> because god knows I'm going to hate having to announce whatever it is that we have to announce, because the fallout will not be pretty
[2006-11-03 21:06:02] <@Pinkuh> Regardless on if we like one form of artwork or another we should allow it. It is not our place to deside what is "Suitable" for an art website unless it deals with REAL legal issues
[2006-11-03 21:06:03] <@Damaratus> No it won't be.
[2006-11-03 21:06:54] <~Dragoneer> Ok. Admit vote... 
[2006-11-03 21:07:00] <@Marthaen> I say ban cub porn until Ferrox is implemented with proper filtering then it can be reintroduced slowly back in
[2006-11-03 21:07:12] <@Pinkuh> Stop
[2006-11-03 21:07:35] <~Dragoneer> Question: Do you feel it is in our best interest, as an art site, that we protect the freedom of artistic creativity and freedom or the needs of the users.
[2006-11-03 21:08:00] <@Pinkuh> Freedom of artistic creativity.
[2006-11-03 21:08:57] <~Dragoneer> Anybody else?
[2006-11-03 21:09:04] <@Pinkuh> Who are we to say what the need
[2006-11-03 21:09:09] <~Dragoneer> Just one person, as admin,willing to vote on that?
[2006-11-03 21:09:10] <@Pinkuh> 's of the users are
[2006-11-03 21:09:13] <@Pinkuh> We arn't Bush
[2006-11-03 21:09:19] <@Damaratus> What was the initial intention of the site?
[2006-11-03 21:09:20] <@Pinkuh> We arn't the american government
[2006-11-03 21:09:27] <@Myr> You don't need to go there
[2006-11-03 21:09:39] <@Damaratus> Artistic creativity?  Or the needs of the users who join?
[2006-11-03 21:09:43] <~Dragoneer> that was not my question, Pinkuh...
[2006-11-03 21:09:53] <~Dragoneer> Artistic Creativity or the needs of the users/community.
[2006-11-03 21:10:00] <~Dragoneer> That's the real issue here.
[2006-11-03 21:10:02] <@Pinkuh> By asking that question you are stating that we have the power to deside what's best
[2006-11-03 21:10:06] <@Marthaen> that question is kinda the same
[2006-11-03 21:10:23] <~Dragoneer> No, the question is different.
[2006-11-03 21:10:52] <~Dragoneer> The question asks, as an admin... do you feel the right to create art is more or less important than the rights of the users.
[2006-11-03 21:10:58] <@Marthaen> well the needs of the users/community is artistic creativty but some want one thing the others want another
[2006-11-03 21:11:08] <@Pinkuh> We are not able to determine the needs of the users becuase we arn't the users, each of us, represents 1, ourselves. What right do we have to force a view on others
[2006-11-03 21:11:49] <@Pinkuh> By allowing the artwork we are not forcing  the users to look at it... we are giving them the option to do so
[2006-11-03 21:12:02] <@Pinkuh> If they choose to opt out then that is their desision
[2006-11-03 21:12:34] <@Marthaen> but we have to have some sort of bounds we cannot just let anarchy rule if we did that then why do we have administrators?
[2006-11-03 21:12:46] <~Dragoneer> Exactly.
[2006-11-03 21:12:58] <~Dragoneer> So, we have a problem in banning the art as well...
[2006-11-03 21:13:07] <~Dragoneer> What do we have right now? Chaos.
[2006-11-03 21:13:43] <@Marthaen> we have complete utter chaos right now with no limits on anything other than the few 'loosely' implemented rules we do have
[2006-11-03 21:13:48] <~Dragoneer> We have chaos because a lot of people hate something that IS NOT ILLEGAL... and a lot of people want us to block that. But, likewise, we have a lot of people who believe it should stay.
[2006-11-03 21:14:01] <@Damaratus> Exactly.
[2006-11-03 21:14:07] <@Pinkuh> It is split 50/50
[2006-11-03 21:14:11] <~Dragoneer> So, we ban cub art... but what do we do when the next riot squad demands we remove the next thing they do not like?
[2006-11-03 21:14:26] <@Myr> We have a 50/50 split, ok, someone go ask Alkora then
[2006-11-03 21:14:35] <~Dragoneer> And people cry in LJ that artists are allowed to draw themselves, "real people" doing illegal activities like drugs.
[2006-11-03 21:14:37] <@Myr> it's his site, right?
[2006-11-03 21:14:39] <@Pinkuh> If we do not move to ban cub work then we will not have to deal with backing up our values on further witchhunts
[2006-11-03 21:14:59] <~Dragoneer> I'm in charge, Myr... issues like this, trust me, Alkora would rather not have to have weigh on his shoulder.
[2006-11-03 21:15:07] <@Myr> Pinkuh > No matter which decision is made, half of the users will hate us and half of them won't. It doesn't matter anymore.
[2006-11-03 21:15:10] <~Dragoneer> You can freely ask him that yourself if you want to confirm.
[2006-11-03 21:15:24] <@Myr> I'd honestly rather not
[2006-11-03 21:15:33] <~Dragoneer> Alkora wanted to just be a coder, handle somethings... but stay out of drama and major issues because he can not deal with the stress.
[2006-11-03 21:15:33] <@Pinkuh> Half of the users won't hate us... They will forget this BS happened in about 6 weeks and go about their daily porn
[2006-11-03 21:15:39] <~Dragoneer> Yak, are you online?
[2006-11-03 21:16:59] <@Pinkuh> I REALLY wish you hadn't made a poll out of this... it was a mistake... we could have handled this quietly and had allot less people wanting to kill us
[2006-11-03 21:17:38] <@Marthaen> they were already at our throats as it was 
[2006-11-03 21:17:47] <~Dragoneer> It wasn't a mistake compared to the wildfire spreading through LJ. Getting people's opinions got a lot out in the air... at let people know that we are handling the issue and want to get feedback.
[2006-11-03 21:18:13] <~Dragoneer> Even if their was a poll, the same shit would have spread one way or another. This issue is beyond a simple yes/no poll in people's minds.
[2006-11-03 21:19:45] <@Pinkuh> So what's going to happen
[2006-11-03 21:20:04] <~Dragoneer> Well, we have two choices, both suck.
[2006-11-03 21:20:08] <~Dragoneer> We have:
[2006-11-03 21:20:54] <~Dragoneer> 1) We ban the art, make a lot of people happy, just as many people pissed off. We show weakness and that people in mobs can make us change and make rules (aka, the Y! effect). We ban something that is not illegal, and let the prudes win.
[2006-11-03 21:22:24] <@Pinkuh> Also think of it this way... all those artist's threatening to leave? They all have Ego's this is the only place where they will be able to post their adult work
[2006-11-03 21:22:35] <~Dragoneer> 2) We allow the art to stay, in name of artistic freedom -- as we choose not to be the judges of what people draw, nor quality. We tell people that it's not our job for them to police themselves, and we will offer working filters to those who disagree with the content and make extended effort to get the filters working
[2006-11-03 21:22:41] <@Pinkuh> this is the only place that will allow user feedback
[2006-11-03 21:23:18] <~Dragoneer> Because, after all... it's not illegal. 
[2006-11-03 21:23:23] <~Dragoneer> It's a great big morale issue.
[2006-11-03 21:23:36] <@Pinkuh> Tecnicaly Furryartwork as a whole is illegal
[2006-11-03 21:23:41] <~Dragoneer> BOTH decisions will cause artists to leave.
[2006-11-03 21:24:24] <@Pinkuh> If someone really wanted to press it they could play the "Drawing animals even ones with Human characteristics means they like animals and want to fuck them"
[2006-11-03 21:24:27] <~Dragoneer> We have enough proof via legal documentation to proof that it is A) not pedo and B) not illegal.
[2006-11-03 21:24:43] <~Dragoneer> I am really torn on the issue.
[2006-11-03 21:24:48] <@Pinkuh> I mean seariously... when is the last time you thought of fucking a horse... a real life, smelly icky horse
[2006-11-03 21:25:05] <@Damaratus> It is a difficult issue because no one is going to be happy.
[2006-11-03 21:25:32] <@Pinkuh> I see allot more people that count being happy over the fact that we wont limit them
[2006-11-03 21:25:37] <@Pinkuh> We are not Y-gallery
[2006-11-03 21:25:39] <@Damaratus> I won't deny that.
[2006-11-03 21:26:05] <~Dragoneer> I hate cub shit, but I'd rather not ban something that is not illegal.
[2006-11-03 21:26:11] <~Dragoneer> I truly hate it on a personal levle.
[2006-11-03 21:26:19] <@Myr> Then it looks like the decision is already made
[2006-11-03 21:26:27] <@Myr> Leave it then
[2006-11-03 21:26:31] <~Dragoneer> I keep flip flopping on the issue, but as an artist... I'm not going to start picking and choosing what people can draw.
[2006-11-03 21:26:52] <@Pinkuh> Yeah but some people hate inflation with that same passion... what would you do to that person "Shut up dumbass and don't look at it
[2006-11-03 21:27:02] <~Dragoneer> ok, so...
[2006-11-03 21:27:15] <@Myr> I just said leave the cub stuff and let's move on
[2006-11-03 21:27:18] <~Dragoneer> I hate to keep calling votes, but: Leave it, filter it, it's not illegal...
[2006-11-03 21:27:21] <~Dragoneer> I vote yes.
[2006-11-03 21:27:40] <@Pinkuh> Yes
[2006-11-03 21:27:56] <@Damaratus> I highly approve of the idea of simply getting a proper working filter and allowing it.  If it becomes illegal, then we remove it.
[2006-11-03 21:28:10] <~Dragoneer> Agreed
[2006-11-03 21:28:20] <@Marthaen> I vote no. Remove it.
[2006-11-03 21:28:28] <@Pinkuh> If it becomes illegal it will be off this website faster then a spider trying to get off concreate on a hot day
[2006-11-03 21:28:33] <~Dragoneer> I will write up a long letter using the information we have been giving and go from there.
[2006-11-03 21:29:17] <@Marthaen> We don't need any more John Kerry's on this issue. We can't keep flip-flopping forever.
[2006-11-03 21:29:28] <~Dragoneer> Alright.
[2006-11-03 21:29:30] <~Dragoneer> 3 to 1.
[2006-11-03 21:29:52] <@Marthaen> I think we need a full admin count
[2006-11-03 21:29:54] <~Dragoneer> We need crypto and silverwolfe to make a decision.
[2006-11-03 21:29:58] <~Dragoneer> Majority of the admin team.
[2006-11-03 21:30:25] <@Pinkuh> what about Viate and unica
[2006-11-03 21:30:30] <~Dragoneer> Vitae is not an admin
[2006-11-03 21:30:36] <~Dragoneer> Uncia, yeah...
[2006-11-03 21:30:48] <@Myr> oh jeeze X_X I thought we just made a decision?
[2006-11-03 21:30:48] <~Dragoneer> I'll post na official "vote on..." thread in admin.
[2006-11-03 21:31:00] <~Dragoneer> People recast their votes, we'll get full admin team input...
[2006-11-03 21:31:10] <~Dragoneer> Myr: We did, but there are more than 4 people on the entire team
[2006-11-03 21:31:29] <@Myr> yeah, but they're not here
[2006-11-03 21:31:42] <@Myr> and we know how two of them will vote
[2006-11-03 21:31:55] <@Marthaen> and make sure you have it so that you can only pick one. we need a final decision
[2006-11-03 21:31:59] <@Myr> so I don't think we need to wait
[2006-11-03 21:32:07] <@Marthaen> this isn't going to be a flordia vote
[2006-11-03 21:32:19] <@Marthaen> no loose chads
[2006-11-03 21:32:21] <@Marthaen> dammit
[2006-11-03 21:32:30] <~Dragoneer> On an issue that will have dramatic repurcussion on the entire site... I am not going to make assumptions based on other admins' philosophies.
[2006-11-03 21:33:03] <@Pinkuh> Funny how we are doing this right at election time @_@
[2006-11-03 21:33:07] <@Damaratus> It's true, it will have backlashes.
[2006-11-03 21:33:08] <@Myr> Uncia votes to allow this stuff, Silverwolfe votes to ban it, and it doesn't matter how crypto votes because allowing this stuff wins
[2006-11-03 21:33:29] <@Damaratus> But if it didn't happen now, it would happen at some point later.
[2006-11-03 21:33:46] <@Marthaen> I see SilverWolfe banning as well. he's against it as much as I am.
[2006-11-03 21:34:04] <@Marthaen> but we'll wait for his vote.
[2006-11-03 21:34:36] <@Pinkuh> test?
[2006-11-03 21:35:44] <@Marthaen> fail
[2006-11-03 21:35:51] <~Dragoneer> Hold on
[2006-11-03 21:36:12] * @Marthaen holds on to Myr
[2006-11-03 21:37:33] * Myr purrs
[2006-11-03 21:37:47] * @Pinkuh cries she is tierd and hurty
[2006-11-03 21:37:49] <~Dragoneer> Ok
[2006-11-03 21:37:52] <~Dragoneer> http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4166
[2006-11-03 21:37:55] <~Dragoneer> We'll review tomorrow
[2006-11-03 21:38:24] *** Dragoneer changed topic to http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4166 -- ALL ADMINS MUST READ
[2006-11-03 21:38:38] *** Dragoneer changed nick to Dragoneer[Sleep]
[2006-11-03 21:38:45] <@Marthaen> not the pick one only type vote?
[2006-11-03 21:38:48] <~Dragoneer[Sleep]> This issue sucks...=/
[2006-11-03 21:39:02] <~Dragoneer[Sleep]> Fixed
[2006-11-03 21:39:05] <~Dragoneer[Sleep]> now vote
[2006-11-03 21:39:06] <~Dragoneer[Sleep]> I sleep
[2006-11-03 21:39:07] <~Dragoneer[Sleep]> You vote
[2006-11-03 21:39:18] <@Marthaen> k
[2006-11-03 21:45:08] * @Damaratus sighs.
[2006-11-03 22:02:50] <@Damaratus> And I've just further proven the Y!G hypocrasy.
[2006-11-03 22:03:11] <@Pinkuh> ??
[2006-11-03 22:04:58] <@Damaratus> I made a test.
[2006-11-03 22:05:02] <@Damaratus> Reported this image: http://yaoi.y-gallery.net/view/221812/
[2006-11-03 22:05:12] <@Damaratus> It was returned and no harm done.
[2006-11-03 22:05:49] <@Damaratus> Now that image is illegal in terms of Y!G's current set or rules.
[2006-11-03 22:05:51] <@Damaratus> Right?
[2006-11-03 22:06:51] <@Pinkuh> yups
[2006-11-03 22:07:33] <@Pinkuh> and according to a comment Snover made... he outright said "Even Beast and nightcrawler are no longer allowed"
[2006-11-03 22:08:28] <@Damaratus> They returned it.  Should I happily inform Snover?
[2006-11-03 22:08:50] <@Pinkuh> sure!
[2006-11-03 22:10:35] <@Damaratus> I'm starting with Star Gallery Runners.
[2006-11-03 22:10:39] <@Damaratus> I'll move from there.
[2006-11-03 22:10:47] <@Pinkuh> smart boy ^_^
[2006-11-03 22:10:48] <@Damaratus> It should be taken down if they don't want to start playing favorites.
[2006-11-03 22:11:48] <@Damaratus> I do actually like the picture too.  I just don't want them making exceptions to their stringent rules.
[2006-11-03 22:12:57] <@Pinkuh> honestly I swear that site keeps creating more rules becuase the people that run it are sick of it and want it to collapse
[2006-11-03 22:13:32] <@Damaratus> I wouldn't be surprised.
[2006-11-04 16:22:52] *** now talking in #furaffinity-core
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[2006-11-04 16:22:52] *** set by Dragoneer on Fri Nov 03 21:38:23 2006
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[2006-11-04 16:22:53] *** channel created at Tue Jun 20 10:54:09 2006
[2006-11-04 16:23:56] <@yak[CS]> heh, i was expecting that.
[2006-11-04 16:23:56] <@yak[CS]> what if i left during that day when FA had a day of downtime  and when all notes were lost? left right at the moment, leaving all things unfinished and dead? because i was feeling bad about it? because i felt the shame  of causeing so many people inconvenience?
[2006-11-04 16:23:56] <@yak[CS]> and i am just amazed at how modest you are saying "let the site die", assuming this will happend if you left. 
[2006-11-04 16:23:56] <@yak[CS]> jeez dude, get some fresh air and start thinking clearly.   you are apparently overreacting again just as it was way back then when in similar situation.
[2006-11-04 16:25:00] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I dunno. I'm just... I dunno
[2006-11-04 16:25:10] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I'm not leaving the site, I'm... I'm just so insanely stressed.
[2006-11-04 16:25:39] <@yak[CS]> not you alone, tell you what
[2006-11-04 16:25:47] <@yak[CS]> *sigh*
[2006-11-04 16:25:57] <@yak[CS]> anyway,.. 
[2006-11-04 16:26:12] <@yak[CS]> all this is but lose-lose-lose situation
[2006-11-04 16:26:20] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I know.
[2006-11-04 16:26:26] <~Preyfar[AFK]> That's what bothers me, no... bothers all of us.
[2006-11-04 16:26:41] <~Preyfar[AFK]> We know that no matter WHAT HAPPENS there is nothing really good that will come of this
[2006-11-04 16:26:43] <@yak[CS]> so better to pick one where you aare not peing pwnd too much too hard
[2006-11-04 16:26:48] <~Preyfar[AFK]> *nods*
[2006-11-04 16:26:51] <@yak[CS]> *being
[2006-11-04 16:27:04] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Banning it would be the lesser of two evils, but even doing that unlocks another can of worms...
[2006-11-04 16:27:19] <@yak[CS]> it unlocks the gates of hell
[2006-11-04 16:27:28] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Then again, so does allowing..
[2006-11-04 16:27:37] <@yak[CS]> no it isn't
[2006-11-04 16:27:40] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I think "filters" are the way to go, the only real answer.
[2006-11-04 16:27:49] <@yak[CS]> it is.
[2006-11-04 16:28:00] <@yak[CS]> people hust hae to understand that FA is a service
[2006-11-04 16:28:08] <@yak[CS]> for generl audience
[2006-11-04 16:28:37] <@yak[CS]> it doesn't cater to specific fetishes or aspects of the fandom
[2006-11-04 16:29:01] <@yak[CS]> it merely provides the storage space and the community slot to it's members
[2006-11-04 16:29:43] <~Preyfar[AFK]> You know what I find funny?
[2006-11-04 16:29:55] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Like... really funny, all this shit aside?
[2006-11-04 16:30:08] <~Preyfar[AFK]> We still got two different people who made donations.
[2006-11-04 16:30:33] <@yak[CS]> different in what way?
[2006-11-04 16:30:43] <~Preyfar[AFK]> That two seperate people donated.
[2006-11-04 16:30:53] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Despite all the drama and crap... people still do care about FA.
[2006-11-04 16:31:15] <@yak[CS]> did you though it some other way?
[2006-11-04 16:31:20] <@yak[CS]> *of
[2006-11-04 16:31:28] <~Preyfar[AFK]> What?
[2006-11-04 16:31:29] <~Preyfar[AFK]> No.
[2006-11-04 16:31:32] <~Preyfar[AFK]> They went to the Amazon account
[2006-11-04 16:31:59] <@yak[CS]> i mean, was there any doubdt?
[2006-11-04 16:31:59] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Also, I'm still getting tons of people saying they can not get password resets...
[2006-11-04 16:32:13] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Not all are at yahoo.com... I dunno wtf is happening to those e-mails
[2006-11-04 16:32:17] <@yak[CS]> i will look at it tomorrow
[2006-11-04 16:32:34] <@yak[CS]> (too much shit today, need mental rest)
[2006-11-04 16:33:37] <~Preyfar[AFK]> *nods* All of us need one
[2006-11-04 16:34:36] <@yak[CS]> get one then
[2006-11-04 16:34:54] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I am.
[2006-11-04 16:34:59] <@yak[CS]> i know i am, shooting heads off people with my trusty AWP
[2006-11-04 16:36:21] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I'm playing Splinter CEll
[2006-11-04 16:36:38] *** Damaratus (Damaratus@fur-EAB1E40.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined
[2006-11-04 16:36:38] *** ChanServ sets channel #furaffinity-core mode +o Damaratus
[2006-11-04 16:36:46] <@yak[CS]> my PC is not cool enough for me to play it :(
[2006-11-04 16:37:10] <@Damaratus> Put some sunglasses on it.  Then it'll be cool. :p
[2006-11-04 16:37:19] <~Preyfar[AFK]> heh
[2006-11-04 16:40:24] * @Damaratus yawns.
[2006-11-04 16:40:46] <~Preyfar[AFK]> By the by, I really didn't meant to seem like I was trying to over-ride over admins... I just tried to clean up the mess a bit because it had gotten grossly out of hand.
[2006-11-04 16:41:48] <@Damaratus> Well there was a reason that I was against a vote before the one you put up went up.  But now there can be nothing but mopping things up.
[2006-11-04 16:42:05] <@Damaratus> At least in the end we're keeping a level of integrity.
[2006-11-04 16:42:34] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Well...
[2006-11-04 16:42:52] <~Preyfar[AFK]> But putting up the vote/poll seemed to be the lesser of two evils.
[2006-11-04 16:43:19] <@Damaratus> I would have asked the rest of the staff about that.  Outwardly it looked like that, but I'm certain there were other ways.
[2006-11-04 16:43:28] <@Damaratus> *aside* Rats in space!  http://www.eltiempo.com/nacion/boyaca/2006-11-03/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3310620.html
[2006-11-04 16:44:12] <~Preyfar[AFK]> *nods* I saw this entire thing exploding on LJ, Myspare...
[2006-11-04 16:44:38] <~Preyfar[AFK]> So I sort of jumped up and tried to do what I can about stopping it, or at least finding a way to centralize the hate (as opposed to letting shit spread everywhere else).
[2006-11-04 16:45:23] * @Damaratus shrugs.
[2006-11-04 16:45:26] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Hrmm
[2006-11-04 16:45:27] <@Damaratus> What's done is done.
[2006-11-04 16:45:32] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I Yeah.
[2006-11-04 16:45:34] <@Damaratus> No sense in squabbling over what could have happened.
[2006-11-04 16:45:41] <~Preyfar[AFK]> The Something Awful side of me finds it freakin' hilarious.
[2006-11-04 16:45:49] <@Damaratus> I won't deny that.
[2006-11-04 16:45:51] <~Preyfar[AFK]> Because they made such a huge deal over so few pictures.
[2006-11-04 16:46:03] <@Damaratus> I think it's rediculous.
[2006-11-04 16:46:19] <@Damaratus> I've never seen people react so passionately to something that has no real bearing on their actual lives.
[2006-11-04 16:46:22] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I mean, this much drama... there are so freakin' few cub pr0n pictures on FA it's amazing.
[2006-11-04 16:46:32] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I know, right?
[2006-11-04 16:46:43] <~Preyfar[AFK]> And the funny thing is, three weeks later, people will forget all about this.
[2006-11-04 16:47:37] <@Damaratus> Yep.
[2006-11-04 16:47:41] <@Damaratus> It won't matter.
[2006-11-04 16:47:49] <@Damaratus> There's bigger things to concern one's self with.
[2006-11-04 16:47:58] <@Damaratus> But that doesn't change how "important" it is now to them.
[2006-11-04 16:48:16] <@Damaratus> Bet a large majority of furs who are old enough won't even be voting come November 7.
[2006-11-04 16:48:46] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I will, but only because I am tired of the old shitbags in the government now
[2006-11-04 16:48:58] <~Preyfar[AFK]> I am so tired of people 60 to 70 governing things who are so out-dated in their thinking...
[2006-11-04 16:49:14] *** Preyfar[AFK] changed nick to Preyfar
[2006-11-04 16:50:05] <@Damaratus> There are those in government who are just wrong right now, and I definitely want to make sure that my vote counts.
[2006-11-04 16:50:13] <~Preyfar> *nods*
[2006-11-04 16:50:24] <~Preyfar> I don't have republicans, but this "government must be ruled by Jesus" thing is...
[2006-11-04 16:51:25] <@Damaratus> Yeah.  My big problem is with Rick Santorum.  He needs to go.
[2006-11-04 16:51:59] <~Preyfar> DUDE
[2006-11-04 16:51:59] <~Preyfar> Yes
[2006-11-04 16:52:05] <~Preyfar> After the entire Schiavo thing...
[2006-11-04 16:52:49] <@Damaratus> And what he tried to do with National Weather.
[2006-11-04 16:53:03] <~Preyfar> What'd he do there?
[2006-11-04 16:53:13] <~Preyfar> LOL
[2006-11-04 16:53:30] <~Preyfar> I seem to have had a syntax error in my latest admin announcement, because it's... messed up, but pretty damn funny.
[2006-11-04 16:53:32] <~Preyfar> "If you are having password problems and are not receiving e-mails, please e-mail Kadath for November's delicious banner!"
[2006-11-04 16:53:48] <@Damaratus> Hahaha.  As for what Santorum did...
[2006-11-04 16:54:27] <@Damaratus> He tried to commercialize National Weather.  He wanted to make it so only commercial companies could provide normal weather information, while the national service could only provide information during disaster weather.
[2006-11-04 16:55:03] <~Preyfar> Ok. Header fixed...
[2006-11-04 16:55:05] <@Damaratus> Essentially that would mean that a U.S. citizen would be taxed for the fact that there is National Weather, and then have to pay again because it's provided commercially.
[2006-11-04 16:55:13] <~Preyfar> ...
[2006-11-04 16:55:20] <~Preyfar> Ok, yeah... that's stupid.
[2006-11-04 16:55:26] <@Damaratus> Of course this had nothing to do with the fact that Santorum owns 14 commercial weather stations.
[2006-11-04 16:56:24] <~Preyfar> Heh heh.
[2006-11-04 16:56:29] <~Preyfar> And he can speak to the dead...
[2006-11-04 16:57:04] <@Damaratus> :-p
[2006-11-04 16:57:13] <@Damaratus> He needs to be gone.
[2006-11-04 16:57:18] <~Preyfar> I agree.
[2006-11-04 16:59:12] <@Damaratus> I'm pretty sure he will be too, I also think that Swann is going to fail miserably trying to go up against Ed Rendell.
[2006-11-04 17:00:27] <~Preyfar> I hate the freakin' smear campaigns that come out of these elections.
[2006-11-04 17:01:26] <@Damaratus> It is rather ugly.
[2006-11-04 17:01:49] <@Myr> Rendell is Evil and so is Santorum :p
[2006-11-04 17:01:57] <@Myr> but Casey isn't much better
[2006-11-04 17:01:59] <~Preyfar> all politicians are evil. =)
[2006-11-04 17:02:02] <@Myr> true
[2006-11-04 17:03:12] <~Preyfar> Also, just a note... I'll be moving in with Cerisewlf in Krygyzstan... so i will have internets access.
[2006-11-04 17:03:17] <@Damaratus> Casey is the lesser of two weasels.
[2006-11-04 17:03:19] <~Preyfar> I may just dissapear for like a week or so when the move starts.
[2006-11-04 17:03:27] * Myr agrees and nodnods
[2006-11-04 17:04:04] <@Damaratus> I know I already asked it, but can I call you Dragnyr or Drygnyr once you get there?  It seems only right. :p
[2006-11-04 17:06:52] <@yak[CS]> later, folks.. i'll go and read a good book..
[2006-11-04 17:07:04] *** yak[CS] changed nick to yak[reading]
[2006-11-04 17:14:29] <@Myr> what's the deal with Marthaen?
[2006-11-04 17:14:39] <~Preyfar> He disagreed with our decision, left.
[2006-11-04 17:14:56] * Myr nodnods
[2006-11-04 17:15:22] * @Damaratus sighs.
[2006-11-04 17:15:57] <@Myr> I have a bomb to drop. Want it now or later?
[2006-11-04 17:16:05] <~Preyfar> Yes
[2006-11-04 17:18:12] <@Myr> This is the end of the road for me. I have failed to do what I wanted to do. The way this whole thing unfolded about cubs and the new alpha system...well, let's just say FA is still going down the same road I wanted to help turn it from.
[2006-11-04 17:18:32] <@Myr> So, effective in 5 minutes, I'll be leaving as well
[2006-11-04 17:18:41] <~Preyfar> *nods* I understand, Myr... =/ Sorry to see you go.
[2006-11-04 17:19:11] <@Myr> Please note that my reason is not because of the outcome of the decision or of any decisions made.
[2006-11-04 17:19:29] <@Myr> I just really wanted to try to make things better and improve stuff, but that really hasn't worked out. :/
[2006-11-04 17:19:49] <~Preyfar> Dude, s'all good... so long as we can remain cool on a personal level. =) I understand that things haven't quite worked out, nor have they worked out how I wanted to see them
[2006-11-04 17:21:02] <@Myr> Yep, nothing personal. >^.=.^< It's just a policy/practice thing.
[2006-11-04 17:21:17] <@Myr> that and you all already know I've been around here less because of college
[2006-11-04 17:21:28] <~Preyfar> Well, help us out with the TOS thing at least... we need feedback on that. =D
[2006-11-04 17:23:20] <@Myr> I'll have to think about it. I'm not really sure if I have time to do all that reading, which is why I've been shying away from it in the first place. It's a lot of stuff to read and think about how the wording and cases apply to a variety of situations and possible scenerios
[2006-11-04 17:23:46] <~Preyfar> *nods* It's been a bit mind-boggling in recent events...
[2006-11-04 17:24:24] <@Myr> Yeah, I think it's really registering in my mind as "too much", especially when you run it up against all the homework I've been getting
[2006-11-04 17:24:54] <~Preyfar> Eh, no worry dude... =) If you wanna come back down the road after things get more in line, I'm cool with that.
[2006-11-04 17:25:45] <@Myr> I'll think about it if the time comes. >^.=.^<
[2006-11-04 17:26:09] <@Myr> Thanks for the offer. *purrs*
[2006-11-04 17:26:20] <~Preyfar> http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4144&pid=60592#pid60592
[2006-11-04 17:26:22] <~Preyfar> Funny.
[2006-11-04 17:26:58] <@Myr> Well, it has been enjoyable meeting you all. Good luck and I hope things calm down after the cub thing is solved. >^.=.^<
[2006-11-04 17:27:03] * Myr growls at Rainboweyes
[2006-11-04 17:27:04] <~Preyfar> *chews* Be good, dude.
[2006-11-04 17:27:09] <@Myr> Before I leave, I vote to ban him
[2006-11-04 17:27:13] <@Myr> :p
[2006-11-04 17:27:22] <@Myr> my 5 minutes aren't up yet!
[2006-11-04 17:27:25] <~Preyfar> Yes. I thought we did at one point, too...
[2006-11-04 17:27:48] <~Preyfar> For their endless conspiracies and hostilities against the admins, spreading blatant lies, etc.
[2006-11-04 17:28:06] <@Myr> Yep
[2006-11-04 17:28:37] <@Myr> I know I've gotten tired of him just pulling stuff out of his ass. This is just one more example.
[2006-11-04 17:30:01] <~Preyfar> I swore to god I had taken action on them, but I can find nothing in the logs...
[2006-11-04 17:30:04] <~Preyfar> WEIRD.
[2006-11-04 17:30:10] <@Myr> Probably a different account
[2006-11-04 17:30:34] <@Myr> I dunno
[2006-11-04 17:30:47] <~Preyfar> Well, I'm too tired to deal with them anymore...
[2006-11-04 17:30:51] <~Preyfar> I know we warned them in the past.
[2006-11-04 17:30:53] <@Myr> I'm going to dinner, bye, take care, and hope that move goes well >^.=.^<
[2006-11-04 17:30:55] * Myr agrees
[2006-11-04 17:30:58] <~Preyfar> *chews*
[2006-11-04 23:57:23] *** now talking in #furaffinity-core
[2006-11-04 23:57:23] *** topic is http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4166 -- ALL ADMINS MUST READ
[2006-11-04 23:57:23] *** set by Dragoneer on Fri Nov 03 21:38:23 2006
[2006-11-04 23:57:23] *** channel #furaffinity-core mode is +sntr 
[2006-11-04 23:57:23] *** channel created at Tue Jun 20 10:54:09 2006
[2006-11-04 23:57:27] <Myr> Hey
[2006-11-04 23:57:42] <Myr> I just got a really nasty Database Error message
[2006-11-04 23:57:44] <Myr> "For security reasons, this error will not be shown. Please check the website logs for more information."
[2006-11-04 23:58:23] <Myr> it happened when trying to use http://www.furaffinity.net/msg/others/
[2006-11-04 23:59:32] <Myr> I was running a nuke on comments since I had so many of em