Glock kB! FAQ v1.35
Annotations regarding catastrophic failures in Glock pistols
Accurate Arms' most recent reloading guide contains the following statement regarding .40 S&W pistols and supported/unsupported cases:
"In recent years it has become very apparent that there exists a situation regarding some pistols chambered for the .40 S&W cartridge. Some of the pistols currently available to shooters may not provide complete support to the case when a cartridge is chambered.Hodgdon followed suit:
Warning: This data is intended for use in firearms with barrels which fully support the cartridge in the chamber. Use of this data in firearms which do not fully support the cartridge may result in bulged cases, ruptured cases, case head separation, or other condition which may result in damage to the firearm and/or result in injury or death of the shooter and/or bystanders.Again, no names are mentioned, but the implication is clear that they're talkin' "Glock."
(See also Letters and this June 2006 report of a catastrophic Model 30 failure from Germany.)
Another source has identified VihtaVuori N350 as a potential problem. As a rule, you should always track lot numbers of your propellants, and when using a new lot (or to be even safer, a new canister), you should back off the power of your loads and slowly increase them until you have verified the safety of the new lot.
Federal .40 S&W rounds which may contain suspect casings may be identified as follows:
t/gunwriter Walt Rauch who first brought forth information that bullet set-back1 (such as often occurs in administrative unloading/loading) in the .40 S&W could raise pressures exponentially:
"This was first confirmed via a European cartridge maker (Hirtenberger in Austria) from information given to me by a high level Glock representative. 1/10" set back can cause pressures to double from 35,000 psi to 70,000 psi.Excerpt of a 2 October 2000 response to Lt. Clyde Wason, Brea (CA) Police Department Rangemaster, by Sgt. Dean Caputo, Firearms Training Unit Rangemaster, Arcadia (CA) Police Department. Lt. Wason had requested information on the useful service life of duty ammunition.
"I found that the duty ammo took quite a beating in 6 months. Also just about every ammo manufacturer will tell you that the ammo is only rated for two (2) times through a semi-auto pistol (chambering/extracting), and both Winchester and Federal as recently as two months ago confirmed this again. After two times bullet set-back could start.Rauch published some specific information on this set-back issue in the May/June 2004 Police and Security News, in a feature entitled "Why Guns Blow Up!":
One last cause of "blowups:" The simple chambering and rechambering of a cartridge does push the bullet back into its case. Hirtenberg Ammunition Company of Austria (at the request of GLOCK, Inc.) determined that, with a .40 caliber cartridge, pushing the bullet back into the case 1/10 of an inch doubled the chamber pressure. This is higher than a proof load. This "push back" can occur with but one chambering since it is dependent on how well the case was crimped or sealed to the bullet. How many of us regularly chamber and rechamber the first two rounds of our carry loads? (Also, this chambering and ejecting chews up the case rim, which can cause a malfunction. If you are limited to how much ammo you are issued, after cycling the first two rounds a few times, strip the magazine and load these two rounds first so they are the last up in the stick.)
Following that, a series of LE Glock-certified armorers tested a number of their service issue Models 19, and discovered some which were capable of firing at 0.125" (one-eight of an inch) or more out of battery... if you were in a John Farnam course with a 1911A1 pistol, and during his pre-flight armorer's test the hammer dropped with the slide cracked open an eighth of an inch, then Farnam would tell the student "go home and get another gun, fella, 'cause this one's unsafe on the line!"
I recently bought a BarSto aftermarket barrel for a Glock 20 and made the following measurements:
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Warning from Accurate Arms
Concerning the internal dimensions and configurations of centerfire metallic calibers, especially semi-auto pistols.
This warning is not aimed at specific weapons, but any weapon with the conditions or dimensions as described below. Accurate Arms did not compile special data for any weapon.
It is extremely important to note that due to aftermarket modifications and for certain factory produced semi-auto pistols, some pistols have chamber configurations that do not fully support the chambered cartridge case.
This modification is incorporated to aid in the reliable feeding of the round from the magazine. Although this practice is acceptable with some calibers such as the 45 ACP which generate relatively low pressures, this kind of incomplete support can be a real problem with high performance calibers such as the 9mm x 19P, 38 Super, 40 S&W, and 10 MM Auto calibers. Although it might also be acceptable for first fired conditions such as factory ammunition or new unused cases, a potential hazardous condition can be created when cases are reloaded for the second or subsequent time. Whenever a deformed case results after firing (eg. a bulged or "pregnant" shape from the base of the main body towards one third to half of the case body), it is a sure sign that the case is not fully supported. Although this bulged part is reformed during resizing, the case strength could be weakened. The problem occurs when this part of the weakened case again lines up with the modified part of the chamber. This will then cause the case to fail and the gasses to be ejected into the internal cavity of the weapon.
The loading data published by Accurate Arms was developed in our ballistic laboratory in accordance with SAAMI test methods and equipment and does not exceed Maximum Average Pressure recommended by SAAMI. This information is safe for use in firearms which provide complete support of the case. Failure to fully support the case with cartridges of such intensity may result in bulged cases, ruptured cases, separated case heads or other consequences with may result in destruction / damage to the firearm and / or injury or death to the shooter and / or bystanders. This can happen no matter who's propellant is used.
We recommend that if you own a firearm where the chamber does not fully support the chambered round and is producing the above mentioned symptoms, you contact the manufacturer to determine if the case is fully supported, or have a competent gunsmith examine the firearm and determine the amount of support provided the case.
If your firearm does not provide complete support for the case, please take extreme care and refrain from reloading cases.
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Last Revised: 12/17/2006
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