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Note to CSI — Don't Do It

You know the feeling. The signs are everywhere. There's a huge mistake on the horizon. Everyone sees it coming. Well, almost everyone....

"We're going to see more of Grissom and Sara, which was hugely embraced by the audience last year," CBS president Nina Tassler says. "You will definitely see that relationship evolve."

One of the most popular themes of jumping the shark is when two main characters get together and the sexual tension disappears. There are countless examples, such as:

Maddie and David on Moonlighting
Sam and Diane on Cheers
Niles and Daphne on Frasier

At the site (http://www.jumptheshark.com) we call this "They Did It." And now Gil Grissom and Sara Sidle are about to follow in Tony Micelli and Angela Bower's footsteps.

Do you know any CSI fans? Of course you do, it's been a top-rated show for years. Can you recall one person who thought last season's final scene implying that these two had hooked up was a good idea? Me neither.

Take a deep breath, though: History is on our side. The CSI scribes have steered us through sparks between Warrick and Catherine, Nick's bad mustache, not to mention Plushies and Furries and a few visits from Lady Heather. Even the spin-offs in Miami and New York have done no harm to the Vegas crew.

But with Grey's Anatomy moving in on Thursdays, the CBS suits might feel the show should head down a more romantic path. They're already saying CSI is the underdog to ABC's medical juggernaut. And now Ms. Tassler tells us that Gil and Sara's relationship will evolve. Hmmmm.

Grissom says "I tend not to believe people; they lie. The evidence never lies."

Let's stick to the evidence, and hope that any sex on CSI remains within the case files, and far away from the Criminalstics Division.


Posted by Jon Hein
Jul 16, 2006 1:33 PM
"I'm all for the writers stirring things up in Vegas, but not for something that isn't true to what CSI has always been about...the cases."

If people just tuned in for the cases then Miami and New York would be as big, or forensic files for that matter. Most fans I know love the characters and want to know more about them inside and outside of the office.
Posted by tiffanyashland
Jul 20, 2006 6:01 PM
"That being said, one of the things I like about this show is that we don't have to worry about any of the characters ruining another by sleeping with them."

I find it funny that you make this statement and then talk about watching Grey's, since no one is sleeping around there -note the sarcasm-
Posted by tiffanyashland
Jul 20, 2006 6:08 PM
I find it funny that you make this statement and then talk about watching Grey's, since no one is sleeping around there -note the sarcasm-
Posted by: tiffanyashland 07/20/2006 6:08 PM


Very good!]:)
Posted by magicbox
Jul 20, 2006 6:37 PM
"That being said, one of the things I like about this show is that we don't have to worry about any of the characters ruining another by sleeping with them."

I find it funny that you make this statement and then talk about watching Grey's, since no one is sleeping around there -note the sarcasm-


But I expect that with Grey's, not with CSI.
Posted by akp0466
Jul 20, 2006 9:11 PM
Ultimately CSI lives or fails on how well its episodes satisfy all the fans. Based on how season 6 went, I'm not hopeful.

They started the season with promise of followup on Nick's abduction only to drop it cold in January.

Too many episodes featured too many secondary and uninteresting lab characters or special guest stars causing the younger three male CSI's (Warrick, Greg, and Nick) to be assigned two minutes of screen time each as if they were one character.

They set up the near death of Brass in Bang Bang only to drop that great story for two of the most boring cases in CSI's history in the finale and then they tack the GSR reveal on the end making the whole thing about Sara & Grissom when it should have been about Brass.



The powers that be at CSI have to remember that they have viewers who are fans of everything but GSR or fans of one of the other characters. The slightest imbalance toward featuring the GSR ship over other characters and aspects of the show will turn fans off. And if the stories are bad or boring, they'll turn the channel or turn off the TV. I know I will.
Posted by jalola
Jul 20, 2006 10:26 PM
To spend six seasons getting to know Grissom as a highly ethical professional. Then to find out all along that he has all along been an unethical hypocrit. He has now broken one major dept. policy by sleeping with a subordinate. How many others has he broken? But no lets blame it on a midlife crisis. Please.
How many times has he gotten on Nick, Catherine, Warrick, or even Greg about bringing their personal lives into cases, and claiming that the integrity of the lab comes first. Yet he poops where he eats. Every case he and Sara have worked on together is now fodder for any good defense attorney. I still want to know where Grissom showers in his glass house.
I for one will not watch the down fall of this character.
What choice do the writers have. They either kill him off or he gets fired. Either way there will be no return of Grissom.
And in reference to the Grey's and the characters sleeping with each other. That is what you expect when you watch that type of show. Which I find rather entertaining. No wonder it has gotten 11 emmy noms this year.
Posted by debgal
Jul 20, 2006 10:37 PM
I am welcoming the idea of Grissom and Sara, and other relationships on the show. CSI Writers are in my opinion the smartest in televsion and I don't beleive they will drown us with sappy crap. I do however hope that we get a closer look at the characters whom I have come to adore in the last six years.

And for as many fans of CSI who just enjoy the science, I promise there are two more who watch it for Grissom and Sara... beleive me, you people have no clue the power of that fanbase.

I also think Greys Anatomy is trendy and that next year it will be a similiar situation as desperate Housewives... How can TVGuide slight CSI for bringing to characters into a romantic relationship and then honor Greys Annatomy who has a different relationship every week? I don't understand.
Posted by GUAG
Jul 20, 2006 10:58 PM
I can't believe what I'm reading! LOL Sara and Grissom NO sexual chemistry? Jumping the Shark? Lady Heather is a better match for Grissom? Have you guys been watching the same show as I've been watching? They've only been angsting over each other for 6 Seasons. As to Grissom, pooping where he works as someone put it, Grissom has covered for his team on many occassions. The irony that people seem to fail to see is that Grissom, for all his scientific studies, is actually VERY human when it comes to how he treats his team. As to him doing Sara's reviews? LOL I'm laughing here. Sorry. You guys think
that two people in love, two people who've strived to overcome obstacles to be together are going to sit and say 'oh sorry, I'm going to let the rest of my life be dictated be a yearly review. See ya." LOL Doubtful. Grissom could teach. Sara could work in another lab. I guess for those of you who don't get it, there's no explaining it. 'This' love affair which Grissom didn't know what to do about has now blossomed. I for one, cannot WAIT for Season 7. I don't believe for one second that Grissom and Sara will dominate the storylines. Anyone who watches CSI knows that no one storyline dominates. Why is everybody freaking out? The writers seem to get it - they understand that to keep Grissom focused only on work would be ridiculous. Everyone grows and reaches out. It's like the people writing on this blog are all very infantile when it comes to emotions and the idea that emotional/spiritual growth occurs. And not in 3 episodes with Lady Heather. More like in 6 Seasons with Sara constantly showing him that to feel is OK. Sara/Grissom is so awesome. Grissom has a life. He's happy now. I happen to think Sara's very beautiful as well. She's got a calm grace about her lately. Wonder why? Duh! The few people who are yapping about CSI so negatively should just stop watching. There still be like 29,990,000 viewers to enjoy the show. And again, the final scene was 58 seconds. Wow! I think people need to get a grip here.
Posted by Lauren10277
Jul 21, 2006 1:04 AM
Oh and may I remind people that Sofia was working FOR Grissom when they were supposedly going to get together and LH was part of an investigation! Really, I'm not seeing the logic here with all the but Sara/Grissom work together!! arguments. You'll would like to see Grissom sleep with anyone and everyone but Sara. That's not rational thinking if you ask me because it's been clear since Season 1 that Sara is the one he loves. The one that makes him unable to form sentences or leave a crime scene for 24 hours straight because a victim resembles Sara. Again, are you guys watching the show I've been watching? It's looooove baby. Live with it.
Posted by Lauren10277
Jul 21, 2006 1:33 AM
I liked the idea of the Lady Heather/Grissom relationship, mostly because of the freak value. Grissom is an odd guy and she has a strange line of work - together they might have made a good fit. I'm not excited about the Sara/Grissom relationship, mostly because I find Sara's character so flat and unappealing.(Not to mention he's hooking up with someone he supervises.) What's for Gil to like about Sara other than she has a crush on him? I have always imagined him dating someone more complicated - either a Lady Heather type, or as a fun twist - a total June Cleaver! It would be so fun to see him go home to the cute house with the white picket fence and the wife in her apron and pearls waiting at the door for him.

Does anyone know the "real" reason for George Eads pornstache? I keep hoping it was for another role somewhere and he wasn't really wearing it as a fashion statement. It looked comical instead of attractive. He kept reminding me of Snidley Whiplash, the villain from the cartoon "Rocky and Bullwinkle."

UPDATE:
Just found this pornstache explanation:
"I grew a horrible moustache," the actor said. "I quit smokin' and you get pretty wound up wanting a cigarette, you know, you just want to pick a fight. I guess I grew the moustache sayin', 'Bring it on man'."

Wow. I can't believe TPTB let him wear it just because he was going through a "phase." It was totally distracting to the episodes.
Posted by Kailess
Jul 21, 2006 9:11 AM
I do not watch Grey's since soap is not my thing. A boss who sleeps with a subordinate is lying and stealing as everytime he evaluates her on a case by case basis and on the annual (Money involved here folks) review he is committing fraud and theft of resources.

Maybe since I am not a fan of the ytdaw drivel I have not had the explanations of the so called chemistry between Gil and Sara rammed down my throat. According to an interview the queen of sullen herself, Jorja Fox stated that she and Petersen did not like each other. Chemistry - not one bit, and for the record the only chemistry he has with Catherine is the sort shared by close friends and is not sexual either. Lady Heather was fun the first two times and then became a tired prop the third time around.

You have to wonder how many of the people who overlook the professional ethics murder actually do not mind the idea of working with the boss's bimbo or want bang their own boss themselves? Probably not many since professional incest is really only acceptable in small mom and pop companies where it is pretty much a necessity and not in larger companies or government agencies.
Posted by daniac
Jul 21, 2006 10:18 AM
Daniac,

I would like to see that interview... because if you head on over to CSIFiles, you'll find a slew of articles that confirm just how much peterson and fox enjoy working with each other and how each of them have pushed for Sara and Grissom since day one.

that said.... People crying about the subordinate thing is annoying. It happens on every other show but because its CSI and because its Grissom its supposedly gonna kill the show. Hes human, and probobly half of this season is going to be dealing with the consequences of dating a subordinate... nice arch there, heres hoping TPTB remember with continuity is.

LH should be in prison for attempted murder...
Posted by GUAG
Jul 21, 2006 12:29 PM
Guag – You are correct in asking as I should have performed due diligence and read the article myself and not trusted the information of another poster. JF states that they did not like each other in the past but now do: www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4197/2

When trying to find that article I found in interview she did with Ausiello, who is a bigger fan than Roush of the whole Sara – Gil storyline, where she figures they had been beating the horse for six years. http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049&start=45

I will stick by my belief that this is character assassination, as for 6 years the showrunners have been pushing how ethical Gil is. Yes, absolutely he is human. He did not fire Sara or Catherine for insubordination when both clearly deserved it (if not a firing than an unpaid suspension that lasted a long time), he did not fire Warrick over the gambling, suspend Nick for discussing a case with a civilian, and he passed Greg when he should have failed. All of these things make the character human - hell even his interaction with Lady Heather in the third sweeps stunt with her (something they really should have skipped as the episode was almost as bad as the rapper fiasco.) I know that nothing I say here matters as people will like what they like and TPTB will always go for the sex angle no matter what the show or network is.
Posted by daniac
Jul 21, 2006 5:34 PM
I've read the article about the beating a dead horse, I beleive its also the one where JF requested a boyfriend and they told her no, and she took it to mean they were FINALLY going to do something about Gil and Sara.

It will be a difference of opinion... Its been six years and I am tired of watching these characters analyze evidence (cept for greg, cuz he is new and cute)... but i love this show and these people and its not necessarily the sex I want to watch as much as it the interaction of the other characters. And I mean that across the bored, from Warrick and Nick, to Catherine and Sara, to Doc and Grissom... and I happen to feel the chemistry is strongest in Grissom and Sara... (please, please tell me you have seen Unfriendly skies, and sex lies and larvae)

And about the ethics.... I think thats what makes this whole thing such a great idea.. because it does go against Grissom character and we are gonna get to watch the whole thing unfold... probobly one of the most complex characters in televison is literally going to unravel in front of eyes... I'm looking forward to it, and hoping for a happy ending.
Posted by GUAG
Jul 21, 2006 10:14 PM
What happy ending are you foreseeing? I know. Sara gets pregnant. Hey that would be a novel idea. Like that has never been done. Then they could develop a soccer dad story line for him also. OOOH must see TV.
Posted by debgal
Jul 22, 2006 12:00 AM
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