David Berlind
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October 5th, 2007

Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam

Posted by David Berlind @ 9:33 am Categories: General, IT Management, Software Infrastructure, Personal Technology, Office 2.0, Web technology, Video, Google Apps To-Do List, Technology Shakedown Tags: Google Inc., Google Apps, America Online Inc., Yahoo! Inc., Problem, Video, Microsoft Corp., E-mail, Cyberthreats, Spam, Phishing, Corporate Communications, Internet, Online Communications, Security, Spam And Phishing, Marketing, David Berlind
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Yesterday was the last straw for me when it comes to the way spam is impacting my work. First, before purging the junk mail folder in my Outlook, I did a quick scan only to notice that almost every other e-mail that was classified as spam was actually a legitimate e-mail that should have flowed into my inbox. Why was it in my junk mail folder? I have no idea. That’s part of the problem. In many cases (not all), you can’t look at the e-mail, see what the offending issue was, and notify the sender of why their e-mails are getting classified as spam.

But that wasn’t all that happened yesterday. For the events company (Mass Events Labs) that Doug Gold and I co-own to produce Mashup Camp, Startup Camp, and other events, we use a masseventslabs.com-specific context of Google Apps for e-mail, documents, spreadsheets, etc. In other words, when Doug and I send e-mail to each other through the masseventslabs.com domain, both he and I are sending and receiving from and to a Google Apps-based version of Google’s GMail. Yet somehow (as you can see in the attached video), yesterday, when he replied from his Google Apps account to an important e-mail that I sent to him via my Google Apps account, GMail redirected his reply to my spam folder. How can this be? That’s the equivalent of users of the same, behind-the-firewall copy of Microsoft’s Exchange Server not being able to send e-mail to each other because it’s getting classified as spam. Surely, an e-mail server has some idea of when the source of e-mail is itself.

So, what’s the problem and whose to blame for “friendly fire” and other SNAFUs in the battle against spam? The problem is that the major e-mail technology providers won’t work together to come up with some standard approaches to stopping spam. And when I say major, I mean AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo. If those four companies simply got together and said it’s time to fix the problem and here’s how we’re going to fix it, the rest of the world would have no choice but to follow. Don’t agree with me? Watch the video. From my interview the other day with Matt Glotzbach, director of product management for Google Enterprise, I extracted the part where he unequivocally agreed that that’s all it would take.

Yet, here we are, more than five years after the major e-mail tech providers said that they’d find a way to curb the problem, and the situation is markedly worse. Markedly. Compounding the problem is that there is some cooperation going on between pockets of vendors and Web sites here and there. But the end game there will be separate Internets. If Yahoo! and eBay get together as they’ve just done to address phishers going after users of eBay and PayPal and Google does something different with GMail to address phishers going after users of Google Checkout, pretty soon, you end up in a situation where you have to enter completely different multi-site contexts (walled Internet silos) to get anything done. That was not the idea behind the Internet.

So, are you outraged enough to join me in taking action? How can we (you and I) solve the problem. We have to put the pressure on AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo. I’ve recorded a video Technology Shakedown (see above) and I’ve licensed it under a Creative Commons license that allows you to re-use it anywhere you want. It’s not easy to grab our videos from ZDNet (I’ll work on that). So, if you want a copy of the video to paste into your blog or Web site, feel free to grab the YouTube version. Maybe together, we can all send a clear message to these four technology providers that its time to stop dilly-dallying and to lead the Internet to a standard “stack” of anti-spam solutions that will have most spammers and phishers looking for a new line of work.

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David Berlind has been Executive Editor at ZDNet since 1998 and has been a technology journalist since 1991. Although he can't respond to all e-mails, he reads them all. You can reach David at david.berlind AT cnet.com. If you don't want the content of your e-mail to turn up in a blog entry, make sure you say so. To the extent that most e-mail he receives looks to sway his opinion about something, he usually looks to pass those points of view onto ZDNet's audience members for their consideration . For disclosures on David's industry affiliations, click here.

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Something wrong wth "why don't we blame ourselfs".

I quote :"If spam would not be profitable nobody would do it". This is of course nonsens. Probably spam decreases but just like with all malware and criminal hacking there are always private persons w... (Read the rest)

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You (inncorrectly) assume they want to stop spam. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 10/05/07
yeap. Been_Done_Before   | 10/05/07
But..But..Bill Gates Promised Spam Would Be Gone!!! itanalyst   | 10/05/07
That's correct. nizuse   | 10/07/07
couldn't agree with you more steven.watters@...   | 10/08/07
shareholders? pfyearwood   | 10/08/07
What's to stop them? *NEW* masonwheeler   | 10/10/07
Different how Apache19   | 10/08/07
Eventually one will take the lead on spam G Brent LeVasseur   | 10/08/07
Dude stop with the links to your website! _dietrich   | 10/08/07
How True ..... goldenpirate@...   | 10/08/07
Email Envelope cywelchjr   | 10/08/07
This is why challenge response systems are growing in popularity Been_Done_Before   | 10/05/07
What if shareware creators other_native   | 10/08/07
Challenge Response System Purchased By AOL t0pcat   | 10/08/07
My Thunderbird spam filter... Henrik Moller   | 10/05/07
What good is it if... dberlind  ZDNet | 10/05/07
David - For everyone is the problem isn't it? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 10/05/07
What I mean by "everyone"... dberlind  ZDNet | 10/05/07
Not quite so simple TtfnJohn   | 10/08/07
Ok, but nizuse   | 10/05/07
"Good Spam" and "Bad Spam" ... George Mitchell   | 10/07/07
No such thing as "GOOD SPAM"! grahamb@...   | 10/08/07
First stop... Wolfie2K3   | 10/08/07
Legislating Spam dylan@...   | 10/08/07
So Now It's Six Chores Daily For E-mail itanalyst   | 10/05/07
Even easier... Wolfie2K3   | 10/08/07
Go on quote him:-) Richard Flude   | 10/05/07
He Never Said That itanalyst   | 10/05/07
It never would have occurred to me... Henry Miller   | 10/05/07
email filtering Swampdoc   | 10/08/07
Do you know what bots are? Mikael_z   | 10/06/07
If you could ban all Windows PC alaniane@...   | 10/08/07
Maybe a good first step though ;-) Mikael_z   | 10/09/07
Can't you configure your ISP account to NOT filter your mail? I can. tim914   | 10/08/07
The problem is that alaniane@...   | 10/08/07
Re: What good is it sullivanjc   | 10/08/07
ISPs and Spam... Wolfie2K3   | 10/08/07
If It Wasn't For Spam itanalyst   | 10/05/07
Why don't we blame ourselves? pauliusp   | 10/05/07
1000s of telemarketing calls? Madsmasher   | 10/05/07
Before the do not call list Gerald Quaglia   | 10/05/07
And the operative phrase is: laura.b   | 10/08/07
Bad analogy dberlind  ZDNet | 10/05/07
I think you're wrong there...... linux for me   | 10/06/07
So the solution to identifying spam already exists? Anton Philidor   | 10/06/07
Are you that stupid? linux for me   | 10/06/07
Post was intended to answer Mr. Berlind's comment. Anton Philidor   | 10/07/07
Pot Calling the Kettle Black? LegendsOfBatman   | 10/08/07
Doesn't happen on my Cox account CoolbeansG   | 10/06/07
I Dont Blame Me LegendsOfBatman   | 10/08/07
Blame ourselves? laura.b   | 10/08/07
Something wrong wth "why don't we blame ourselfs". *NEW* Patrick.Hollants@...   | 10/10/07
Google spam sordito   | 10/05/07
Who to blame? itpro_z   | 10/05/07
re: laws Arm A. Geddon   | 10/05/07
Laws? dberlind  ZDNet | 10/05/07
re: laws only govern our country Arm A. Geddon   | 10/05/07
Sorry, I beg to disagree dberlind  ZDNet | 10/05/07
Actually, itpro_z   | 10/05/07
Don't forget to remove the easy targets for malware Mikael_z   | 10/06/07
Similar to the way... itpro_z   | 10/06/07
Reality Mikael_z   | 10/07/07
Basically I agree. itpro_z   | 10/07/07
The problem with your "reality" laura.b   | 10/08/07
Excuse the format laura.b   | 10/08/07
A spam filter that works ... George Mitchell   | 10/05/07
OK, so you're saying that EVERYONE should use AT&T? dberlind  ZDNet | 10/05/07
Each provider should do their own CoolbeansG   | 10/06/07
I'm saying only that it proves it can be done ... George Mitchell   | 10/07/07
What AT&T Uses IS (AFIK) TtfnJohn   | 10/08/07
The solution is here for years... great_answer   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to rbpickup@...   | 10/05/07
good article david. Arm A. Geddon   | 10/05/07
It's not up to them to stop... bjbrock   | 10/05/07
Death to all Spammers! bobiroc   | 10/05/07
Oh, but it's not just the "big four" . . . CobraA1   | 10/06/07
ISP's biggest problem waltmaine   | 10/06/07
Why do you presume that AOL, Google, Microsoft or Yahoo can do anything? B.O.F.H.   | 10/06/07
Technically ignorant? FatherJ   | 10/08/07
There already IS a "protocol" that will block most spam... JJQ1000   | 10/08/07
The only 100% reliable way... _dietrich   | 10/08/07
Length of time is not the issue LegendsOfBatman   | 10/08/07
I think my email provider should block Feldwebel Wolfenstool   | 10/06/07
Here's a suggestion to think about. ewyatt   | 10/06/07
I have to pay? CoolbeansG   | 10/06/07
It was just a thought... ewyatt   | 10/07/07
OpenPGP / Mandatory _dietrich   | 10/06/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam jcuyno@...   | 10/07/07
Little Davie is at it again Vesicant   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown MooMooMooMooMoo   | 10/08/07
Gmail & Spam MooMooMooMooMoo   | 10/08/07
RETURN RECEIPT is not part of the system jensfiederer   | 10/08/07
Spam is easy to stop, without nasty side-effects SteveMak   | 10/08/07
Mail filters DON'T STOP SPAM verbila   | 10/08/07
Why Use Spam Filters ... babyboomer57   | 10/08/07
Follow the money... Marty R. Milette   | 10/08/07
Not anymore jasonshortphd   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to spstanley   | 10/08/07
Cloudmark Desktop Works Perfectly No_Startup_Sound_Man   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown cynthia_sparks2002@...   | 10/08/07
It can be done rolf.ernst@...   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to ken@...   | 10/08/07
There "is" another way ironfist03   | 10/08/07
Enough already Apache19   | 10/08/07
Big companies cannot get their config right tony@...   | 10/08/07
I have the answer!!!! pcguy777   | 10/08/07
re: ... pcguy777   | 10/08/07
The logic of the possible jinoturistica   | 10/08/07
Verizon does OK kidtree   | 10/08/07
Verizon is a spammer's paradise verbila   | 10/08/07
This is silly. john@...   | 10/08/07
I agree with You! ZenaPrincess   | 10/08/07
Agree 100% stormculture   | 10/08/07
While we're at it, let's ask the USPS to stop snail junk mail. junquemail2@...   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown rleons2001@...   | 10/08/07
spam Billy-Bob   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown thammr   | 10/08/07
If we could ban all PC's boguscomputer   | 10/08/07
correction boguscomputer   | 10/08/07
Spam, what's Spam, and how can I get some? tracy anne   | 10/08/07
I second that andrew53   | 10/09/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam goose5843   | 10/08/07
RE: Technology Shakedown #9: Why AOL, Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo are to blame for spam mark.davey@...   | 10/09/07
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