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Gravel vs. MSNBC

Mike Gravel is determined to participate in tonight’s debate in Philadelphia. But since he did not meet MSNBC’s criteria for inclusion, he’s holding his own. And as he sees it, he’s facing a rival much bigger than Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama — the cable network itself, and its parent company General Electric.

At 9 p.m. Eastern, the same time the Democratic debate starts at Drexel University, Mr. Gravel will begin his live Web cast, during which he says he’ll answer “many of the same debate questions” as the official participants. He’ll be camped at a World Café Live on Philadelphia’s Walnut Street, along with, according to an e-mail message, “hundreds of supporters and anti-war protesters to protest G.E.”
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Florida Democrats are so excited about Mike Gravel, the former Alaska senator running for the presidential nomination, that they’re letting him speak twice at their convention in Lake Buena Vista this weekend: once this morning and again this evening.

Well, actually, they’re not that excited about him. As S.V. Date of The Palm Beach Post puts it, Mr. Gravel “registered less than 1 percent in last week’s Quinnipiac poll, below ‘someone else’ and ‘wouldn’t vote.’”

But Mr. Gravel is the only presidential candidate who agreed to show up at the event, which in the past has been a popular destination for candidates, as much for the state’s purple hue on the election map as its warm weather. When the state legislature moved Florida’s primary up to Jan. 29, the Democratic National Committee vowed to punish the state by stripping its delegates, and most of the candidates signed a pledge not to campaign there.

The St. Petersburg Times lamented the situation in an editorial today, mocking Karen Thurman, chairwoman of the Florida Democrats, for calling this weekend’s meetings “the most exciting convention in Florida’s history.” The paper also admonished Howard Dean, the D.N.C.’s chairman:

This year, Dean will need to rethink that calculation. The latest Quinnipiac poll finds that 22 percent of Florida’s independent voters say they are now less likely to vote for a Democratic president because of the DNC’s shenanigans. In this still closely divided partisan environment, 22 percent is enough to turn Florida red - which is not the color Dean wants to see on the election map.

Thurman will surely do her best this weekend to keep the party faithful happy. But this convention, like the upcoming primary, is a conspicuous demonstration of how little the state matters in the 2008 Democratic primary season. If it draws national media attention, it will be for the political oddity of it all. The press might pull up a chair in the same way some children peek inside the carnival tent to see the tattooed man hammer a 16-penny nail up his nose - in a perverse attraction to acts of self-mutilation.

Anger at the national party runs high in Florida. Senator Bill Nelson and Representative Alcee Hastings are suing Mr. Dean, and The Associated Press reports that attendees booed when Mr. Nelson mentioned the boycott, even though many of them are supporting the absent candidates.

The Republican Party will also take away some delegates from the Sunshine State (just as it will do to New Hampshire, Iowa and other states holding nominating contests prior to Feb. 5), but G.O.P. candidates are completely free to campaign there—and they are, as evidenced by the debate in Orlando last week.

Mr. Date, who has published a biography of Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor, looks deeper at the differences between the two parties in the state and how the boycott will affect the race:

But a bigger problem for Florida Democrats could be that their primary race is fundamentally different from that of the Republicans.

The GOP candidates all seek the support of the sitting governor and therefore have an incentive to maintain a visible presence. There is no analogous kingmaker on the Democratic side.

Further, the Republican race features former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who is popular among many South Florida retirees; former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who has taken over part of Jeb Bush’s campaign machine; and former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson, who also has quickly put together a Florida organization.

In contrast, none of the Democrats has built a Florida coalition. That could leave Mrs. Clinton as the best-positioned because she can tap into the network of backers of her husband, the former president.

In any case, the double engagement for Mr. Gravel is a boon for him, especially since he has been excluded from Tuesday’s Democratic debate in Philadelphia.

Mike Gravel, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, was thrilled with the group of around 50 people congregated in a Manhattan church for his fund-raiser Tuesday night.

“For me, this is a big turnout,” he said.

It’s not hard to figure out why his crowds are small. For one thing, he doesn’t give much advance notice of his appearances. “It’s the only security I have,” he said, explaining that he does not have enough campaign funds to hire bodyguards. “I’m totally vulnerable.”

But perhaps the bigger issue is the fact that he hasn’t served in public office since 1981. Many of the college-age supporters first learned about him at the recent debates—they weren’t even born when he helped expose the Pentagon Papers or worked to end the draft as a senator from Alaska in the 1970s.

And so, perhaps as a result of his low bank account and name recognition, Mr. Gravel appears likely to lose his key means of exposure. The campaign found out last week that Mr. Gravel is not eligible for the Oct. 30 debate in Philadelphia on MSNBC. In a missive on The Huffington Post blog, he claims he does indeed meet two of the “arbitrary criteria” which include 14 visits to Iowa and New Hampshire or at least a 5 percent showing in one of the two most recent polls in those states or $1 million raised during the year. Read more …

Two of the early primary states still reign supreme in the hearts and minds of candidates, (and one might hold a contest even earlier, as Jeff Zeleny reported Friday night).

Today, Mr. Zeleny reports that while some national pundits have anointed Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primary, the race in Iowa is impossible to call. On the Republican side, no one has any idea who will come out on top, so Mitt Romney and Rudolph W. Giuliani are duking it out in the Granite State in a classic battle of polite vs. pugnacious.

Mr. Romney isn’t the former New York mayor’s only threat. Fred D. Thompson has teamed up with former Senator Alfonse M. D’Amato, The Times’s Sam Roberts reports, with the late entrant getting debate prep help from the former Giuliani ally. The Republicans will face Mr. Thompson for the first time in debate on Tuesday at 4 p.m. Eastern time on CNBC (rebroadcast on MSNBC at 9 p.m.).
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Mike Gravel

He lacks money and viability, but at least former Senator Mike Gravel is collecting lovely parting gifts. The long shot presidential candidate was seen ambling alone on Capitol Hill the other day carrying a small blue goody bag. “I got this from Charlie Rose,” the Alaska Democrat said, referring to a TV interview he had just finished.

The bag’s contents: “Micro-roasted” Peruvian coffee, a Newman’s Own Chocolate bar and a sugar cookie. Mr. Gravel was walking to his car, set to devour his sugar cookie lunch, when a reporter asked if he was having fun? “Oh, heck no,” he said.

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Fred D. Thompson is taking to the trail in full force, and getting asked some tough questions.

From Susan Saulny of The Times:

Before a small crowd here in a downtown convention center, for instance, Mr. Thompson often appeared to ramble. When asked “what society’s position should be on deviants, including homosexuality,” he gave a somewhat meandering answer that included, “I think that we should not have discrimination, but that we should not set aside categories to give special set-aside treatments for, and treatments to.”

He did not use the word “homosexuality” in the answer, continuing:

“You never know the full story behind someone. You can’t set aside every individual citizen and look into their background and pass judgment on them, nor should you. That’s not the federal government’s job.”

He also called gay marriage “a totally judicially created problem” and said he supports a constitutional amendment to define marriage as one man and one woman. However, one leader of the religious right said that Mr. Thompson’s position does not go far enough.

Mr. Thompson addressed his diagnosis of non-Hodgkins lymphoma, which he called a “chronic illness” akin to diabetes.

As one Republican’s campaign begins, another is expected to announce that his campaigning days are over. Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, the maverick Republican who toyed an anti-war run for the White House, will announce Monday that he is retiring at the end of his term and will not seek the presidency.
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After new details emerged about the criminal record of one of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s top donors — who has also given generously to many other Democrats over the years –– her campaign announced that it would give the $23,000 contribution from New York businessman Norman Hsu to charity. The question remains whether other donations that he bundled will be returned.

The Times’s Mike McIntire and Leslie Wayne report that the episode has been an “embarrassment for the Clinton campaign, which has strived to project an image of rectitude in its fund-raising.” Mr. Hsu, a major bundler for Mrs. Clinton, is also a fugitive in California where he pleaded no contest to a charge of grand theft 15 years ago but failed to show up for his sentencing.

Following up on their exclusive on this story earlier this week, the Wall Street Journal’s Brody Mullins and Ianthe Jeanne Dugan note that other prominent Democrats are also giving away contributions from Mr. Hsu, including New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson. He received $23,000 from Mr. Hsu for his gubernatorial campaign, which he has now decided to donate to charity.
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It’s a classic campaign theme that’s bound to come up in presidential races. And, during the 2008 election cycle in particular, when it comes to the idea of “change,” each of the leading Democratic presidential contenders is trying it on for size.

As the Associated Press’s Philip Elliott points out, Senator Barack Obama has branded himself as the candidate of change, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton uses the slogan, “Ready for Change, Ready to Lead.” Today former Senator John Edwards begins a four-day bus tour of New Hampshire with what his campaign is billing as a major speech – the central message, of course, is all about change:

‘’It’s about real change and a new vision that meets the challenges of the future and inspires the American people to work together for the common good,'’ Mr. Edwards says in remarks prepared for delivery, according to the A.P.

Edwards’s speech, his toughest yet against his top rivals, sought to draw clearer lines between himself and better-polling peers.

The bus tour, which begins this morning on the campus of Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., will take him to town halls in Keene, Peterborough and Hooksett today, followed by visits to towns up and down the Granite State.

But he’ll be sharing New Hampshire with one of his top rivals, Mrs. Clinton, who plans to deliver a policy address on health care in Lebanon today and then makes stops in Warner, Concord and Manchester.

Mr. Obama, who spoke to supporters in Brooklyn last night, travels to South Carolina where he holds an education roundtable in Dillon and a rally in Conway.

Three other Democratic hopefuls – New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, Representative Dennis Kucinich and former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel – attend “Prez on the Rez” today, the first-ever presidential candidate forum on Native American land. But as Gannett’s Diana Marrero notes, the absence of the other Democrats indicates that the “contenders continue to take the Indian vote — small and usually Democratic — for granted.”

In recent days, Republican presidential candidate Rudolph W. Giuliani has emerged as a favorite punching bag of his opponents. It may have something to do with his lead in many national polls. The Times’s Michael Luo listens to what his rivals have been saying about him:

This week, Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, started running radio advertisements in Iowa and New Hampshire referring to New York City as a “sanctuary city” in an effort to portray Mr. Giuliani as liberal on immigration, a position that would put him out of step with many Republican voters. And on Tuesday, former Senator Fred D. Thompson, who is not yet officially in the race, threw down the gauntlet with a commentary on his Web site that criticized New York gun laws and mentioned the Giuliani administration’s efforts to sue gun makers.

The Los Angeles Times’s Richard A. Serrano looks at Mr. Giuliani’s time as a lawyer for the Justice Department during the Reagan administration. Even then, Mr. Giuliani “already was demonstrating a florid sense of self, a high degree of self-confidence and a daring to pull the levers of bureaucratic power.”

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney continues to be dogged by criticism that he has flip-flopped on the issue of abortion. The Washington Post’s Michael D. Shear reports that some of Mr. Romney’s recent statements have only been reinforcing that perception. He “said this week that as president he would allow individual states to keep abortion legal, two weeks after telling a national television audience that he supports a constitutional amendment to ban the procedure nationwide.”

The Times’s Jeff Zeleny rounds up the latest maneuvering by several states to hold ever-earlier presidential nominating contests. Yesterday Michigan lawmakers voted to push the state’s primary up to Jan. 15, while the Florida Democratic Party vowed to keeps its primary on Jan. 29 — a move that is not sitting well with national party leadership.

Our own Katharine Q. Seelye takes a closer look at the proposed primary shift in Michigan, and she is “shocked — shocked! — to discover politics at the heart of” the issue.

Down ballot Democratic Senator Tim Johnson, who suffered a brain hemorrhage earlier this year, is about to make his first real public appearance on Aug. 28 at the Sioux Falls Convention Center.

Although the six Democratic presidential candidates who took part in last night’s forum on gay issues didn’t have the chance to spar directly with one another — they appeared separately in 15-minute slots — there were enough unscripted moments to keep people talking today.

Several bloggers in the gay and lesbian community weighed in, and expressed disappointment that the leading Democratic hopefuls did not endorse same-sex marriage. On QueerSighted.com, Richard Rothstein wrote that while the forum “made history, stirred powerful emotions and provided a legitimacy to gay Americans” the event had the feeling of a “great air guitar performance rather than the real thing”:

Despite all the fine words and enthusiastic support for gay civil rights, all of the frontrunners made it clear that we are not them. For us a civil union is a bundle of 1,100 civil rights but not a real marriage. Obama, Clinton and Edwards “believe” that while we’re welcome to sit in their churches, we are not welcome to be married in them.

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Sunday's Breakfast Menu(Photo: Tony Cenicola/The New York Times)

Let’s just say there won’t be a whole lot of word-mincing on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” on Sunday. Guests include Representative John Conyers, the Democratic chairman of the House Judiciary Committee who will hold hearings next week to examine presidential pardons. “We’re going to review all of them, including Clinton’s, Bush one, Bush two, we’ll go back as far as they want,” he told Fox News Radio. “This Week” also has Representative Ron Paul and former Senator Mike Gravel, who are running for the G.O.P. and Democratic presidential nominations, respectively, and are known for their uninhibited debate styles and small-but-enthusiastic supporter bases.

When Senator Chuck Hagel, the upcoming guest on NBC’s “Meet the Press” first spoke out against the administration’s approach to fighting the Iraq war, he was one of just a few Republicans to do so. But now the list of G.O.P. critics is growing, and one of the most striking, Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana, will be on CNN’s “Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer.” The Senate is expected to take up Iraq and the administration’s strategy soon, now that Congress is returning from its July 4th recess.
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As some of the leading candidates for president ramp up their campaigning this week, what about those who aren’t drawing many headlines or showing strength in the polls?

A check of schedules shows that all seems quiet on the campaign front for a set of candidates: Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Ron Paul. These three contenders faithfully appear alongside their rivals whenever a presidential debate or forum takes place. But they appear to be devoting fair less time to solo campaigning, a costly endeavor that, unlike a debate, doesn’t guarantee free air time on national television.
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Senator Chris Dodd is not Paris Hilton. Tavis Smiley is not Alex Trebek. And both Michelle and Senator Barack Obama are HIV-free.

These were among the lighthearted moments of tonight’s debate at Howard University, where the eight Democratic presidential candidates came together at the historically black university to participate in the “All American Presidential Forum” broadcast on PBS and moderated by Tavis Smiley, the talk show host.

At a forum dominated by questions of particular importance to the country’s minority communities, the candidates used the opportunity to discuss their views on issues that ranged from education to unemployment to the disproportionately high rate of incarceration among African-Americans.

Against the backdrop of today’s Supreme Court decision on the use of race in integrating schools, Senator Hillary Clinton responded to a question about whether “the color line” still exists in America, and captured both the spirit and the contradiction of this evening’s debate.

“You can look at this stage and see an African American, a Latino, a woman contesting for the presidency of the United States,” she said. “But there is so much left to be done.”

Addressing the scourge of HIV/AIDS among African American teenagers, who are infected with the virus at much higher rates than the population as a whole, Mrs. Clinton offered a hypothetical:

“If HIV/AIDS were the leading cause of death of white women between the ages of 25 and 34, there would be an outraged outcry in this country,” she said. The statement turned out to be one of her biggest applause lines tonight.

In answering the same question, Senator Joe Biden said that he had been tested for HIV/AIDS and then referred to Mr. Obama as a fellow testee. The camera then panned briefly to Mr. Obama, looking vaguely stunned, and then to a straight-faced Reverend Al Sharpton in the audience.

“Tavis, Tavis, Tavis,” Mr. Obama interjected to laughter. “I just got to make clear — I got tested with Michelle when we were in Kenya in Africa. So I don’t want any confusion here about what’s going on.”
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While the Obama Girl video became a mini-rage on YouTube last week, another kind of rock video was silently racking up the page views.

In what could be the first avant-garde video featuring a presidential candidate, Mike Gravel, the former senator from Alaska, stares into a camera intensely for nearly two minutes before turning around, tossing a rock in a nearby body of water, and walking off camera as the Gravel campaign Web site appears on screen. Read more …

Although Senator Joe Biden took the lead weeks ago in calling for a 90-minute debate on Iraq among the presidential candidates, his plans to take part in a forum last night on that very topic were all but derailed by the Senate’s deliberation on the immigration bill.

Mr. Biden arrived after 9 p.m. to the event, which had been scheduled to end at 9:30p.m. He stayed for about 30 minutes, and then returned to the Senate floor for debate on the immigration that lasted until well after midnight.

But Mr. Biden was able to squeeze in a few comments, including an outline of his strategy for ending the war “responsibly” and withdrawing the vast majority of the troops in Iraq by early next year. He also plugged the bill he introduced last month to repeal the 2002 authorization for the use of force that Mr. Biden said had been “misused” by the president.

“I think it’s incumbent upon us to relentlessly push until the Republicans in the Senate stop supporting the president and start backing a more responsible path out of Iraq,” Mr. Biden said, noting that 17 Republican votes would be needed to overturn a presidential veto if the bill were to pass.

The only other candidates who had committed to participate in last night’s forum were former Senator Mike Gravel and Representative Dennis Kucinich. Mr. Kucinich also arrived late due to action on the House floor.

The forum afforded Mr. Gravel the best chance to detail his views on the war, which he did for more than a half-hour. “I’ve got more than five minutes and they don’t have me sitting somewhere where you can’t find me,” he said to the audience at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Mr. Gravel, who favors an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq, criticized Congress for not doing enough to end the war, pointing to the passage of a non-binding resolution earlier this year that he said, “you could drive a Mack truck through.”

There are videos of the candidates’ remarks.

Debate in New Hampshore(Photo: C.J. Gunther/European Pressphoto Agency)

9:15 p.m. With the debate over, most of the candidates have left, many to go to the Spin Room, or to mingle with the audience down on the floor. But here is where the rock stars separate themselves from the pack: Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton have moved to the edge of the stage and are reaching down to the audience to shake hands and sign autographs. Mr. Obama has become so engrossed that he has crouched down on the stage to be closer to eye level with the voters.

9 p.m. A revealing final question about each candidate’s priority as president: Mr. Edwards said the next president’s single greatest responsibility would be to re-establish our moral authority in the world. Mrs. Clinton: “Bring our troops home.” Mr. Obama agreed about bringing the troops home first, “then moving on health care.” Mr. Richardson said he would upgrade the schools, including setting a minimum wage of $40,000 for teachers. Mr. Biden would end the war in Iraq and defuse a possible war in Iran. As he said that the next president would be “left with no margin for error,” Mrs. Clinton was nodding in agreement. Most of these comments seemed to underscore the earlier consensus that Bill Clinton could be useful on the world stage. Mr. Kucinich said that the war could be stopped right now by not providing funding. Mr. Gravel, pointing at his fellow Democrats, said they could end the war if they want to. Mr. Dodd, with just a few seconds, said he would restore the constitutional rights in our country on his very first day as president.

8:55 p.m. Did Mrs. Clinton just say she would raise taxes? She said we had to cut spending and raise revenues.

For those keeping track — like Senator Dodd — of who is getting the most face time on the camera and in minutes, Mr. Obama is first, Mrs. Clinton second, and then Mr. Blitzer, the host.

8:44 p.m. Mrs. Clinton has dominated a good part of the evening; witness this interesting discussion about whether to assassinate Osama bin Laden (assuming he’s caught). Mr. Kucinich said he did not believe in assassination because it could come back to haunt the United States. Mr. Obama, who seemed to be making up for the first debate when he was perceived as not quick enough on the draw to say he would retaliate if we’re attacked, said of Mr. bin Laden, that he would “take him out.” Mrs. Clinton chimed in that her husband - who has been mentioned so often tonight that he might as well be running himself — actually DID try to take out Mr. bin Laden. When all the candidates were asked to raise their hands if they would assassinate Mr. bin Laden, Mrs. Clinton sook the lead: “We’re not going to engage in these hypotheticals,” she said, speaking for her colleagues on the stage. The audience responded with a big applause.
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