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Author: JC
Date: 02-01-05 17:45
How did Propellerheads make the tb-303 emulation? Did they follow the schematics of the original to guide the coding or what?
And lastly, can we really tell the difference between when RDJ and Vibert use their silver boxes versus a Reason/ReBirth?
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Author: L0b3
Date: 02-01-05 18:11
i dont know.. i think its possibly to get the sound close enough so that you cant tell the difference. but some say that there is a warmth,and a thicker sound to the real thing. which is kind of true..because some emulators just sound thin. i have learned to look for 303 sounds outside of the standard emulators.
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Author: Japes
Date: 02-01-05 18:19
Can you get Rebirth for MacOS X? It runs like a big steaming turd off Classic on my iBook.
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Author: karek
Date: 02-01-05 18:22
The emulators go for the cliche sounds. That squelchy acid. There is more to a 303.
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Author: cunt
Date: 02-01-05 19:24
from what ive read /heard /found the sound of the 303 is more the sequencer than the subtractive synth bit....it sposed 2 have loads of quirks which give it its character.
and somethin about the resonant lpfs which never go into self oscillation
im gonna nick one one day..walk into some 'community music studio' grab a fucker & leg it.if they catch me ill persuade em not 2 presss charges by telling them im on smack & stealing to order
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Author: pete ascdi
Date: 02-01-05 21:35
i think this one is the best:
http://www.audiorealism.se/
but then again, it's not really all that close. it's quite fun to play around with, but i don't think i'd use it in a track. best to leave that to the professionals.
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Author: karek
Date: 02-02-05 03:03
Yo know how the professionals use them? The take the batteries out and put'em back in. That apparently creates random patters. I don't think anyone really programs them properly.
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Author: karek
Date: 02-02-05 03:08
Id love to get a 303 and devilfish that mother. It's got to feel weird spending that much dough on one, though. That's around 1400 total
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Author: (mully)
Date: 02-02-05 03:10
I think the mc303 is the biggest load of steaming turd roland have made. As for emulations, i like to use the tb synth patch on the subtractor synth in reason, and then use the matrix to sequence it...no where near the same as a real one but you can still have lots of fun with it. I think roland should reproduce all those original bad sound machines as pocket sized fun boxes that snap together to produce a big 'mini rack' of sound machines in your pocket. Kind of like power rangers but with no good or evil. Seriously though, why havent they started making them again - when you see TB303's going for 7 or 800 quid (with MIDI) they surely could make lots of moolah out of it? instead they produce the crappy MC....
"I want a 303 for christmas mummy" said derek
"only good little boys get squelchy acid basslines in their stockings derek, now go and tidy your studio, its a bloody mess"
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Author: karek
Date: 02-02-05 03:48
I know, Why don't they? But what they'll do, cause these companies can't resist, is put digital shit in them. Purists will cry foul and the real tb-303 will keep it's price. They'd have to do it exact. Which they won't
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Author: !wok!u!w
Date: 02-02-05 06:15
man.. how killer would that be? little snap together sound units the size of a gameboy advance.. you could start a little band, have impromptu jams with strangers . . . 'yo i got a 808 mini.. anyone got a 303? no but ive got the 101 ADVANCE' wooh fun fun fun
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Author: Dom
Date: 02-02-05 09:38
If you've got Reaktor there's some pretty good emulations...One called LunchBox is the best I've heard.
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Author: analord
Date: 02-02-05 09:54
Have you heard some of the acid riffs on analord,fucking amazing
whats he using?
I mean it sounds like a 303 but then again I dont think it is.
I want to buy my boyfriend one for valentines day!
it sounds like a magic 303 to me
Where`s your girlfriend has a really werid tuning on it?!?
the untitled track sounds unlike any 303 ive heard.
and mc4 acid totally magic 303 sounds....oh and xmd ,mental acid!!!!
bwoon dub
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Author: blackelmo
Date: 02-02-05 22:38
Speaking of Analord and Roland, those two words are almost letter scrambles or each other. Hmmm. I wonder if that was intentional...
"bwoon dub" It sounds like there's a 909 in there. And I hear the Drumatix too. Is all Analord a Roland thingy I wonder? Sorry if this has been discussed already in one of the many Analord threads.
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Author: circular-konrad
Date: 02-05-05 05:57
it's not an emulation, but did anyone yet used one these acidlab basslines, or heared more about? viewable on www.acidlab.de
they say it's got less noise and more range on the filters..
don't know if i should like that. less noise? less character...
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Author: karek
Date: 02-05-05 11:07
I guess if you want that typical 303 howl, but I like the more bassy 303 lines.
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-05-05 13:36
but some say that there is a warmth,and a thicker sound to the real thing. which is kind of true..because some emulators just sound thin.
Load
of
shit.
Not a single one of you can tell the difference between "emulated" and "real" electronic music. You know why? BECAUSE WHETHER IT COMES FROM A 303 OR REBIRTH IT'S STILL FUCKING FUCKING ELECTRONIC, YOU STUPID JACKOFFS. It's not fucking CATGUT on a VIOLIN; there's no physical quality to the instrument to define the "original" from the "fake."
Sheesh.
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Author: analord
Date: 02-05-05 13:49
there's no physical quality to the instrument to define the "original" from the "fake."
ha its so funny when people think they are soooo right and yet sooo wrong classic
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Author: Mattrock
Date: 02-05-05 13:50
Oooooo handbag!!!
there might be a bit of noise if the machine's fucked. I bet you could tell I was using my 606 if I put in in a track. It hums like a bee. It is undoubtedly the case that hardware has a "fuller" sound.
Sheesh!!!
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Author: Japes
Date: 02-05-05 13:50
It's just that analogue equiptment has a warmer sound to it. You can get that from computers too, but you need plug-ins for that. While I generally can't tell the difference, I have to say that I've noticed there are slight variations. After all, they're made by different companies, so there's going to be slight discrepancies here and there.
-Alan Titmash-
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Author: karek
Date: 02-05-05 14:32
I just got an mks-80 with programmer. Well, about a month ago. Very sexy basslines.
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-05-05 17:44
ha its so funny when people think they are soooo right and yet sooo wrong classic
Yeah also funny when you say absolutely nothing with a lot of words lol
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Author: pinkj
Date: 02-05-05 18:43
i'd love to get actual *0* gear not because it might sound better. because i think it would be a blast to mix the machines on the fly. rebirth is great but i wish you could add your own effects to the machines instead of solely relying on the PCF, delay and distortion. and you can spot those PCF patterns in half a second.
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Author: épingle à cheveux
Date: 02-05-05 18:44
i always hoped i'd get to have an argument with someone in the know about these things on slsk or somewhere. but as richard says, they really don't know, unfortunately. reveal seems to have forgotten that although "it's still fucking electronic", there is also "analogue", and digital", and hence also the difference to be found in emulating real physical things with mathematics. people are happy to accept statements like "computer graphics aren't yet photorealistic", but you still get people saying that an emulation is indistinguishable from the real thing. how is that logical? it COULD be, one day, but it doesn't mean it is now. it's all about the level of detail that goes into the maths behind it, surely. if you want the most accurate representation of something, you need more detail. and thus a digital representation might not yet exhibit the required level of detail. hey rich, guess what, my mate had a dream a few years back and in it you and me were best mates.
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Author: proxxxy
Date: 02-05-05 21:29
another thing to keep in mind is that "playing" an instrument is inherently different than programming it.
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Author: cunt
Date: 02-06-05 05:42
i think its funny that the TB303 was supposed sound like a bass guitar a task at which its now so renowned for basically being totally crap at
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Author: barry
Date: 02-06-05 05:47
unless you're squarepusher, i can picture someone spazzing away with their thumb flying to most of his acid lines :D
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Author: hard.off
Date: 02-06-05 06:48
i don't know shit, ask anyone...but
analogue gear is based on wires and transistors, and lots of physical stuff like that.....and when you press down on a note, an actual electrical signal is sent through a whole maze of these wires and electronic doo-da's. Your signal is a flow of electrons...and the way in which those electrons react with the capacitors and transistors and oscillators is in constant flux. the current goes up and down a bit, the voltages are not always 100% steady....in older gear, some bits might start to get "worn out" and get some character from that....heaps of stuff will shape the sound of an analogue signal.
- anyway, the important thing is that you have this flowing signal, and it gets richer and richer as it makes its way towards the outputs.
in a computer or digital device, the "sound" is nothing but a bunch of one's and zero's in code...which gets converted into an outputtable "signal" at the LAST stage (ie, your soundcard, in a computer; or the audio autputs in your digital hardware)..because the sound is "rendered" all at once in your soundcard, it doesn't have that rich, moulded feeling that an analogue signal has.
that's not scientific fact or anything....i just thought it through for myself.
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Author: !wok!u!w
Date: 02-06-05 07:08
i just went round to this guys house he had a sh101, 808, jupiter 6 and a ermm.. other thing. . . synth. . . dont really remember... but i spent a few hours syncing them up and having a muck around..i'll pop it up later (like anyone wants to hear it hahaha) but yes, it is infinitely more fun, and at the same time unbelivably frustrating to use this gear... but, if i got it for free, i would not say no :)
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-06-05 11:12
and hence also the difference to be found in emulating real physical things with mathematics.
I'm glad you thought this out, but you missed my point. A 303 is not a "physical" instrument anymore than a television set is a physical painting. The sound it produces is not made by striking it's cover or plucking it's transistors; it is an emulation of an instrument (bass guitar) and digital plugins are a meta-emulation of that.
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Author: cunt
Date: 02-06-05 11:29
is a hammond organ a real instrument ? u dont pluck or strike anything directly with loads of things i reckon u'd consider 2 be 'real physical instruments',so whats the difference if electrons are doing the work instead of larger mechanical things ?
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Author: karek
Date: 02-06-05 11:53
analord? You have anything to say to that? I mean, Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Novices, sheeesh!
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Author: button for 5
Date: 02-06-05 12:11
I don't pluck or strike the body of my violin, but the quality of the wood and finish are one of the most important determinants in what makes a great violin.
It's the physical characteristics of what's making the sound. That's exactly what's happening with analogue vs digital. With analogue you have an infinite range of values for an electric signal.. so you're getting a completely full sound. With digital you only have two possible values for the signal.. hence you're always going to have holes in the sound. With higher bitrates and sampling frequencies the holes will get smaller and smaller... but will never reach a truly full range.
So yes.. it's definitely a matter of physical difference.
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Author: !wok!u!w
Date: 02-06-05 16:38
for me its a matter of a monetary difference because im skint.
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-06-05 18:50
With analogue you have an infinite range of values for an electric signal.. so you're getting a completely full sound. With digital you only have two possible values for the signal.. hence you're always going to have holes in the sound. With higher bitrates and sampling frequencies the holes will get smaller and smaller... but will never reach a truly full range.
Eh, this is a bit of a stretch in logic. Nyquist's Theorem more than covers the digital equivalents for the range of human hearing, and anything that you apply theoretically beyond that is highly dubious, because it pertains to ideas, not actual observable instances.
Also, it does not cover the fact that digital recording is done along the way in virtually every modern electronic recording. So unless you have a real 303, recorded to analog reel tape in every step of the mastering process, bounced through analog mixers, and pressed to vinyl, there is a digital bottleneck regardless.
Also, this equates to an unreasonable classism between artists -- those who can afford real equipment, and those who are relagated to buying (or more likely, stealing) emulation software. How many of you have the actual Analord records, with the accompanying $80 USD bound folder? Answer: the rich kids, and the poor kids who saved up because they aspire to be LIKE the rich kids. I'm sure I'll take a hit for that one, but whatever. The truth hurts sometimes.
It's just a stupid acid line fer chrissakes!
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Author: analord
Date: 02-06-05 20:14
some people bought the analogue equipment when it was unfashionable and very cheap though.
some of us are over 30 you know!
anyone remember when 303`s were £50? and coke was 16p a tin? crisps 5p
also you have overlooked A LOT of other points because its not all about the overall frequency response of the recording system its how the sound gets there in the first place.
here are some things which you can`t get from a plugin,they are often emulated but due to their hugely complex nature are always pretty crass aproximations..
the sound of analogue equpiment including EQ, changes very noticably over even a few hours due to temperature changes within a circuit.
Anyone who has tried to make tracs on a few analogue synths and make them stay in tune can tell you this,you leave a trac running for a few hours come back and think Im sure I didnt fucking write that,I must be going mental!
this affects all the components in a synth/EQ in an almost infinte amount of tiny ways.
and the amount differs from circuit to circuit depending on the design.
the interaction of different channels and their respective signals with an analogue mixer are very complex,EQ,dynamics....
any fx, analogue or digital that are plugged into it all have their own special complex characteristics and all interact with each other differently and change depending on their routing.
Nobody that ive heard of has even begun to start emulating analogue mixer circuitry in software,just the aesthetics,it will come but im sure it will be a crap half hearted effort like most pretend synth plugins are.
they should be called PST synths, P for pretend not virtual.
Every piece of outboard gear has its own sound ,reverbs,modulation effects etc
real room reverb, this in itself companies have spent decades trying to emulate and not even got close in my opinion, even the best attempts like Quantec and EMT only scratch the surface.
analogue EQ is currently impossible in theory to be emulated digitally,quite intense maths shit involed in this if youre really that interested,you could look it up...good luck.
your soundcard will always make things sound like its come from THAT soundcard..they ALL impose their different sound characteristics onto whatever comes out of them they are far from being totally neutral devices.
all the components of a circuit like resistors and capacitors subtley differ from each other depending on their quality but even the most high quality milatary spec ones are never EXACTLY the same.
no two analogue synths can ever be built exactly the same,there are tiny human/automated errors in building the circuits,tweaking the trimpots for example which is usually done manually in a lot of analogue shit.
just compare the sound of 2 808 drum machines next to each other and you will see what I mean,you always thought an 808 was an 808 right?
same goes for 303`s they all sound subltey different,different voltage scaling of the oscillator is usually quite noticable.
VST plugins are restricted by a finite number of calculations per second these factors are WAY beyond their CURRENT capability.
Then there is the question of the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is probably the biggest factor I think.
for example the smell of analogue stuff as well as the look of it puts you in a certain mental state which is very different from looking at a computer screen.
then there is analogue tape...ah this really could go on forever....
im quite drunk cant be bothered to type anymore...
so yeah,whatever, you obviously dont have to have analogue equipment to make `good` music in case thats the impression im giving,EVERYTHING has its uses .And not all anlaogue equipment is expensive you can still get bargains like old high end military audio devices,tape machines fx etc just go for the unfashionable stuff.
Richard.
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Author: anboi
Date: 02-06-05 20:16
you're not telling me you can't tell the difference between the rebirth 303 and the audiorealism 303 and a real 303 can you? they are definitely very different. it's incredibly difficult to produce an accurate simulation of a piece of gear for lots and lots of reasons, some good ones given in an above post. i'll agree that it's technically feasible to do a perfect simulation and that analogue recorded onto digital is the same as digital in effect, but no-one has yet made a fully accurate rendition of a piece of hardware in software.
the deal is that if you can't afford the gear then you use the next best thing - the software copy. and sometimes it's good enough for what you want and sometimes it is not.
i aspire to own good music that i like listening to - hence my owning copies of analord 1& 2 (and i ordered ten but am worried by it's continued absence). I also would love a real 303 because software is not quite good enough most of the time. (although i have had a couple of tracks with tiny heavily processed rebirth 303 samples released)
it's not a rich/poor thing it's an if you want quality you pay for it thing.
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Author: karek
Date: 02-06-05 20:40
"old high end military audio devices"..wow, what are those? What an awesome post. Does the physicality of a sampler matter to you? Some types of gear have a lineage of awful interfaces. Like, oh, samplers. Very lucid post for a drunken master. Thanks. ;-)
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Author: karek
Date: 02-06-05 20:53
There is also the difference of IC's and discreet circuit synths. The latter having even more non linearities and often more valued and desired for their unique character. Such as the ems synthi. The 70's synths, basically.
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-06-05 21:55
Actually, AL, you and I are making the same argument from different angles. As you said yourself, each soundcard imposes it's own characteristic sound on whatever you're listening to / composing. In a sense, this is parallel to the subtle nuances between analog circuits. So even if the VST synth itself is the same in every instance it is used (a perfect copy of data from computer to computer, with only the smallest nuances for reg codes / cracked versions), the soundcard that is rendering it is not. And even if every Sound Blaster series card, for example, were exactly the same, they would differe from Ensonic cards, Masetro cards, Hammerfalls etc. There are at least thousands of combinations of emulator / card even with this assumption, and each card has subtle nuances as well, especially in the amplifier section (which is very close to miniturized analog, if not entirely so).
At any rate, thanks for a thought-out reply.
As for anboi:
it's not a rich/poor thing it's an if you want quality you pay for it thing.
Are you fucking retarded? Read what you just wrote, jackass.
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Author: crapy0405
Date: 02-06-05 22:33
just a question :
whatever the soundcard is used, take an simple example :
granular resynth from an N.I Kontakt.
just up slowly the 12.00 tune range of any sample, or, better, automate the parameter in a looooong progression .....
you will CLEARLY ear a king of progressive-regular- step for the calcul.
for, me, it's the only way to work on automation with granular sampling,
( absynth is good to for creating landscape sound, but not a full tweakable synth/sampler. )
tell me if i'm wrong, but, when someone i don't remember on this post says that the analog module have the full range of the sound, if i have understood, it's like the infinite step i have not when the granular resynth of kontakt do an imitation of a castle's stair ?
in this case, is there any fuckin granular hard' sampler ?
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Author: tront
Date: 02-06-05 23:29
while we're on a kind of simlar thing did anyone hear that quantegy is going out of business?
quantegy is the last company in existence to make analog master recording tape
well, it's not gonna be in existence any more i guess
quick! go to the store and buy up all the maxell 90 min cassettes!!!
that kind of renders the analog vs digital debate very weird
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Author: button for 5
Date: 02-07-05 00:09
"Then there is the question of the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is probably the biggest factor I think. "
I'm glad someone pointed this out.. Too much number-crunching can really make one forget what's truly important(every now and then it happens to me when I'm not thinking clearly enough.......)
A few weeks ago I had my first experience with an Arp 2600. Spent at least a good hour going crazy tweaking the sliders and rearranging patch cords.. at one point had like 4 or 5 of us playing it at the same time. As a physical instrument it was extremely exciting and inspiring.. A few days later I was messing with this 2600 vsti demo and I couldn't stand it! Sure, it may be able to create similar sounds but I couldn't bring myself to make the crazy stuff I was doing with real one. It didn't feel right.. felt disconnected.. more generic.... -eh.. I'm sleepy and I just lost my train of thought so I'm going to bed now. Gnight.
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Author: Japes
Date: 02-07-05 00:48
Yeah, I write entirely different melodies (often more dischords) when I'm using real instruments/hands on equiptment.
-Alan Titmash-
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Author: omblongus pie
Date: 02-07-05 02:54
Ive got one of these, the first synth roland ever made the sh-1000, its a bit moogy but a fraction of the cost.
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Author: me
Date: 02-07-05 05:05
"And not all anlaogue equipment is expensive you can still get bargains like old high end military audio devices,tape machines fx etc just go for the unfashionable stuff."
I found that when trying to get any type of gear it's easiest when there are different trends coming through for example the influx of digital equipment around (around the late 80's early 90's i can't remember exactly) was an easy time to get gear because people were ditching the analogue and early 80's what would be considered "classic" synths and bits drum machines etc.
i have the same gear i have had for almost 10 years and yes they can be cranky and a pain to program at times but, it was cheap serves it puposes to make the bleeps and blops that I want... and yes military gear is loads of fun and some of can take quite a beating and it's pretty easy to get your hands on if you know where to look. but i also use some (p)vsts, both ways have their selling points depending on what you want to do.
when you know what your gear can do, try to find out what else your gear can do. it doesn't necessarily have to be analogue bits. although it's much more fun to be hands on, pushing buttons and twiddling knobs. look for the possibilities before you throw your last paycheque away on something that looks good and does nothing interesting. some of the best music made was probably made with gear that cost less than most people's outfits - without a computer.
and... i like the smell of my gear.
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Author: karek
Date: 02-07-05 06:59
I like the mpc samplers. Very fun interface for a sampler. What military devices? This one is throwing me. I know vocoders were invented for military use, but...
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Author: anboi
Date: 02-07-05 07:22
ok reveal, i'm not sure what you mean, i'm retarded why?
>Also, this equates to an unreasonable classism between artists -- those who can >afford real equipment, and those who are relagated to buying (or more likely, >stealing) emulation software. How many of you have the actual Analord records, >with the accompanying $80 USD bound folder? Answer: the rich kids, and the poor >kids who saved up because they aspire to be LIKE the rich kids. I'm sure I'll take a >hit for that one, but whatever. The truth hurts sometimes.
>>it's not a rich/poor thing it's an if you want quality you pay for it thing.
>Are you fucking retarded? Read what you just wrote, jackass.
what's retarded is that you are saying that people are only buying analord or analogue synths because they are rich or want to be like rich people.
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Author: proxxxy
Date: 02-07-05 09:51
<img src = "http://img236.exs.cx/img236/2888/libretto8in.jpg">
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Author: proxxxy
Date: 02-07-05 09:53
btw, that picture gives me such a chubby, you have no idea.
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Author: proxxxy
Date: 02-07-05 09:58
dude, that picture doesn't belong to me
it belongs to the internet
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Author: drfuturity
Date: 02-07-05 10:03
The SH-1000 is supposed to have a unique growl sound, but it's presets are supposed to be rubbish and it's pretty limited. Haven't played one, myself.
The SH-101 is a lot of fun to play with....
-df
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Author: Qrqyt
Date: 02-07-05 11:15
the military used to use these things called pulse generators for submarines or something. An olive drab box with big dials on it. My friend had one, it makes blasts of low frequency pulses that kill speakers. He used to play it through a giant P.A. cabinet
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Author: JC
Date: 02-07-05 11:42
Right fucking ace that the man came on and dropped serious knowledge!
I posted this subject because after listening to Analord, then pulling out some Universal Indicators, and then etc., I tried in earnest to use Rebirth and other stuff to replicate the lines. If you want to copy Hardfloor, it's no problem. But, the Rephlex/RDJ/etc. stuff is not so easily done. It all came together when I compared my own SH-101 to the VST emulation on Cubase and was quite shocked.
The tuning is fucked up in Girlfriend and I fucking love it. There are also seams and blips in the song structure and I love that shit too. Enough already of the precise edits and whatnot
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Author: pete ascdi
Date: 02-07-05 13:05
Then there is the question of the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is probably the biggest factor I think.
for example the smell of analogue stuff as well as the look of it puts you in a certain mental state which is very different from looking at a computer screen.
i'd also like to mention my appreciation for that portion of rich's (?!?!?!) post. i don't have much (that money thing), but i do have a frostwave resonator, and there is just no comparing the sound of that (analog) thing to anything else.
also, the point is to embrace what you've got. seems to me that acid was all about buying this cheap shit (x0x's were cheap at the time, like we've said) and using it wrongly (ie. not to make bass guitar noises) for the purposes of wickedness. tracking down some bullshit, mass-market product (sorry, respect to rebirth, but it's totally commodified the classic sound) for the express purpose of IMITATING that old tunage is totally missing the fucking point, which was to be original.
i wasn't around for the beginning of acid (i think i was well into he-man at the time), but i can imagine how fucking mental that whole tweaky 303 sounded at the time compared to everything else "proper". and now people either a.) write elaborate algorithms to imitate this gear and style or b.) pay exhorbitant sums of cash to buy the real gear so they can imitate this style. both of which are approaches totally against everything the style stood for in the first place! fucked, yeah?
so obviously, the solution is to forge ahead and find the new mentalism. personally, i think the breakcore / tracker revolution (if you can forgive the stereotyping) is beginning to reach that level. and it's sort of the same thing-- a lot of the mentalism of the style is dictated directly by the parameters of the "gear"-- ie. all the 09xx business and 0exx business, yeah? i can't wait for the first fucking kylie single with some gronky-ass IT style timestretches. that's my bet for the next sound to be fetishized.
point is crass after-school-special cliche, but dead-on: work hard as fuck with what you've got, and give everything to get your hands on what you want. that's the only way to make decent tunes.
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Author: nadmai
Date: 02-07-05 14:31
>I know vocoders were invented for military use, but...<
Well there was Cher on that battleship, they should have just sailed that old mofo into iraq, problem solved, it would have cleared the entire country.
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Author: !wok!u!w
Date: 02-07-05 16:41
i love that this thread is pretty much a mu-board highlights reel for january 2005
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Author: subjex
Date: 02-07-05 16:56
some glasses of rhum +coco put me into this debate :
for me the cool thing with acid is not the fact it's coming for a 303 or whatever analogic stuff (fetishism...)
the cool thing with it is its timbre and frequencies wich r kindof "psychoacoustic" or at least it work really great on your brain+stomach+feet when u have eaten some acid trips (also working with beer). it makes your GUTS SHAKE....and u could make some with many kind of synths with good oscillators and filters (moreover drugged people will always have good reaction to acid sounds , emulated or not) even if 303is great obviously
are you telling yourself "i'm sure this this an emulation of 303, not the real one", while dancing?
on the wanky debate analog vs digital/vst whatever .it will in some years be reduce to zero when big bit depth and impulse response modelling will be the average technology..;human ear won't make any different at this time. (and i'm sure that all the analog feeling could also be a bit emulate with some smooth random variations on some synthesis parameters...just a question of modelling algorythm....trust the scientists
perso i'm fan of reaktor for acid like sounds cuz of the crunchy sound it has
only RDJ prog skills make the difference inmy opinion oh and i remember some supa basslines on dropbass network or communiqué labels
k 'm drunk bye
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Author: sweeZ
Date: 02-07-05 18:59
"are you telling yourself "i'm sure this this an emulation of 303, not the real one", while dancing?"
ha! spot on! sadly i think some people do stand on dancefloors thinking this stuff (shit just gave myself away, bollocks)
(ok ok it's alright to think it, just don't be impressed with yourself for thinking it when you could be having more fun getting arseholed and dancing badly)
ooarr the wanky digi/analogue marathon..
"it will in some years be reduce to zero when big bit depth and impulse response modelling will be the average technology..;human ear won't make any different at this time." yeah I heard that you discern more of the really high freq shit in the hairs on your skin than you do from 'directly hearing' it. Makes sense to me, remember when you used to see peeps doing a 'live set' and that had basically meant them ripping all their midi gear out of their home.. and how great that stuff sounds kicking out of a PA? That's the shit that makes your hair stand up!! Shame this rarely happens these days : [
you can bet your last rolo that in 20 years time we'll all be reminiscing about the great crunchy sound of 16bit 44.1kHz in the same way that we cop all over great 60s tape recordings... people will be throwing stupid money at fkin ADATs or whatever..(ok that's far fetched, but...?) in tha futaarr our hi-fis will be so shithot, all this computer-music malarky will become completely desirable out of its limitations... like a '64 precision bass or whatever...
how we will scoff at these crude 2dimensional pixel displays! Imagine the endless laughter as we tell our children about 24bit D/A conversion!! hahaaa..
as if anyone's gonna care, we'll all be deaf cunts with brain damage, boring our grandkids shitless about 'raves' and 'kick drums'... they'll be too busy playing with eachothers minds or some shit... is a bassline going to seem remotely intense or interesting to a kid in 20 years? Ever tried reading any popular novels from the '50s and just found them really rigid, hard work, not sharp enough... just had this experience, makes me wonder how all this current stuff is going to age...
I'm well sober - see how I talk shit anyway!
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Author: karek
Date: 02-07-05 19:39
This is hands down my favorite thread ever in my 10 years of browsing the net. With browsers. Namely, Mozilla.
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Author: proxxxy
Date: 02-07-05 22:56
nice post ascdi!!!
you hit it right on the head.
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Author: perrence corriander
Date: 02-08-05 00:56
I use an old synthetone Jen Sx1000, it's not programable, no presets just pure analouge 3 wave form monophonic bliss. I love just mucking around with it and then sampling it, I got some good 303 emulation stabs out of it and the nice thing about it is the sound is nice and thick.
I no that Luke Virbirt, F.S.O.l., used to use them in there early days
PeZ:-)
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Author: !wok!u!w
Date: 02-08-05 01:37
whered that pic come from proxxx? it intruigues meh
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Author: subjex
Date: 02-08-05 04:15
Sweez : "you can bet your last rolo that in 20 years time we'll all be reminiscing about the great crunchy sound of 16bit 44.1kHz in the same way that we cop all over great 60s tape recordings... people will be throwing stupid money at fkin ADATs or whatever..(ok that's far fetched, but...?)"
hehe yeah, but if u follow my point bout impulse modelling, everything could be emulated, that's all the deal with Impulse response : you will have all the algorythms from decades of electric or electronic machines, softs whatever
(oh and i was talking bout processing bit depth not only sample rates)
all kind of amp simulation, tube, amp, compressor , convertors, mic, filters etc... + the possibility of constructing your own Impusle etc... + all the physic modelisation. it already exists of course but years will make that device a perfect emulation so it won't be of any mean to search for a special old gear... and we will have mega cpu
mmm in fact i admit it's just a fantasm for me as i don't have any euros to spend hehehe :)
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Author: sweeZ
Date: 02-08-05 04:41
hey subjex...
As an engineer I get to use hairy ProTools rigs for a living, which is nice, means I get to be driven insane using amazing gear that's not mine... : ]
Have been using more and more of these convolution reverbs (use the Trillium Lane Labs one as well as Altiverb pretty extensively... have tried out the Waves version... I have just got Space Designer for my new Logic system at home) I swear these plugs have a 'sound' of their own.. is it the difference of the algorithm they've implemented? The fact that they all recorded their impulse tones with different mics / convertors ...? Sure this is particularly the case for recorded impulses in halls and so on, but when it comes to say an EMT plate emulation? (oh shit hang on none of those were ever the same either!!) or an emulation of a digital reverb unit?.. ok you get the idea, I guess there is no way of knowing, the capture of impulses has an inherently analogue and therefore flawed/unquantifiable stage, no?
I've heard you can take the impulses from say, Space Designer, and load those into Altiverb and so on.. this I'm interested in finding out about, coz I guess what I've been trying to say all along is that all these different plugs seem to have a different feel from eachother.. I'm just not sure how much I buy into the thinking that things could ever be truely and transparently emulated.
hmmmmmm though I suppose it's just a case of numbers getting bigger and bigger...? Even so it strikes me that emulation by its very nature will always be a more static and therefore less good version of the real thing.
whad'ya reckon?
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Author: subjex
Date: 02-08-05 06:21
sweez :
you may be right and i've to admit that you also might have more experience bout this than me cuz i only refers to a really few tests and some tech readings...
and that's right that to emulate analog u have to get your impulse from analog device hehe for sure
in fact perhaps humans/scientists have to first find the real value of PI i guess (what reach the point of Liverlips)
liverlips : this just deals with good 303 emulation ;)
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Author: oxygenfad
Date: 02-08-05 10:18
PROXXY YOU ARE MY HERO.
Fasttracker 2 for life!
You yuppies and your gear... BAH!
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-08-05 11:18
Librettos are amazing. Literally the size of a piece of paper folded in half. The new ones are totally sweet, but the old school ones rule as well.
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Author: proxxxy
Date: 02-08-05 11:47
yeah, man. I want one of those so bad. It's pretty crazy how inexpensive some of those old ones are now.
Especially if you're running fasttracker2, and only fasttracker2, that shit is way faster than you need (my friend bought a 10 dollar computer to run ft2 and it ran like 80x faster than most of the stuff I use now!)
As soon as I get some disposable income ... :)
I got the picture from the renoise forums, btw.
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Author: omblongus pie
Date: 02-08-05 11:58
Ive got one of these as well, yamaha cs-01 got it for £25 quid in "cash converters" or as we call it "Smack converters". I think they thought it was some kind of shitty home keyboard. Its actually a really good synth with some wicked sounds.
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Author: omblongus pie
Date: 02-08-05 12:19
Analogue punksters, years ahead of thier time it seems why did they split? they were so good.
Shame
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Author: chris
Date: 02-08-05 12:27
ahead or behind?
add n to x probably put on the best live electronic music show i've seen. maybe tied with mum, but mum didn't seem that electronic live...
i was going to write a big tirade about moisture and temperature affecting analog equipment in a myriad of ways compared to the 'working properly/not working properly' affects of temp. + moist. on emulators (computers), but that lousy analord guy beat me to it.
i'm just going to stick to reed instruments.
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Author: joke_account
Date: 02-08-05 14:21
i didn't like add n to x. they proved very uncomfortable listening for me and were just ever so slightly too 'indie' for me to understand them when that album came out (1998 right?)
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Author: karek
Date: 02-08-05 16:22
So I guess I should be paying as much attention to the reverb in plenty harmonium as the harmonium. It does sound like real room reverb. I hear the early lexicons like the lxp-1 are nice. More of an artificial sound, though.
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Author: karek
Date: 02-08-05 16:23
Id love to hear some samples of a emt goldfoil plate reverb. Or own one. hehe
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Author: blackelmo
Date: 02-08-05 17:37
<img src="http://www.blackmail.com/pictures/303.jpg" alt="" height="626" width="702" border="0">
A pic (hopefully) of the modification that made my 303 stop working a few years ago. I still have the 303. Its on my list of stuff to do... Anybody know someone who can maybe fix it? Preferrably in NYC. Thanks.
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Author: karek
Date: 02-08-05 17:46
http://www.musictechnology.com/
Bill Thalmann
They are in Virginia, though. Good place.
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Author: JC
Date: 02-08-05 21:53
That picture is so sad looking to me. Kind of like seeing an injured puppy in one of those hind leg chariots. I have a working SH-101 that I would love to do the extra LFO mod to but I would shit my pants if it stopped working
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Author: hard.off
Date: 02-09-05 01:29
blackelmo, ....maybe robin whittle, who does the devlfish mods, could fix your 303 and devilfish it. but he's in melbourne, i think.
google devilfish, and see if you can contact him. it wouldn't be cheap, but would be well worthwhile.
if i still had my 303 i'd get him to devilfish it. ...but i got freaked out it was gonna break, and sold it.
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Author: Chevron
Date: 02-09-05 04:11
Mully mully mully.
Sure MC303 is no emulator of the 303 sound, but at one time I made loadsa tunes on one of them and had lots of fun. You can do lot of cool shit with a MC303.
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Author: ULTRAYANKMURKLER_69
Date: 02-09-05 10:28
who really cares? digital or analogue. If it sounds good i aint gonna go into what kind of circuitry was used to make it fuck that. If its free ill steal it off the net, thank charlie steinberg or radium or whatever. I dont have several grand handy to buy analogue kit, ill use digital varaints and fuck with them sound as best as i can make them.
Most people dont care as long as it sounds good. The majority of electronic music made on analogue kit sounds shit anyways.
Too many nerds spoil the track
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Author: omblongus pie
Date: 02-09-05 11:23
"The majority of electronic music made on analogue kit sounds shit anyways"
YOU are talking out of your arse
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Author: Japes
Date: 02-09-05 15:30
Do you remember when Chevron's name was grey like the rest of ours?
Not many muthas make it outta tha hood, yo!
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Author: karek
Date: 02-09-05 16:34
I realized from this thread that aphex makes great music (aside from being a good artist) because he sweats the details. He knows his shit and does his homework. That was some candid remarks. Shame he's never coming back. What with burying his post in bullshit.
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Author: !wok!u!w
Date: 02-09-05 18:10
hey rich-ed see ---> quickshots 3 thread.
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Author: sweeZ
Date: 02-09-05 19:28
slight tangent and not about 303 as such but hey that never stopped me before.. just been to Interplay event at the Spitz.. was completely blown away by this guy playing there, Thomas Lehn. He was doing a duo with Markus Schmickler.. Schmickler guy was doing laptop stern-digital-noisescape stuff while this Thomas Lehn guy jammed stuff inna free-improv shtyle on an ARP synth of some sort (apparently a modded one)... but fuck me I had no idea anyone could ever be that consistently amazing using a synth with their bare hands!! The energy coming out of that guy's playing was completely committed and intense, the sounds he was making were seething, brutal, very exciting.. he blew everything else happening there clean away... and the sound quality was hair raising! That's what I'm getting at, basically - hearing an analogue synth doing untamed shit like that through a soundsystem, you really pick up on the directness and projection of the sounds being made.... I'm not trying to say that digital music is in any way inferior (musically), just that you can definately sense a 'next level' sound quality thing with something like a high-quality analogue synth vs a digital model / emulation. As beautiful as they are I just can't imagine a nord or virus sounding quite as special as this Lehn guy's ARP did this evening.
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Author: hard.off
Date: 02-10-05 02:28
" Shame he's never coming back. What with burying his post in bullshit."
karek...you're obsessed mate. we bury everything in bullshit here. that's what we do best.
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Author: nadmai
Date: 02-10-05 03:28
I have this amusing mental image of karek being dragged along holding aphex's trouser leg screaming "noo! don't leave me richard! don't leave me with the bastards!"
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Author: ULTRAYANKMURKLER_69
Date: 02-10-05 04:46
"The majority of electronic music made on analogue kit sounds shit anyways"
YOU are talking out of your arse
hmmm what are you refering to then mate acid house or something? We re not all 40yr old has been ravers you know. So stick to you youre 303,404,505,606,707,808,909,1001,1002 or whatever other played out ancient relic ur refering to and a fairlight sampler or analogue tape reel 3 second sampling or something.
Ill stick with dsp, granular synthesis, digital samplers and multi timbral multi oscillator synths
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Author: joke_account
Date: 02-10-05 04:48
"hmmm what are you refering to then mate acid house or something? We re not all 40yr old has been ravers you know. So stick to you youre 303,404,505,606,707,808,909,1001,1002 or whatever other played out ancient relic ur refering to and a fairlight sampler or analogue tape reel 3 second sampling or something.
Ill stick with dsp, granular synthesis, digital samplers and multi timbral multi oscillator synths"
grow up please :)
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Author: joke_account
Date: 02-10-05 06:10
"i dont apologise for being nerdist though."
nice one, now you have officially made nerds a minority. i am going to have to get nerd ramps installed in my bloody office now.
thanks for nothing
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Author: karek
Date: 02-10-05 06:38
speakng of software, anyone use CDP? I think it looks cool, but I can't find anyone who's used it.
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Author: vinyl vandal
Date: 02-10-05 08:46
"hmmm what are you refering to then mate acid house or something? We re not all 40yr old has been ravers you know. So stick to you youre 303,404,505,606,707,808,909,1001,1002 or whatever other played out ancient relic ur refering to and a fairlight sampler or analogue tape reel 3 second sampling or something.
Ill stick with dsp, granular synthesis, digital samplers and multi timbral multi oscillator synths"
i bet youre looking forward to the day when they can synthesize friends
oh and Casio SK-1 rules the roost no doubt. me and my band own 1 and 1/2 of these beauties
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Author: pete ascdi
Date: 02-10-05 08:51
sorry about being ageist, i dont apologise for being nerdist though.
there's no backpedaling now man. your previous was clearly one of the douchiest posts ever. congrats!
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Author: joke_account
Date: 02-10-05 09:02
i bet youre looking forward to the day when they can synthesize friends
that is TOO funny
haha
buzzin
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Author: ULTRAYANKMURKLER_69
Date: 02-11-05 08:20
ascdi its quite obvious youre a dumb yank, haha 'douchiest' wtf does that mean? i suppose im a shmuck as well, or maybe even a 'goon'. Stupid yanks, go listen to NIN
My casio calculator has better sounds than a casio sk-1 son, by being nerdist i think ive offended 100 times more people than being ageist, hence no backpeddling. Now go straddle aphexs virtual cock if he ever comes back again, geeks make me sick.
im away to neck some yingers, rinsin'
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Author: vinyl vandal
Date: 02-11-05 08:33
"by being nerdist i think ive offended 100 times more people than being ageist, hence no backpeddling"
i think its because youre a bit of a twat that has pissed people off
"geeks make me sick. "
hey man youre involved in an argument over whether digital synthesis is better than analogue. next youre gonna be telling us you think Picard is better than Kirk
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Author: proxxxy
Date: 02-11-05 08:43
we have better teeth than you.
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Author: ULTRAYANKMURKLER_69
Date: 02-11-05 08:44
''hey man youre involved in an argument over whether digital synthesis is better than analogue. next youre gonna be telling us you think Picard is better than Kirk
maybe we're just better than you''
now now, randy, brad, cody or whatever ur name is, if you read my posts i never said that at all. All i was saying is people may have been overlooking the obvious benefits digital technology has offered us over the years. Electronic music would never sound like it did without the technology advances.
Now where did i leave those freedom fries douchebag? *snigger*
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Author: vinyl vandal
Date: 02-11-05 09:09
well for a start you said the majority of analogue music sounds shit, you dont think that applies to every genre of music regardless of what you make it with
and you are involved in an argument as to whether digital sounds better than analogue, if youd read any other posts in this list you would have realised that and maybe if you had been on this board longer than 30 seconds you would know that IM FUCKING SCOTTISH, so aye, awa an bile yer heid pal
whats the fuck wrong with people who make music discussing what is a good way to make the kind of music they want to make?
if nerds make you sick then what are you doing on THE INTERNET? and on a fucking message board at that.
"haha 'douchiest' wtf does that mean?"
ive never heard anyone outside america use the word "nerd" either.
"All i was saying is people may have been overlooking the obvious benefits digital technology has offered us over the years. Electronic music would never sound like it did without the technology advances."
that sounds like an opinion on wether analogue is better than digital. and maybe not everyone likes the effects on music digital equipment has had. at the end of the day, you have expressed an opinion on a subject you seem to have decided is something that makes you sick.
" My casio calculator has better sounds than a casio sk-1 son"
that sounds like nerd fighting talk to me, nerd
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Author: karek
Date: 02-11-05 09:23
People still love flim richard! That track was obviously made in the digital domain. Although, an analogue flim might be even better!!!
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Author: chris
Date: 02-11-05 09:34
my favourite part is when he tries to offend the americans, even though its pretty clear he is a 17 year old one, yeah?
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Author: pete ascdi
Date: 02-11-05 10:00
yeah, i agree, this thread is cool. so far AK's arguments have been these:
- analog music is stupid
- there would be no "electronic music" without computers
- liking aphex twin makes me a loser
- a casio calculator is better than an sk1
- americans are idiots
i'll spot you that last one, but the rest? pretty laughable, even by mu-board troll standards. at least have some creativity.
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Author: UpiolOne
Date: 02-11-05 19:53
so actually how should i try to make a 303 sound with my tx16w?
it already contains a square and a saw
i know the filters are crap- is there another way?
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Author: !wok!u!w
Date: 02-11-05 23:44
" My casio calculator has better sounds than a casio sk-1 son"
what if i use my sk-1 to sample your casio calculator?
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Author: <font color='9966CC'>Jess</font>
Date: 02-12-05 09:13
"my favourite part is when he tries to offend the americans, even though its pretty clear he is a 17 year old one, yeah?"
chris that exactly what I was thinking but w/ better visuals!
rawr!
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Author: Dom
Date: 02-12-05 10:05
Analogue devices are great at making lovely, full, yummy, warbly, lush sounds etc.
Digital devices are great for making multi-layered, odd, complex sounds and wicked for sequencing and automating etc.
Playing real instruments is great because they can be played with so much expression and make an actual physical sound without any speakers etc.
Surely the best band in the world would combine all of these things.
Stop bitching at each other and instead collaborate with the people that make different sounds from you, whether through technology or taste.
Right, let's all get naked and dance.
x
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Author: ULTRAYANKMURKLER_69
Date: 02-12-05 11:05
"well for a start you said the majority of analogue music sounds shit, you dont think that applies to every genre of music regardless of what ..."
now that your scottish its proven why youre so fucking dumb, in between holding onto a fifty pence so tight that you need a spanner to get it out of your hands, munching square sausages and drinking tennants lager you could at least quote me correctly.
I said the majority of ELECTRONIC music made on analogue kit sounds shit. By that i meant exactly as I said in that sentance. The vast majority of electronic music made on analgoue kit is shit, think acid techno and acid house using beat out shitty 303 and 909 sounds.
Music like that sucks balls, maybe in scotland people still make acid house and techno on 303s and think it sounds great, but the rest of the word doesnt and the rest of the world has got over that sound. Whilst there has been some great music made on sh101s, junos 303s, 909s etc and they can just about still be used creatively by a small percentage of producers, the vast majority of electronic music is still bullshit.
If you dont believe me you are probably still stuck in a 1992 timewarp dancing to the same acid techno loop in a forest somewhere. (Which knowing scotland you probably are)
"if nerds make you sick then what are you doing on THE INTERNET? and on a fucking message board at that.....ive never heard anyone outside america use the word "nerd" either"
he says after using the word nerd himself, maybe in scotland you havent heard that word because again the majority of the world cant understand scottish people anyway. Save your tears for when your beating off over braveheart you haggismuncher. :D
" My casio calculator has better sounds than a casio sk-1 son"
so in 1972 or whatever this might have been a great synth, its 2005 get over it. Swap that piece of shit for a 10 pound wrap of scag or soapbar that your fellow kiltwearers are so fond of.
ayatollah khomeni has spoken.
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Author: ULTRAYANKMURKLER_69
Date: 02-12-05 11:24
- analog music is stupid
- there would be no "electronic music" without computers
- liking aphex twin makes me a loser
- a casio calculator is better than an sk1
- americans are idiots
jeez doucheball, like i didnt like say that like.
Like oh my god douchebag, dont be so douchy i said 'the majority' of electronic music made on analogue kit is shit. This could apply for the majority of electronic music 'period'. Maybe in america y'all still have raves were everyone loves all kinds of electronic music and you all love each other up in xtc fuelled raves, but here in the uk most electronic music always has been and still is disposable bullshit.
i did not say there would be no electronic music without computers doucheface, i said electronic music has progressed greatly with the evolution of digital technologies. Just like your government you love twisting words and making up accusations.
A casio calculater is better than most things, it is more usefull hence better than an sk1.
I didnt say liking aphex twin made you a loser douchefeatures, i said a lot of people on here were quick to pounce on his nuts when he posted. I am a great fan of his music, but not an internet fanboy beating off to everything he posts.
And finally douchemaster yeah americans are idiots, especially the ones who come over to the uk and think theyre irish and ask you if you know the o'neills. Other than that by living there you are either fat, drive a 17.4 'liter' car, pollute the entire world and are generally extremely stupid. Also in electronic music none of you can be taken seriously because really nothing good has come from america, has it now? Now go listen to trent reznor like the rest of your buddies and continue polluting the earth and killing innocent people because that seems to be your folks main skill.
PS learn to spell the words we invented while your at it and develop some culture which you so desperately lack.
other than that peace and may allah be mercifull :)
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Author: vinyl vandal
Date: 02-12-05 11:35
could i take this moment to lodge an official complaint to the moderators about this guy? hes quite clearly breaking etiquette here
www.aklass.org/god/god79.html
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Author: épingle à cheveux
Date: 02-12-05 13:30
i like the way he uses the word "douche" as though a) it's offensive to people and b) like it doesn't make him look like a prick
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Author: :p
Date: 02-12-05 14:44
wow, you would not believe the amount of self control required for me to leave this thread alone until it unravelled
Reveal and people who perform live on laptops would have you believe that professional orchestras would sound just as good if the musicians played plastic, student model instruments
thank you Dr. Analord for your commentary.. ''some people bought the analogue equipment when it was unfashionable and very cheap though. some of us are over 30 you know!''VST plugins are restricted by a finite number of calculations per second'' and my favorite ''the physicallity of the instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually do with it!''
there is a reason why the pro's use pro equipment and it has nothing to do with elitist 'we can afford it and you cant' crap
put two drumboxes side by side, set both to 147bpm and hit play at the same time. over (not much) time they will go out of phase
imperfection gives character to music.. and it hold true for electronics just as much as for handmade orchestral instruments
:p
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Author: joke_account
Date: 02-12-05 15:48
"Like oh my god douchebag, dont be so douchy"
Jess, I would like to apologise for not coming to Wakey. I got back home with the best intentions of jumping on a bus but I fell asleep because my housemate had the heating on too high :(
Sorry for being like so douchy.
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-12-05 20:56
Reveal and people who perform live on laptops would have you believe that professional orchestras would sound just as good if the musicians played plastic, student model instruments
You, sir, are an imbecile. I implied nothing of the sort -- there's a BIG difference between wood/brass and plastic, and a notably smaller difference between ANALOG electronics and DIGITAL electronics. Now, if you were to start lauding the "obvious" acoustic benefits of, say, using 2000-year-old Japanese fir trees over Alaskan Sitka spruce for the body of a violin, or using endangered Bengal tigers for the strings' catgut -- yeah, I'd say you were splitting hairs there.
The difference is analogous to the transmission of an automobile compared to the actual engine -- different driving techniques for essentially the same purpose.
I would not presume to replace orchestras with computers. FAR FROM IT. I can't fathom Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" ever sounding even halfway-decent in any automated form. I wouldn't suggest you automate folk music, either, or African djembe, or anything else which has cultural significance beyond the sheer recording of the music. To imply otherwise, sir, is to make an insultingly large leap in logic.
Additionally, your argument implies that laptops CANNOT HAVE CHARACTER. This is possibly the stupidest argument conceivable on this particular forum, especially when you also claim that other forms of equipment can! I use a Toshiba 2250CDT, a 600 MHz Celeron that BARELY does the jobs I ask it to. Getting around the limitations of THAT system is just as challenging as getting around the limitations of old analog equipment, and often yields benefits impossible to perform with standard MIDI setups -- just as MIDI freed composers up from needing to "wake the fucking band up in the morning," to paraphrase Aphex.
This is not a conflict of composition techniques; it is a natural evolution of them. With new equipment comes a new set of parameters, new limitations, and new challenges. That having been said, I'm not going to tell a concert clarinetist that he could do better with ProTools; that's the interface he chooses. No better either way -- just different ways of working.
What then it the point of my posting on here? I am irked at this emergence of an electronic truism -- i.e. a 303 isn't a 303 unless it's a 303, and everything else is inferior. No, silly, it's merely lateral; a new way of interpreting the old way.
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Author: :p
Date: 02-13-05 04:51
nice 'save' pal.
computerized versions of gear are inferior approximations.
im really pissed that the definition of electronics has been watered down to include software. to me its like calling a mcdonalds sandwich a 'hamburger'... just because it is called a hamburger does not make it the same item as the massive beef, tomato, lettuce, onion and cheese on a kaiser bun hamburger that i make on my barbeque
some programmer has connected a real 303 to a ocillascope and converted the waveform to code. do you think the program geek actually copied EVERY sound the 303 makes? no fkn way
I had a great time listening to EXILE tweak USB knobs to make acidnoize off his laptop at bangface friday night... dancedmyassoff as a matter of fact.. but they have a shit sound system in a tiny space. sit in a studio or go to a big show and you will hear the difference
ask a programmer sometime.. random static is one of the most complicated things to re-create on a computer
also, my comment was that you think 'professional orchestras would sound just as good if the musicians played plastic, student model instruments' not computerized, just inferior.. student model clarinets and violins are made out of inferior materials (plastic etc) to make CHEAP imitations that kids can use while LEARNING to play.
once the kid grows up and becomes first clarinete in an orchestra, she is hardly going to be using the same instrument
softsynths, virtual/pretend synths are good for practicing. once your confident, do yourself a favour and go get the real thing baby uh huh..
moreover, live laptop performance, even though it might sound decent just does not have the same appeal as a desk full of gear
:p
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Author: Dom
Date: 02-13-05 09:36
For Jebus' sake...they're different from each other and both have their advantages.
This whole argument is just a bunch of close-mided purests on both sides of the fence unwilling to listen to the others...just arguing for the sake of it.
So sad, I thought the Mu board was better than that.
If you like the lush warmth and character of analogue, get some analogue gear, if you like granular synthesis/sampling and 'cutting edge' processed sounds get reaktor or max etc.
Just stop acting as though it's one or the other.
Digital technology cannot entirely copy the reality of a piece of analogue equipment...the numbers are infinisimal but you can still make great sounds on computers which you can't on analogue equipment.
Having a room full of analogue hardward would be beautiful and inspiring but so is sitting on the side of a mountain with a laptop.
Stop bitching and make some tunes.
x
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Author: datach'i
Date: 02-13-05 10:04
don't know if this has already been mentioned..but heres some sad articles on the state of analog tape...
http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2005/0207/tec-tapes-02-07-05.asp
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6881713/neilyoung?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion;=mainRegion
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Author: pete ascdi
Date: 02-13-05 12:52
1. reveal = teh chisa? this explains a lot...
2. also, i just realized AK spent 19 minutes of his life being mean to me. that's a real weird feeling. as this thread has gotten too creepy, i'll probably stop reading it. does mu board have a "lock thread" function?
http://www.virb.com/peterbing
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Author: joke_account
Date: 02-13-05 13:05
so have you guys started a petition for a new sub-catagorisation system in HMV...
Dance > Electronica > Analogue
Dance > Electronica > Digital
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-13-05 14:23
I propose a Dance > Electronica > Analretentica category.
You analog purists are amazing. You know, it was not so long ago that you SAME PEOPLE were defending your analog gear against the guitar-heads who raged about how electronic instruments weren't "real" instruments. Now YOU'RE the assholes dumping on the laptop kids. What goes around comes around, I guess.
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Author: pinkj
Date: 02-13-05 14:32
you love everyone? you must love the analogue purists too then. good thing, it would suck to be hated by 'the chisa.'
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Author: karek
Date: 02-13-05 14:37
If this logic is right, can you imagine how dull and lifeless the NEXT form of music technology will be?
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Author: pinkj
Date: 02-13-05 14:40
i'm predicting the next music technology will involve penises and vaginas somehow.
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-13-05 14:47
If this logic is right, can you imagine how dull and lifeless the NEXT form of music technology will be?
I hope it involves breeding plants.
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Author: :p
Date: 02-13-05 14:50
damn.. i was going to leave it at that, but you know, I WAS/AM one of those guitar heads you were talking about and the argument had nothing to do with replacement because it cant be done.
nobody except maybe 'reveal' would actually say that the guitar or flute setting on your casio keyboard sounds like a gutar or flute.
cause thats basically the argument for a VST 303
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Author: barry
Date: 02-13-05 14:54
did nobody think the ayatollah was even a bit funny? i'm sure that was the intention like... :D
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-13-05 15:05
nobody except maybe 'reveal' would actually say that the guitar or flute
setting on your casio keyboard sounds like a gutar or flute.
Am I speaking to an autoresponder here? Because you sure are hearing something entirely different from what I am actually saying.
I officially give up. Have fun with your closed-circuit world of transistors, overheating and rooms full of bulky boxes -- it's great for you, so cheers. I'll be over here minding my own business with my inferior "laptop".
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I love everyone.
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Author: :p
Date: 02-13-05 16:18
hey remember this Reveal ?''Not a single one of you can tell the difference between "emulated" and "real" electronic music. You know why? BECAUSE WHETHER IT COMES FROM A 303 OR REBIRTH IT'S STILL FUCKING FUCKING ELECTRONIC, YOU STUPID JACKOFFS''
have fun 'jacking off' all over your 600mhz web-porn
:p
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Author: :p
Date: 02-13-05 17:59
yes mum.
btw.. a friend from home has bn trying to icq you about summer parties
inhaler
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Author: Reveal
Date: 02-13-05 20:16
have fun 'jacking off' all over your 600mhz web-porn
thas funny ur funny.
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I love everyone.
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Author: <font color='9966CC'>Jess</font>
Date: 02-14-05 02:16
:p - your friend needs to state who he is then & not just put add to contact list cos I just delete those. or email me jess at planet-mu dot com
two words I like immensely summer & parties :)
rawr!
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Author: elusive
Date: 02-21-05 08:27
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Author: enabler
Date: 02-22-05 03:55
You are all boring.
Ever hear old women talking about the price of beans at the bus stop.
Oh Heinz are better.No well the co-op ones are just as good.
Oh noooo...it's got to be heinz etc.....
Thats what you all sound like.
Stop wasting time and make some music you boring bunch of idiots.
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Author: dan p
Date: 04-26-05 02:53
I've only skimmed this thread but just to throw in my tuppence worth.
Somebody said there would be no electronic music without computers. Wrong. Although the birth of electronic music happened around the same time as the birth of electronic computing (I'm not including mechanical devises like Babbage's difference engine here) and they have evolved hand in hand electronic music is not dependant on computing. True, it would sound very, very different without it but it would still exist. And it would probably be far more marginalised. I recommended reading up on some Curtis Roads.
To paraphrase, Mully said, "303s are crap, but I still use emulators of them." Why?
Analord wrote a huge long post about the vagaries of analogue electronics and also touched on the difficulty of emulating one in software. He also mentioned that he had never heard a perfect emulation. I'd add that the maths is all there and it is possible to emulate perfectly (or imperfectly seeing as every analogue device is different? Analogue component tolerances are generally pretty poor) but current computing power is a long way off of doing this in real time. Give it a few more years and you might get there. You might be seeing emulators with all sorts of bizarre extra controllers like on time and ambient temperature and relative humidity and so on. I would say that the perfect 303 emulation/physical model is probably a lot closer that the perfect stratovarius, as you don’t need to deal with modelling of components like woods that are even more difficult to deal with.
Pietrobot, do you have any idea if/when Jack will be back in the UK?
dan p
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Author: Tanzender Affe
Date: 04-26-05 06:46
I don't think it matters. Sound is sound, music is music, and unless your some hardware-humping geek, you're unlikely to be sitting there listening to a record and going "I wonder if thats a real Blah Blah or a Blah Blah emulator".
It all sounds the same: shit. Cause I hate everything.
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Author: :p
Date: 04-26-05 06:55
aaaaaaaaaahhhh.... its back!!!
the thread that will not die...
think ive said enough on this topic
now ill go back to humping my hardware
mmmm.. pretty lights..
ogles 'ems 100'
didnt zappa have something like this?
http://groups.myspace.com/bentcircuits
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Author: pietrobot
Date: 04-26-05 10:58
jack dangers has that monstor synth, 1 of
only 26 working models in the world.... and
i'm sure fans have recognized its use in mbm
and solo works..
dan p, i haven't heard about a european tour,
but i can brag about the upcoming june 2005
north american tour: meatbeattour.com.
sorry,
p.
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Digital::Nimbus (Radio) ::
Pietrobot.com (Portal) ::
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Author: :p
Date: 04-27-05 14:23
uh.. wasnt expecting the beast on tour..
just love signal routing patchboards n'stuff.. got to play with some old bits like that in Uni with the 1/4inch jacks etc.. the bastages sold it off for scrap in the mid 90's to make way for computers
(maybe the cause for my deep hatred of VSTs.. hmmm)
nice DVD.. multi viewing angle madness
and bass clarinet on the new disk? my girl will be happy
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Author: unclebuck
Date: 06-06-05 13:07
Dear Mr. Analord.
What are those KTPA tracks (1&2) all about? I've been trying to figure out why they were released...and what you do with them, what they are etc. Care to shed any light on the subject? Thanks for everything.
Ubuck
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Author: noise
Date: 06-06-05 15:21
Come back little raven and bite my face
I've been waiting, endless waiting
Come back and bite my face
Come back little raven, decend your home
This is not then, it is not now
Come back, decend your throne
I think you realize what I've done
Well, on a corner slept my horrible corpse
I'm not alive for anyone
I think you realize what I've done
You gotta come back
You gotta come back
You gotta come back
You gotta come back
Come back little raven, here bite my face
I've been waiting, endless waiting
Come back and bite my face
I think you realize what I've done
We're on the corner, slashed my heart for fun
I'm not alive for anyone
I think you realize what I've done
You gotta come back
You gotta come back
You gotta come back
You gotta come back
You gotta come back, come back, well, come back
Right back to me
You gotta come back, come back, come on back
Right back to me
You gotta come back, come back, come on back
Right back to me
You gotta come back, come back, come on back
Right back to me, yeah
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Author: unclebuck
Date: 06-06-05 16:11
wow, i'd really like to see that, jess or mike. please get you know who to return, i wanna see somebody eat their own face.
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Author: Noid Ximer
Date: 06-06-05 16:35
hey there, i didnt have time to read this whole thread but is Analord - Richard D James?
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Author: meatsock
Date: 06-06-05 19:27
Analord wrote a huge long post about the vagaries of analogue electronics and also touched on the difficulty of emulating one in software.
where is this post?
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Author: curtis_chip
Date: 06-06-05 23:49
hey nice thread.. i don't post up here very often but i thought i'd chime in..
I've reciently had the pleasure of borrowing a futureretro777 from a friend. I am completely sold on this machine. Wonderful analog warmth and ferocious bass with a touch of unpredictability. As far as tb-303 emulation goes, this machine is great, but does so much more. The sequencer is actually fun and easy to use as opposed to the arduous tb-303 step sequencer. Plus you get 2 oscillators and all sorts of fun modulation capabilities..
I know its not a software emulator bot i thought it deserved mention..
Actually i did a special one time only live PA with it and a few other (less valuable) vintage bits...
http://www.zodrecords.com/curtischip_livePA.mp3
i had fun.
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Author: Keef Baker
Date: 06-07-05 03:27
303s are bollocks anyway. Why bother?
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Author: perrence corriander
Date: 02-12-07 03:24
who re-hashed this thread ????? get an acidlab for £260 its quicker than waiting for x0xb0x.
PeZ:-)
laff it up fuzz ball
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Author: mikey gaga
Date: 02-12-07 03:28
Is this that thread where RDJ popped up and argued with some guy about Analog vs Digital? I cant be arsed reading it all!
Z=Get
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Author: cheven
Date: 02-12-07 09:32
right! that's it! this thread has given me an overwhelming urge to go out to crack converters to look for synths! I should be working too!
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Author: the Puss
Date: 08-06-07 18:05
I can make something in the digital realm and muck around with it (all digital) to get a sound which you won't be able to seperate from a true analogue sound. There will obviously be minute differences (as do all analogue recordings anyway) but us humans can't tell. I garentee.
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Author: blackmarket
Date: 08-06-07 20:49
not to brag but i think i made a decent facsimile of a 303 in Acid recently, just using little chunks of raw square wave all pasted in a row, and automation envelopes on each chunk controlling the filter, and maybe some antares tube to give it some of that classic "analog warmth" which every knob likes to rattle on about, but which truly does exist.
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Author: crosfire
Date: 08-07-07 04:20
Quote:
How did Propellerheads make the tb-303 emulation? Did they follow the schematics of the original to guide the coding or what?
And lastly, can we really tell the difference between when RDJ and Vibert use their silver boxes versus a Reason/ReBirth?
First you must pin an oscilloscope to the vco (or just record it) on different frequencies (for example 3 times per octave), because analog square, and saw waves aren't really square/saw, but deformed equivalents. Then you must inspect the vcf. Take some ideal (or near ideal)waves, and let them through the filter, pin the oscilloscope to the input, and output of the vcf so you can take full characteristic of the filter (I guess there are some some instruments that can automate this process), do it for different cutoff/resonance. The only thing you must check is the sweep (the voltage that controls the vcf), you need the value in time function, so just record it. How the sequencer works-everybody knows.
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Author:
Date: 08-07-07 05:03
mouse on mars. the greatest thing to have ever blest this wee old planet!
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Author: acid tek
Date: 08-07-07 07:33
Pez-
You got your x0xb0x fired up? I'm tellin' yeah it's the new acid black!
~'Dem bones is gunna rise aginz~
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Author: meatsock
Date: 08-07-07 09:03
Author: blackmarket
Date: 08-06-07 20:49
not to brag but i think i made a decent facsimile of a 303 in Acid recently, just using little chunks of raw square wave all pasted in a row, and automation envelopes on each chunk controlling the filter, and maybe some antares tube to give it some of that classic "analog warmth" which every knob likes to rattle on about, but which truly does exist.
that's how you do it! FUCK AROUND, don't ape shit. acid is the practice of messing with shit, turning knobs incorrectly, not some circuit designer at roland who was high for a year and turned out that plastic box.
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Author: Japes
Date: 08-07-07 09:42
acid is the practice of messing with shit, turning knobs incorrectly
Exactly. Voltek put it well when he said acid was effectively electronic punk. Cheap gear (originally) used to make energetic, anti-cerebral, anti-trendy music.
-Alan Titmash-
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Author: chris
Date: 08-07-07 10:12
I have a stupid question, how could you tell the difference between an analog and digital snyth besides knowing the name? absence of a microchip?
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Author: perrence corriander
Date: 08-07-07 13:47
I cant tell the difference between real and vst, but to be honest i'm having more twiddling me knobs on x0xb0x than on a vst.
Will get a tune up soon, just trying to find the time to use it.
As for hardware all i can say is that it's pretty spot especially when it go's through me rat distortion pedal, come on how much more analoge can ya get.
Got some one else to build it for me so the total price was £375 but hey you'd pay £600-£800 for the real deal and it wont have as many bells and whistles as what the x0x has.
laff it up fuzzball
Pez:-)
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Author:
Date: 08-07-07 16:53
analogue just sounds warmer and just sounds as if its got more soul to it. its picking up so much more as it works its way through the circuits and making its way round its wee little paths.
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Author: meatsock
Date: 08-08-07 01:39
anyone see the new analogue solutions 303 emulation?
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/tb303.htm
http://tinyurl.com/2g6vsj
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Author: crosfire
Date: 08-08-07 13:17
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not some circuit designer at roland who was high for a year and turned out that plastic box.
I doubt it, tr-303 was designed to be a electronic bass guitar accompaniment machine, something totally unexciting. So the specialness of 303 is more like a matter of coincidence than genius, or drug use.
Acid is about being paranoid insect, and buzzing around making other people paranoid! ...or am I wrong?
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Author: meatsock
Date: 08-08-07 13:37
oh you just don't 'get' it, crosfire.
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Author: Betanaut
Date: 08-08-07 13:46
Well, crosfire is right about the original purpose of the machine. Before that, slap bass had been the norm.
But then, you could run the whole of music through that same dissection.
Moog himself actually said that his synthesizer was created originally for use with sound effects on films etc...
The original electric guitar was actually an electric banjo.
Electric guitar distortion was originally an unwanted bi-product.
The list is endless and mostly pointless.
Not sure about the whole paranoid insect hoo-hah though.
I would have said that was more about taking speed.
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Author: crosfire
Date: 08-08-07 13:56
When you say speed, do you mean amphetamine, or meta amphetamine? I heard that in most countries speed is name for meta amphetamine, and only in Poland you call amphetamine speed.
I always sniffed less (not an improved version of more this time ;p) then others, so can't really say if you are right.
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Author: Betanaut
Date: 08-08-07 14:00
Using generic term. I haven't done anything like that shit for 8 years after it all put me in a 2 year depression. Now stop being pedantic and let this 260+ thread die so it stops clogging everything up.
Peace and harmony. :o)
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Author: meatsock
Date: 08-08-07 14:07
meta-amphetimine is a dangerous chemical that makes speed faster.
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Author: cunt
Date: 08-16-07 18:49
pills r pills round here
my reason for bumping this:
does anyone have the link to that 3 (?) 1 hr part docu on acid /house origins that got
posted on matrix synth about 3/4 wks ago? cant find the fucker
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Author: cunt
Date: 08-16-07 18:58
heh,fuck it
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/07/birth-of-acid-house.html
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Author: perrence corriander
Date: 08-17-07 01:44
Go to google video and type in PUMP UP THE VOLUME it was a documentry made for channel 4 in england about the history of house music.
laff it up fuzzball
Pez:-)
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Author: adm
Date: 08-17-07 02:01
Someone (Andre Michelle) has recently made a 303 emulator in Flash. I'm sure you'll all think it sounds shit compared to the real thing or even Audiorealism, but if you've ever worked with Flash/Actionscript and are a nerd like me, you'll recognize that its a pretty amazing accomplishment.
He's also made a Flash-based TR-909 emulator for which the source code is avaliable.
Links:
Flash 303
Flash 909 and source code
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Author: crosfire
Date: 09-19-07 13:21
Hey, this thread is on Analord Wiki
At the end of Miscellanea section. And the " you know who" is " you know who" according to this!
:D
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Author: cheven
Date: 09-19-07 16:06
See above and judge if it's him, i think it is, but don't rely on mr.wiki for the authenticity certificate.
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Author: cheven
Date: 09-19-07 20:07
Thank you mikey. Anyone with a funnier name, send it on a post card to:
Michael Barrymore's Laugh-a-Lord
PO Box 303
London W1
AFX
well ok, but that is unbelievably inept.
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Author: S810K
Date: 09-21-07 05:00
thats a pretty weak 303 emu for an analord...dunno, who is the tuss again? and no, im not judging based off of audiorealism, which is total shit as well. Only decent emu is phoscyon. fuck em though. michael bury more is almost an anagram for hangable anal bulb...BTW, that wiki entry is definite bullshit...I've been wanting to buy my boyfriend a magic 303 for sometime as well...he likes the internet, and knows how to use it.
Fucking passwords, making my life harder everyday.
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Author: S810K
Date: 09-21-07 05:03
BT vs Tori Amos remixing the "Outside Kickass Violin Solo" by rdj and robert miles rules///
Fucking passwords, making my life harder everyday.
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Author: crosfire
Date: 09-21-07 06:58
"Outside Kickass Violin Solo" isn't rdj! Some time in past I got full album with this, and it wasn't labeled afx, or aphex twin, or any other known alias.
This is a tb-303 emulation thread, so the information that reborn (rebirth for linux) has returned is probably important:
http://en.440forums.com/forums/?s=62164e87ad948f39e4a004ff22cc7e48&showtopic;=34949
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