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A Brief History of Windows Sidebar

One of the questions we’re often asked here at PDC is, “What is the history of Windows Sidebar?”  The concept behind Microsoft's interpretation of Gadgets for the Windows Desktop has a long history, dating back to Microsoft research projects and prior:

 

Microsoft “Sideshow*” Research Project (2000-2001)

While work started prior, in September 2001, a team of Microsoft researchers published a paper entitled, “Sideshow: Providing peripheral awareness of important information” including findings of their project.  From the abstract:

A fundamental issue with user interfaces is how to help users stay aware of information without being overly intrusive or distracting.  In this paper we describe Sideshow, a peripheral awareness interface designed to help users stay aware of people and information.  We present data from a field trial of Sideshow where several hundred employees within our company used Sideshow over a seven-month period of time.  The data indicate that Sideshow’s design accomplishes the goal of providing awareness of important information without being overly distracting.

The research paper provides screenshots that bear a striking resemblance to the Windows Sidebar.  The paper is a good read for anyone thinking about Gadget development.  For folks who have visited Microsoft campuses, you may recall the posters in elevator hallways and Sidebar running on many employees desktops.  Technically one of the first teams to implement this concept

*Internal code-name, not directly related to the official, “Windows SideShow™” auxiliary display feature in Windows Vista.

 

Microsoft “Longhorn” Alpha Release (2003)

In 2003, Microsoft unveiled a new feature called, “Sidebar” at the Microsoft Professional Developer’s Conference.  This feature took the best concepts from Microsoft Research and applied them to a new platform code-named, “Avalon”, now formally known as Windows Presentation Foundation.  Using WPF, you can build applications with high-fidelity graphics and multimedia, scalable vector-based graphics and hardware acceleration. This was an interesting concept to many developers, however Microsoft listened to feedback from developers that they would like more breadth of support for development platforms such as support for DHTML.

 

Microsoft Windows Vista PDC Release (2005)

While removed from public eye during the Longhorn plan change in 2004, a small team was formed to continue to incubate Windows Sidebar as a concept, dating back to its roots in 2000/2001 as a research exercise. Now Windows Sidebar will be a feature of Windows Vista.  Feedback from customers and hardware industry dynamics are being taken into account, particularly adding support for DHTML-based Gadgets to support a broader range of developer and designer, enhanced security infrastructure, and better support for Widescreen (16:10, 16:9) displays.  Additionally a new feature in Windows Sidebar is support for hosting of Web Gadgets which can be hosted on sites such as Start.com or run locally.  Gadgets that run on the Windows desktop will also be available for Windows XP customers – more details to be shared here in the future.

 

Windows Sidebar will be available to Beta testers around the Windows Vista Beta 2 timeframe (later this year). 

 

So there you have it, a quick backgrounder on Windows Sidebar.  Keep the constructive feedback coming. ;)

 

Ed. Note: Updated the intro sentence based on feedback. The concept of mini-applications has a long history in software dating back to the 1980's and probably before. Good ideas are often interpreted in different ways. As one person noted, MSN Explorer introduced a feature called "MSN My Stuff" in MSN 6 (2001) based in part on the same whitepaper above, renamed "MSN Dashboard" in 2002, a "mini-app" concept which was interpreted much differently from Apple's Dashboard feature. Each has their strengths and audiences. Our goal is to improve on our vision of the concept for Windows and the Web. A good idea is a good idea. Thanks for the feedback- we do listen :).

posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:05 AM by Sean Alexander

 
# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:01 PM

If this question was addressed already, simply don't respond and I'll track it down.

Will ISVs be able to sell gadgets as regular fullblown applications, or are gadgets only to be freeware or accessories to Windows apps/web services?

BB


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:49 PM

Ridiculous. How can you blatently rip off WIDGETS from Apple? Oh, I guess it's been done many times before in the past, so it's not a big thing, right?

Steve Lintelman


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:45 AM

Microsoft can blatantly rip off Apple's Dashboard Widgets just like Apple ripped of Konfabulator (now owned by Yahoo! BTW) Widgets, which are cross platform.

What remains to be seen is will Windows Vista be able to integrate these features into a secure, easy to use platform with a powerful core (Like Mac OS X with aqua and darwin) and win me back over from Mac and Linux.

Nathan Sweeney


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:46 AM

You Microsoft people are really utterly shameless. What a rip-off of Apple's Dashboard Widgets and Konfabulator -- and then you have the audacity to claim that it is part of your own so-called "innovation" dating from Microsoft research (unless of course you meant by "research" that you sent some devs over to the MacBU to check out OS X Tiger). I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the whole Windows OS is simply a poor imitation of the Mac OS anyway. But for all the talk of "innovation" in Redmond, you guys really have no idea at all what that term means or how to be innovative. You are only able to copy innovation. Truly pathetic. No wonder you're getting your clocks cleaned by iPod and iTunes -- which are truly innovative and creative products.

KingBee


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:56 AM

What is it with Microsoft. Innovation does not mean finding even more obvious ways to copy apple. You're operating system is looking more like Aqua every day and now you rip off widgets? The name even sounds like widgets. Windows is gonna get hacked to pieces when you implement this anyway, because you can't build a secure operating system.

Ima Person


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:44 AM

Looks good guys, I especially like the ideas behind sideshow, would love to see the advanced media center remotes that could be developed using this tech. As well as all the other uses that could come out of it.

As for all the negative comments about this copying apple, this was first seen before OS X Tiger. It's just hard luck that Apple has a better time to market than Microsoft has. And "KingBee" should have had a look at Creative and Real before claiming iPod and iTunes are truly innovative.

Keep up the work guys, and make sure that it's secure too.

-R-

Ricky S


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:21 AM

I want your honest opinion on whether you think microsoft is innovating or just copying ideas.

And why would the Microsoft Gadgets be better then widgets in for example Konfabulator or Apple Dashboard?

Apple Dashboard:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/dashboard/ (released recently)

Yahoo Konfabulator:

http://www.konfabulator.com/ (Company that develop this application was recently bought by Yahoo)

Christian Zielinski


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:57 AM

This is so stupid. It's clear as hell you're ripping off Apple and Konfabulator.

t3h


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 6:13 AM

Oh bloody hell. Can you Apple-Fanboys just bugger off, get outside, get some fresh air, heh, get a girlfriend you frigging a**clowns!

Can't do anything here without you Apple-Fanboys ruining everything.

Oh yeah, the person that was posting as "Paul Thurrot", you really need to get a life.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/47720/windowspaulthurrott_47720.html

"I didn't say that. Apparently someone posing as me (but not as dashing, I'm sure) wrote the following comment in Sean Alexander's blog: "Why don't you just call it Windows OS X and be done with it?" I did not write that. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Apple has copied Microsoft with OS X as much as the reverse. Sorry."

Dan C


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:00 AM

I remember using this years ago on KDE, when it was called Karamba. Neat feature for sure. I'll be interested to see what Microsoft does with it.

bj


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:32 AM

Widgets were first developed by Apple in the original Mac OS. Before Windows existed and before Konfab. All Konfab did was take the original idea and improve on it. Apple obviously thought that kind of thing might be useful again and brought it back. But Apple had this in 1984.

Daniel Bentley


# Microsoft Gadgets, Start.com and Innovation
Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:33 AM

Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:48 AM

There is no way on the planet earth that MS created the "widget" idea. In some fashion the original concept goes back to Desk Accessories on Apple's LISA and Macintosh in the early 1980s. If I remember correctly, (duh) Windows didn't exist at the time. Only MS-DOS. Now the updated Widget idea is another Apple idea that MS proclaims is the result of its own innovation. Bah. What nonsense!

jb


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:44 PM

APPLE had "Desktop Accessories" in the original 1984 MacOS, so you Windows fans can stop with the Konfabulator comparisons because they don't fly.

See here:
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt

This is Microsoft ripping off OS X Tiger. Rename "widgets" to "gadgets" and suddenly this is their innovative idea. Funny.

df


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:47 PM

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt

Apple did this in 1984. They reinvented them in Dashboard with widgets, and here comes Microsoft and their "gadgets."

Embarrassing.

TheTRUTH


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:49 PM

Apple had Desktop Accessories in the 1984 MacOS. Back then, MacOS only let you run one app at a time, so Desktop Accessories were implemented as little mini-apps at the device driver level.

Microsoft can shove it. This is just totally blatant of them.

Widgets


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:51 PM

Microsoft's implementation is not only a rip-off of Apple's idea, but it's poorly implemented. I don't want a big, ugly "Sidebar" sucking up space in an operating system that's already sucking up tons of space on the screen.

Apple's Dashboard hides all those widgets, and at the press of a button, they're there, and they can sit anywhere on screen and be any size.

This is just disheartening, that Microsoft would be so obvious with their copying. Steve Jobs was right--"Redmond, start your photocopiers."

Preston


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:53 PM

I don't know if your readers know this, but inside Microsoft, Apple is lovingly referred to by employees as "R&D South."

Now you see why.

Intern


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:55 PM

Did anyone else see what they were trying to do with this "History of Sidebar" post? They were subtly trying to say that Microsoft was working on "gadgets" back in 2001. Of course, we all remember how things really were then, with the "tiles" and crap.

You guys are justifiably getting ripped a new one for this. Apple has Dashboard widgets. Suddenly Microsoft announced "Microsoft Gadgets." Geez, no wonder people hate you.

Haha


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:59 PM

You seem to have forgotten that MSN internet software shipped with a sidebar named Dashboard. This came out in 2001 and IIRC it shipped with XP.

Likewise, Active Desktop supports "items" which are basically gadgets too.

Bgzzy


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:07 PM

Who cares who thought of it first? So what if the eternal genious that is Steve Jobs thought of widgets in 1836? Microsoft IS bringing new innovations to the concept. Besides, like 90% of the Mac platform is copied technology these days anyway. The bus, the memory, the video processors, and soon, the CPUs...ALL COPIED FROM PCs!!! Where's the innovation? MP3 players were around LONG before the iPod. Downloadable music services? Done before. Where's the innovation there?

Oh wait...Apple is taking those things and improving on them with their "5 decades ahead of the competition OS"...so it's okay...right? Well, just sit back and wait, maybe Microsoft will improve upon your beloved widgets, too.

WHOCARES???


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:21 PM

Ok, calm down people. I know you all are really enjoying this troll-a-thon flame war But let me say this...what is the problem with someone taking a good idea and trying to make it better? I think this shallow argument is completely lost on anyone with an actual opinion. If you're a die hard Mac fan and will never own Vista then good for you, enjoy your widgets. But some people, myself included, are intereted to see how others take a concept like "widgets" (or gadgets) and expands on it.

If Ford comes out with a car with a passenger side airbag does that mean that no other car company can benefit from this invention, innovate the concept and install their own version of that product in their cars?

Frankly, the ability to innovate ideas is to draw from what works, build upon it and make it better. Mac may have had a Dashboard in 84 but we're all benefitting from Arlo Rose's Konfabulator creation now. In free enterprise, competition is a good thing and I, for one apparently, am excited to finally see Microsoft bring popular concepts and trends to the forefront of their development roadmaps.

Leon


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:37 PM

I agree with Leon, here. All this back and forth about who thought of it first is completely pointless. As long as Microsoft brings something new and useful to the table, does it matter where the original concept came from?

Some of you seem to think that the definition of innovation is creating something completely new, not resembling anything ever done before. Yes, that falls under the category of innovation, but that kind of innovation only happens, very, very rarely.

Innovation is more often a slow process, that takes ideas, methods, and concepts from previous attempts, learns from what works, and (more importantly) what doesn't, adds some new ideas to the mix, in the end (hopefully), bringing a new, better design to the table.

Are "gadgets" completely different from anything ever done before? Well, no. Does it have the potential to be better than past attempts? Yes. Give it time. Save you judgements until the finished project comes out. Then rate it on it's actual qualities. At this point, we really have no clue how they're going to implement it.

Jonathan


# Sideshow: Providing peripheral awareness of important information
Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:21 PM

Note the title of the MS Research paper: "Sideshow: Providing peripheral awareness of important information". It has nothing to do with gadgets themselves, per say, but the concept of interaction with the user. Peripheral awareness (on the side of your screen) is a lot different than something that sits on your desktop or that you have to explicitly activate (like Dashboard).

PB


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 6:48 PM

http://www.wincustomize.com/articles.aspx?SID=1&AID=86734&c=1
and
http://www.wincustomize.com/articles.aspx?SID=1&AID=86679&c=1

claw


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:37 PM

"As long as Microsoft brings something new and useful to the table, does it matter where the original concept came from? "
I agree, but I fail to see how this is really functionally better than preexisting solutions.

Nick


# Mac freaks took the bait
Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:58 PM

Wow, Microsoft made a brillant move allowing comments on this. It made the Mac Fanatics look like a bunch of uncouth, militant freaks who are afraid of competion. Mac Fanatics may call Windows users sheep but it is truely them that are the sheep. Has any one noticed that anti-Microsoft posts repeat the EXACT same thing. I mean, they all repeat the same "facts", use the same internet links to back up the "facts" and use the same stupid quote "Start your photocopiers." After the 3rd or 4th post, I think we all know what your complaint is. No need to repeat it.

So ironic that they are copying off each other while complaining that Microsoft is copying.

By the way, I do conceed that Microsoft borrow ideas from whoever "invented" widgets/gadgets. However, they are doing new things to it that no one else is doing. I mean, even though someone may have invented the light bulb, it doesn't mean someone can't come along and improve on it.

David


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 1:48 AM

Mac users are so wonderfully myopic. Stealing from Dashboard? Stealing from Konfabulator? You Mac users are just sad. You're so insulated from what's been going on.

I was using Stardock's DesktopX 3 years ago and it was already at version 2 then.

Look at this ss of DesktopX http://www.stardock.com/products/desktopx/dx-feb05.jpg These guys had it first.

Jeff


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 9:01 AM

Wonderful. I think the macheads are ridiculous for being a broken record and those who root for Microsoft are idiotic to look the other way and ignore the false advertising. Look, people make arguments that its fine to borrow ideas—great—but if Microsoft suddenly added a lightbulb to their computer, using the analogy David suggested, they would promote it as their own technology. Imagine: "Microsoft has been working with Lightbulbs in various forms in our research and the technology came from us. Does anyone not find this offensive? While Mac users do become annoying attempting to flex their elitism, Microsoft PR folks and executive board members wish to use their size to bully the rest of the players and write history according to their interests. Does no one else see this as a disgusting problem? How would you like it if suddenly one day, a 7 foot tall 300 lb. man came to your house and said that your college degree was actually his, and that your wife, that too is his? Oh yea, and your job, all these years you have been working, the money you earned, that is his too? Why do people put up with the tactless marketing from Microsoft? Deal with Microsoft on your computers but don't tout it as anything near an innovator or someone looking out for you, the consumer.

RYyan


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 9:47 AM

It seems as if all of the zombies have almost gone (maybe for their daily worship of Steve Jobs?) Anyway, I'm just wondering how well these gadgets will work with widgets\gadgets from other programs, such as DesktopX. Also, will there be any 'ground-breaking' features in these ones that haven't been seen before?

Hengest


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 9:53 AM

According to this post, DesktopX and Microsoft gadgets should interoperate just fine:
http://frogboy.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=86763

claw


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 10:35 AM

can all the apple fan-boys please just take a hike? i think you left enough comments on the first post. you got your point across, now go find something better to do.

Josh Pollard


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 12:00 PM

Well it should come as no surprise to me that microsoft is once again shamelessly copying the ideas of Apple and Konfabulator. Now this doesn't surprise me, as they do it with every new release of their OS (which hasnt it been like 4 years? i think apple has come out with like 2 or 3 since the last release of windows) Now Vista is going to try to look as good as the current Mac OS, and use similar features (gadgets), and to say that this is all innovative? The chances are that at the start of vista, apple will have already or will soon launch a new version of OSX, and once again microsoft will be behind. It would not be as bad if Microsoft did not completely copy Apple, i mean your OS will never look as good as ours or be able to get anywhere near the security of OSX. Most of the windows users i know have serious problems with spyware, adware, and viruses. But i never have to worry about that. So seriously microsoft, get your own ideas and maybe ill be able to stand you

David Muller


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 1:23 PM

Bah, everyone that starts blabbling about "copying", "stealing" or everithing else, doesn't really recognize how technology progress.
Technology is in the air, developed during years, and only in a precise timeframe it hits the consumers.

The concept, is nothing new. So? Where's the problem? Konfabulator did a good work. Apple did a good work. Microsoft I think could do a good work. But no one of these could say a word, in my opinion, about "who invented what".

Now, widgets/gadgets/*dgets are something interesting, worth integration in a desktop ambient.


So, after this prologue I just could do a *constructive* comment: please Microsoft make it compatible with Konfabulator and/or Dashboard. This *will* be a real hit, this *will* have a good point for MS, both from marketing point and reputation point of view.


(sorry for my bad english :P)

Davide 'Folletto'


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 2:20 PM

Wow, This is the most lame thing I have ever seen. Microsoft = copycat. This site is a copy of Apples Widgets, this Gadgets deal is a copy of Widgets, and these lines are the worst I have ever seen:

A Brief History of Windows Sidebar

One of the questions we’re often asked here at PDC is, “What is the history of Windows Sidebar?” The concept of Gadgets for the Windows Desktop is one that has a long lineage, dating back to Microsoft research projects and prior:

I would really suggest removing those lines, because it makes you guys look ridiculous.

Jeff McArthur


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 16, 2005 4:15 PM

This sounds like Xerox all over again. Konfabulator thought of it, Apple made it useful, Microsoft is just playing catch up. Their idea? Yeah, just like Windows 95 came out of thin air...

Steve Jobs is right. Imitation is the best form of flattery.

Ryan


# I love my Wikipedia widget :)
Friday, September 16, 2005 8:30 PM

Who better to ask an opinion about this than my wikipedia widget.

Here is what it has to say about widgets:

"
Alternatively, a widget is a small specialised desktop application that provides easy access to frequently used functions or provides some visual information. Early examples of widgets were desk accessories on Mac OS. Typical widgets include News aggregators, clocks, calculators, calendars, desktop notes and weather forecasts.


Originally, desk accessories were developed to provide a small degree of multitasking, but when real multitasking OSes became available, these were replaced by normal applications. However, the widget model is attractive because of ease of development. Most widgets can be created with a few images and from less than ten to several hundred lines of XML/JavaScript/VBScript, depending on their complexity.

On Windows, support for widgets is mainly provided by Konfabulator, Samurize, DesktopX, Kapsules, AveDesk, and similar widget engines. Native support for widgets is included in Mac OS X v10.4 (via Dashboard). Support for widgets seems to have been removed in the upcoming Windows Vista by the latest developer builds.
"

If it's a good idea, who cares who it belongs to.

Thie Thomsen


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:06 AM

Very fair points made about my first comment- when I said "Gadgets", I was referring to Microsoft Gadgets. The concept has definitely been seen before many times in different interpretations. Our goal is to provide a platform for Web and Windows and we're looking at how devices can play a part in this.

Constructive feedback has been great- and thank you for the comments. You're helping us to make a better product and communicate better. At the end of the day, we wanted to start the conversation rather than develop in a vacuum. I'll update the post.

Sean Alexander


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:45 PM

You HAVE to be kidding me. Have you know shame? I don't understand how any of you can live with yourselves. Microsoft is probably one of the most unoriginal and unimaginative companies in the world.


daryl k pillford


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Saturday, September 17, 2005 2:50 PM

Microsoft NEVER innovated anything. You just take something that's already out there and re-brand it as your idea. The difference is the world is not clueless and uninformed as 20 years ago.

Microsoft is just plain boring.

Heh


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:03 PM

If you have to borrow ideas at least credit the guys who really came up with them.

It's down to honour, that knowledge that who you are and what you stand for is good, Microsoft keeps showing that it has no honour.

Such a shame really.

A-non-i-mouse


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:52 PM

Another Microsoft rip off from someone else's good ideas...
So please, don't say that gadgets are innovative. Do Konfabulator and Apple Widgets tells you something ?

z_e_b_u_l_o_n


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:03 PM

"what is the problem with someone taking a good idea and trying to make it better? "

Why doesn't Microsoft just move to China, where shamelessly stealing IP is encouraged?

I thought MS was supposed to be the world's #1 software maker. Well why don't they start playing the role and stop ripping everyone else off?

teehee


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:23 PM

PLEASE READ MY EMAIL FROM A FEW MONTHS BACK:

From: Paul Kilpatrick
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:00 PM
To: 'press.releases@theregister.co.uk'
Subject: Article 'idea'

Hey guys, I have an 'idea' for a article, its seems a bit strange but your site might be able to accommodate it.
After reading the news that Yahoo have bought Konfabulator (which makes 'widgets' for Mac and windows) and the knowledge of Microsoft's entire history of copying other peoples ideas for all their products, which of most recent and relevant would be desktop search and satellite maps, I thought it could be a opportunity to predict Microsoft's actions on this new product that Apple and Yahoo are using.
Maybe write an article on how Microsoft are so dependant on copying peoples ideas that it is inevitable that they will most likely copy this new idea, put whatever spin you want on it but it would be great to see it on your site. Especially with an 'I told you so' follow up article if/when it does happen!

Regards, Paul Kilpatrick

Paul Kilpatrick


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Monday, September 19, 2005 2:58 AM

Congradulations on Gadgets. A new feature in the continuing line of Microsoft ripoffs of Mac OSX. I can't wait to see what Longhorn will be like. Oh wait, I already know; I have OSX.

Jonathan


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Monday, September 19, 2005 9:55 AM

2 Button Mouse; na,na,na,na,na PFFFFFFTTTTT

DeepICE


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Monday, September 19, 2005 3:40 PM

i can't believe how unoriginal you guys over there at microsoft are. you should try to come up with new ideas, instead of stealing ideas and fooling your clients to think you're innovative. i hope your clients learn how microsoft really is.

oh, incase you don't understand what innovation means...

"the act of making changes; bringing in new things or new ways of doing things. "

go bankrupt already.

jesse steffen


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:27 PM

does anyone out there have apple troll spray, I here them whining

mcepat


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Wednesday, September 21, 2005 2:10 PM

MAC RIP OFF

patric shaw


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:00 PM

If one improves upon an existing idea, you are introducing something new. By the very definition, that is innovation.

I use both MacOSx & Windows. I remember active desktop from the IE4 days. I also have used Samurize, Konfab (on both XP & OSX), & Dashboard. I actually like Konfab quite a bit, and look forward to how MSFT is integrating capabilities to create new gadgets into the design studio.

I'm happy to see MSFT integrating this sort of idea into the capabilities of the OS. I am unfortunately saddened to see the "u suxx0rz m$ft, mac rulz" type comments from Mac fans. It's unfortunate how an intelligent conversation where MSFT is soliciting feedback from customers turns into a pissing match.

Eric


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:04 AM

Another shameless and no doubt shoddy rip-off from M$. If only they would put as much effort into making their stuff work properly as they do into stealing it in the first place.

Waragainstleep


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:16 AM

As I've said before on other posts on theis site, not on this particular page...

Though you seem to be giving credit to "others" who have used the same improvements you talk about here, You still unabashedly use the same intro sentence (I haven't seen it changed - I don't know what intro sentence you are referring to as being changed - but this is by far the worst I've seen): Ever wonder how *new technologies* develop at *Microsoft*.

It's one thing when Apple taunts "Redmond, start your photocopiers" when they introduced their OS. At least we know that there is some truth to that...but to introduce everything here by implying that some geniuses at Microsoft have come up with a new technology? This isn't NEW technology to the world! You lied!

Your credibility is damaged with your introductory sentence. It is misleading.

John Gee

John Gee


# 윈도우 비스타 사이드바 논란
Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:33 PM

마이크로소프트 가젯 블로그에 의하면 PDC 2005 첫날에 소개된 윈도우 비스타 사이드바는 다음과 같은 역사를 가지고 있다고 합니다.

마이크로소프트 "Sidehow" 리서치 프로젝트 (2000-2001)
마이

윈도우 비스타 블로그


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Friday, September 23, 2005 12:38 AM

I have to say frankly that I do not know how you guys are not embarrased. Can you guys, seriously, come up with something that is original? Not to pick on you guys because it is same story with Linux (window managers that look like Windows), but come on....

I feel sory for you guys :P

Carlos Rivera


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Sunday, September 25, 2005 5:07 AM

Microsoft doesn't really know how to copy and steal (not re-invent)! Someone has to train it!

I am not only a Mac user! I am also a Windows user for more than 13 years since the Windows 3.1 .

Lütfi Cem YENER (Turkey)


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:13 AM

Jeez, Mac users are sad. I bet that even if MS did release something *completely* new (a nearly impossible task, has been since the fifties) you guys would moan and compare.

Really, it's about choice and competition. I'd rather have multiple companies developing similar products (competition drops prices and improves services/features) then one developing it and all the rest doing nothing because they're afraid people will pull the "copying card".

But talking about "copying" : check out Mac's latest innovation :P
http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/

Justin


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Monday, October 03, 2005 11:06 AM

Who cares about who thought about it?
It's between apple and konfibulator, what matters is that microsoft saw a great idea and are now going to use it.

I'd lay a bet with anyone there will be more gadgets to download within the first two weeks of launch than apples widgets AND it won't cause your pc to grind to a halt like konfibulator.

Go and edit some pictures apple-heads.

mirsep


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:34 PM

"Who cares about who thought about it?
It's between apple and konfibulator, what matters is that microsoft saw a great idea and are now going to use it. "

Yeah, remember what happened when Microsoft saw other great ideas. MS saw Netscape and we all ended up with IE which lacks important features and security that others have had for a long time and not to mention the nightmare for web developers. They saw ICQ and we ended up with MSN Messenger which is extremely bloated and doesn't run on any other platform other then Windows and an embarrassing Mac client natively. They saw the original Mac OS and came up with Windows 1.0, probably the worst user interface ever conceived. To this day Windows still has an award usability factor to it. Should I go on?

Time and time again Microsoft sees someone else's idea, copies it and thanks to their 86% OS market share forces a worse implementation down everyones throat and technology takes another step backwards. I don't care who thought it up first, I don't care if Microsoft wants to make it better but time has proven that every-time they try, failure results and users on every platform suffer. I personally sick of divided standards and the original innovators being put out of business because of Microsoft's strong arm tactics.

I wish Microsoft luck with "Gadgets" but honestly from what I've seen so far (and I willing to give the benefit of the doubt since it's unfinished) I seriously not impressed. The Gadgets are ugly and are poor implementations of other competing products, it takes up a lot of unnecessary desktop space and they really aren't pushing the concept forward at all. Honestly it looks like a project that was forgotten about during the Longhorn development and was suddenly patched back in. I seriously hope that the Gadget team rethinks the idea cause it's way off the mark at this point.

dave


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:47 AM

I wonder how all the Mac fanbois reacted when Apple introduced thier new media gui. Where is Apples innovation there microsoft has had a media center for 3 years now and a better one at that. Or how they will react when Apple finally introduces a tablet pc (a decidedly Microsoft product) or if Apple decides to use superfetch (mircosft) or if apple decides to intergrate Auxillory displays (also microsoft). Don't you think if Apple had actually invented the idea of Widgets/Gadgets then thier would be some kind of patent? Let's face it Apple is immatates as much if not more than anyone. Their OS was joke until OSX and all they did was pretty up a UNIX BSD build and call it thier own. While I agree, that the microsoft gadgets aren't exactly revolutionary or new, but niether was Mac's widgets, yet steve jobs was claiming they were and of course all the mac zombies agree. YES STEVE WE WILL SHELL OUT MORE MONEY FOR YOUR OVERPRICED COMPUTERS. LAST thing, if your a mac fanboi, WHY ARE YOU EVEN ON A MICROSOFT SIGHT?!?!?! Maybe i am nieve but do microsoft ppl go troll on MAC sigts... I know i don't

Evilsushi


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:07 AM

god!! people are doing this again?

look mac boys, don't you have anything better to do than go around the Internet looking for reasons to martyr apple?

i've always maintained that if you have to try so hard to make people believe in what you're saying, then something must be seriously wrong with your vision.

the same goes for door to door salesmen (yes, including bible salesmen and Jehovah's witnesses).

let the flaming begin!

PaganCrow


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:37 PM

MAC RIP OFF

Frederico


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:15 AM

where can I find moved sheeps fore the desktopx?

DNA


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:39 PM

What's with all the Microsoft monopoly jihadists calling Mac users "freaks"?

Your convicted monopolist felon employer stole an idea from Apple instead of creating something new. No need to bash a competitor, especially since it is the one doing all the heavy thinking for you guys.

anon


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:20 PM

Actually, every single one of you is wrong about who came first. Apple was not the first, as most people know that Konfabulator came before Apples widgets. But LONG before Konfabulator, and were talking years here, was StarDock's DesktopX, and the ability to create "Gadgets" and "Widgets" with it. Gadgets and Widgets, while similar, were actually two conceptually different things with DesktopX. Last I heard, Microsoft is actually working with Stardock to create their Windows Sidebar and gadgets.

So, for all of you Apple fanatics our there who think Apple was original and innovative...wake up and smell reality. Apple stole the idea from people who truely innovated the idea years ago, people with whom Microsoft is now working with to provide gadgets in Vista. Ultimately, neither Apple nor Microsoft innovated anything in this respect.

Jon Rista


# re: A Brief History of Windows Sidebar
Monday, April 03, 2006 11:53 PM

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