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Apple iPhone Now REAL!!! (engadget.com)
1043 points posted 5 months ago by lowtone94

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degustikobashimaru 32 points 5 months ago

It looks really cool (and I hate apple), but getting maps on my phone would be the height of pimpness. I will of course wait a few years, untill a half priced knockoff product comes out that does all the same things. $600 bucks for a contracted phone? I guess i'm not the target demographic.

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hobgobbler 19 points 5 months ago*

It's beautiful but being stuck with Cingular for 2 years isn't going to work for me.

Apple's going to regret that exclusive deal, I think.

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littlegreenfrog 2 points 5 months ago

Nothing's exclusive forever. We'll see the other carriers be supported soon.

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breakfast-pants 24 points 5 months ago

Verizon wouldn't allow it on their networks; or at the least they would make it so the touchscreen was just a giant "GetItNow!" button that couldn't be turned off.

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ranscot 13 points 5 months ago

Well, Cingular helped Apple develop the Visual Voice Mail system, so as long as Cingular keeps supplying great apps, I don't see much regret.

"They are the best and most popular network in the country," said Jobs, adding that Cingular worked with Apple to develop the Visual Voicemail technology -- "the first fruit" of their collaboration, which required the development of technology both for the phone and network.

So if it's "first fruit", I think the trade off is okay to be stuck with Cingular so I know the apps work on their network.

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LisKiller -8 points 5 months ago [comment score below threshold] show comment
anachronic 12 points 5 months ago

the engadget article said the phone would run safari... which leads me to believe that you can get google maps or yahoo maps or whatever kind of maps you want

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kdawg 4 points 5 months ago

well, my phone runs opera.

But it's "optimized for mobile phones" (read: severely limited).

I suspect this will run Mac stuff about like Windows mobile runs windows stuff.

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joshd 2 points 5 months ago*

The Opera mobile browser is a very nice piece of software. It runs on Java (just 64K), so almost any phone can run it. It also compresses images and text through a proxy so that it downloads much faster.

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feanor512 4 points 5 months ago

The browser on current Nokia smartphones also uses the Webkit rendering engine.

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rodbegbie 26 points 5 months ago

You can get Google Maps on most cellphones now. http://google.com/gmm/

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catch23 7 points 5 months ago

Most mp3 players had more features, bigger storage, and stronger market share before the iPod came out...

So I don't think it makes a difference what features current cellphones have right now.

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lenny247 -3 points 5 months ago

what the hell does that mean? "So I don't think it makes a difference what features current cell phones have right now." to declare all other cell-phones and wireless devices and their features to be irrelevant because god /aka Steve Jobs has decided to release a cell-phone is a bit much . . .

there are two main markets in the cell phone space - cheap phones with very few features mainly for the developing world (which is the greatest growth market for wireless) and highly stylized and sophisticated ones for the developed world - Looks like apple has a nice product, but to declare the race over, a bit early for that.

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jokull 5 points 5 months ago

Have you SEEN the iPhone?

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lenny247 2 points 5 months ago

read the comment - I am not even saying other phones are better or not. to proclaim the iPhone greater than all other phones simply because it is an apple was the point "So I don't think it makes a difference what features current cell phones have right now" let me re-state this - the above quote is saying this: IT makes no difference whether current cell phones have better features - ???? how can anybody make that statement? to actually believe that another phone has better features, but decide that the iPhone is supperior simply because of its brand is asinine.

how about you TRY the iPhone, after you're done looking at it, and see if it works for you. I certainly intend to give it a whirl and decide upon my experience rather than a bunch of hype

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stunt_penguin 1 point 5 months ago

Phone companies have been making same-price knockoffs for years, and they've all beeen shit. This phone is going to rock my socks when I get it. It's all been worth the wait to replace my great, but ageing $700 Sony Ericsson P910i

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ArcticCelt 7 points 5 months ago

It looks really cool

Apple presents the "iTricorder" with reprogramable interface!

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DallasRPI 7 points 5 months ago

You can get google maps on the treo currently.

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scylla 5 points 5 months ago

Someone already mentioned the Treo, so I'll just add that Google Maps looks amazing on my Blackberry.

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st_gulik -14 points 5 months ago [comment score below threshold] show comment
gormly 2 points 5 months ago

I sound like Foghorn Leghorn so saying 4 - 5 I saya 3 (pause) 2 - 7 yea boa 9 - 5 doesn't come across very well.

I guess I'm screwed

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itgoesthere 10 points 5 months ago

You go from saying that their voice recognition software had better be awesome, to jumping to the point of calling it "pretty and useless." Way to give them a chance.

I have my reservations about the device, but Apple consistently stays out of markets until they know that they can enter with the best device available. I'll wait until June to make decisions.

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tjogin 0 points 5 months ago

That's the sort of quick dismissal that the iPod first met too. It seems history is repeating itself.

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feanor512 -1 points 5 months ago

typing on my phone is impossible now.

FTFY

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pixelgrunt 1 point 5 months ago

I also have my reservations about the screen and scratching/wear, but I'll wait and see. Maybe a thin plastic protective film will work- maybe not.

You'll be able to load all of your warez mp3's- I mean, all of the mp3's you legally ripped from your purchased CDs on the iPhone through iTunes w/o paying anything. Just like you can do with an iPod today. There's no exclusive rule that you must only load iTunes music on an iPod/iPhone. That's ingnorance.

And using Jobs' name in the same sentence with Bush/Cheney is a new low for internet arguments.

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ab3nnion 1 point 5 months ago*

I know that, but I said no subscription service, like Rhapsody, Napster, Yahoo Unlimited, etc. Think of it this way, for $15 or so, I have access to the entire Rhapsody library. With iTunes or CDs that will buy me 1 to 1.5 albums a month, which is puney.

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feanor512 3 points 5 months ago

I will of course wait a few years, untill a half priced knockoff product comes out that does all the same things.

My $300 Windows Mobile phone does that already...

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gormly 0 points 5 months ago

Yea, but nobody cares about our superior Windows Phones anymore (if they ever did)

Does all that and a bag of chips

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neoform -1 points 5 months ago

With the same ease of use, no doubt.

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PhilK 21 points 5 months ago

8GB is a little disappointing, as is the lack of 3G (not that prevalent anyway)...but other than that it's the most beautiful device I've ever seen and I want one now :(

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catch23 7 points 5 months ago

I think wifi will probably be more prevalent than 3G anyway. I can pretty much find a free wifi joint on every block in my city. Plus not everyone wants to pay steep fees for 3G access, but anyone can get wifi just about everywhere.

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stunt_penguin 13 points 5 months ago

Dude, steep doesn't even begin to describe 3G data prices in Europe. When I hear 3G mentioned my balls shrink up into my body and I die a little inside.

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feanor512 3 points 5 months ago

That doesn't make any sense. With the greater population density, it should be cheaper for European providers to offer 3G.

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GuyWithLag 6 points 5 months ago

Never underestimate corporate greed. Admitedly, the spectrum auctions were a stupid idea, what with the ridiculous price inflation and all.

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acrophobia 4 points 5 months ago

Admitedly, the spectrum auctions were a stupid idea, what with the ridiculous price inflation and all.

The price they set now is whatever price they decide will maximize revenue, and this will be true independently of what they happened to pay for this right a few years ago.

Suppose they come to the decision that $1/MB is the revenue maximizing price they should charge. It would be irrational for them to charge either more or less than that based on some other expense they might have incurred along the way.

If they had ended up paying less for the spectrum, prices would remain the same, but the companies would make more profit.

Suppose, rather than having an auction, the government set a fixed price, presumably lower than the auction ended up at. How would the government distinguish between the various companies wanting to buy the spectrum at the same low price? Presumably by who bribed the best and who made the most convincing empty platitudes.

Taking the auction route removed this source of corruption, and provided more money for government to spend on health care and so on. Companies that completely mis-estimated the value of 3G spectrum just want to find someone to blame for their own stupidity.

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writetoalok 3 points 5 months ago

I sadly concur. I used data just once for half an MB and got a £5 ($10) bill for it. On the contrary my ISP charges remain the same £10 per month for many Gigabytes of downloads.

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cach-e 2 points 5 months ago

Hm, where was this? I live in Sweden and I pay about $14 dollar / 10 MB for my data-traffic, and very little for calls and sms (free within the same operator). If I wanted I could go for flat-rate for $70 month covering calls, sms and data.

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writetoalok 1 point 5 months ago

UK (see £5 & £10 in note above?). The operator was Orange, but others cost the same for ad hoc data usage on the cell. But I was pleasantly surprised that now the rates have come down.

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cach-e 1 point 5 months ago

I've made the mistake of assuming people's nationality based on currency before, and don't do it anymore. :-)

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feanor512 3 points 5 months ago

I think wifi will probably be more prevalent than 3G anyway.

For me it's the opposite. I have EDGE coverage everywhere, but sparse wifi coverage.

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PhilK 3 points 5 months ago

I don't even live in a 3G coverage area, just seems like a 600$ phone should have UMTS support. To be fair 300-400$ phones should have Wifi too (I'm eyeing you...Blackjack, 8525, 3125, Treo, Blackberry).

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uwstevo 45 points 5 months ago

if Jobs made v1.0 flawless, how would he get your money again on the 6-12month upgraded version?

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koan 18 points 5 months ago

...why, they'd make it flawless... umm... er. flawlesser. yeah.

...launching in june? hmmm... i'm betting they let the iphone ride out until xmas, but introduce a higher capacity regular-assed ipod around september with touchscreen capabilities and battery life, etc...

...then, next january, some self-fellatio about how well the iphone's done and stuff before announcing higher capacity iphone with better battery life and a couple trinkets added on here or there. iphone 1.5... followed up by v 2.0 in september of '08.

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muaddib420 5 points 5 months ago

heaven forbid a company trying to make a product better/less expensive!! they should just make one perfect product and be done with it.

/end sarcasm.

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neoform 4 points 5 months ago

did you notice a huge difference between 4G iPods and 5G iPods? Yet... what's this? sales are strong anyway?

All they've have to do is increase the flash card size and people would buy more.

Apple wont charge for software updates on their phones..... obviously.

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fnord123 5 points 5 months ago

If it's going to play movies, there's a huge difference.

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Random 1 point 5 months ago

Not sure if that is accurate. Can you think of a case where, when going for the big wow, he didn't go for the 'biggest' wow? Sure, product upgrades are sales strategies, but this is a HUGE release.

Read about his behavior before the Mac release. He pushes people past the limit. I suspect there is a real reason for the 8Gb pricepoint. Like usability tests.

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feanor512 1 point 5 months ago*

as is the lack of 3G (not that prevalent anyway)

I thought Cingular had rolled out HSDPA nationwide...

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PhilK 1 point 5 months ago

Nationwide means big cities, and to be fair they've done an ok job at that, but anywhere outside a major population center and you're out of luck.

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feanor512 2 points 5 months ago

I would think that people living in urban and suburban areas would be large target demographic for a $600 phone.

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hllclmbr 5 points 5 months ago

8GB because that is the biggest flash memory currently available (see Nano).

You think there's room for a hard drive in there?

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digital 25 points 5 months ago*

This is going to get super-scratched when everyone puts it in their pocket with their keys. Also tons of fingerprints as well. But it is a cool device as long as you protect it well.

Cingular 2/year contract with a $599 price tag? Not so hot.

On a side note, I'm surprised that Steve Jobs didn't wear black.

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PhilK 15 points 5 months ago

Dude, keys in one pocket, delicate devices in another. This has been the case with everything from the iPod to the Zune to the original Nokia candybars. Screens get scratched.

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digital 9 points 5 months ago

Yes, for people like us that care, but for most they get scratched.

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Random 8 points 5 months ago

Isn't that a little like saying 'my car sucks because I don't look after it and so there is something wrong with the design?' Sure, some people are like that, but that doesn't say much about the product does it?

OTOH, I've always been a fan of clamshell designs but things are getting too big for that these days...

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harbinjer 2 points 5 months ago

But a car needs to be able to stand up to road hazards. We're not going to only drive it on the test track. So salt, sand, pebbles, snow and rain shouldn't cause major problems.

The video screen on a video player is a MAJOR component, and scratching that is a BIG problem.

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hirschhorn 1 point 5 months ago

Noone's ever invented a thin film that can be laid over the screen, then removed and replaced? (Like the "get your oil changed" reminders for windshields)

Hell, they make a coating like that you can get laid on the front of your car.

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Random 1 point 5 months ago

You can buy these for PDAs and laptops here in Canada, they come in packs of 10 or so at Staples and are reasonably transparent. And reasonably cheap. But they significantly change the 'cool look' of shininess of the device.

I've used them on stylus machines. Might not work with Apple's sensitive touch interface...

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Random 1 point 5 months ago

Right, but in that case the car's durability success or failure is materially related to those hazards. Apple may be saying 'having sharp keys in your pocket is NOT materially part of fitness.'

Take the extension of the argument. If it has to resist coins, then keys? If keys, then the outside rim of a swiss army knife? A pebble containing quartz?

Many materials will fail the swiss army knife test, and virtually all affordable ones are going to fail the hardness 7 Quartz test.

I'm not disagreeing with your overall argument, but at some point a person will scratch one of these with one of those... I happen to carry a knife and coins and a key and often a few other goodies and it would be a tough phone indeed that could take that. I have my ipod in a rubber case with a lens cover that is ablative. It is scratched, but... so be it. I can replace the cover for a few dollars. And it sure beats having to be paranoid careful with the device.

See, regardless of what we WANT in a design, we are limited by the engineering properties of materials.

I'd love to hear about a material that makes a good screen protection cover that will resist quartz; perhaps one exists I haven't heard of.

Again, that's why I like the clamshell 'concept.'

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ceeam 1 point 5 months ago

Yeah, bro! And it does not even have beer-opener. WTF?!

[burp]

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digital 3 points 5 months ago*

True, the lighting in the Engadget article makes his shirt look Burgundy.

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danlock2 2 points 5 months ago

He ALWAYS wears black to keynotes.

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Raoulmeister 2 points 5 months ago

Come on - I have the same issue with all my cell phones. Keys in Right pocket phone in left pocket.

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hobgobbler -6 points 5 months ago [comment score below threshold] show comment
casanova_voltaire 6 points 5 months ago

So, who's at the other end of 408 718 3881 ?

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friscobob 11 points 5 months ago

Jonathan Ive, according to the Engadget blog.

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sosuke 5 points 5 months ago

281-330-8004

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Hubso 18 points 5 months ago

Yo' mama.

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casanova_voltaire -12 points 5 months ago [comment score below threshold] show comment
feijai 2 points 5 months ago*

All in all an extraordinarily disappointing keynote.

  • No small notebook (a gaping hole left by the departure of the 12").
  • No mention of Leopard
  • No new Leopard UI -- essentially no response to Vista
  • No long-needed updates to servers or standalones
  • No updates to iLife

What did we get? Expensive vaporware that will cost $700, partly folded into a required contract. Not available for another six months at the earliest. Oh, and iTV, already announced earlier. That was it.

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corwin 14 points 5 months ago*

You're kidding, right?

  • Small notebook - look at the Macbook (I'm typing on one).
  • odd, but unless there's something significant to say, not surprising.
  • Why should Apple respond to Vista? First off, you don't start doing major mods to the UI of an OS late in the cycle, second... Apple take UI cues from Microsoft? Riiight.
  • Again, odd, but really... do you think most people would have been riveted by these announcements?
  • Ditto

Keynotes that are mostly updates to existing stuff are disappointing - not ones where Apple enters completely new market with a radically better product.

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feijai 12 points 5 months ago

You're comparing the Macbook to the 12"? No, seriously. Have you ever used a 12"? It's almost 2" narrower and a half pound lighter. Apple has no lightweight laptop right now. In fact, the MacBook is rather bigger than the iBook it replaced.

And Apple's been working on Leopard, overlapped with other releases, for years. Who said UI and OS would be last-minute? Do you have no memory of how Aqua was introduced? A hint: at MacWorld Expo, just before OS X 10.0 was released. No one had ever seen it before. This is standard for Apple.

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weegee 4 points 5 months ago*

I replaced my 3 year old Powerbook G4 12" 1ghz with a new black MacBook 2ghz Core 2 Duo. I am loving the larger screen, the glossy finish does look better than the matte. I love the Intel processor and have a Windows XP partition installed. I love the cooler operation, my hands got so hot on that 12" powerbook. Has much better wireless range. And I don't see this as that much larger or heavier than the 12" it replaced. Certainly the positives outweigh any negatives for me. Watching a movie on the MacBook is way nicer than the small screen on the 12" powerbook. Not to mention 720p HD movie trailers look gorgeous on this screen.

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corwin 0 points 5 months ago*

Yes I have. 8oz is insignificant as a weight difference... I mean really, you can't carry a whole 8 extra ounces??? And yes the 12" is very small... also only 1024x768 and hard to work on if you have larger hands.

All that said, I get the desire for a rev of the 12" - but my point was two-fold:

1) there is something that is significantly smaller than the 15" MB Pro so it's not as if you don't have any options

and

2) to call a keynote disappointing because it wasn't full of updates is a misunderstanding of how these events are used... this is an event that Apple wants to use to get buzz around what they're doing, not an event to announce a slew of relatively minor updates.

Should they do all of the stuff you called out? Yeah.. But it's not just about what you or I want... it's about what's good for Apple and going forward, a successful iPhone will ave a far bigger impact than a small MB Pro

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foxyvixen 3 points 5 months ago

8oz is insignificant

Not true at all for a device you would want to carry all the time.

Listen, I have an older 12" iBook, and that's still too heavy to carry around with you. I think a real ultraportable would sell really, really well.

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mikepurvis 3 points 5 months ago

You may be interested in this. (Apple isn't, particularly...)

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foxyvixen -1 points 5 months ago

8oz is insignificant

Not true at all for a device you would want to carry all the time.

Listen, I have an older 12" iBook, and that's still too heavy to carry around with you. I think a real ultraportable would sell really, really well.

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anachronic 3 points 5 months ago

I agree it was a little disappointing, but don't forget that Apple is a relatively small company... they're probably devoting quite a sizable chunk of resources to iPhone and iTV... you can't expect them to revolutionize the industry with every keynote ;-)

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bhr 24 points 5 months ago

Seriously, I'm no Apple fanboy, but the guy showed a device that can significanly change video distribution and a device that might change mobile apps and has a totall new UI to boot - and you're disappointed about "no updates to iLife"?

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feijai -11 points 5 months ago* [comment score below threshold] show comment
corwin 10 points 5 months ago

Did you catch the name changes? No longer Apple Computer Inc., but Apple Inc. Computers are not their core competency, only one of them and a fairly mature one at that.

That the iPhone won't exist for months isnt important... This builds buzz - and again, note that they have to file with the FCC to get this approved... Steve could have done this and gotten the inevitable splash, or let it leak out when they file for FCC approval. Guess which is better for Apple?

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bhr 8 points 5 months ago

Apple's core competency (computers) hasn't had a major update in a long time

You don't count moving to Intel processors a major update?

And I don't think they consider computers their core competency. Dropping "Computer" from their name hints to that. IMHO their core competency currently is user experience. They took their approach from PCs to MP3 players and now they're taking it to mobile data devices.

The iPhone is too expensive and may well fail

Maybe, maybe not. My personal interest isn't Apple's earnings, but technology and UIs. In that sense, the iPhone is a significant step, whether it fails or not.

putting all of its new-release eggs in one basket

I'd say sticking with PCs alone would be putting their eggs in one basket.

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dasil003 2 points 5 months ago

No one said Apple stopped working on those things. Steve just didn't talk about them at this keynote. The iPhone announcement is huge and they were right not to dilute it. Just because it doesn't interest you doesn't it make it any less huge. Trust me, this is the most important keynote in a long long time.

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nas 6 points 5 months ago

The guy who designed the TouchStream keyboard went to work for Apple. I'm pretty sure this is what he was working on. I wish I could still by a TouchStream keyboard for a reasonable price.

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lief79 2 points 5 months ago

What is your source? I was wondering what happened to Wayne Westerman? I had him as a professor and use to see him regularly swing dancing.

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lief79 3 points 5 months ago*

Googled the answer myself. Good for him.

http://www.google.com/search?q=wayne+westerman+apple&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Update (before going back to work):

Think I saw some apple code from Wayne Westerman dated from 2002 to 2004, why do we think it's the same guy?

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t_w 2 points 5 months ago

As I type this from my touchstream I wish the same thing...because if it breaks I'll lose my mind.

Hopefully this will just be the beginning of seeing fingerworks tech in apple products.

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koan 6 points 5 months ago

...i'm wanting to see what they do as far as cell phone games now. i mean. this thing is a monster, so it should be able to handle some complex-ish games. jaysis.

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Notclevr 6 points 5 months ago

Yeah, why doesn't Nintendo just put a phone in the DS Lite?

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LaurieCheers 4 points 5 months ago

Awesome. They definitely should.

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theCore 2 points 5 months ago

iPhone features the most revolutionary user interface since the mouse. It’s an entirely new interface based on a large multi-touch display and innovative new software that lets you control everything using only your fingers...

My intuition tells me that's related to this cool technology and this patent.

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seraskywalker 14 points 5 months ago

Now theres another thing that I dream of at nights but know I could never afford without selling my family..

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connor 19 points 5 months ago

How much for the little girl? How much for the women?

Your women. I want to buy your women. The little girl, your daughters... sell them to me. Sell me your children.

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SoPoOneO 4 points 5 months ago

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