10,000 Heroes - SRI and the Manufacturing of the New Age: Part One

March 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pm (SRI, Uncategorized)

distant2.jpgIn 1968 the U.S. Office of Education commissioned Stanford Research Institute (later called SRI) to have a look into the future and report what they’d found there. SRI took it one step further and spelled out what “changes in the conceptual premises underlying Western society would lead to a desirable future.” (Changing Images of Man, xvii)

The results were made into a book called “Changing Images of Man”, edited by O.W. Markley and Willis W. Harman. You can download a copy of the 1982 reprint here, courtesy of Skilluminati Research. This book is a conspiracy theorist’s wet dream. It is nothing less than a blueprint for a vast social engineering project undertaken by the very highest levels of the military/industrial complex. The project, as we’ll see, was already well underway by the time this study was commissioned, but in the late sixties and early seventies, thanks in part to this project, SRI was at the hub of just about every major development in the evolving “New Age” community.

Conspiracy theorists within the Christian right see this book, now almost mythical in status, as evidence of a very longrunning project, indeed, comprised of a Satanic plot to rule the world. But we, especially those on the political left who would completely ignore such theories, will need learn to step out of our own ivory towers from which we scorn those “ignorant fundies” and re-examine how the elites in our society operate. For example, this document most certainly does represent an attempt to undermine Christianity. If nothing else, it is clear, that Christianity is not “useful” for the creation of the “desirable future” mentioned in the book’s introduction. That’s not to say that Christianity has not been manipulated in our society; it most certainly has and one need look no further than Pat Robertson’s call for the assassination of Hugo Chavez to see that cynical manipulation in action. But ultimately, Christianity must go or be transformed into something quite different. As we’ll see, that transformation is also well underway.

But if you think we’ll need to resort to questionable interpretations of ancient Biblical prophecies to make the case that the SRI study represents an ongoing project to manipulate the very core values of our society, think again. One advantage we have in the effort to oppose this program…and it is imperative that we make such an effort…is the sheer arrogance of those undertaking it. You see, they didn’t bother to hide their tracks. Who they are and what they represent are right out there in the open for all to see, sometimes in ways that I can only interpret as a mocking, inside joke. In fact, the program of the “Image Changers” is so apparent, that it is rather stunning to me that so few on the left have written about this before.

Ultimately, this is not about some tiny secret cabal pulling the strings. It’s about how our national security state operates and how our corporate and military rulers find some variation of fascism to be far more convenient for their purposes. This democracy thing isn’t really working for them, and the ability of our capitalist system to keep a majority of the citizens of the industrialized countries lodged within the ranks of the “middle class” is coming to an end. So, how better to transition to some neo-feudalist post-capitalism than to ask the middle class themselves to embrace the coming downsizing as the beginning of a new, golden age. Oh sure, the transition is likely to be a bit…bumpy…say the Image Changers. But they have a plan for THAT, too.

SRI was an founded as a research institution within Stanford University in 1946, though the idea had been in the planning stages for nearly two decades. You can view SRI’s freshly scrubbed and sanitized timeline here. Because no good conspiracy theory would be complete without it, we must note that the original plans were made at a meeting held at Bohemian Grove, a wooded retreat with a very dubious history.

Soon after it’s establishment the institute was losing money. As everyone knows, the real money in higher academe is in government and particularly military research. A new director was brought in, Jesse E. Hobson, who aggressively pursued such contracts. By 1965, the vast majority of it’s projects were with the military.

To turn things around, SRI brought in an aggressive new director whose strategy was to go after the lucrative military R&D contracts. Under the new management, SRI researchers took on electronic miniaturization contracts for the Navy, electronic navigation and antenna systems design for the Air Force, communications research for the Army, and nuclear weapons testing and evaluation for the AEC. In just a few years SRI quintupled its contract revenues from $2 to $10 million and turned a $60,000-a-year loss into a $325,000 surplus. By 1955 SRI was earning half its income from defense contracts, many of them classified, and setting a pattern for the decade ahead. By 1965 government contracts accounted for 82 percent of SRI’s revenues, with military contracts accounting for 78 percent of the government share. 61 Those contracts included some controversial studies of land reform in Vietnam, counterinsurgency surveillance in Thailand, and chemical weapons. By 1968 SRI’s research program rivaled the university’s, in numbers if not in reputation, with 1,500 professional staff members (compared with 1,000 university faculty members) and annual contract revenues of $64 million (compared with $76 million for the university). 62 SRI’s military effort dwarfed the university’s. In 1969 SRI held $28.7 million in military contracts, ranking it third among “think tanks” and nonprofit research corporations, just behind MITRE and just ahead of Rand. Stanford, by contrast, held $16.4 million in military contracts that year, fourth on the university list. (from The Cold War and American Science. )

Students at Stanford did what college students are supposed to do when word of the institute’s extensive military and intelligence contracts began to leak out in the sixties: they kicked SRI’s ass out of Stanford. In many ways, it was only a symbolic victory as SRI was simply “sold to itself” and renamed SRI, but it does suggest that these Image Changers are not all powerful.

Take a moment to look at the various unclassified innovations described on SRI’s website. It’s an impressive list. It’s also incomplete since most of the research was classified. Still, it’s obvious that SRI was a hub of technological innovation. In fact, the very internet which allows you to read this expose on SRI was created via technology developed at SRI. I like that.

For our purposes, I’m going to confine this post to examine the projects and relationships at SRI in the late sixties and early seventies which are directly relevant to the Image Changing project. In later posts, we’ll see exactly what the new “conceptual premises” were they hoped to instill in Western society, why the said these premises needed changing and in what ways it was suggested the government go about changing them.

Here then, are some of the people and programs to emerge from the SRI circle we will be examining in some detail. Many, many thanks to reader WondererintheWilderness who continues to flood my inbox with all kinds of relevant links and articles. I am too lazy to credit each piece of information I obtained directly from her, but it is much appreciated.

Remote Viewing

The official history of SRI’s remote viewing program suggests that the initial research got underway in 1972 due to a proposal by Hal Puthoff. Allegedly, the remote viewing program was an attempt to train “psychic spies” who could view locations at any distance via psychic abilities. Puthoff suggests that this idea came about due to a meeting with psychic Ingo Swann who had read some proposal of Puthoff’s about quantum processes in biology. This, like so much involving SRI, is a complete fabrication. In fact, Puthoff and Swann were both high level members of the Church of Scientology and the remote viewing techniques were based on Scientology procedures.

Puthoff will be of particular interest since immediately prior to coming to Stanford, Puthoff says he was a Naval intelligence officer and then a “civilian” employee of the National Security Agency. The initial research for remote viewing at SRI was sponsored by the CIA via MKULTRA.

RV programs were then taken on by the military and CIA directly. Many of the major players would end up founding private remote viewing companies as well as becoming New Age gurus themselves. When we come to examine these men in more detail we’ll find that they share two things in common, involvement in intelligence work and a tendency to lie like dogs about their own background. Another feature to notice is that remote viewers really suck. It’s not just that they aren’t accurate, but that they continue to promote outlandish ideas clearly designed for “Image Changing” purposes. Often, we’ll see, this centers on the role of the planet Mars, though be warned, Ingo Swann was able to view naked aliens on the moon!

It’s also interesting to note that the very man who edited Changing Images, O. W. Markley, now says that they employed techniques for visualizing the future which sound suspiciously like remote viewing. That’s kind funny because the remote viewing program did not start, says Puthoff, till 1972, but according to this link provided by the fine folks at Skilluminati, they were using these techniques in 1968.

In fact, the entire RV enterprise, whether or not it ever generated any results, was mostly a cover for more troubling mind control related research as well as the springboard for launching a bunch of military spooks into New Age prominence.

The Face on Mars

The primary man behind the whole “Face on Mars” craze is named Richard Hoagland, who claims he was working in 1983 at SRI on a project involving the “rings of Saturn” (likely a lie, but a significant one) when he learned about the anomalous features on Mars. Hoagland and a collection of others, either directly employed by or in the orbit of SRI, not only wanted to spread the word about these interesting geological features, but to convince the world that they were linked to Egypt. Egypt. Mars. Hang onto those thoughts, though if you’ve read my series on Whitley Strieber, you’ll notice the significance. Strieber became involved with these folks in the mid-eighties around the time the abduction experiences in Communion began. There was no reference to Mars in Communion but by 1995 in Secret School, Mars was central to his story.

Uri Geller

Famed spoonbending psychic Uri Geller was brought to SRI by Andrija Puharich in 1973. The tests, led by astronaut and New Age guru Edgar Mitchell, showed Geller to have amazing powers with clairvoyance, telepathy, and telekinesis. Hmm. You can watch these tests in a film available in several parts at Youtube. Here’s part one. And here’s a video of Geller cheating to make a spoon bend. So if Geller cheats and scientists were saying he’s legit….You don’t think…I mean they wouldn’t have…

Assuming as I do that Geller is simply a good stage magician and mentalist who was involved in an elaborate hoax (perhaps unwittingly) then we are left with a very disturbing implication: a premier scientific research institution deliberately faked significant scientific tests in order to promote Geller and the whole theme of psychic ability. Why would they do this? You’ll have to read the book or wait for future posts to get more informaion.

Andrija Puharich and The Nine

Puharich did not work for SRI though he was central to the Geller testing. But thanks to that testing, Puharich, who had a background in intelligence as well as in hypnotism and other mind control techniques, was not only able to promote Geller, but in doing so, promote the idea of “the Nine”, allegedly a discarnate group of intelligences who secretly rule the solar system and who turned out to be the collection of Egyptian gods called the “Ennead.” Nine. Lots of nines in this story. Naturally, the Nine discussed the Egypt/Mars connection. These entities were channeled not only by Geller but a variety of other folks, all of whom, of course, had to first be hypnotized by Puharich.

Puharich also received MKULTRA money to go to find really potent hallucinogens in places like Mexico.

And most disturbingly to me, anyway, after promoting Geller so heavily, Puharich was able to convince a bunch of parents to send their kids to his house in Ossining, NY to be trained in how to use their psychic abilities. Evidently this training involved lots of unsupervised hypnosis sessions by Puharich and the eventual discovery that each of these kids was actually an alien being come to earth for some purpose.

Mama’s don’t let your babies get hypnotized by spy guys…

Scientology

This relationship was already made clear in the Remote Viewing section. However, it should be pointed out that Scientology, though not mentioned by name, seems awfully close to fitting the bill for the new religion suggested by SRI. And since we know they were “remote viewing” the future in order to determine this, that should be no surprise. Meanwhile, the lesser known occult background of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard consists of beliefs that are very much in line with the Freemasonic and Gurdjieffian belief systems considered desirable by SRI.

Scientology itself does not seem to promote any sort of Mars/Egypt connection nor really any of the specifics as offered by “The Nine”. Still, the relationship with SRI and, by extension, the CIA, along with Hubbard’s expertise in mind control (even writing a handy “manual” attributed to evil communists) makes them an important part of this story.

Oh, and L. Ron thought he was the heir to Aleister Crowley and his role as “The Beast”. There, I said it.

Sphinx Excavations

During this period, SRI sent people to do a variety of remote sensing tests to determine if there were chambers underneath the Sphinx. This was “remote sensing” not “remote viewing”, though this is an interesting confusion in its own right. Remote sensing is simply the use of technology to get information about things we can’t actually get to directly, such as underground structures. Among others chipping in for this work was the Association for Research and Enlightenment, the foundation which preserves the legacy of “Sleeping Prophet” Edgar Cayce. He said there were chambers under the Sphinx, but the question is, why did SRI even care?

Sidney Gottlieb

Gottlieb is the uber-baddie in MKULTRA and was the head of MKULTRA when it was providing startup funding for SRI’s remote viewing program. MKULTRA, under Gottlieb, also funded Puharich’s excursions to find magic mushrooms. Gottlieb had also been at Edgewood Arsenal, where U.S. Army chemical and biological warfare was developed when Puharich was recalled into the military and stationed there himself.

Louis Jolyon West

Despite having completely mocked research into psychic phenomena, West became a “medical advisor” to a private sector remote viewing program. Well, I say “private sector” but his role in this capacity was at Scientific Applications International Corporation which was infested with all kinds of high level intelligence and military officials in its leadership and basically took over SRI’s role in remote viewing. Oh and not to freak you out or anything, but SAIC also took over “Network Solutions.” Those are the guys that parcel out internet domains. Just sayin’.

Anyhow, West was the head of UCLA’s Center for the Study and Prevention of Violence, which was involved in “behavior modification” experiments at Vacaville Prison, including on one Donald DeFreeze who would eventually form the Symbionese Liberation Army and kidnap Patty Hearst. Luckily, there was a handy group of psychic spies nearby at SRI, and remote viewer Pat Price was, amazingly, able to pick out a photograph of one of DeFreeze’s accomplices from a huge number of pictures. It’s almost like he knew ahead of time or something.

To complete this sordid circle, when Patty Hearst came to trial for her mind control induced role in a bank robbery, who but Jolyon West was called in as an expert witness.

Esalen

The Esalen Institute was not directly part of SRI, but it might as well have been. A center for New Age thought but also of some curious “cultural exchanges” with Soviet scientists, it could be considered the second focus for the ellipse that was the burgeoning New Age. I ordered a book about Esalen called Upstart Spring as part of this research. There is also another book called Upstart Spring about a cardiac surgeon or something and given my own ADHD, you can guess which one arrived in the mail. In any event, even without that particular source, it is safe to include Esalen in our list of people and places in the SRI orbit.

The Aviary

The Aviary is a group of government “insiders” who tittilated the UFOlogy crowd for years with a wide range of disinformation. Many of these guys track back directly to SRI, such as Puthoff, or to other military or CIA remote viewing programs. Buncha spooks, if ya ask me. These men will be central to steering the UFO mythology and will found all sorts of UFO, remote viewing and “alternative spirituality” organizations.

Jack Sarfatti

A prominent physicist, Sarfatti received a number of phone calls from a “computer from the future” in 1953 while a student attending a “gifted program” sponsored by Sandia Labs and led by a convicted pedophile who would later marry Marion Zimmer Bradley. The calls would put him into a sort of trance. The computer told him that if he chose to, he would be at the center of a high level group of scientists in twenty years. Lo and behold, it came true, and most of those scientists were employed by or involved with SRI. Not to spoil the plot or anything, but he admits it could have been Puharich in a sort of “vocational manipulation” operation. Sarfatti’s not the only one to experience such a mysterious career push.

Ira Einhorn

Einhorn was a master networker and New Age showman who acted as a sort of information distribution hub for a wide variety of scientists, corporate bosses and alternative thinkers. Considered an informant by some on the “serious left” Einhorn came into the orbit of Puharich and a variety of other SRI-associated folks in the seventies. Einhorn started to crack up a bit after meeting Puharich, but that might have just been the constant flow of Ketamine provided by Einhorn’s shrink. Showing signs of a possible dissociative disorder, Jewish Einhorn had a longrunning abusive relationship with Holly Maddux, the daughter of a Texas Nazi. She could not seem to escape this always turbulent relationship with Einhorn, inexplicably compelled to keep returning to him. Eventually, Einhorn killed her and stuffed her in a trunk. It could have been a frame-up…but the facts are pretty damning. Einhorn fled the country and was finally extradited in 2001 and is currently in prison in Pennsylvania.

I could go but I will stop for now. But read it over again. These links are not tentative or speculative in any way. The connections to SRI are very direct. I’ll be providing plenty of documentation when addressing each of the above, but it’s not that hard to come by even while doing my best not to utilize sources whose own sources of information are unclear to me or otherwise unverifiable.

And the point is, if SRI had decided that a project was needed to shape the cultural space of the U.S. and the industrialized world and bring on the New Age, they sure had the firepower to do it. Perhaps it was all a big coincidence and at the very time SRI was calling for a “facilitated” paradigm shift, these New-Age change-agents simply started coming round. But that’s not likely, and when you add the darker connections to various MKULTRA programs, it starts to look like they went beyond “facilitating” and right into manipulation. Maybe I’m just jealous because I never get calls from a computer from the future. Sure, some prerecorded telemarketing calls that sound kinda high tech…

But before looking into those details, I’ll be looking at Changing Images of Man itself. Why do these guys think we need THEM to tell US what to believe? And how, exactly, are they proposing to get us to buy into it? According to the book, time is running out…but these guys ALWAYS say time is running out. Their predictions of doom, just like those of the aliens and all manner of New Age mystics, have still not yet materialized. But maybe it really is coming. Question is, are these the guys you trust to get us safely through to the other side?

86 Comments

  1. WoodyWoodman said,

    March 19, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    Does the zeitgeist have inertia? Have we firgured out who is playing Ozymandias? Nice post DE, wheels within wheels.

  2. Thirtyseven said,

    March 19, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    Outstanding….have you read the recent Vanity Fair article on SAIC?

    I got it PDF’d — I’ll put that up on SR today. Psyched to see where this will go, I learned a lot about the roots of SRI from this, thanks for that.

  3. Banta said,

    March 19, 2007 at 10:26 pm

    Excellent work. I think I’ll reserve my questions and comments until the end. I’ll be eagerly awaiting the next article.

  4. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 20, 2007 at 1:03 am

    Maybe the SRI-manufactured future has arrived. Ever notice how many super-natural, pre-cognition type shows there on tv the last few years? Trying to remember some of the names. Ghost Whisperer jumps to mind, for one.

  5. Thirtyseven said,

    March 20, 2007 at 1:38 am

    http://www.skilluminati.com/docs/SAIC_Report-VanityFair.pdf

  6. galactivision said,

    March 20, 2007 at 2:33 am

    (I had to pull this out of the spam filter, but the links don’t actually work. DE)

    Hey all - I was looking for something else in the SF Chronicle, and came across this 4-part series on sex-trafficking (specifically Korean). It’s from 2 years ago, but I had not seen it; apologies for any re-posting…

    SEX TRAFFICKING
    San Francisco Is A Major Center For International Crime Networks That Smuggle And Enslave

    A YOUTHFUL MISTAKE
    You Mi was a typical college student, until her first credit card got her into trouble

    DIARY OF A SEX SLAVE: THIRD OF A FOUR-PART SPECIAL REPORT
    BOUGHT AND SOLD
    You Mi is put into debt bondage — life becomes an endless cycle of sex with strangers

    DIARY OF A SEX SLAVE: LAST IN A FOUR-PART SPECIAL REPORT
    FREE, BUT TRAPPED
    In San Francisco, You Mi begins to put her life back together — but the cost is high

    -kp

  7. galactivision said,

    March 20, 2007 at 3:43 am

    Oh, yikes - strange, those were certainly the links, musta been internal-site-refs only. Here is the larger umbrella portal for these articles on SFGate:

    www.sfgate.com/sextrafficking

    Absolutely great stuff btw - I’ll be adding more of my .02 here and at brainsturbator in the future. Cheers

    -kp

  8. galactivision said,

    March 20, 2007 at 3:45 am

    …and by ‘great stuff’ I of course mean DE and the community comments, not the sex-trafficking.

    *sigh*

    full stop.

    -kp

  9. galactivision said,

    March 20, 2007 at 4:00 am

    re: supernatural TV themes

    A few years ago I remember thinking about how TV/movies were really getting saturated with supernatural/spiritual/occult themes. While I wasn’t as familiar with the TV element at first (haven’t watched TV in years, mostly researching this kinda stuff and renting dvds), I had a discussion with my family about this as one of their favorite shows at the time was ‘Joan of Arcadia’:

    (from wikipedia): Joan of Arcadia is about a teenage girl, Joan Girardi (played by Amber Tamblyn), who sees and speaks with God in the form of various people such as small children, teenage boys, elderly ladies, transients, passers by, etc. Joan is asked by God to perform tasks that often appear to be trivial or contrary, but the end result of which is always positive towards a larger situation.

    As far as new 06/07 shows, the only one that I have heard about from friends is ‘Heroes’.

    (again from wikipedia): Heroes is an American science fiction drama television series, created by Tim Kring, which premiered on NBC on September 25, 2006. The show tells the story of several people who “thought they were like everyone else… until they woke with incredible abilities” such as telepathy, time travel and flight. These people soon realize they have a role in preventing a catastrophe and saving mankind.

    Finally, here is a night-by-night breakdown for the 05/06 season (from paranormal.about.com):

    Charmed (WB, 8pm) – This WB mainstay returns for its 8th season, starring Alyssa Milano, Rose McGowan and Holly Marie Combs as three attractive witches and their often tongue-in-cheek paranormal adventures.

    The 4400 (USA, 9pm) – An extraterrestrial craft touches town in the Pacific Northwest, and 4,400 people emerge, all of whom were presumed dead or missing. If that weren’t enough, they each have different supernatural powers. (Repeats other nights of the week.)

    The Dead Zone (USA, 10pm) – This new series is based on the characters created by Stephen King is his book of the same title. Anthony Michael Hall is a man who has awakened from a six-year coma to find that he has powerful psychic abilities. (Repeats other nights of the week.)

    Monday

    Medium (NBC, 10pm) – This hit show returns for its second season. Inspired by real-life psychic detective Allison Dubois, Medium stars Patricia Arquette as a psychic who helps police solve difficult cases.

    Tuesday

    Supernatural (WB, 9pm) – Two young brothers traverse the country in their ‘69 Chevy Impala in their mission to carry on their missing father’s quest to seek out and silence the supernatural forces responsible for their mother’s murder 20 years ago.

    Wednesday

    Ghost Hunters (SciFi, 8pm) – The Rhode Island-based TAPS ghost investigation team returns for a second season, taking their high-tech equipment and open-minded skepticism to various haunted locations around the US.

    One Step Beyond (Discovery, 8 pm) – Examines various aspects of the paranormal, including ghosts, psychic phenomena, cryptids and more.

    Lost (ABC, 9pm) – Something weird is going on on the island where survivors of a plane crash have been marooned. We’re not sure if there’s something paranormal there or not, but there may be a monster of some kind… as well as other mysteries. Second season.

    Invasion (ABC, 10pm) – Are extraterrestrials already among us, undetected? That’s the premise of this new show that suggests that all the devastating natural disasters we are experiencing may be a smokescreen for an alien plot.

    Thursday

    Nightstalker (ABC, 9pm) – This remake of the 1970s series starring Darren McGavin focuses on the investigations of Carl Kolchak who, like Mulder and Scully, has a nose for supernatural mysteries.

    Friday

    Ghost Whisperer (CBS, 8pm) - Jennifer Love Hewitt stars as a newly married young woman who can communicate with spirits of the dead, a gift that intrudes on her desire to lead a normal life. Inspired by the work of psychic James Van Praagh. New show.

    Threshold (CBS, 9pm) – A cargo freighter encounters something unexpected out at sea: an extraterrestrial spaceship. Operation: Threshold is put into force to find out the intentions of the aliens, good or bad. New show.

    Most Haunted (Travel Channel, 9pm) – This British import chronicles the investigations of some of the most haunted locations around Europe. The ghost-hunting team includes medium Derek Acorah and some top experts from the paranormal field.

    Other

    Masters of Horror (Showtime, date and times not announced) – This new anthology series features such well-known directors as John Carpenter, Joe Dante, Tobe Hooper and George Romero offering horror-themed films.

    Ghost Encounters (to be announced) – Ghost researcher Peter James and co-host Fiona Horne unveil the mysteries of the spirit realm in haunted locations around the world, along with various celebrity guests.

  10. Banta said,

    March 20, 2007 at 5:13 am

    Of course, New Agers will contest that the reason why we’re seeing these shows on right now is because of our “collective unconscious” asserting itself.

    Invasion was particularly interesting to me when it premiered… I never really watched it, but I was vaguely acquainted with the plot. It came on shortly after Hurricane Katrina and it had something to do with aliens hiding inside or manufacturing a hurricane of the coast of Florida, I think. Either way, if I recall correctly, Richard Hoagland used this show to make some sort of a point of that the hurricanes were being manipulated by the government.

    http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/08/hyperdimensional-katrina.html

    I don’t think the mention of Invasion is in there, looking at it now… in fact, I might be getting Hoagland confused with some other guy right now (they all blend together!), but I always did that that Invasion’s timing was pretty damn weird. That doesn’t have to indicate that there is working weather modification technology, but simply that were natural cycles which could be used to predict a heavy hurricane season. In fact, that’s what I found most interesting about Hoagland’s theory… he’s spent a great deal of time trying to illustrate that there are natural, scientific reasons for the weather changes occuring on Earth and in our solar system and then at the first chance he gets, he decides to say that a major storm was manipulated by technology. Same thing he did in a study of the ridges of Iapetus, a moon of Saturn.

    http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

    He spends all this time working on a “hyperdimensional physics” theory and then he sees some ridges on a moon and determines that it can’t possibly be a result of the harmonic theory of the universe that he’s promoting… it has to be the result of the moon being artificial!

    Anyway, I got completely off track from what I was talking about. Sometimes you just got to rant. The point was, Invasion struck me in the same way 24 did when it premiered… a show about a fictional counterterrorism unit debuting just a couple months after 9/11. Seems fishy to me.

  11. HMW said,

    March 20, 2007 at 6:04 am

    Yikes, what a collection of occult TV shows.

    Getting/keeping people superstitious and irrational with haunting images, preying on fears, and driving people towards mysticism seems to be the goal.

    Religious fantasy is a double-edged sword that both serves as palliative and comforter during violent times and feeds the ever-so-recruitable-and- simplistic good vs evil clash of civilisation theme covering for the oil war. It taps into the American exceptionalist mindset which mixes Master Race and Chosen People status together to get ‘Warrior’ as the ultimate expression of purpose and virtue.

    I recently heard 15 minutes of the latest Harry Potter movie while I was browsing my local video store’s shelves for new decoys. Just the sound of the movie was like listening to a torture session, non-stop grunts and screams of anguish and suffering.

    I commented to the clerk that it was listening to Abu Ghraib. Blank stare of incomprehension from a high school girl.

  12. dude h said,

    March 20, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    its all so mind blowing. but it all makes sense too…it goes with the synchronicity i have been experiencing of late, namely, seeing in all sorts of places how the truths we take for granted are based on lies. i am reading a book written by some reputable biblical archaeologists who are claiming that the bible stories simply do not match up with the rigors of actual archaeological science, and that a lot of the old testament story is made up. the “ancient” hermetic texts discovered to be actually from around 300 BC by casaubon (!)… fast forwarding to the modern times, there is that golden dawn “pedigree papers” thing, wicca being invented by crowley and gardner, the entire new age thing being an attempt at cultural engineering…Ms magazine and steinem got CIA money, leary was possibly some sort of asset, etc etc.

    i will say this though: there is not some big brother with absolute control. these are still humans, and the monsters still escape the lab and do their own thing. the wizards can create and guide a bit, but creations like entire cultures can not truly be steered in total.

    one more thing, it really sucks to see that joseph campbell would be involved. i need to go back and take that guy down a few notches in my personal pantheon. the power of myth saved me from becoming a total atheist in my teenage years. his historical atlas of world mythology and his theories about how subsistence methods/economies/lifeways influence the religious ideals of the age have always stayed with me as great truths. and we know that someone like that would naturally come to the conclusion that its time for a new paradigm, but to work with these spooks on *creating* one? fine line between understanding god and playing god…

  13. dude h said,

    March 20, 2007 at 9:12 pm

    the REALLY weird synchronicity, and i know im gonna get shit for this, but here goes…

    ive been reading these great blogs lately, about sex (humpjones) drugs (brainsturbator) and thought control (skilluminati) and …some of what ive seen in these nice places is a confirmation about the forged nature of reality i referred to above. for example, it was nice to see that piece about gloria stienem getting some CIA bread without having to put up with the likes of a henry makow at the same time. but i was reminded of the terrence mckenna quote, where they ask him why guys like him were not only tolerated but maybe even encouraged or god forbid even funded by these spooks…he speculated that maybe such practice was a “fallback position” for these elites, that a terrence mckenna and his ideas might provide a place to pick up if the whole edifice of postmodern reality comes crashing down.

    this is the ambiguity of it all: i still like joseph campbell even if it turns out he was an SRI stooge, whether willingly or whether he didnt realize what they were all about. maybe he did, and decided his contribution to human evolution was too precious to leave unengaged in such a project as the CIM study. no easy answers, and the more i read up on all this shit the more i realize: when you are out of easy answers, your ass aint in kansas anymore and now you start to get out to where the truth is–truth being, of course, the biggest lie of all.

    so lets say that its all true and that this whole pop culture we find ourselves in really is the continuing evolution of a process that these spooks set into motion, even one that they can exercise some rudimentary control over (more like steering the titanic–wont turn on a dime, but maybe on a billion dollars and a generation or two)…if this is indeed the case, what do you do? if everything good or bad and in between has a trace of this hidden hand, what then? i still like star trek every now and then. i would still rather hang out with wiccans than even old school christians, much less the new variety. i would have to admit to having had some of my values handed to me by these guys, while at the same time realizing that in many ways those values are better than the alternative. there are no easy answers…not in kansas…

  14. dude h said,

    March 20, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    –i said i would get a hard time for that post because i was a fraid i would come off with some sort of cultural stockholm syndrome. turns out i didnt indulge in too much of that, but nonetheless. theres half empty, half full, but in the end its still a half a glass of water.

  15. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 20, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    I don’t know–sometimes I still wonder if they weren’t forging a new reality, but rather were doing some measuring, assessing, putting their finger in the wind to forcast the weather, then got in on the ground floor, kind of a creepy “insider trading”, if you see what I mean. Sorry if I’m mixing metaphors. But, even this explanation doesn’t explain the actions of many of them.

  16. dude h said,

    March 21, 2007 at 12:54 am

    theres room enough for multiple explanations.

  17. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 21, 2007 at 1:58 am

    Hmmm, if they were trying to part people from their religions, why? Were they copying the communists and the way the commies took away religious worship from their people? Then why would they try to substitute some weirdo new religion of their own? Is it all about funding?

  18. dreamsend said,

    March 21, 2007 at 2:51 am

    Well, I hate to even mention this at this stage, but there’s a pretty strong continuity with the religion being promoted. I don’t know whether the point is to exploit a growing trend or to create one, though I hate to say that it sure looks to me like a lot of it has been completely a result of their little “project.” Truly, I don’t know how to write about that aspect of things without coming off as some sort of Christian fundamentalist.

    By the way, on bathwater and the babies therein. They had a LOT of people in the CIM study and most quite possibly thought it was what it purported to be. But on the other hand, Campbell came to prominence via Bill Moyers and Bill Moyers…well, Bill Moyers is worth a post of his own. It’s complex and by the way I will surely get some of this wrong. These blog posts are my speculating aloud. Feel free to call me on any specific misstep but don’t get too mad if I change my mind about things from post to post. One of the big problems with most “conspiracy theory” especially as wielded by Birchers and Ickeans is a tendency to oversimplify to the extreme.

    For example, elites run the world but they fight amongst themselves. It’s important to be able to understand that and not fall into this weird tendency the left has now of embracing anyone anti-Bush, for example. Pat Buchanan can suck my ^&%*…I don’t care if he’s anti-Bush or not.

  19. Michael Morecock said,

    March 21, 2007 at 3:05 am

    Finally! I’ve been visiting every day, hoping for the next series. Great start DE!

    If they buy into the global brain - collective consciousness, and the 100 monkeys thing, then it makes sense why they’re so intent on changing the “image of man”. They need to build up these memes in the collective consciousness, because then they manifest as our “reality”. To them, it probably doesn’t even matter that DE or RI is attempting to decode them, because that is simply more proof that we’re thinking about them, and for a meme, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

    Is the is “Great Work” of the Masons and the occult? The idea that we all, collectively, create the Demiurge?

    What I find really weird is the whole UFO thing, because it’s so bizarre, yet so central to the mythos. Why was it needed that we all be made aware of aliens through TV, movies and books? Couldn’t they have come up with something more… “believable” to achieve social transformation? Why not just tweak existing belief systems - that’s what the usual despots do.

    Speaking of belief systems, the Fundie conspiracy theorists. They seem to be ahead of the pack in realizing that the agenda is, dare I say it, “religious” in nature. But then they think that Jesus will come down to earth and meet them in the sky, to “rapture” them into heaven before anything really, really bad happens. Hey, wait a minite….

  20. dreamsend said,

    March 21, 2007 at 3:22 am

    Actually, it’s interesting how often Christian apocalyptic visions are incorporated into this. Google the improbably named Lambert Dolphin. He was the guy Hoagland was told to work with by SRI on the face on mars project.

    You’ll actually see that a LOT of the channeled material of the Nine and just about every other “entity” put a lot of emphasis on Jesus. The Nine, not surprisingly, had to chide the Jews for not accepting Jesus…you’ll see a lot of that, too.

    I think that it’s part of a strategy to get Christians to buy into this stuff without having to abandon the comfort of their original faith. I think the whole Dan Brown thing is part of that.

    20 years or so ago I attended a months long retreat at a Catholic center in Wisconsin. The retreat itself was run by a somewhat disharmonious pairing of Catholic nuns and Quakers. The nuns were really into the “enneagram” which comes to us via Gurdjieff. Strieber is Catholic and he was into Gurdjieff.

    I am trying to be careful to remember that belief systems grown and morph and incorporate new material all the time. So, with that in mind, I am trying to see places where there is obvious manipulation going on.

    For example, when Hal Puthoff lies about the origins of the remote viewing program, we can then conclude that Hal Puthoff lies about stuff related to this belief system. Now, I suppose it is possible that many in this effort truly believe the world was going to end and that it was important to tell us what to believe pretty damn quick. Even if that involves manipulation.

    However, we’ll see later that there’s definitely a cynical side of this. I mean the book really does say that multi-national corporations will be among the most important change agents to transition us to the new age. I think that may tell you pretty much all you need to know.

  21. Michael Morecock said,

    March 21, 2007 at 4:26 am

    “I think that it’s part of a strategy to get Christians to buy into this stuff without having to abandon the comfort of their original faith. I think the whole Dan Brown thing is part of that.”

    I think it’s probable that the “Christians” abandoned their “original faith” long before Dan Brown - though I agree that the cult of the Divine Feminine plays some sort of role in all this. What is a “Christian” anyway? Pick a sect. Masons claim lineage from the “Christian” Knights Templar (and just about every other bloodline of note)warrior monks who were (nearly) wiped out by King Philip the Fair. Am I the only one who sees the Knights Templar are now cast as Jedi Knights? Which handily brings the subject back around to myths about outer space.

    Somehow it all seems connected.

  22. dreamsend said,

    March 21, 2007 at 5:53 am

    Great comment. I am very suspicous of these folks “subverting” Christianity from its present state but I can’t say I’m a real big fan of the present state of Christianity either.

    And I think we need more of the Divine Feminine, not less. However, if you read the Davinci Code, that really is not there to the extent people think it is. In fact, I think traditional Catholic’s who emphasize Mary as divine are more in touch with the divine feminine than by those whose primary use for her is the establishment of “Jesus as King” (and descendants thereof, through another Mary, entwine with European history, etc. ) Really, she’s a bit player in that schema.

    It is complicated. There are even Thelemic Templars.

  23. 11:11 said,

    March 21, 2007 at 9:52 am

    Well, shit. Just a month or so ago, I had decided to pry myself away from this machine, and get back to interacting in the flesh. Now, I’ve discovered DE. Not only am I hooked, but I will be forced to read up, which is going to take me for freaking ever. Damn you, DE, and fanfuckingtastic research!

    Couple things: You said, “Einhorn fled the country and is somewhere in Europe.” Actually, he’s in prison, convicted of the gf’s murder.

    When Waco came down, I was already a conspiracy minded type, as I was aware of the Federal Reserve and IRS scams. I had sort of pushed those things to the back of my mind, mainly because I couldn’t figure out what to do about it, when my government murdered 90 people for being weird (and armed). Shortly after that, I moved home to Michigan, after a long stint living in L.A. When I got back, an old friend, and eccentric paranoid, invited me to a meeting of the Michigan Militia. Curious type that I am, and seeing that SOMEBODY had to do something about the jackbooted thugs, I went. It was a bizarre mixture of drug fried Vietnam vets, Catholic social activists, Christian Identity neoNazis, American Indians, anarchist college kids, Art Bell fans, bow hunting survialists (Ted Nugent t-shirts), and myself, a Nader supporting, 30+ year vegetarian, animal rights activist. I shit you not. It was there that I was more aware than ever, that strange bedfellows are real. Which brings me to my next point.

    Wonderer asked: “Hmmm, if they were trying to part people from their religions, why? Were they copying the communists and the way the commies took away religious worship from their people? ” Funny you should say that because at RI, I raised that point. Just from my own observasions, I see MANY forces at work, and the usual paradigms of left/right, fascist communist, etc., no longer apply (if they ever really did). I ran across a link from one of the writers for EIR, who I know DE doesn’t like, but I think it’s very relevent to what you’ve asked. This is about the Tavistock connection, and the leftist social control freaks. For the life of me, I cannot see any differences between them and the right leaning fasists. It’s all totalitarian mind control. I encourage everyone to read it, in order to get more well rounded perpspective of the forces at play:

    http://american_almanac.tripod.com/steinb.htm

    DE, I think you’re one of the most intellectually honest people that I have encountered on line. I do think you have a bit of a blind spot, though, and it’s a sort of holding the left at arms length. All I can say is there are no sacred cows. All people must be evaluated for their actions, no matter what labels and ideologies they hide behind. While the Nazis butchered 12,000,000, Stalin and Mao killed how many? The USSR did it’s own mind control research, and had their psychic spies. Probably still do. And they’ve got that Woodpecker thing. And it was the left that stood smugly in judgement of the Branch Davidians, defending murder “for the children” - not because they were harming anyone, or because they were a cult, but because they didn’t conform. If that’s not mind control, enforced at the barrel of a gun, nothing is.

  24. fortwynt said,

    March 21, 2007 at 10:22 am

    As for “christians”, it has all become soooo legalistic and ritualistic, the very same things christ came to destroy the concepts of, that I just sit back and laugh about it…it is just as much a hypocritical judgemental and legalistic Pharisee religion as the Pharisee of Jesus time were….I feel he would have a big laugh about it too after he was done “running the moneymakers out of the temples” so to speak.

    I agree, regardless of left, right, center, etc, ALL sides should be scrutinized, questioned, and thought about until we come to a rightful conclusion about every issue and person representing said issue.

  25. WoodyWoodman said,

    March 21, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    Micheal Moorecock weighs in on mordern science fiction. It’s a bit of a read for a link on a comment section but an interesting analysis. Plays to some of the themes mentioned.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20021224193414/http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/moorcock.html

  26. dreamsend said,

    March 21, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    11:11, thank you for the correction about Einhorn. I have changed that in the text. I’m sorry you don’t get the irony (at best) of quoting a cult about mind control. It’s funny but Larouche and L. Ron Hubbard had this in common and I think that can’t be a coincidence. That is, they would “expose” what others were doing when they were doing the same things. With Larouche you can find all kinds of exposes about international money laundering, for example. He later utilized those same techniques for his own organizations.

    LRH released a book purporting to be from the USSR and outlining all their alleged mind control techniques. Not only was it not from the USSR it was a pretty good summary of MKULTRA techniques and, of course, the techniques he, himself employed. He seemed too knowledgeable of MKULTRA way too early for him simply to have made that stuff up. Somehow, he knew.

    There certainly are “leftwing” cults. The New Alliance Party is one and I’m learning about another one called re-evaluation co-counseling. The RC likes to take over political groups. Their rhetoric is very progressive and they are focused on eradicating racism. However, when you learn about their history and structure you learn that they are quite cultish. When they seemed to be getting involved in local activism here it was hard to talk about because people looked at their focus on racism and couldn’t understand why anyone would object to that.

    Learn more about Larouche, 11:11. That is a very deep and very complex subject. He definitely had ties to US intelligence and also is very deeply connected to world’s fascist movement. He is acknowledged by friend and foe alike to have the most sophisticated private intelligence operation in the world. So he does turn up a lot of dirt. Problem is that he’s going to pop in his own spin and outright lies as well.

    I’ve read one book on him so far by Dennis King. Very limited hangout in some ways but the areas he does choose to address he addresses very thoroughly. He left some gaping holes though.

  27. dreamsend said,

    March 21, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Woody, nice link. I have to admit that I have a whole sci-fi/fantasy geek side. As I started to examine the politics behind it I’ve become very critical…but still have a sci-fi/fantasy geek side. It does not inherently have to be that way but I think that essay (which I haven’t finished yet) is right on. Thought I’d post the first paragraph and also wonder what new commenter “Michael Morecock” has in common with “Michael Moorcock.” Just a fan?

    “There are still a few things which bring a naive sense of shocked astonishment to me whenever I experience them — a church service in which the rituals of Dark Age superstition are performed without any apparent sense of incongruity in the participants — a fat Soviet bureaucrat pontificating about bourgeois decadence — a radical singing the praises of Robert Heinlein. If I were sitting in a tube train and all the people opposite me were reading Mein Kampf with obvious enjoyment and approval it probably wouldn’t disturb me much more than if they were reading Heinlein, Tolkein or Richard Adams. All this visionary fiction seems to me to have a great deal in common. Utopian fiction has been predominantly reactionary in one form or another (as well as being predominantly dull) since it began. Most of it warns the world of ‘decadence’ in its contemporaries and the alternatives are usually authoritarian and sweeping — not to say simple-minded. A look at the books on sale to Cienfuegos customers shows the same old list of Lovecraft and Rand, Heinlein and Niven, beloved of so many people who would be horrified to be accused of subscribing to the Daily Telegraph or belonging to the Monday Club and yet are reading with every sign of satisfaction views by writers who would make Telegraph editorials look like the work of Bakunin and Monday Club members sound like spokesmen for the Paris Commune.”

  28. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 21, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    “I am trying to be careful to remember that belief systems grown and morph and incorporate new material all the time.”

    Exactly. I think it will be hard to tease out that which is just fad-ish, to which even religions are quite inclined all by themselves, from the manipulation part. Not sure, but the born-againers might just be a newer fad of Christianity, and probably not even the latest in a long list of Christian fads. So, that’s also where I find myself trying to understand the conspiracy part of UFOlogy. Some or much of UFOlogy would have happened regardless. The fictions adjust as technology adjusts. Before UFOlogy, there was all the hollow earth fiction. I imagine that UFOlogy was inevitible.

    So, the quandry is going to be how to determine what is a fad, DE’s growing and morphing, and what is deliberate manipulation. It’s going to be interesting to see how DE gleans the corn from the stubble..

  29. dreamsend said,

    March 21, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    One way is to look for particularly longrunning but idiosyncratic beliefs. Emphasis on the star Sirius, for example, and the Mars/Egypt connection. The M/E connection can very easily be demonstrated to be a product of manipulation…all the original players involved are SRI or intel. ALL of them. But they, in their turn, incorporated a lot of this from Freemasonry, especially as “rebroadcast” via Edgar Cayce. Meanwhile, former Vice President Henry Wallace was in the thick of it as well.

    My primary interest is in tracking those particular little details as they serve as a sort of “chemical marker” for tracking this stuff. Larger ideas such as “Atlantis” or an approaching “golden age” are too vague for this purpose though clearly the looming golden age is central to the Changing Images of Man project…which I think we should call “ChIMP”.

  30. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 21, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Wasn’t Cayce a Mason?

  31. dreamsend said,

    March 21, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    Yes he was.

  32. dude h said,

    March 21, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    the part that freaketh me is the whole meme of the new age itself. i am one of those people who has no real problem with the so-called “occult.” crowley has been one of my heroes for years now–and anti-hero at the same time, since truth is the biggest lie, right right…he was either one of the first in the last century to start talking about a new age. the idea that there was once a matriarchal culture or “magickal formula” that was followed by a patriarchal “dying god” model, to be now superceded by the idea of a “crowned and conquering child,” was always something that appealed to me. i take great exception to a lot of the interpretation of what “his” idea of the “new aeon” entails, but the idea that there is such a process has been rather seductive. again, it goes right along with a parallel but later development in comparative religion via joseph campbell. succeeding paradigms one after another, only his wasnt based on “magic” but on economy as i said above. so for example, according to campbell, hunter gatherer cultures have a mythos that deals with the hunt, the animal spirits/totems that must be placated for a successful foraging culture. then agricultural economies take over, and now its about the sacrifice, the round robin of the four seasons, with death taking place in the fall so that crops will return in the spring. this is followed by an “age of man” where in a period of about 500-700 years you get zoroaster, buddha, confucious, and jesus, who bring in a completely different religious idea, that is more humanistic, more rooted in how we treat each other rather than heaping hecatombs…lewis mumford called this the “axial age.”

    campbell and crowley might have gotten on fine, but really they were coming from two different places, and moreover, campbell’s idea was more anthropological and scientific supposedly, whereas the magical view was more romanticized and poetic.

    you can look past crowley into the 19th century and see a gerald massey or other more theosophical minds talking about how the phenomenon of the precession of the equinoxes was simply a known fact among the wise from time out of mind–or at least 4000-6000 years. you have hamlets mill which sort of popularized the idea, right on time, in the 1960s, from a strictly literary-critical perspective.

    was it ALL a setup? how COULD it all be a setup? SRI did not invent the appellation of theseus as the archetype hero of aires! nor the adaptation of a ram’s horns for the devil-sign by the christian churches, or for that matter the use of a fish as a sign by the latter! what i mean is, the model for successive religious ages tied to astronomical precession is a very old idea. the question merely becomes how to re-interpret the same in light of the fact that there are these culture-making cultures that have been with us, wilsons “rival gangs of shamans.”

    i am led to the conclusion that, like with feminism, these guys see the writing on the wall and try to infiltrate and steer/co-opt the current.

    i am also struck by the idea, which i will again bring up, of how blatant forgeries become reality! let me give you a list of some of the greatest:

    the old testament.
    the new testament
    the english language itself via that whole rosicrucian invisible college shakespeare hellfire club thingie.
    (minors: the book of mormon and to a lesser extent the nation of islam mythos)
    wicca
    hp lovecraft
    scientology
    the new age as detailed here
    little green men in their nuts and bolts flying saucers
    and why not: harry potter.

    every one of them serious bullshit, every one of them plays some big or small role in defining our entire reality…but the wierd thing is, in many cases, the authors of these memes *knew ahead of time what they were doing and acted with intent.* and when they were just getting their jollies as in lovecraft and potter (fiction all!) some subset of the masses takes it and runs with it, no black budget think tank required!

    so there really ARE groups out there who actively create and release whole cultural paradigms into the wilds of human cultural evolution! THAT has got to be the biggest mind blower for me. on the other side of that coin is the fact that people are hungry for new realities and will adapt them when they feel the collective need! (as in the fiction).

    so where can we turn to for some good old fashioned reality?

    a christian for example, cannot simply recoil at the new age paradigm and retreat back into jesus arms–jesus is just another psyop that has a stronger pedigree and a longer history, and on a certain level there aint much difference between the new age of now and the new age of 2000 years ago!

    so what do we do with this? retreat into some sort of nihilistic apathetic haze? i dont want to do that either!

  33. dude h said,

    March 21, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    the mars/egypt connection can easily be seen for what it is. the whole idea of a new age is the part that is more difficult. please indulge just a bit more of my ramblings, with some possibilities re: the socalled precession of the equinoxes:

    1: the lodges see the writing on the wall (astonomical precession) and decide to use it as a culture forge, pun strongly intended.

    2: astronomical precession was always just such a vehicle, one that was used in earlier times for the same purpose and–regardless of the slow physical reality of the same–was as *culturally* arbitrary then as it is now.

    –2a: they did it a long time ago, they did it repeatedly, and here in the 20th-21st centuries (yeah but *whose centuries?) the idea has a patina, an antiqued look that gives it a de facto status as a natural law.

    –2b: there were really many more failed or stillborn cultural revolutions within those 2000-year periods but those get glossed over in the big psyop picture show. because the overall narrative that fools us into thinking this is natural law is what really matters.

    gee, i cant wait for 2012! hey did you all hear? the mayan calander *doesnt go any further than that man!* surely some revelation is at hand! now if you would all join me for a round of “the bethlehem slouch” we can all make the day go faster!

  34. Banta said,

    March 21, 2007 at 7:29 pm

    “a christian for example, cannot simply recoil at the new age paradigm and retreat back into jesus arms–jesus is just another psyop that has a stronger pedigree and a longer history, and on a certain level there aint much difference between the new age of now and the new age of 2000 years ago!”

    Just wanted to say I love this comment.

    I guess the only thing one can do is build their reality one day at a time, instead of looking for a quick fix from some level of authority.

  35. Banta said,

    March 21, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    I just thought, however, is that the major difference between psychological manipulation of today and that of hundreds and thousands of years ago is the level of technology available to promote such ideas (which the SRI seemed to understand). Never before in history has a group of people had the ability to massively influence virtually everyone on the face earth almost instantly, which is why I tend to think our current situation could be something a bit different. Simply watching TV can provide a person a complete guideline for their life, down to the most mundane details. Think of every sitcom on their air and how just about any situation one can face in life is addressed and a solution is provided. A strange comfort…

    Of course, some people won’t buy into this. That’s where a deeper mythos is needed. And the great thing is, if you get the people who think deeper to buy into a more elaborate worldview, these people will generally feel so strongly about it, that they’ll try and go out and recruit more true believers. I think that’s where a lot of these 10,000 heroes come from.

  36. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 21, 2007 at 8:07 pm

    Not to get off topic, but FAITH is an interesting concept.

  37. WoodyWoodman said,

    March 21, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    Getting a real understanding of what faith means to most religious folks is what stopped me from debating them. I finally got the absurdity of using arguements based on logic and evidence against something is all about belief without evidence. Man how dumb was I?

    I have to second Banta, dude h that was pretty funny.

    As for what to do? I have it figured out. I’m going to go met up with Dave Icke and some Care Bears downtown and shoot love-beams from our heart chakras at grumpy people. And possibly some lizards, you know, if we have time.

  38. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 21, 2007 at 8:53 pm

    Speaking of faith, This group must have known that there was no way to separate the majority of religious Christians from their faith. So, were the Christians even the target, or was it those with weak or no faith? Did they see an un-met market that they were eager to fill?

    There’s a “colony” of Maharishi’s just North of here, and the characteristic that strikes me about the ones that I’ve met is that they were unfulfilled seekers, following first one thing, then another, until they met the TM “faith”. I put that in quotes because the Marharishi himself says his isn’t a religion, but the followers sure act like it’s a religion. So, are the “un-faithful” mostly seeking faith?

  39. dude h said,

    March 21, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    youve got to create the hole in order to create the demand that the hole be filled. then you can sell filler to the “consumer” each according to his or her own vanity.

    “the cup is being filled only to be spilled.”

  40. dude h said,

    March 21, 2007 at 9:46 pm

    i had a coworker who asked me the other day why “white women love oprah so much.” i explained to him that she may represent some piece of authentic culture that they lack in their own wonder bread lives, and that black culture still has a pulse, and so white people in the US gravitate towards it. blacks have a good grip on defining american pop culture these days. i for one have no problem with that, thats not the point. i am elaborating on my last post. the culture is empty and vapid and devoid of real substance, and so people go looking for something else to “consume” to fill the hole. my coworker asked me “so do you think you have suffered from the same problem?”

    “of course!”

  41. Banta said,

    March 21, 2007 at 9:50 pm

    “Speaking of faith, This group must have known that there was no way to separate the majority of religious Christians from their faith.”

    I don’t know about that. I think there’s a great deal of Christians who can be led into believing something that’s sorta like Christianity while still fitting other New Agey type concepts in. I mean, it’s sort of hard to paint Christians with one broadstroke… otherwise, there wouldn’t be the need for so many different sects.

    Additionally, as the SRI report seems to acknowledge, it’s possible that other elements of culture are having an effect on faith as we know it. Being constantly bombarded with scientific data and the overall air of atheism that is pumped into one’s home daily via television is probably enough to place some doubt (doesn’t take much, just plant a small seed) in most people’s minds and have them looking for new answers - not answers that question their fundamentals, as most probably don’t want to have to go through the massive “soul-seeking” that requires (who has the time, anyway), but answers that can get their belief system slightly more in sync with the rest of the world. Very few people can be a “wonderer in the wilderness.” Only the most faithful will have their faith strengthened in a time of great doubt.

    Ultimately, faith is an emotion more than anything and being an emotion, it can be greatly manipulated.

  42. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 21, 2007 at 10:13 pm

    “I think there’s a great deal of Christians who can be led into believing something that’s sorta like Christianity while still fitting other New Agey type concepts in”

    Well, true. My mother-in-law was Christian, Church of Christ I think, but she was into tarot cards, that kind of thing. Although….she very rarely attended church. She was like many–if asked, would have claimed to be strong in faith, yet never broke a sweat over practicing it.

  43. Michael Morecock said,

    March 21, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    “Thought I’d post the first paragraph and also wonder what new commenter “Michael Morecock” has in common with “Michael Moorcock.” Just a fan?”

    Nah, just another coincidence. I haven’t even read him. But I did read the article, which was great! He said the Jedi were Templars in space way back in 1977. Thanks for the link, Woody.

  44. 11:11 said,

    March 22, 2007 at 12:24 am

    I think I have consciousness that is expressed in my psycial form, but is much more than that. I think thoughts create reality, and that the observed is affected by the observer. I guess that’s faith. I’ve posted on a board out of London, for a few years, where I have been ridiculed for even suggesting there is anything beyond the physical. I was met with parroting of school indoctrination about Darwin and the scientific method. I have also noticed that the atheistic (younger) Brit is the most mind/socially controlled specimen that I’ve ever encountered, and they LIKE it!

    If we are spiritual beings having a physical experience, I think someone is trying very hard to manipulate that notion. They either want us to be nihilistic biological blobs, or they want to hijack our souls, if we believe that’s what we truely are.

    One of the healthiest, most joy filled people I ever saw was Steve Irwin. That might have a lot to do with the fact that he was so in touch with Nature. Not worshipping it, but really living as part of it. Somehow, I think that connection, free of all ritual, just a grand appreciation for the connection of micro to macro, is what is missing in the people who are duped by the controllers.

    Kill your television still holds.

  45. 11:11 said,

    March 22, 2007 at 4:32 am

    Oh, boy. The lead story on the UC homepage, today, is:

    YOU Can Be Part of a Mind Control Project!
    22-Mar-2007

    Lynne McTaggart
    Maybe just one good thought is all it takes to change the world. On Saturday, March 24 at 10 am Pacific time, tens of thousands of volunteers from around the world will participate in a series of web-based experiments, which will form the largest mind-over-matter study in history. Lynne McTaggart, author of The Intention Experiment, was on our March 17 Dreamland show, talking about this incredible experiment in mind control, which she has designed with Dr. Gary Schwartz, who has also been a guest on Dreamland. The first experiment will be to try to heal an wilting plant. If it can be brought back to life, the next step will be to try to heal a person, or maybe even the earth. To register for the Intention Project, click here.

    http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6074

    erm, I’m all for healing the earth, and sending out good vibes, and whatnot, but isn’t this an odd choice of words? Is this the positive spin on the term “mind control”? Is this a little joke from Whitley?

  46. Avalon said,

    March 22, 2007 at 11:50 am

    “i had a coworker who asked me the other day why “white women love oprah so much.” i explained to him that she may represent some piece of authentic culture that they lack in their own wonder bread lives”

    That epitomizes the trend I’m seeing here of outsiders blithely offering their opinions on things of which they have no experience, and seemingly little understanding or depth of intellectual knowledge.

    And that goes for any of the outsider opinions about religious “faith” or “belief” that doesn’t take into consideration the equally (or even more) important role of experiences, practice, community, and having a symbolic structure to live within that works for those who practice a religion.

  47. dude h said,

    March 22, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    i hope you arent saying i am an outsider. as a white woman i do know darn well of what i speak. also, i have experienced first hand the value that living within a community of faith can bring.

    the fact that at the kernel there is some sort of lie, some sort of emptiness doesnt diminish that. i am not advocating some lapse into moral relativism because of all of this. my moral faculties are quite intact, and are naturally (love that word!) *naturally* coming from the *natural* judeo-christian concepts of right and wrong.

    i think that these bozos have built up these structures just to bring them down, or to subvert them to their own needs which change dramatically over the centuries. the seeming fact that elites can use these ideas as vehicles for control, and yet people on an individual or community basis can experience those same concepts as wholesome and meaningful ways to live life would seem contradictory at first….but thats truthiness for you.

  48. WoodyWoodman said,

    March 22, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    I’m glad that article was received so well, I didn’t completely agree with Moorecock about his analysis though. I feel that he is using ‘to a man with a hammer’ style of literary criticism but none the less makes some excellent observations. I ‘m also a big fan of Wells, I had always taken the War of the Worlds as a scathing indictment of Britsh Colonialism. Also if you believe Lucas he suggests that the whole of Star Wars was a meditation on the inevitable digression of the republic to empire, and fascism. Shame though it was done with such a lack of nuance.

  49. dreamsend said,

    March 22, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    11:11, thanks for the link to Strieber’s site. That is odd, isn’t it? An experiment to gauge whether the intentions of a large group of people can affect something like the health of a plant is called “mind control”? Given all that transpired on that site recently, this is a very strange choice of words. Interestingly, it gets right to the heart of what I think programs like Stargate were really about. The “coverup” originally was thought to be the idea that the military was using psychic spies. However, that was “leaked” in various ways early on. Not even leaked…spelled out. But now at Phillip Coppens’ site and a few other places the original players are beginning to acknowledge that there’s also a layer of all this that was about producing various types of psychotronic devices. However, they all still claim that the psychic stuff was working as well. Now, if the CIA thought psychic spying worked, then I’m sure they would pursue it, but either way, I think most of the RV program was more about MKULTRA than it was anything else.

    Think about it this way: the big paradigm shifter was Uri Geller. He was the one that got them all gaga. So if he turns out to be a fraud and if any at SRI were in on it, then what does that suggest?

  50. 11:11 said,

    March 22, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    dude, you’re a woman?! Who knew, lol!

    DE, what do you mean by “psychotronic devices”. I haven’t read any the Coppens stuff. I’ve seen Patricia post his links, but I just don’t read all the stuff.

    Some of the posters at UC are wondering about that title. My opinion is it was a litle dig at the peeps calling alien abduction mind control, on the UC site. There’s a real schizm of there on that issue. Have a look at the following post, to which I responded it was an apparent case of human manipulation. I was met with total silence.

    *********************

    Back in the 80’s I met two women through our chiropractor who also were experiencing Gray abduction scenarios.

    We all bonded quickly and came from similar backgrounds though both women were considerably older than me. Yet we became the three Musketeers and did everything together, quickly catching each other up in our lives.

    They both were working with a Dr. Richard Neal who was an OBGYN at the time who dabbled in Ufology and had a background in the military. They were also hypnotized by a husband and wife team who reported everything to Dr. Neal. They were having a heck of a time with their abductions. And oddly, both women worked then with TRW in highly classified areas.

    When we met, we would call each other if we remembered any odd experiences or dreams and just talk over our feelings over the abduction experiences. The very odd thing was we started noticing that we were having strange experiences on the same nights

    Then we realized that our physical markings of puncture wounds, bruises or pain would be in identical places or mirrored in the exact opposite places on the body. Our Chiropractor was documenting these strange markings at the time and was blown away by the incisions that would heal over night or the position of bruises in finger placements on the inside or top of the thighs.

    This is when we realized that we must be on the same “pick up” route for the Grays. And even stranger, we met another woman who later became the head of the communion support group for the Orange and San Diego Counties who also was on the same E.T. Bus route… So you have 4 women who are taken from 4 different areas in the same night who wake up with the same physical markers…

    **********************

    Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, but it IS a forum, and I just stated the obvious. I mean, a “pick up route”!!! I found that post to be very alarming because many of the women on that thread have been victims of the “lost fetus” phenomenom, and that doctor was an OBGYN! Christ on bike, that is some scary shit. WTF is happening with these fetuses??? The mind control is horrific enough, but these creeps are to MUCH more than that.

  51. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 22, 2007 at 7:17 pm

    Dang, DE, there’s a name and location for you.

  52. dude h said,

    March 22, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    file this under “further reading for curious primates.”

    http://www.brainsturbator.com/site/comments/jacques_vallee_critical_thinking_and_intelligent_ufology/

  53. dreamsend said,

    March 22, 2007 at 8:24 pm

    TRW = bad news.

  54. 11:11 said,

    March 22, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    I looked up that OBGYN and found he was head of some UFO group, and has recently suffered a stroke. I’d like to know how many of those women who came in contact with him have found their pregnancies go poof.

    Woody Woodman, in your first post, you said, “wheels within wheels”. I’m not familiar with that term, but I ran across this UC post. This is from a mc savvy member:

    Having said all those things, my own personal experience starkly contrasts that of my family members. 30 years ago I was told by a black-skinned human being that we are doomed as a civilization and a million of us will be removed from the planet at some future date. He said the WWII nuclear bombs had blown a hole in the atmosphere and that would end life as we know it. He handed me a mimeographed book explaining the nine steps to spiritual freedom and told me if I read it, I would be contacted by “them”. I read the book and I was contacted; consciously, mind-blowingly, unequivocally contacted. A month or so later I was shown a gigantic ship during a traffic stop in rush hour traffic on my way home from work directly above my car. All the people around me sat motionless in their cars. How does this fit in? Why would I be offered a book explaining spiritual transcendance? And why is my specific experience so completely different from other peoples’? Or is it?

    And this:

    He wasn’t a being, either, he was human. Seemingly unsophisticated, almost child-like in some ways. He told me he was being contacted regularly by aliens and absolutely, unequivocally proved it to me, unless it falls into the realm of mind control hallucinations.

    The book was written by an Air Force man. It was called Wheels Within Wheels and detailed the man’s extensive interaction with otherworldly entities who showed him each of the nine levels of transcendance. It was complex and detailed and laid out the pathway to spiritual freedom.

    http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/index.phtml?winmain=main

    There’s that number 9, again.

  55. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 22, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    11:11, do you know by chance if the Gary Schwartz mentioned in that lind is related to a Stephan A. Schwartz? This is Stephan (cache3d version for easier locating):

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Rv-SJmRqBhoJ:www.skepticalinvestigations.org/investigators/index.htm+Stephan+A.+Schwartz+%2BSRI,+International&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

    Stephan A. Schwartz
    Research Associate of the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory of the Laboratories for Fundamental Research, and previously founder and Research Director of the Mobius laboratory. Schwartz is part of the small group that founded modern Remote Viewing research, and the principal researcher studying the use of Remote Viewing in archaeology. In addition to numerous technical papers and reports he has written four books on the subject: The Secret Vaults of Time, The Alexandria Project, Mind Rover, and Through Time and Space. His submarine experiment using Remote Viewing helped determine that anomalous perception is not an electromagnetic phenomenon. He also conceived the original research that developed Associated/Associational Remote Viewing (ARV). Other areas of interest include research into creativity and Therapeutic Intent, including a continuation of the analysis of water exposed to therapeutic intent using spectroscopy that was begun by Grad.

  56. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 22, 2007 at 8:50 pm

    I found both a Gary Schwartz and a Stephan Schwartz listed at this link, something called Noetic Sciences.

    http://www.shiftinaction.com/share/forum/760

    “The Institute of Noetic Sciences is a nonprofit membership organization located in Northern California that conducts and sponsors leading-edge research into the potentials and powers of consciousness—including perceptions, beliefs, attention, intention, and intuition. The institute explores phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor.

    The Shift in Action Partners Program is a value-packed program designed to create expanded access to ideas, teachers, pioneers, and allies who are advancing the new perspectives our planet needs. Partners gain access to a weekly stream of teleseminars, audios, and videos, as well as ways to build online community and connect to local Community Groups and events. Partners receive the following benefits for only $10/month:….”

  57. Avalon said,

    March 22, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    Sorry, dude.

    When someone chooses the name “dude” and when asked to make a generalization this person refers to white women as “they” rather than “we,” there is no reason to assume that this person could be a white woman.

  58. 11:11 said,

    March 22, 2007 at 9:25 pm

    Wonderer, Gary Schwartz is mentioned in the UC link? If so, I didn’t see it because I haven’t read the entire thread. So, no, I have no idea.

    This Institue for Noetic Sciences is something that’s been the subject of some Art Bell interviews. I believe the person he interviewed was an astronaut.

    dude, I’m just reading though that Brainsturbator link and am at the part about Bill Cooper. I’d like to make a comment on Cooper:

    He retracted ALL of the alien stuff. He laid it all at the feet of MK ULTRA and human based mind control. I firmly believe that Cooper was a victim of mind control, and his writings and radio programs are very useful, in respect to observing a victim in the process of unraveling this stuff. His parents were military, he was in the Air Force, and then the Navy (intel), he was in Vietnam, his father was a Mason, and Cooper was a D’Molay (sp?) kid. He fits the profile of someone who has been messed with. If there is such a thing as suicide programming, I believe he had it. The more he got onto the realization about MC, the more he was spoiling for a fight, telling his radio audience that “they” would never shut him up, and that they would have to come up the mountain and kill him, which they did.

    I think it’s important not to define these MC survivors by where they were AT ONE POINT in their lives. The bulk of what I’ve learned about this is from them. We can get a lot of information from those who have been on this most bizarre, painful, and HUMILIATING journey.

    BTW, Cooper called Bell, Art “Bullshit” Bell.

  59. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 22, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    “Maybe just one good thought is all it takes to change the world. On Saturday, March 24 at 10 am Pacific time, tens of thousands of volunteers from around the world will participate in a series of web-based experiments, which will form the largest mind-over-matter study in history. Lynne McTaggart, author of The Intention Experiment, was on our March 17 Dreamland show, talking about this incredible experiment in mind control, which she has designed with Dr. Gary Schwartz, who has also been a guest on Dreamland. The first experiment will be to try to heal an wilting plant. If it can be brought back to life, the next step will be to try to heal a person, or maybe even the earth. To register for the Intention Project, click here.”

  60. dude h said,

    March 22, 2007 at 9:42 pm

    what if i said i was a strong, proud black man? just tell me what mask will validate my statement, and i will promptly dress accordingly.

    or, to put it another way:

    http://latin.bestmoodle.net/media/haha.jpg

    my statement stands on its own merits and does not matter what my gender or race is. anyway, hey, i have plenty of friends who are white women!

  61. dreamsend said,

    March 22, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    institute for noetic sciences = Edgar Mitchell.

    Edgar Mitchell = lead in testing Uri Geller at SRI.

    One big web.

  62. 11:11 said,

    March 22, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    Thank you, Wonderer, lol. So much for my skimming techinque.

  63. Avalon said,

    March 23, 2007 at 12:39 am

    That’s nice that some of your [best?] friends are white women. Same goes for me — and Dreams End knows enough of my demographics to figure out that’s probably what I am too.

    “as a white woman i do know darn well of what i speak.” — dude h post 47

    But with the wide range of white women I know, of various races, sexual orientation, and political views, I doubt that that I could find much of anyone who would speculate that white women love Oprah because “she may represent some piece of authentic culture that they lack in their own wonder bread lives,” rather than saying something like she seems to truly connect with and care about people she encounters.

    DE, I don’t mean to hijack the conversation over this, but it’s been my experience that when people online bullshit or play games about who they are in the little details, it’s a pattern that repeats.

    We return now to our regularly scheduled program of Strieber, aliens, and MC.

  64. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 23, 2007 at 1:38 am

    Actually, dude h, that quote I copied in # 59 reminds me so much of the Maharishi’s agenda. Makes me wonder if there are any Maharishi TM connections to Scientology.

    Come on Avalon, female, hemale, who cares what a nic means? Is it that important that a nic informs us of gender? For that matter, what is gender? A set of specific body parts? AAAACK! I had hoped we would be way beyond this by this point in time.

  65. Avalon said,

    March 23, 2007 at 2:53 am

    If you’ll look back, in #40 dude h made a generalization about “white women” and I called him on it, saying this was an example of outsiders trying speak for groups they weren’t part of. And hell, I didn’t even factor in the gratuitous racial insult he made.

    He tried to weasel out of it and say he was a white women himself, and the rest of you believed him.

    You’re right wonderer, race and gender shouldn’t really matter — unless somebody’s making racist and sexist remarks.

  66. HMW said,

    March 23, 2007 at 3:24 am

    Re: William Cooper

    Milton William Cooper published a book in 1991 that, by amazing coincidence, had the same title as a book project shopped around by the soon-to-be-murdered Danny Casalaro, ‘Behold a Pale Horse.’ It was easier to hide things in 1991 than today but the same technique of mirroring with a decoy is used frequently, “keyword hijacking.”

    Cooper mixed up a tossed salad of parapolitics and UFO disinfo while Casalaro had been researching a mundane web of shadow government drugs, murder, software spying, and gun-running.

    If Cooper was killed, then it was probably to divert even more attention from Casalaro’s story by adding more authenticity to Cooper’s disinfo project at his expense. Then both authors of ‘Behold a Pale Horse’ were murdered. Perfect mirror.

    Life is cheap to the people Cooper was working for. So his body was added to the pile of counterfeit pirate treasure he was selling for them.

  67. dude h said,

    March 23, 2007 at 3:26 am

    dont MAKE me have to whip out the ricky lake z-snap girlfriend!

    i will answer, and relate it to the thread at hand. then you can throw either tomatoes or squid onto the rink, each according to their vanity.

    1. i am actually a white male. i am exceedingly, exceedingly cheeky. somebody stop me, somebody please alert the Central Scrutinizer as to my errant sense of humor, which is bizarre and unnerving.

    2. my offhand comment about oprah was a flash in the pan portion of a longer conversation i had the other day. the fact that it is still being discussed is my fault, and yet i maintain that it was indeed on topic, except on a more macro level. its a little thing called truthiness, and really i need to just start my own blog and get into that whole subject.

    3. the reasons people like oprah are complex, but i remain convinced that my statement had some measure of truthiness because regardless of the facts, the greater idea that it relates to is true: there is a cultural vacuum in white america particularly that creates a hunger in US that we need to satisfy. its part of the built environment, its part of the pop culture landscape, its part of life. you can see it all around, from suburban white kids listening to hip hop, to their parents who have decked out their 3000 square foot consumption bubble in a “southwest” style with kachinas (read: similations of indigenous peoples’ religious artifacts) and “authentic” mexican blankets. oprah is on the tv, the cultural corrnerstone archetype “big mama” that their waspy fragmented asses never had growing up. its not true in all cases, but hell yeah that happens, hell yeah that stereotype has something to it, and the marketplace itself is all the proof you really need: the reason you can go buy those handmade kachinas made by indians is because white tourists eat that shit up.

    you dont see that stuff in a black families’ house. no “cherokee princesses” here, you are more likely to live in a real urban neighborhood and actually know your neighbors and have an extended family locally that is the building block of a real culture that satisfies you so you dont need to go looking elsewhere for it. you dont need to “consume” someone elses like just another commodity.

    AND YOU DONT MEET TOO MANY BROTHERS WHO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE FACE ON MARS OR WHETHER THE SPHINX IS 12500 YEARS OLD OR EVEN KNOW WHO ART BELL IS etc.

    4: how it relates to the subject at hand is: this isnt really an accident. some of it is, a lot of it is organic social processes working themselves out, but some of it has been imposed by these elites: if you want to plant a garden youve got to pull some weeds, know what i mean? if you want to make your new culture take root youve got to get rid of whats already there to make room for it. now like i said in some previous posts on this thread: how much of it is riding the writing on the wall as opposed to being specifically engineered is impossible to say, and probably beside the point. we could easily say that with darwin and modernism etc the monolith of western european anglo judeo christian civilization started to seriously crumble and this new age project entered the vaccuum, or maybe the guys had a hand in making it crumble. doesnt really matter, the results are such that the specifics are indistinguishable.

    5: and i personally have experienced this phenomenon, as a white male living in america. traditional values and religion and so on have very little appeal to me. i have tried to fill the gap with other things. i have been a consumer of other peoples cultures. i make a mean bisteeya, for example, and i can and sometimes do speak ebonically. i dont really watch oprah though…

    the central scrutinizer says: “if youve been mod-o-fied, its just an illusion and youre in-between!”

    PS: my apologies to dreams end if i am messing up his blog. say the word DE and i will chill. this is like the only online discussion i am even engaged in right now, everything else is like an outtake from the first chapter of ecclesiastes if you knwo what i mean. and avalon i am sorry if i come across as another internet fake. part of the reason my posting is the way it is is that ive encountered so much bullshit on the internet i just go with the absurd flow and dont take it too seriously anymore, and my humor is informed by that cynicism.

  68. HMW said,

    March 23, 2007 at 4:03 am

    To control people with their emotions it is very important to push them away from the firm soil of rational empirical science and out into the deep waters of fantasy.

    A large number of Americans are enmeshed in an authoritarian patriarchal Bible-ism which serves the State Department well. It is a short hop-skip-and-jump from Santa to God to the President.

    But the non-authoritarians must be pushed out to sea as well or else they will get a clue about how control works from history and psychology and warn the authoritarian state-ists how we are all getting played by the cave shadows.

    So more intellectually-complex and even egalitarian religious constructs are generated as a multiplex cinema of New Agey programs to tangle up cultural creatives who then confuse themselves and discredit themselves in the eyes of the authoritarian-state-ists.

    Seems the more gray matter the more room for distractions, UFOs and past lives, oh my.

    “Bill Moyers deserves a post of his own.” ! I’ll say.

    Formerly LBJ’s Karl Rove, he spent the worst Vietnam War years of 1967-1974 as Director of the Council on Foreign Relations, a post once held by the likes of Allen Dulles. That can’t be good.

    Moyers helped develop PBS as a viewer retention catch basin for readers who might otherwise not even own a TV. He also helped develop Voice of America-type channels for the State Department’s overseas propaganda projects before getting dipped in the private sector at Newsday and quickly bouncing back to CBS (CIA) to be the Official Liberal Mouthpiece.

    Former president of CBS News, Sig Mickelson, gave on-camera interviews detailing the long-standing relationship between CBS and CIA before he got there. He got tired of going down to a pay phone on the street to talk to Langley so he had a direct line put in. Thanks, AT&T!

    This is why Walter Cronkite’s name was one of many considered as a running mate for George McGovern in 1972. CBS’s Cronkite was the most trusted man in America and had helped run the country as a mouthpiece for the State Department in his day.
    How witting Cronkite was I don’t know. But the man’s not stupid about what goes on his teleprompter and what doesn’t. Rationalization and self-justification get us all eventually.

    And Moyers was at the heart of Cold War media-mongering for the State Department.
    Probably still is now that he’s got the Cronkite-like Elder Statesman of Media patina about him.

    Now he has a grip on ‘Amy Goodman progressives’ as does ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Moyers is the darling of those media reform conferences where nobody mentions Operation Mockingbird. Or will as long as he’s there, I’ll bet.

    So Moyers might be the ‘liberal CIA’ that Timothy Leary said was good to have on your side. Um, no thanks.

    Give me a 9/11 truther any day.

  69. HMW said,

    March 23, 2007 at 4:16 am

    Re: Oprah

    I’ve had long debates with my girlfriend (I’m male) about the cost-benefits of Oprah’s visibility and bucks.

    On the good side, she has pumped millions of dollars into women’s shelters and life-support systems for African villages, real life-and-death power used for humanity and goodness.

    On the down side, she’s used as a control mechanism here in the USA.
    >Her magazine image as a wealthy black woman at every supermarket check-out chute in the country serves to counter the outrageous truth about apartheid America where the quality of life for blacks is still terrible compared to whites. “Oh, things aren’t so bad for those people. Even Letterman jokes that Oprah has all the money. And lookit Condi! How far we’ve come.”

    >She has a HUGE affect on the publishing industry which was both revived by her on-TV book club and is made into an intellectual gate-keeper with either fiction or limited-hangout self-help books used as hand-holding palliatives for the many watching women who would otherwise be perhaps carrying out a revolution against the male fascist culture they see better than men do.

    So Oprah is helping to cover up the real conditions of black people in this country and being an energy sink for women who’ve fallen for her TV cult much the same way that Arundhati Roy warns us non-governmental organizations end up enabling abusive and disfunctional societies due to attracting the catalytic personalities who might change them while assuaging the need to see that ’something is done’ however inadequate.

  70. dude h said,

    March 23, 2007 at 4:21 am

    oprah+powell+rice = “hey man, some of america’s best friends are black!”

  71. dreamsend said,

    March 23, 2007 at 4:40 am

    HMW, do you have a source on the Casolaro title? That’s really interesting.

    Dude, umm…you aren’t really making it any better so why don’t we return this comments thread to comments about the topic.

    I can’t stand Oprah, myself.

    Finally, on the Maharishi/Scientology connection…I don’t know, but the Maharishi is definitely connected to all of this. Connection points include Danny Sheehan, John Gray and Stephen Greer.

  72. 11:11 said,

    March 23, 2007 at 5:18 am

    DE, the tentative title for Casolaro’s book is discussed in The Octopus. I must say, though, even Kenn Thomas and Jim Keith didn’t take it as far as HMW. Where did that come from, HMW?

    Where some see a fascist only conspiracy, Cooper saw it as Communist. The bulk of the information, is the same, though, with a totalitarian super-state, full of mind controlled slaves, being the result. Sometimes, I’m a bit disappointed that left/right biases prevent researchers from looking at an even bigger picture. The fisrt person I ever heard say the New Agers were old cult mind controllers and CIA spooks, was Bill Cooper.

  73. 11:11 said,

    March 23, 2007 at 5:32 am

    I just wanna add that the labyrinth of political conspiracy, mind control, the occult, et al, is huge and complex, and while I think many writers (and experiencers) have discovered some real facts and truth, there is a good chance that just about everyone gets part of it wrong. I wonder, sometimes, if it’s possible to get it ALL figured out.

  74. HMW said,

    March 23, 2007 at 5:55 am

    My source for Danny Casalaro’s proposed expose, ‘Behold, a Pale Horse,’ is pages 41, 42, and 45 of Kenn Thomas’ and Jim Keith’s 2004 book, ‘The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casalaro.’

    On page 45 of ‘The Octopus’ the authors note William Cooper’s use of the same title.

    excerpt-
    “Lear Jr. and Bob Lazar comprise a faction within the UFO sub-culture that maintains a regular presence at its gatherings. Other members of this nexus have included the redoubtable William Cooper, whose 1991 book, ‘Behold a Pale Horse,’ shared the title of the first draft proposal of Casalaro’s manuscript and became notorious for its examination of Area 51, its reprinting of the anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and its claim that JFK was shot by the driver of his car in the presidential motorcade. To a lesser extent this nexus also included Gordon Novel, by rumor and confession a minor player in the Kennedy assassination and the Watergate scandal. Some have suggested that the bizarre tales of extraterrestrials coming from this nexus serve as disinformation to deflect attention away from serious issues such as gun-running and black project weapons development.”

    Chapter 7, titled ‘Behold a Pale Horse,’ is only pages 41-42 so here they are.

    ***********************************************
    Danny Casalaro pulled the various threads he had uncovered together into a book proposal for submission to publishers, entitled, ‘Behold, a Pale Horse.’ He didn’t realize at the time, but he was describing a part of the interlinking cabal he would later call The Octopus. The following excerpt is from the book proposal.

    ” ‘Behold, a Pale Horse’ will be a haunting odyssey that depicts a manifesto of deceit, decisions of conscience, good and evil, intrigue and betrayal.

    John Philip Nichols found his promised land just north of Mexicali on the wild grasses above the Salton Sea.

    He was sixty-years-old then and the Cabazon Indian reservation on the edge of Sonora wa an ideal place for him to nurse his secret self. This is vast desert emptiness where the Yucca reaches nearly forty feet high, where the Mormons saw it as a symbol pointing to the promised land and they called it the Joshua Tree. But the Joshua Tree is an ugly, unsymmetrical lily with burly arms crooked at the elbow and it points everywhere, not unlike John Philip Nichols, as if asking itself “what shall I do next?”

    There is a point on the ridge of the Little San Bernadino mountains known as Salton View where you are more than five thousand feet above the desert and where, to the north, you can see the great escarpment of Mount San Jacinto and, to the south, the man-made Salton Sea, the orchards of the Coachella valley and, on a clear day, old Mexico.

    It is always clear in Indio and with the clarity of the warbler in the cottonwood grove, John Philip Nichols knew that he could bring his box office charity and all his earthly possessions into the reservation of the Cabazon Band of Mission Indians. With no more than two dozen Indians and nearly two thousand acres of desert solitaire, cactus and cotton grove, the Cabazon reservation was a suitable home for gambling, dope, dirty money and gun running and all the fugitive visions that line the edge of oppression.

    John Philip Nichols didn’t howl under twelve full moons before the gambling was underway and, in the desert night, people flocked from all over to Indio Bingo and to the poker casino at the fork of Highway 10 and Highway 86. Under a major corporation’s umbrella subsidiary, later to be named Cabazon Arms, the gun runners and the money traders soon arrived, the weapons makers and the generals from Babylon, contra resuppliers, covert operatives from the both the East and the West and, in what one source calls “a marriage of necessity,” the dope dealers, the mobsters and the murderers.

    Whatever John Philip Nichols saw in the dark cathedral of those desert nights in silence and certainty cracked and came unglued. After a number of still-unsolved execution-style murders and solicitation-for-murder charge for which he was jailed, the dark vision of John Philip Nichols eroded. Although he’s been released from a short stint in prison, he’s a one-eyed Jack now since only Indio Bingo gambling-managed by his sons, the Las Vegas-managed poker casino, the Indians and the most formidable creatures of the desert remain.”

    Several of the Cabazon Arms associates from the 1980s are coming out of the shadows to take top billing for the actual participation in the multi-million dollar laundered payment to the Iranians to delay the release of the hostages, in shutting down the dope and dirty money schemes of Nugan Hand and resurfacing its activities, in assisting Gerald Bull in the refinements and distribution of his weapon arsenal including his Super Gun and in the development of the Fuel Air Explosive technologies-thought to be responsible for the Beirut bomb which killed two hundred forty-one US servicemen.

    An international cabal whose services cover parochial political intrigue, espionage, the trade of weapon technologies, biotoxins, drug trafficking, money laundering and murder has emerged from an isolated Indian reservation just north of Mexicali. While this cabal continues, its origins were spawned thirty years ago in the shadow of the Cold War. In recent months, however, several of its members have gratuitously taken
    credit for the purposeful delay of the release of the hostages until after the 1980 election, scuttling and resettling the schemes of the Australian-based Nugan Hand bank, their involvement with Gerald Bull, assassinated last spring in Brussels and the development and distribution of fuel air explosive technologies.
    ****************************************************

    While we’re on the topic of title-hijacking I’ll add that Bob Woodward did the same thing to ex-CIA whistleblower John Stockwell that Cooper did to Casalaro.

    I just learned from reading John Stockwell’s ‘The Praetorian Guard’ that he was touring the US in the 1980s giving lectures called “The Secret Wars of the CIA” in which he blamed the CIA for atleast 6 million dead in the Third World adventures.
    Here’s a transcript and video of one of his October, 1987 lectures-
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm

    In 1987 Naval Intelligence officer/Washington Post agent Bob Woodward published ‘Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA 1981-1987′ which portrayed the CIA as merely defending against Marxism and blamed the dead William Casey for everything, of course.

    Title hijacking, keyword hijacking. All the same thing-decoys made of mirrors.

    This is why I get such predictable resistance to the very idea of keyword hijacking from some people online. Because it is a common and effective tool carefully guarded for future use, just like false-flag attacks. Plus it reveals diversion and cover-up operatives all too well.

    And that’s why the idea of COINCIDENCE is promoted by New Age disinfo cults.

  75. HMW said,

    March 23, 2007 at 6:15 am

    Beware the Coincidentalists. Coincidence is used to represent Fate, That Which Cannot Be Controlled Or Understood So Just Submit.

    At RigorousIntuition someone posted a pictorial about finding a teapot in a crawlspace that was the same teapot he’d just bought at a thrift store. Lots of photos of both ‘events.’ I smelled a Coincidentalist and had a rather hostile reaction to his staged-looking offering which some thought disproportianate on my part. Within hours he had also posted that ‘there was no way to know anything about 9/11 so we should all just coast and groove with the waves of life.’ Never heard from him again.
    Maybe the undertow got him, ay?

    In 1993 the Sacred Coincidentalist book ‘The Celestine Prophecy’ was peddled complete with a follow-up discussion guide for groups meeting to discuss it exactly the same way people huddled around ‘The DaVinci Code’ and all its spin-off net of muddlement and superstition. The movie was finally issued last year but not really noticed.

  76. 11:11 said,

    March 23, 2007 at 9:11 am

    HMW, I find this keyword hijacking, and mirroring, to be very interesting. I’d never heard of it before now.

    I remembered that Casolaro dies in 91, and looked up which month - August. Behold a Pale Horse (Cooper) was published in December of 91. Being that Casolaro had so many spooks for contacts, and that Cooper was obvioulsy mind controlled, this must mean that one of Casolaro’s contacts made Cooper’s handlers aware of Casolaro’s working title. Scary.

    While looking up the date of Danny’s murder, I ran across the following comment from “progressive”, David Corn :

    As David Corn of The Nation wrote in 1991,”anomalies do not add up to a conclusive case for murder”

  77. dude h said,

    March 23, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    “I just wanna add that the labyrinth of political conspiracy, mind control, the occult, et al, is huge and complex, and while I think many writers (and experiencers) have discovered some real facts and truth, there is a good chance that just about everyone gets part of it wrong. I wonder, sometimes, if it’s possible to get it ALL figured out.”

    bingo. you totally nailed it. youve got to find the truthiness of it.

    astronomers have a term for this:

    “Averted Vision -When you look directly at something, its image falls on your
    retina’s fovea centralis. This spot is packed with bright-light-optimized cone
    cells and provides sharp resolution under strong illumination. To see something
    faint, you have to look slightly away from it. Doing so moves the image of your
    target off the fovea and onto parts of the retina that have more rod cells,
    which see only in black and white but are more light-sensitive than the cones.”

    two things: someone mentioned phil coppens, definately check that guy out, he was one of the main researchers for the stargate conspiracy.

    also, re: bill cooper. i used to live close to where he died. in fact i got to talk to some local govt employees in the area once and i mentioned bill cooper and got their take on it. cooper came up (by me) in the context of a discussion about how apache county arizona is still one of those wild west kinda places, famous as an outlaw hideout back in the day, but it really still is. it totally made me think of william cooper who happened to go down shootin right around there. they remembered it, and from their perspective it seemed like he baited the cops, daring them to come get him. just like on his radio show. maybe he had himself suicided.

  78. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 23, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    OMG, you all have to read the review for this kids(?) movie:

    http://movies.go.com/mimzy/r858553/family

  79. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 23, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    It appears the Maharishi acquires knowledge from thin air, makes a pronouncement, and the meditators scurry around adjusting their lives to align with the new pronouncement. I remember when he suddenly discovered that good energy comes out of the east, bad energy from other directions, so all the meditators frantically changed their front doors to the east and blocked off all others. I think I remember hearing that nails interrupt good energy or something, too.

    Benefits of Maharishi archetecture:
    http://www.tm.org/explore/vedic_architecture/mgc.html

  80. wonderer in the wilderness said,

    March 23, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Interesting article, Coping With Trance States:

    http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/ryan_patrick_copingwithtrance.htm

    clip

    “Trance states, derealization, dissociation, spaceyness. What are they? What strategies can we use to cope with them? By trance states we mean dissociation, depersonalization, and derealization. In the group we called it spacing out or higher/altered states of consciousness. All humans have some propensity to have moments of dissociation. However, certain practices (meditation, chanting, learned processes of speaking in tongues, prolonged guided imagery, etc.) appear to have ingrained in many former members a reflexive response to involuntarily enter altered states of consciousness. (These altered states are defined fully in The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders [DSM III]).

    Even after leaving the group and ceasing its consciousness altering practices, this habitual, learned response tends to recur under stress. For some former members this can be distressing and affect their functioning. When this happens, it tends to impair one’s concentration, attention, memory, and coping skills.

    Many former members coming from groups practicing prolonged consciousness altering find that the intensity, frequency, and duration of the episodes decrease when they deliberately and consistently use the strategies outlined below.

    It is important to note that when one is tired, ill, or under stress, the feelings of spaceyness, dissociation, depersonalization, and derealization may temporarily return. By developing the ability to immediately label these states and attempting the following strategies, one can return to a consistent state of mental functioning…..”

  81. Avalon said,

    March 23, 2007 at 6:31 pm

    DE, can we use html here for italics and such? If so, with angle brackets or square brackets?

    Here’s a factoid dump I put up on Rigorous Intuition this morning in regard to LilyPatToo’s mention of Walter Breen. It brings in some connections of relevance to the current discussion here.

    http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=9483&start=405

    I want to find out from DE first whether we can use html before putting it up in full here, as that would make it more easily read.

  82. dreamsend said,

    March 23, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    I have no idea about html. I haven’t tried it. I think I will now.

    Here is a link:

    link

    Here’s some italics:

    italics

  83. dreamsend said,

    March 23, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    Looks like it works if you know html but there’s no way to do it automatically. Also, as admin of the site maybe it let’s me and not others…

    It’s a good post at RI though.

  84. WoodyWoodman said,

    March 23, 2007 at 7:00 pm

    Hey 11:11, there’s one for the synchronicity pile. I may have used that phrase “wheels within wheels” as much as once before, in a comment on this blog. As far as I know I made it up in an effort to succinctly express my sense of the complexity of this topic. It came from the mental image of spinning tops that when further examined reveal more spinning tops. Funny.

  85. Avalon said,

    March 23, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    Let me try that now, having looked at the source code (er, not trying to look like I know more than half a dozen html thingies, but at least they are basic ones).

    It presented your italics using em as in emphasis, and with angle brackets. I’ll try that and the more common way. We do too many long quotes here that get confusing without being set apart in some way.

    Let’s see what shows up:

    Italics with em in angle brackets

    Italics with i in angle brackets

    I added some more to my Breen thing at RI that came up in a quick look at Google.

  86. Jim said,

    March 24, 2007 at 9:38 am

    Here in Australia, at least, “wheels within wheels” is a common expression meaning multiple layers of intrigue.

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