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Harry Potter and the Fire breathing Fundamentalists
By Jerry Bowyer
Thursday, August 2, 2007
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SPOILER ALERT: This article discusses the Harry Potter book series and contains spoilers including the ending of the final book just released in bookstores.  Do NOT read if you do not want to know how the Harry Potter series ends.

KKLA is the largest Christian talk radio station in America. I hold a dubious record there – I am responsible for causing the largest number of complaint calls the station had ever gotten in a single day. The topic? Harry Potter.

This image supplied by Scholastic shows the cover of the U.S. edition of the highly anticipated "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Harry Potter charmed millions of readers this weekend, but the spell was broken at least briefly for some fans when they found pages missing from their precious copies of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows." (AP Photo/Scholastic, HO)

The Bowyers love Harry Potter: the novels, the movies, the video games, the midnight bookseller parties, we’re game for any of it. It didn’t start that way; ten years ago my mother wanted to give Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone to one of my girls as a Christmas gift. “No way,” I said. “We don’t do witches and wizards here.”

A couple of years later my mother-in-law asked the same question. By then I’d become a little less rock-ribbed and quite a bit more disillusioned with the religious right wing of the conservative movement. Gracie loved the books and started sharing the story with me. As I noticed more and more references to classical and medieval literature my guard started to fall.

Eventually I went to see the movie version with my whole family. When I left the theatre, I knew two things: first, that I had been an ignorant blow-hard. This wasn’t Wiccan propaganda: it was standard-issue fairy tale magic like Cinderella and The Wizard of Oz. Second, that Joanne Rowling had spent a great deal of time immersed in The Greats – the long line of literary masterpieces that range from The Lord of the Rings and Narnia back through Dickens, Austen, Shakespeare, the Arthurian Legends, the Church Fathers, the Scriptures themselves, and into the best of the pre-Christian Greek classics. In other words, Rowling was one of us.

Not long after that, I got to know John Granger and his book, The Key to Harry Potter, and I knew that I was not alone.

So I shared what I had learned with the radio audience. Harry is a lot of things. He’s a little bit Prince Harry forced to grow into the great warrior Henry V. He’s a lot more of the young Arthur, taken from his family at a young age, forced to live under the neglectful care of an inferior family, kept in the shadows of a bullying older adopted brother and unaware of his great origins. Eventually he is mentored by a great wizard (for young Wart, that’s Merlin; for Harry, it’s Dumbledore – a member of the Order of Merlin). Both lead quests to find a cup. Both (spoiler alert here- and from now on) end up procuring a great sword out of a lake in order to proceed with the quest.

I’m afraid the Arthur stuff doesn’t do much for many American evangelicals, though. It’s a little too British for Americans, plus it smells suspiciously Roman Catholic to a lot of Evangelicals. While I got lots of appreciative remarks, I didn’t make much headway with the fire breathers.

Next I tried the more recognizable Christian material. In Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets, Harry confronts Voldemort (whose name means “will to death”) by traveling down into a great cavern where he slays a serpent to win an (eventual) bride. He fatally wounds the serpent in the head. He’s rescued by a bird who descends upon him and the bride, a kind of bird whose “tears have healing powers, and who are able to bear immense loads.” The bird bears them up out of the cavern. “There, how’s that?” I thought. The problem is that very few Christians seem to be aware of descendit ad infernum, the descent into hell. Don’t the schools teach Dante? Don’t the Churches teach the Apostle’s Creed? Well, as a matter of fact, no, they generally do not. The Proto Evangelium, the first gospel in which God told Adam and Eve that He would send Someone who would rescue their descendents by crushing the head of the serpent doesn’t seem to get a lot of play either.

I could go on for page after page: snippets from ancient hymns and creeds for instance. The most powerful spell in Harry’s world is the Patronus, in which the wizard forcefully says “Expecto Patronum”. That’s Christian Latin for “I look for the Savior”. Expecto is used in the Nicene Creed, and Patronum is used in the medieval Dies Irae as the Savior that we look for in the day of judgment. Harry uses the spell when ghastly evil spiritual beings called DEMENtors (caps mine) attack him and another innocent man near a lake. A stag (which just happens to function as a common Christ figure in medieval art) walks across the water dispelling the vile soul-destroying creatures. What’s it take, a 2 by 4 across the forehead? This is Christian stuff!

Well, the 2 by 4 has arrived and it’s called Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. In it, Harry learns that the evil Voldemort has broken his soul into shards and used those shards to possess certain objects. These are called Horcruxes. One of them is a ring (Lord of the Rings fans should find this a little familiar) and as long as the object is not destroyed the ‘Dark Lord’ cannot be destroyed either. Well it turns out that one of those soul shards in imbedded in a scar in Harry’s forehead and Harry comes to understand that the only way the evil can be destroyed is for Harry to willingly give up his life. In order to save his friends at Hogwarts School (which we learn in book 7 reminds Harry of a church) and particularly his friend Hagrid (whose name is suspiciously similar to Hagioi, which is Greek for Saints) he must allow himself to be killed by the dark lord. He makes a long walk through a wood in which he stumbles (Via Dolorosa, anyone?) all the while being encouraged by a vision of his deceased mother Lily.

This might be a good time to tell you that the Lily is often used as a symbol for Mary, the mother of Jesus, in medieval literature. I have an album in my musical collection of exceptionally beautiful hymns about Jesus and Mary, called The Lily and the Lamb. Harry goes ‘as a sheep to the shearer’ to Voldemort, where he is killed. There he meets his old mentor Dumbledore (old English for bumblebee, a medieval symbol for wisdom based on Psalm 119). While Dumbledore explains it all, the great white cloud in which Harry finds himself begins to take the shape of a familiar train station. The station’s name is King’s Cross, which is also the title of that particular chapter of the book. Harry is given the choice of going ‘on’ or going back to save his people. Harry goes back and finds that since he willingly gave his life for the people of Hogwarts, Voldemort’s curses no longer bind them. Voldemort, then, is destroyed (by his own hand in an attempt to kill Harry again) and the various races and houses of Hogwarts celebrate in a great feast, in which they ignore the walls and divisions which had theretofore separated them.

Since this book has been published I have not seen a single apology to JK Rowling from any of the various fundamentalist bashers. She’d been accused of atheism (she’s an Anglican) and of being a witch (she knows nothing at all about the occult or Wicca).

Why no apologies to the lady? First, it’s always tough to say you’re sorry. But deeper than that, I think the problem is that so much of the religious right failed to see the Christianity in the Potter novels because it knows so little Christianity itself. Yes, there are a few ‘memory verses’ from Saint Paul, and various evangelical habits like the ‘sinner’s prayer’ and the alter call. However the gospel stories themselves, the various metaphors and figures of the Law and the Prophets, and their echoes down through the past two millennia of Christian literature and art are largely unknown to vast swaths of American Christendom, including its leaders.

Seven years ago, Joanne Rowling was asked whether she is a Christian. Her answer:

“Yes I am. Which seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I thought there was no God. Every time I’ve been asked if I believe in God, I’ve said yes, because I do, but no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that, and I have to say that does suit me, because if I talk too freely about that I think the intelligent reader, whether 10 or 60, will be able to guess what’s coming in the books.”

For once, I disagree with her: I don’t think they would have guessed the ending. Most of them can’t recognize the ending of the story even after it’s been told.

Oh, I almost forgot the radio station. Terry Fahy, the General Manager of KKLA, told me that he’d like to have me on the station again. So, you see, there are signs of hope after all.

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resolute writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 12:44 AM
Meaning of "Voldemort"
I've read that "Voldemort" means "flight from death", from the French. It fits better than "will to death" (Fr: volonte'), given his wish to obtain immortality. A key wish in the human psyche, as we learn from Genesis 2.

JKR apparently had some work involving French translation at some point in her early career.
gwco2skeptic writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 2:10 AM
Christ pops up in the strangest places
Thank you for your wonderful insights into the Harry Potter series.

I have been surprised quite a few times at how the Christian message shows up in pop culture. In particular, the Disney films "Beauty and the Beast" and "Hercules" had a powerful impact on me.

In "Beauty and the Beast", the scene where the Beast becomes human evokes a sense of becoming "a new creation". I was not surprised to learn that the animator of that scene was a Christian and had the Scripture about becoming a new creation in Christ taped to his drawing board.

"Hercules" completely shocked me. I was expecting paganism, and instead I find Hercules (man-god, Son of Zeus) sacrificing himself to pay for someone else's sin, then ressurected and restored to glory. I was moved to tears. I do not know if the allusion was deliberate, but it certainly was effective for me.

Since the death and ressurection of Christ is the central event of all human existence, any story that contains an allusion to it will resonate in the hearts of men. It is the ultimate archetype.
Meoilman writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 6:41 AM
Good vs Evil
I am a Christian and I have not read any of the books but have seen all the movies. My grown children have all read the books. To me, the Harry Potter series is the classic battle of Good vs Evil and we see time and again that Good triumphs over Evil (as it should be). In my opinion, there is no problem with parents letting their age appropriate children read the books or see the movies as long as the parents make sure the children understand the books (movies) are only stories and nothing more.
AudiR10 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 7:35 AM
The benefits of a classical education
Since the Hippies and the tradesmen have done all they could to demean and dispel the value of a classical education, it is rare that one finds anyone who has even read the classical stories to which you allude -- and since Vatican II there are precious few who have ever heard a Latin Mass, much less understood it. (Besides missing the classical allusions and some great Latin puns in Harry Potter, this makes it impossible for them to appreciate the Haydn Harmoniemesse). People who won't read anything they can't finish in the bathroom stall know nothing at all about back stories and underlying messages and the way literature shared fits us for life regardless of where we may end up. The original purpose of a classical education was to fit oneself for living -- not to teach one to earn a living. To be able to sit around a table at a restaurant in England with people from ten different countries and have a common understanding from which to converse is the true value of my classical education. Oh, and it helps me understand not only Harry Potter, but Ayn Rand. I enjoy the Harry Potter books because I have a classical education and Church Latin. Others jeer him because they do not. How intriguing.
Andy writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 7:36 AM
Theology, Newspapers and Mirrors...
Bravo! Excellent article. I would like to point out Rowling is a social justice advocate on many fronts. She has stood her ground on several issues as a member of society and as a Christian. That said, one of the twentieth century's greatest Christian minds, Karl Barth held that a Christian should carry the Bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other. You must be aware of social injustice in order to fight evil of your own time, just as Barth stood with other Christians to fight Hitler. There is glaring evil like awful crimes then there is cloaked and festering evil that isn't as easily seen. Barth and his companions saw Hitler as evil before much of the rest world did.

Rowling, herself, seem to hold similar views because over and over where does she send Harry, Hermione, and cast to view their world so that they get to see the evil in it? The Daily Prophet, of course. She tells her reader that the world will show you where the evil lurks if you only open your eyes. Not the glaring evil of crimes while that is there and in full view but the kind that must be rooted out because it is veiled. Funny how the Christian right would have us to believe JK is evil, but like your article stated Harry Potter isn't evil. Perhaps Joanne's use of mirror means the Right Wing needs to take a serious look at itself?
Anna writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 8:48 AM
Snow White
Speaking of fairy tales that have strong allusions, I'm not the teary sort but always tear up at the end of Disney's Snow White where the prince (Christ) raises Snow White (the believer or the church) from the death of sin's spell and takes her away to a beautiful home in heaven.
My family and I have made a habit of making Sunday a very special day of the week wherein we do more than the ordinary amount of focusing on our Savior. On Sunday, July 22nd, I spent all afternoon and evening reading aloud Deathly Hallows to my husband and children. It was a very special Sunday indeed.
Mother of 4 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 9:13 AM
Completely Compatible, part 1
I have said from the beginning that the Harry Potter books were completely compatible with my Conservative, Evangelical Christian values. The magic is just fancy-dress. The thrust of the story has always been 100% sound.

Each character must, individually, make the choice between Good and Evil. People from good homes may choose Evil. People from bad homes may choose Good. Voldemort's childhood was dreadful, but so was Harry's and, as was finally revealed in full, so was Snape's -- it was Tom Riddle's choice that turned him to the dark and Harry's and Snape's choices that turned them to the light.

Good is not presented as all sweetness and light. The path of Good is -- as is consistent with scripture -- narrow, rocky, and difficult to walk. Those who walk it suffer losses along the way. They stumble, but they hold fast to their goal and are supported by the power of love.

Evil is not trivialized by being made either pathetic or silly. Voldemort's murder of Cedric at the end of The Goblet of Fire is shocking in its callousness – one of a number of incidents that lead many to complain that the books are too dark. But that murder, committed merely because Cedric was in the way, is the perfect revelation of the nature of Evil as utterly self-centered and without interest in or compassion for other human beings. It shows the destruction of evil in emptiness of Voldemort's soul because he doesn't even have enough humanity left to be sadistic.

Repentance for wrongdoing is acceptable. Those who stray can return, pay the price, and be welcomed back into the fold.

Both words and actions show that, for those on the side of Good, death is not the worst thing. The virtues of bravery, selflessness, the defense of the innocent, and doing right simply because it is right are continually promoted and praised.

The meek and the misfit are accepted. The main characters’ changing attitudes toward Neville, Luna, and the house elves is an important sub-theme.

Mother of 4 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 9:13 AM
Completely Compatible, Part 2
But, first and foremost, is the awesome power of love -- especially the ultimate, sacrificial love of a death willingly accepted as the price of another's life. What could be more Christlike? Especially as this is always phrased in terms of protection given by the blood?

Harry even echoes Christ's experience of being abandoned by God as he hung on the cross -- "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" -- in that he goes to his death believing that his father-figure, Dumbledore, never really loved him as Harry-the-person but only cared for and nurtured Harry-the-destined-sacrifice. And, like Christ, this does not shake Harry’s willingness to lay down his life as the instrument of his world's deliverance through the sacrificial surrender to death.

All in all, Rowling's Harry Potter story is more akin to "The Pilgrim's Progress" than to the tales of occult darkness like Pullman's "His Dark Materials" which the Evangelicals rightly condemn.

May God grant that, like healing medication hidden in a sweet treat to make it palatable to a recalcitrant child, this story shall lead its readers out of darkness and into the light.
AudiR10 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 9:31 AM
Mother of 4
Thank you for that blessed insight. It was beautifully said.
Steve B writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 9:47 AM
Classics in the Bible belt

Reminds me of the time a classics professor here in Oklahoma told me how disappointed he was to move to the 'buckle of the Bible belt' and find how few people had actually read it.
Wilson54 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 10:12 AM
Classical References
My family and I have enjoyed the Harry Potter series as well. We are Christians but can appreciate good literature and Rowling's writing is very well done. We discuss the story with our children(all are teenagers by the way) and they understand that we don't accept witchcraft and magic because the Bible does condemn such things. The fantasy content of the books is just the atmosphere JK uses to present this Good vs. Evil saga. I myself enjoy the many references to classical literature. Maybe the Harry Potter series will encourage families to learn more about the classics. However in a nation where many people think New Mexico is a foreign country and most kids probably can't find California on a map I am not very hopeful.
jono64a writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 10:52 AM
JKR belongs to the Church of Scotland
vespanat writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 11:13 AM
The Very Fact..
..that this subject is debated I find amusing if a tad worrying. All this talk whether these books are suitable or not veers a little too close to Islamac medievalism for my liking though without the barbarism thankfully.
I've never read any Harry Potter books so shouldn't really comment but I'm sure there is nothing contained within that could be construed as too offensive to anyone but the most restricted of thought.
However JK Rowling was a single mother on welfare when she wrote the first novel apparently. I'm sure that could irk some on these pages!!!!
Gretchen writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 11:32 AM
Those who condemn "Harry Potter"

...would probably burn Glinda(in "The Wizard of OZ") at the stake -- she was a witch after all!
Gestell writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 11:42 AM
It's about time
This is a wonderful column. I'd noticed a lot of the things Mr. Bowyer mentions in the Harry Potter books, but not all of the allusions mentioned. I find many Christian conservatives to be biblical and spiritual illiterates, and am pleased to see that the responses to the column show evidence that maybe there is some hope for intelligent appreciation of this outstanding fantasy.
Kelly Stratton writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 11:44 AM
very persuasive
i agree and im a Christian. i've read all the books and loved them i also noticed the Bible themes! and i noticed while i was reading the passage, that some of the points you made about the books being moral dumbledore himself said - It takes courage to stand up to your enemies, but just as much to stand up to your friends. and you did a wonerful job "standing up to your friends!"
Bucko writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 11:51 AM
"However JK Rowling was a single mother"
Oh! And I suppose that translates to "mother of bastards", without any further comment? If all her children were born in wedlock, I see no need for the "single mother" distinction other than you used it as a diminishing comment. As for welfare, if she was feeding her kids, that's what it's for. Now she's worth more than any one who posts on this website and she's brought back the joys of reading to young people that the teachers unions could never do. Give the envy a rest!

"I've never read any Harry Potter books so shouldn't really comment..."

No you really shouldn't. But you did. Take your own counsel.
Mother of 4 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 12:19 PM
vespanat and Gretchen,
I respect the reservations of the Christians who do not accept Harry Potter. I believe that they are wrong in their interpretation, but I understand their reasoning and respect that they have legitimate, scripturally sound backing for those opinions.

Its one of those issues covered by Paul's letter to the Corinthians in the discussion of meat sacrificed to idols. There are legitimate reasons to justify eating meat that was sacrificed to idols -- "So about the eating of meat sacrificed to idols: we know that "there is no idol in the world," and that "there is no God but one." 5 Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist."

And there are legitimate reasons to avoid eating meat sacrificed to idols -- "But not all have this knowledge. There are some who have been so used to idolatry up until now that, when they eat meat sacrificed to idols, their conscience, which is weak, is defiled."

To use an example from the book -- Dumbledore knew himself well enough to refuse the temptations of power. Those who cannot read a fantasy story about magic without experiencing a sense of separation from God do well to avoid these books. Those who are drawn closer to God by a story of good vs. evil and the power of sacrificial love do well to read them. Neither should mock or condemn the other.
bporter writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 12:30 PM
Unintended consequences
I have seen the four Harry Potter movies that have been released to DVD and have found them to be quite entertaining. They certainly contain a lot of positive themes that Christians, and others that hold high moral standards, can appreciate.

However, I warn of the unintended consequences of holding up people who practice wizadry and witchcraft as an exemplar of "good". Despite the fact that it clearly wasn't the author's intentions, there is no denying that there has been a spike in the interest in Wicca and Witchcraft as a result of these books.

How we respond to this fact is what is important. Do we criticize the books and the author? No. Do we criticize parents who let their children read the books and watch the movies? No. Do we present, in a God-like fashion, the dangers of taking this book literally? Yes. Do we confront, with love and concern, our friends and neighbors that have chosen to get involved in Wicca and Witchcraft as a result? Absolutely.

We should be careful of reacting too extremely in either direction. To claim that those expressing concern are reactionary or irrational is avoiding the fact that the popularity of Harry Potter has brought on some unfortunate consequences.

Some have mentioned that God works in mysterious ways, but so does Satan. He will find any method he can to infect humankind with doubt about the Truth.
daddy o writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 12:59 PM
We know how it is
Quote from th earticle:
Seven years ago, Joanne Rowling was asked whether she is a Christian. Her answer:

“YES I AM. WHICH SEEMS TO OFFEND THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT FAR WORSE THAN IF I SAID I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO GOD. Every time I’ve been asked if I believe in God, I’ve said yes, because I do, but no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that, and I have to say that does suit me, because if I talk too freely about that I think the intelligent reader, whether 10 or 60, will be able to guess what’s coming in the books.”

We Mormons know exactly what JK Rowlings is talking about.

daddy o writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 1:03 PM
We know how it is
Quote from the article:
Seven years ago, Joanne Rowling was asked whether she is a Christian. Her answer:

“YES I AM. WHICH SEEMS TO OFFEND THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT FAR WORSE THAN IF I SAID I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO GOD. Every time I’ve been asked if I believe in God, I’ve said yes, because I do, but no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that, and I have to say that does suit me, because if I talk too freely about that I think the intelligent reader, whether 10 or 60, will be able to guess what’s coming in the books.”

We Mormons know exactly what JK Rowlings is talking about.

$ writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 1:50 PM
So at what point do you all stop listening to the groupthink faction and its propaganda and finally start thinking for yourselves?

coolmom9 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 1:52 PM
Thank you so much for expressing so eloquently my feelings for the Potter books! I did not have a classical education. But you can see God all through them! How blind we christians have become.

Somehow, no one could ever explain the difference to me between Gandalf and Dumbledore.....major hypocrisy!

Again, Thanks!!
Mother of 4 writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 1:57 PM
I'd say that the main difference is that Dumbledore has more of a sense of humor. He dares to be silly while Gandalf is always careful of his dignity.

Otherwise, ...

Gestell writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 2:46 PM
reply to Bucko
I think the point about J.K. Rowling being a single mother was intended to make us remember that conservatives are frequently highly critical and hostile to single mothers, regarding them (and the welfare benefits) they may consume as a blight on the face of a decent society. In a truly Christian society, all marriages would be permanent, and any that did not work must simply be endured (at any cost) by those who suffer in them, because it's clear that's what God requires. As for welfare, none should be available in a conservative society, unless it's in the form of charity. So Ms. Rowling stands condemned on two counts.
IGoCommando writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 6:06 PM
Yes, we conservatives are just so quick to condemn a woman who accepted govt. help while desperately trying to create a better life for herself and her family.

Do some really think conservatives are that heartless?

I think the majority of us are disgusted by how some are just more than happy to have us; who produce something, subsidize their entire existence from cradle to grave. Basically leading a leach's existence for all time. That is what a conservative can not tolerate.

I don't think you're going to find too many conservatives finding fault in those that accept help wherever they can get it while they pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

It must be hard to stay in the lines when painting with such a broad brush.
4Freedom writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 6:25 PM
Caricaturizing evangelicals
Boyers’ problem starts with the political lie that there is something called “religious right.” The term “religious right” is a political invention by those who hates biblical values and want to smear and trash biblical Christianity. There is not such thing as “religious right.” Second, Boyers think that Christians MUST read or watch Harry Potter or they will be “ theologically or biblically” ignorant. That is an incredible claim given the fact that the apostles said that the only way to reach a perfect knowledge of God is by the knowledge and the reading of the Scriptures along with a devotional life of prayer.

The truth of the matter is that, Boyers ignore the real message of the gospel in the bible. Paul in his letter to the Christians in Rome said: “do not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” Rom. 12:2.

As in Rome, Christians in America are battling against a culture that is increasingly hostile to the biblical faith of the apostles. Paul is telling to the saints in Rome that they must not follow the current practices of Rome culture, which at that time was not different from us: increasing immorality: homosexuality, sexual perversion, infanticide, and the practice of occultism and witchcraft. On the contrary, Paul said that we, the saints in Christ, must continually change our way of thinking so as to understand the will of God, which is good, acceptable and completely perfect. In other words, once a believer in Christ knows the will of God, then he or she is absolute complete and lacks nothing. How then Boyers can say that Christians “failed to see the Christianity in the Potter novels because it knows so little Christianity itself”?.

Boyers article is pure propaganda and evangelical bashing.
Wysman writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 8:47 PM
It's Amazing...
... what passes for "Christianity" and "Christian" today in society's never ceases to amaze.

Another fine article in the fashion of the Emergent Church.
Wysman writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 8:51 PM
... I would think that it's a very safe statement to suggest that if the Potter series has done one or the other to the greater extent;

either fostered dabbling with the occult in some way, shape, or fashion, regardless of how seemingly harmless, or brought people closer to faith in Jesus Christ as to whom he really is, that it is hardly the latter.
Gestell writes: Thursday, August, 02, 2007 10:34 PM
reply to IGoCommando
You ask:
"Do some really think conservatives are that heartless?" Absolutely I do; I see such sentiments every day from TH readers. If conservatives had their way, there would be no public assistance (welfare) of any kind. That should be abundantly clear.

Now my point is that this is perfectly okay, and indeed required by genuine conservatism. Genuine conservatism is opposed to the liberal concept of a "compassionate" government. That's why I knew Bush's "compassionate conservatism" was pure vapor (as many conservatives now acknowledge). The conservative understanding of the proper role of government has no room for "welfare." People like George Will tried to sell the idea of the "conservative welfare state" many years ago, but even Will no longer says such nonsense.

My interest is in doctrinal quality control for conservatives; I want you folks to get some consistency in your beliefs. Historically, conservatism arose against the idea of a government that could provide extensive services to its population. It should still stand for that set of values. So, no sympathy for that welfare parasite, J.K. Rowling, no matter how desperate her situation might have been. After all, most single moms on welfare will turn into major novelists and make a billion or so in sales, if they just suffer enough hardship. They call this pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, and it's genuine conservatism.
Chuck writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 7:43 AM
Behind the Scenes
When Harry Potter books first came out, I viewed a JK Rowling web site to read why she wrote the “Harry Potter” series, and saw something that was shockingly profane and blasphemous, and deleted it instantly to minimize the visual memory. I regret that I didn’t save the text and weblink for objective evidence that I read this. Recently I looked for the website but couldn’t find it. But even though I can’t prove it, I still vividly remember reading it.

To introduce my observation, the popular religious painting of Jesus by Michelangelo is wrong for four reasons: (1) No one knows what Jesus or any other Bible character looked like, so any painting of Him is a lie. (2) Making and admiring “any likeness of things in heaven and earth” are disobedience to the 2nd Commandment (Exodus 20:4-5). (3) Jesus wasn’t a woman or a Nazarite, so He didn’t have long hair (Num 6:2-5, I Cor 11:14-15). (4) Michelangelo was a homosexual, dishonestly attempting to portray Jesus as gay or transsexual.

After reading the equivalent of several pages of her reasons why she wrote those books, Rowling revealed her prophecy (possibly representing the false notion in her form of witchcraft), that at the end of time satin would be their eternal god and Jesus would bow down and worship him. Then, at the bottom of the page there was a false portrayal of the devil standing naked, and a false portrayal of Jesus kneeling directly in front of him...

While this is absolutely disgusting to even think about, and homosexuality may not have been explicitly referred to in any of her books, I believe it is important for people to realize what is going on behind the scenes of this supposedly childlike, entertaining “Harry Potter” fiction.

I recommend that people stop wasting their time reading fiction (lies) for entertainment, and that parents teach their children by good example to spend more time reading wholesome non-fiction with literary value (including the Bible) for education.
formerly known as gee writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 11:39 AM
I'm trying to say this gently, but perhaps the reason you can't find the "profane" satanist stuff you saw on Rowling's website is because you're out of your mind?

By the way, you say that Rowling "revealed her prophecy (possibly representing the false notion in her form of witchcraft), that at the end of time satin [sic] would be their eternal god and Jesus would bow down . . ."

That is pretty strange . . . I always assumed that silk would reign supreme over satin at the end of all things . . .
Greg writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 11:52 AM
What is your final authority
Just because christian terminology is used doesn't mean it's ok. Look at the Old Testiment on God's attitudes towards this Potter stuff. Look at the New Testiment recounting of Paul's dealing with the occult. Where your logic and feeling disagree with that King James 1611 Bible you lose. Call upon the name of the Lord and thou shalt be saved--hope you've done it.
formerly known as gee writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 12:35 PM
So Greg,
are you saying that a Christian person shouldn't send their child to Hogwart's, not just because it's overseas, but because it's evil . . .

Look, I can read books about Jason Bourne or James Bond and not take up "secret agent" double-naught syping as a hobby. I can also read a fantasy book about a kid at a school for wizards and not take up necromancy as a hobby as well. There's a not-so-famous movie line that says "you can stick a feather in your a$$, it doesn't make you a chicken."

As for God not approving of this "Potter stuff", from my reading of the Bible God approves of very little in the way of fun. Heck, I imagine God frowns on Harlequin romances also, so why doesn't the church say something about the reading choices of the ladies in the church?

I suppose that like the previous poster named Chuck, you recommend only reading wholesome non-fiction like the Bible . . . folks like you just can't live and let live. You have to keep preaching until everyone is living the same drab, boring, Wednesday night prayer meeting existence that you're comfortable with.
Gretchen writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 2:00 PM

The Church of England is publishing a guide to using the Harry Potter books to spread the Chriatian message.
Greg writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 2:31 PM
What is your final authority
Have you called upon the name of Jesus to save you--it is a gift--no earning it. If so you're saved. If not, everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Apart from the Cross there is no hope. My feelings are as irrelevant as yours when they deviate from this truth.
formerly known as gee writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 2:48 PM
You are an example of what drives me crazy about "churchy" types. I grew up in a fundamentalist home and attended a very rigid private religious college, so I think I have a little experience with this.

You wrote in regards to salvation that " . . .everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Apart from the Cross there is no hope."

Well there you have it then. If we're not reading the Bible or discussing how to be born again there's no reason to devote any time to anything else. Why listen to a piano concerto by Mozart--no salvation there. Why read a fiction book that entertains--not gonna get me to heaven. Why discuss politics, art, home design, landscaping, etc., etc. . . none of it deals with salvation.

I suppose that's why I'm probably going to hell. I just can't imagine that God put me on this earth to spend my days in sackcloth, on my knees, fasting and praying, and reassuring the creator of the universe that "yes, you're powerful, great and worthy of praise and I'm, well, not . . ."

I suppose a sense of whimsy is of the devil?
Greg writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 2:53 PM
To Gee
Just call on Jesus to save you. There is a devil and he does not have your best interest at heart. Your works won't save you. You can live well, give to charities, and fast---however that doesn't get you salvation. You call upon Jesus--that's it--you're saved--it's easy--just ask him now and it's done. Otherwise you are placing your own rightousness above Jesus'--none of can meet that standard.
formerly known as gee writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 3:03 PM
Okay Greg, I get . . . Jesus saves, nothing else, saved by grace not works, understand . . .

What does this have to do with what I asked you? Do you feel there is no value in any activity that isn't directly related to Christian salvation?
Greg writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 3:09 PM
To Gee
Before or after salvation?
formerly known as gee writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 3:17 PM
Greg writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 3:34 PM
To Gee
Two things:

- Are you saved--have you asked Jesus to save you?

- To answer your question:
-- After salvation you couldn't go to Hell if you tried--if you live like the Devil the Lord may decide to punish you to get you back on the straight and narrow, he may take your life--but you're going to Glory!
-- Actions (for me) I take directly, indirectly, or not at all impact how well I warn others that they need Salvation--(eg--they are in a house on fire and I need to tell them of the danger)---that is the lense that God filtered my perceptions through. For you--he may do differently--but his plan for anyone will not contridict that Bible.

Mother of 4 writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 5:01 PM
Since you want credentials,

Yes, I am saved. I have a personal relationship with Jesus, I have spoken in tongues and sung in the Spirit.

Christ himself used stories to reach unbelievers. He sent Paul to the Gentiles -- symbolically instructing him in a dream that what had been unclean under the Law could be clean under Grace.

God inspired Paul with the sermon about the Greek's unknown god -- using the Greeks own religious conventions as a mechanism to convey God's truth by meeting them where they were and leading them to where God wanted them to be.

How can you know that God has not inspired Rowling, as he inspired Tolkien and Lewis, to use the conventions of the fantasy genre to meet today's seekers where they are and then lead them to where God wants them to be?

And please, re-read what I said about the issue of meat offered to idols.

If you are weak in the ways that would cause you to easily be led astray by temptations towards witchcraft then I should not tell you to read the books. The strong brother should not lead the weak one to stumble. But neither are the weak to attempt to chain the strong to their weakness either -- for God gives us our strengths to serve the purposes to which he calls us.

My own calling, of which I will not boast, is one that requires much contact and familiarity with the secular world. I have my own weaknesses, but the temptation to attempt to manipulate spiritual forces is not one of them. Those of us strong in this area can eat of this meat to the Glory of God just as those who are weak in this area refrain to the Glory of God.

That which is done to the Glory of God in this fashion is acceptable to God.
Greg writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 5:19 PM
Mother of 4
My most recent comments were in answer to another writer's question.

Paul's use of the Greek's monument to the unknown god as a mechanism to preach Christ is hardly analogus--Harry Potter isn't a religion.
Paul wrote on the subject in Gal. 5:19-21

As to God's view of witches, wizards, and so forth--his Bible is clear--the way he had Israel view the subject in his theocracy leaves no doubt:
Deuteronomy 18:10-14; Lev. 19:26, 31; Lev. 20:6, 27; Exo. 22:18,

I don't seem many fictional characters saying: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (Rom. 3:23) "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." (Psa. 51:5) "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." (John 3:7) "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (I Pet. 1:23)

Careful my Saved Sister with what you dabble
IGoCommando writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 5:36 PM
Since you only partly get it, you're all wrong. Let's say for a second that I was broke and unemployed. I have two choices: Let my family starve, or accept help. Since I am not about to let my son starve, I am going to accept the help. Let's assume that help came from the govt.
You can also assume I am going to work like crazy to improve my family's situation.

If I was going to bash JKR for doing the same thing that I would have done, that would make a me a hyporcite. My guess is that you expect that exact thing from a conservative(with a touch of smugness, I'm sure.)

A real conservative that lives in the real world holds this opinion-- No, the FEDERAL govt. should NOT be in the charity business for the following reasons:

1. It's not a power granted by the Constitution.
2. They really suck at it. If entitlement taxes stayed in our pockets, we argue that businesses would have even more capital to invest in projects and people (i.e. give me a job and avoid being broke to begin with.)
3. Other entities don't suck at charity. With more money in my pocket, the more my church gets to run their charitable programs.
4. The states should have ability to decide if they want to run and fund a welfare program. (According to the Constitution, that's how it supposed to be.) You don't like CA's crushing entitlement programs and taxation? Move to NV.
5. There is absolutely nothing 'compassionate' about giving away money that was never yours to begin with. If Leftists in the govt. were so 'compassionate' about the less fortunate, they would get on the stump and ask for people to give more to churches, the salvation army (I love the piece Stossel did showing how cheap SFers were when it came to so much as dropping a couple of coins in a red bucket,) scholarship funds, etc.
5. Federal welfare has led to the decay of personal responsibility on so many levels.

IGoCommando writes: Friday, August, 03, 2007 5:37 PM
Getell cont.
You've got this misguided picture that conservatives don't care if people die. We do care, and we do want to help (unless you're a leach, but then again help does require the helpee to do something.)

Bad things happen to our fellow man, and we need to be there to help. But, Fed. govt. entitlement has only added to the plight of the less fortunate.
JayHub writes: Saturday, August, 04, 2007 6:34 PM
YeeHaa, I enjoyed the fatwas from 4Freedom and Greg. Lets declare YEEHAAD on Rowling and those other infidels!
medium writes: Saturday, August, 04, 2007 7:31 PM
occult or faith? Part 1
Someone wrote: "either fostered dabbling with the occult in some way, shape, or fashion, regardless of how seemingly harmless, or brought people closer to faith in Jesus Christ as to whom he really is, that it is hardly the latter."

Precisely, why I think it is important for Christians to take responsibility when they have fed into misrepresentation of someone's work. The people who have warped JKR's books to feed into their occult vices are in fact wrong about them (like the 60's w/ Lord of the Rings!). I am finding support for this ALL OVER the communities and blogs since the last book was released. MANY nonChristians absolutely HATE the ending and the triumph of good over evil! Trust me, their practices and views are not a result of reading books like Rowlings, but a godlessness that runs much deeper in our education system, etc. Well-meaning Christians would do better to focus on subversive books pushing atheism (such as Pullman's "The Golden Compass") that sneak in right under our noses. They seem much more innocent than blatant hocus pocus (which by way, incantation is different from invocation~the latter is nowhere in the books) but the ideology is ACTUALLY dangerous...
medium writes: Saturday, August, 04, 2007 7:31 PM
occult or faith? Part 2
...Two points: It is important to understand and expose the author's INTENT in her work (I think many, such as Bowry, are successfully doing this), AND it is important to infuse our young culture with literature that has eternal value. If Christians had recognized good when they saw it (Potter) the world (and pagans such as you say, Wiccans, etc) would have wanted nothing to do with it. As it is, Rowling has managed to smuggle the gospel right into their hands! BRAVO, you should say. Did the witch in the Chronicles of Narnia foster occult dabbling for you, or did Aslan's walk to the slaughter bring you to tears? I think the question lies in the condition of your heart PRIOR to reading the books. Which is why so many kids out there right now either don't understand or are angry with the book's Christian ending! (Check out the forums and see what I mean) Get with the program, it's a question of responsibility. We owe it to these kids to help them understand the truth revealed in these books, and we can only do so by understanding them ourselves! Take back what's yours, I say.

So, thanks Mr. Bowry!
D R writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 12:04 AM
Gee asked:

“Do you feel there is no value in any activity that isn't directly related to Christian salvation?”

While the Bible warns against certain behaviors (sins) (Galatians 5:19-21, Proverbs 6:16-19), there is no prohibition against doing things which make life enjoyable. Christians should, however, be cognizant of the manner in which they choose their enjoyment.

Mother of 4 said:

“Christ himself used stories to reach unbelievers. He sent Paul to the Gentiles -- symbolically instructing him in a dream that what had been unclean under the Law could be clean under Grace.”

It was Peter, not Paul. Please review Book of Acts, Chapter 10.

Greg writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 7:47 AM
Gee and Mother
We seem to be in agreement. I'd just say that it's not just the direct but the indirect things that need to be considered as well. If you can engage someone in a conversation about a side thing and you manner, conversation, or something else directly or indirectly points to salvation good. I'd argue that in the end, there is no neutral thing. In 100 years when we're all dead, the things that out live the flesh are good. The things that don't are worthless.

Mother of 4
You should know more about that KJV 1611 Bible than anyother book--period. If are going to defend a book it ought to be the Bible. How may people have you lead to Jesus using Potter--how many with the Bible? Who do you know that suddenly though that they need to turn to God after reading a Harry Potter book. You want to read it and use it to eventually tell someone about Jesus and how to go to Heaven and avoid burning forever like a greaseball in hell--go for it--all I've seen is a comparison between the wizards in Potter and Gandolf.
Mother of 4 writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 10:13 AM
A. I do not believe that God so restricted himself as to inspire only one English translation of his Word only once in history -- a practice which would have rendered his message increasingly incomprehensible through the passage of years. I favor the NIV for reference use and have become fond of the NKJV since its release because that set of translators had a better ear for the beauty of God's inspired phrasing.

B. I know my calling and I know what gifts God has given me to enable that calling. We are specifically instructed to respect each other's gifts and callings.

In your preferred translation,
"And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another."

It is unseemly and inappropriate to argue superiority for your particular gifts and calling -- especially in a situation where such squabbles can make the church a laughingstock in the eyes of unbelievers.

As I said above, I respect the position that you and others hold, but I do not agree with it. As in the case of eating meat offered to idols, let those who are weak in the area of being tempted towards the occult avoid such fantasy books as they must also avoid "lucky charms" and such common superstitions as deal with black cats, spilled salt, found pennies, and such.

But for those who are not of a superstitious turn of mind and who experience no temptation towards the manipulation of spiritual forces let them read and seek God's inspiration and message in all the myriad places where he has caused it to be found.

The Christian rock and rap artists say, "Why should the Devil have all the good music?" Christian writers can say "Why should the Devil have all the good stories?"
Mother of 4 writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 10:13 AM

Just a typo.

I'm dyslexic and so am perfectly capable of proofreading something 100 times and, each time, reading what I meant to say rather than what I actually typed. :-D LOL

Boris writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 2:00 PM
Christian's knowledge of their faith.
Disclaimers first. I'm not, and never have been a Christian. Raised by freethinking parents, I've nevertheless acquired some knowledge of Christian beliefs as part of my general cultural education. Still, I can't tell Christians how to interpret their faith. Also, though I've been dragged to two Harry Potter movies, I haven't read the books.

It's just that this whole debate reminds me of the criticisms of some beloved books from my own childhood. C.S. Lewis's Narnia books had a very obvious Christian message. For me, this neither added to, nor detracted from, the magic of the stories. I understand, though, that some critics objected to the inclusion of pagan elements in the books, despite the fact that he was clearly trying to win people over to Christianity.

I really don't want to tell Christians of any variety what they should believe. It just seems that belief in a particular religion shouldn't deter people from learning *about* other beliefs.
Greg writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 4:48 PM
Greg the your preference
What God preserved and blessed doesn't depend on your or my preference. The English Authorize 1611 KJV is taken from the Textus Receptus. While passing off as being true to the Textus Receptus, the NKJV IGNORES the Receptus over 1,200 times. The modern perversions such as the R.V., R.S.V., A.S.V., N.A.S.V., N.I.V., T.E.V. etc., are all based upon the corrupt Westcott & Hort Critical Text derived from the Vaticanus (B) and Siniaticus (Aleph) manuscripts.

In the NKJV, there are 22 omissions of "hell", 23 omissions of "blood", 44 omissions of "repent", 50 omissions of "heaven", 51 omissions of "God", and 66 omissions of "Lord". The terms "devils", "damnation", "JEHOVAH", and "new testament" are completely omitted.

The NKJV demotes the Lord Jesus Christ. In John 1:3, the KJV says that all things were made "by" Jesus Christ, but in the NKJV, all things were just made "through" Him. The word "Servant" replaces "Son" in Acts 3:13 and 3:26. "Servant" replaces "child" in Acts 4:27 and 4:30. The word "Jesus" is omitted from Mark 2:15, Hebrews 4:8, and Acts 7:45. Time and space prevent more discussion. I pray you look into the inerrancy of the Bible. God either preserved his words like he said he would or he lied.
Greg writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 5:45 PM
Boris--what is your final authority?
Who says what is right and what is wrong? Who says what is evil and what is good? Are there absolutes or not? Please, what are your thoughts?
Steve writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 7:19 PM
Christ has a challenge on his hands...
When all you well-meaning folks debate every iota of culture, you actually make the culture worse. Imagine if all our un-saved fellow travelers knew that in a time of great financial need, Christians would be the first to help...in a crime-ridden area, suburban churches would offer the best hope for education...in a famine-stricken country, American churches would pulverize hunger...for a lost teen, the best place to turn would be the older men or women from the local church. Instead, the average US evangelical church attender gives $3 per week at his place of worship. For every missionary, even short-termers, there are a thousand rabid Limbaugh-blowhards making our movement appear to be mostly a political one, with the Kingdom roughly ranked 17 on the priority list. Which brings me to this point: if Rowling made frequent homosexual jokes, frequent sexual innuendos, had been married 3 times, was found to have sexual aids in her luggage while not being married, which unless for use in masturbation meant she was having more sex outside of marriage, and had enlisted several gardeners and housekeepers to keep her drug purchases a secret while concealing evidence from the police, then I could see the right wing outrage. She should know that she could make everything great with evengelicals if only she would endorse a story about a secret Hillary file found near a junkyard that Charlie Tree may have been at. Then she'd be on the local Assembly of God guest speaker docket.
Boris2 writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 9:06 PM
Hello Greg. About absolutes . . .
First, on my unsupported word, it's the same Boris, but for some reason, I'm not getting their membership confirmation email at the first email address I gave them. I've had to create a second account at another address.

" Greg writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 5:45 PM
Boris--what is your final authority?
Who says what is right and what is wrong? Who says what is evil and what is good? Are there absolutes or not? Please, what are your thoughts?"

Not to get too far off the original Harry Potter theme, but I think your question deserves a brief answer. I won't take it any further, here, though, as I guarantee that we would merely be recapitulating things which believers and skeptics have been saying to each other for much of history. So seriously, this is my last post in this thread.

An agnostic *accepts* that he will probably never know the answer to "the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything". That doesn't mean there is no answer, it doesn't mean there are no absolutes, it means that he doesn't know. If you believe in absolute good and evil, you may be right. All I'm concerned with is whether that belief of yours allows us to live peaceably together in the same society.

I think that a society of believers, unbelievers, and fence-sitters, if well disposed toward their fellow men, can usually find compromises which permit them to live together. If you and I agree on some law or social convention, then feel free to justify it by invoking God's will, while I invoke rational self interest.

If we disagree, well, we'll just have to work it out somehow, won't we?
Greg writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 9:39 PM
Boris--what is your final authority?
Nice dodge Boris--is there anything you absolute consider wrong/evil/damnable? Or is your answer "well just depends."

Greg writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 9:43 PM
You are on the right track--there is none rightous, no not one, not me---in and of myself I'm not worth the power it'd take to blow me away. That's the point. In 100 years we'll all be dead. What then--what say you Steve. You see the Potter book was good for something--It gave me the opportunity to tell you that Jesus is God in human from and died for all us worthless sinners--he paid the price you and I owed and all you need to do is ask him and he'll save you--just ask him.
Greg writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 10:23 PM
By the way Boris
Yes we can live peaceably. You can't be made to believe in Jesus you have to, of your own free will, ask him to save you. God lets lots of people live long lives that don't believe--but you know what--sometimes they to eventually ask to be saved. So live and let live man--until you die--if that's 200 years from now for you, great. But then what? There is a day of rekoning coming--you ready--creator of the universe will be the judge and nothing is hidden from him---I'm nothing--but the LORD--he is to be feared.
Blind Funk writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 11:30 PM
This is amazing! Folks? It's fiction. That's all.

I respect most of the views here but always turn a deaf ear to in your face Proselytizing which I've seen a smattering of here.

People who do that do more spiritual harm than good, and you can take that to the bank.

As for me, I'm going to move on to my next *fiction* book now. All made up. Not real. Make-believe. And all for my reading enjoyment.
jamie61 writes: Monday, August, 06, 2007 1:52 AM
Never ceases to amaze me
I have read the Lord of the Rings books, the Narnia books, and the Potter books and I must say that I find little difference in them. All three deal with good vs. evil and in all three good triumphs in the end. I would suppose that there were critics against the Tolkien and Lewis books at the time when they were published as well. I am an Evangelical Christian and I was against the Potter books at first too. And I had never even read one. When I met a pastor and his wife who read them I decided to read them as well. I think they are wonderful. Yes, I can see where they may lead some to dabble in witchcraft, but anyone who is a strong Christian should be able to read them without compromising their beliefs. I have re-read The Deathly Hallows three times already. It is a well written story and will always have a place on my book shelf.
Spikyone writes: Tuesday, August, 07, 2007 12:38 AM
Reborn God.
In response to gwco2skeptic, who mentions the christian message in the movie "Hercules".

The unfortunate aspect of what you have just pointed out is that in reality the concept of the "Reborn God," is a highly Pagan one, that has been around far longer than Christianity, and in some forms, longer than Judaism too.

The concept of a Triune God,,, the celebrations of Easter (Eostre, Ishtar),,, Sunday worship,,, etc. etc.- are further examples of Pagan beliefs that have been absorbed into Christianity since the Emporer Constantine's conversion.
ElendilPickle writes: Wednesday, August, 15, 2007 7:37 PM
Chuck - Behind the Scenes
Chuck wrote:

"After reading the equivalent of several pages of her reasons why she wrote those books, Rowling revealed her prophecy (possibly representing the false notion in her form of witchcraft), that at the end of time satin would be their eternal god and Jesus would bow down and worship him. Then, at the bottom of the page there was a false portrayal of the devil standing naked, and a false portrayal of Jesus kneeling directly in front of him..."

The article you read is from The Onion, an online and print satire magazine, and is not true. If you visit their website, you'll see other articles such as "Jesus Converts to Islam," which should give you more of an idea of what the Onion does.

You certainly can object to the Harry Potter series if you wish, but please take the time to get your facts straight before passing on satirical rubbish as truth.
Will writes: Saturday, September, 15, 2007 7:30 PM
"Anglican" Rowling
Sorry, but we have been told more than once than she belongs to the Established Kirk, i.e., Presbyterian.

Thoughtful Roblin writes: Saturday, September, 22, 2007 11:07 AM
Harry Potter is not at all like Christ.
I have read all 7 books and to have Harry Potter likened as a type of Christ is really bad. To have the sinless perfect Son of God compared to a boy who lies, cheats, and rebels is very wrong and even blasphemous.
racket46 writes: Thursday, September, 27, 2007 11:33 PM
Interesting theroies
I've read all the harry potter books, seen all the movies up to date. And personally love the stories, they take be back to my childhood in some way when I read or watch them. I think it's interesting that people have interpreted the stories into christian stories. I am in no means saying I disagree or agree with them. However, I understand some conservatives don't think this way but to the ones who said something about rowling being a single mother? I have to say isn't it not our job but a moral duty as christians not to judge others as that is God's duty. And also should it not matter if she is a single mother not rowling in particular but any single mother. Shouldn't we always help someone in need no matter what their religious back ground, ethnicity, or I dare say their sexual orientation? I agree with blindfunk as to say "I'm going to move on to my next *fiction* book now, and all for my reading enjoyment." well said i must say :)
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