Pulp Mill.Green Green Green Green and Green
Green is for the green light that has been given to Gunns to go ahead with its pulp mill in the Tamar Valley.
This, however, includes 48 conditions that have to be met, but as Peter Hartcher writes in his weekly Oped piece the bar has been lowered.
Hence making it easier for Gunns to attain the necessary standards.
Green is the colour of money, which ultimately leads to the creation of jobs, which as Peter Hartcher points out is why Labor are supporting the proposal because they are, after all, into creating jobs.
Green is the colour of the Greens who unlike Labor say they are not going to support the proposal.
As Peter Hartcher writes, Labor feel they don't need them anyway to get across the line.
Green is the colour of the House of Representatives where Labor need to secure those much needed
16 seats to secure victory.
This Labor feels, as Peter Hartcher explains, can be achieved through the distribution of the Green preferences regardless of the backlash from this act of ME2ism.
Green could be the colour of the muck that ends up in the ocean from the pulp mill, but as the opinion piece quotes it will be the "Greenest" pulp mill ever.
So we enter this green heaven and secure a snapshot into the future where the opening ceremony includes the cutting of a red ribbon.
In the above drawing Malcolm Turnbull introduces a bit of big city razzle dazzle to the bush.
Looking splendid in his country gentry blazer, and RM William's boots he shows his green credentials by cuddling a local koala as he comfortablely leans forward to cut the ribbon.
In the background his opposite number Peter Garrett celebrates the occasion while he too displays his green credentials and holds a local koala close to his heart.
Ironically this colour version of the drawing contains very little green or variations of its tone.
PS A few blogs back I wrote that I was working on an exhibition, this exhibition is now showing.
Exhibition dates 3 to 20 October 2007 at the
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LATEST COMMENTS
Rocco, isn't it wonderful to see the next prime minister being so pragmatic for he can pick and choose his policies at will without being held captive to either the left or right.
Rocco replies...I take it you are refering to Malcolm Turnbull?
- Posted by: Jay on October 5, 2007 3:25 AM
"Green, green, green"? I'm really surprised you didn't get the message Rocco...It's "science" mate, "science"...have you got it now, "science" it is, it's the colour of "science".
Rocco replies....oh is that it! as usual geromino your comment has enlightened the rest of us
- Posted by: Geronimo on October 5, 2007 5:50 AM
Green is also the colour of the politics of envy, the same politics that ensures that no issues of actual principle are supported by the Opposition lest Howard and his gormless crew have the oppurtunity to screech that Labor is beholden to special interests.
We can only imagine how such a warrior of principle as Peter Garrett must feel having to give support to such a compromised project. How does Turnbull feel having to kow-tow to Gunns and to Howard's behind-the-scenes oppurtunism?
So long as greed and corporate thuggery are the zeitgeist of Australian politics,and so long as the lazy oppurtunism of Howard is allowed to shape public reactions, then principles, ideals, and moral maturity look as out of place in the Australian psyche as Turnbull and Garrett look in Rocco's depiction of them in the Australian landscape.
- Posted by: aussiewasteland on October 5, 2007 7:08 AM
It will be interesting to see the effect of Turnbull's decision on seats a long way from Tasmania. I'm thinking of seats like Wentworth, Kingsford-Smith, North Sydney (see the Green's candidate's website http://lnsg.nsw.greens.org.au/Election2007/ - I'm sure he'll be adding stuff about the pulp mill within the next few days) and even Howard's own seat of Bennelong.....
- Posted by: Greenboy on October 5, 2007 8:45 AM
Hi Rocco,
Being located on the other side of the continent, it is a geographical impossibility to see your work at the gallery - would love to see more of your work as the painting on the web site is very evocative. Good luck with the exhibition
Cheryl
Rocco replies...Hi cheryl nice to hear from you again, there might be a oneline gallery sometime soon, shall keep you in touch , thankyou you are as kind as ever
- Posted by: victoryc@bigpond.net.au on October 5, 2007 8:47 AM
Malcolm's koala looks like John Howard. Hmmmm... There's probably some more suggestive artwork possible here. Perhaps something to do with beastility given Turnball's questionable loyalty.
Balloons aren't particularly friendly Peter Garret. I would have thought he'd have been up in arms about the blue sky mine. OMFG! It's Wittenoom all over again!!!!
I disagree with the pulp mill but I will still probably vote Liberal. At least I know who I'm voting for. When you vote Labor you're not voting in a government, you're voting in an ideological socialist union movement and they can all get f**ked as far as I'm concerned.
- Posted by: JacORB Effect on October 5, 2007 9:00 AM
We should be greatful we have the most creative environment minister in the world.
Who else could keep a straight face while claiming to save the world with compact floro lightbulbs & a chainsaw?
- Posted by: chris on October 5, 2007 9:15 AM
This is an absolute disgrace. What a narrow minded government and all supposedly because 2000 new jobs will be created but at what cost. I am not sure how many people have been to that part of Tasmania but it is absolutely gorgeous. The waters are clean, plenty of marine life, seals etc. This pulp will destroy it all (guranteed). A pulp mill pumps thousands of liters of dioxins into the water and its surrounding environment. This has been proven to cause disfigurement not only to fish and other mamals but also in humans due to our consumption of fish & water. I truly beleive that if Tasmanians truly understood what is at stake they will reel in horror at what this govt is doing. Add to this the disgracefull logging of ancient trees and what will be left of Tasmania in a few years is carcass of a once beautiful splendid Island.
- Posted by: Michael Iraninejad on October 5, 2007 9:29 AM
The decision is fine by me, but I am not a greenie.
The mill will be built and people will move on to different issues as time goes by.
- Posted by: Tony C on October 5, 2007 9:47 AM
MT must have nobbled his Koala. I gather Koala's of that species and MT do not get on.
Thought MT handled the situation quite well on the 7.30 report last night.
As the drawing shows green is being replaced by brown. One day,maybe, the green and gold will be replaced by the brown and gold.
- Posted by: bill on October 5, 2007 10:00 AM
its hard to look for reasons to take turnbull seriously as an environmentalist and certainly expected garret to go into bat for the environment a little more vigourously than he has.
it just goes to show in my view he has been told to shut up by his minders, in order to hang on to win power. after that he may say what he really thinks.
problem here is, i won't vote to install a rudd lead government that won't articulate its policies now.
the greens are looking to get my vote presently. go bob brown, keep those !@##$$ honest !
- Posted by: d. ryan on October 5, 2007 11:00 AM
I heard on ABC radio this morning that the plant Gunn's intends to build is nowhere near World's best practice in terms of environmental standards, use of chemicals, waste treatment, effluents, etc. (is Malcolm Turnbull effluent?)
Being the 21st century, why should we be giving the thumbs up for 19th century technology?
I have first hand experience of the waste produced by 19th century technology. I grew up by the Maribyrnong River in Melbourne's West. In the mid 70s they decided to clean up the river and dredged a few metres of black sludge and dumped it by the river, right next to a restricted area beside the old Footscray Ammunition Factory.
With the sound of maching gun testing in the background, we slipped through a hole in the fence, and saw these mounds of black that appeared to be dried hard on the surface. We ran down the grassy slope and took a flying leap onto it, only to discover that just the top inch was hardish, and we sank up to our necks in this unspeakably revolting black sludge that sort of stuck to us for the next few weeks.
I have had a distinct dislike for industrial waste ever since - only my liking for all things aniseed allows me to continue eating licorice in copious quantities.
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pippinu
- Posted by: pippinu on October 5, 2007 11:56 AM
I dunno, I see the Garrett character more as "The Phantom" aka "The Ghost who doesn't walk his talk"
Oath of the Skull: "I swear to devote my life to the destruction of piracy, greed, cruelty, and injustice, in all their forms, and my sons and their sons shall follow me."
Yeah, right Pete!
- Posted by: Mark on October 5, 2007 11:57 AM
After Mr Turnbulls performance in announcing his decision, so carefully behind the Scientist, he settled one thing for me! I'd like to thank him for showing us now, what sort of man we would be following if perchance he ever became PM. Replace Gunns with the USA and you'll see where we'll be then.
- Posted by: J. Sackett on October 5, 2007 12:15 PM
ME2ism - BUT, it does disarm those lowly Conservatives! This has been Rudd's game plan all along and it's clearly working.
If the end result is that we can rid the government of those lowly Conservatives, then it will be a benefit to us all as a nation, and ultimately the environment by ratifying Kyoto.
It is clear from Howard's comment in Parliament that "the jury is still out" on climate change, that the Conservatives have no idea whatsoever on the climate change issue - hence the pulp mill.
Bring on the election, then we can address climate change!
- Posted by: AntiConservative on October 5, 2007 12:40 PM
I am totally disgusted with Peter Garrett and the Labor party. I don't know how Garrett can sleep at night.
Power corrupts and this decision shows how power hungry Garrett is.
I'm sure Labor would have benefited from total opposition to the mill.
- Posted by: J hamilton on October 5, 2007 12:53 PM
It seems that Garret's role within labour is to be wheeled out whenever they want to make their fairly mediocre environment stance even weaker or worse. Witness uranium, forests, now pulp mill. It really makes you question what they will do about climate change because that will be a hell of a lot harder than just a pulp mill. Its a shame to see a bloke who once advocated for progressive policies on environment now only being utilised to apologise for regressive policies. Looks like getting the greens in the senate is going to be crucial. Labour and Libs are clearly going to be useless on the hard environmental questions.
- Posted by: Jim Jones on October 5, 2007 1:07 PM
Perhaps the Greenies who opposed the pulp mill should ask themselves whether they'd prefer the export of raw wood chips which are worth relatively little or a value-added product such as paper.
- Posted by: David on October 5, 2007 1:18 PM
When Turnbull said he supported gay rights I had not realised he meant John Gay.
On the news last night, John Gay's mangling the language and talk of "affluent" could have been an audition for Kath & Kim.
One of his gems was:
"We will try and fit those conditions into the scientists and to the builders of the equipment."
More worrying was:
"It's unfair that us as a company has to do this."
That certainly sounds like a man who is more concerned about affluence than effluence.
- Posted by: Davidk on October 5, 2007 1:23 PM
Nice one, Rocco. Turnbull looks like a hungry giant panda looking for a cane forest to trample, eat and destroy. Peter looks like a bewildered circus bear trainer.
- Posted by: Enjay on October 5, 2007 1:23 PM
Well done John, Malcolm and Pete.
My Gunns shares have just increased by 17% - enough to replace my aging jet and buy a new yacht to cruise the Mediterranean next summer.
Perhaps you would care to join us for a cruise.
By the way Pete - thanks for altering your corporate governance laws so that I no longer have to report my commercial interests in my down under investments any longer
- Posted by: Wall Street Banker on October 5, 2007 2:03 PM
If the ABC says it true then it surely must be.
All I know is that this is the most environmentally friendly pulp mill on the planet according to the scientific research papers.
- Posted by: The D Man on October 5, 2007 2:12 PM
lucky me, I live in the tamar valley!
I am totally against this decision, but in my mind the outcome was never in doubt. This state is run by a certain company, and the pollies are their best buddies.
And as for that turncoat peter garret - shame on you!
by the way, we don't have koalas in tassie.
- Posted by: green girl on October 5, 2007 2:20 PM
by the way, we don't have koalas in tassie.
* Posted by: green girl on October 5, 2007 2:20 PM
What do you use for the burgers?
- Posted by: The D Man on October 5, 2007 3:17 PM
The greenies seem to be more motivated by political ambitions than by facts:
1)Old growth forests have a low level of carbon dioxide absorption.
The metabolism, and hence CO2 absortion, of our native eucalypts is highest during their early growth phase and reduces exponentially as the tree approaches maturity.
2) Pine plantations, being fast growing, have a much higher metabolic rate than eucalypts and absorb approximately 5 times more CO2 than do eucalypts during their growth phase.
3) If the two factors are combined, cyclic replanting of pine plantations with a 15 year growth phase will absorb approximately 20 times as much CO2 as would eucalypts over the same time period.
- Posted by: ggwau on October 5, 2007 3:32 PM
Rocco, in reply to your earlier query, I wasn't specifically referring to Turnbull but just the thought of it sounds pretty good. Who knows sanity might prevail.
Rocco replies....ok fair enough
- Posted by: Jay on October 5, 2007 3:34 PM
hey D man
plenty of road kill here,perfect for burgers. They've already been flattened by all the log trucks!
- Posted by: green girl on October 5, 2007 3:45 PM
If the ABC says it true then it surely must be.
All I know is that this is the most environmentally friendly pulp mill on the planet according to the scientific research papers.
Posted by: The D Man on October 5, 2007 2:12 PM
ok - the staff of the ABC are raging loony leftists on the payroll of Pravda and have zero credibility.
I can almost live with that - but what about this statement by The D Man: "the most environmentally friendly pulp mill on the planet".
How does that statement strike us? Impartial? Scientifically backed? Or as if its come straight from the mouth of a staffer?
This very same program I heard, aired by those with zero credibility and prone to over-sensationalising, referred to plants in Sweden that are absolutely state of the art (a credible assertion in my book).
So - this is a simple question to all: does anyone know if the Gunns plant is state of the art?
D Man - if you know so much about it, perhaps you can point to the scientific literature on the issue. Or would you prefer that I quote the shock jocks?? (I wonder if there are any that aren't on the payroll though?)
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pippinu
- Posted by: pippinu on October 5, 2007 3:58 PM
pippinu
Please read the article in yesterday's AGE, no shock jocks at this double mocha soy frappuccino, washed down with a pinot noir. pantie boys paradise, maybe just Mic Carlton.
The article cites the research report of Australia’s eminent Chief Scientist Jim Peacock and the 48 conditions that were added to make this the most environmentally friendly pulp mill on the planet.
Did the ABC provide credible scientific evidence to dispute the Chief Scientist Jim Peacocks research?
- Posted by: The D Man on October 5, 2007 4:47 PM
double mocha soy frappuccino
uggh - D Man - please - you're making me sick now! stove-tops only for me thanks very much!
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pippinu
- Posted by: pippinu on October 5, 2007 4:55 PM
D Man
While I have the greatest of respect for SMH's sister paper, recording that I am originally from Melbourne, this link you provide reads like a standard press release. Did you write it?
For instance, and I quote: "Crucial among the environmental conditions placed on the mill was the low level of dioxins allowed to be discharged into Bass Strait."
The report I heard this morning, and I admit I know nothing more than what I heard, was that the plants in Sweden discharge no dioxins. Now if that is the case, then it would be silly for anyone to assert the following (as Mr Turnbull does, quoting again):
"The maximum and trigger levels will be dramatically lower than anywhere else in the world, dramatically lower than world's best practice".
I am not a scientist, nor a mathematician, nor a logician of any great note, but it seems to me that if the Swedish plants operate with zero levels of dioxins, then it is impossible to claim that you are at world's environmental best practice when you are actually discharging some level of dioxins.
For those who know about as much as me about these things (and I admit upfront that I am in no way across this issue), dioxins are described by the Macquarie as:
any of a group of chemical compounds present as contaminants in certain herbicides, especially the highly toxic 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) present in 2,4,5-T.
They lose me by the time they get to the word "chemical".
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pippinu
- Posted by: pippinu on October 5, 2007 5:11 PM
pippinu,
This is no press release, it also contains feed back from the prominent opponent of the planned Tasmanian pulp mill businessman Geoffrey Cousins who is targeting the minister in his own Sydney electorate of Wentworth.
These parts I have highlighted;
Crucial among the environmental conditions placed on the mill was the low level of dioxins allowed to be discharged into Bass Strait.
"The maximum and trigger levels will be dramatically lower than anywhere else in the world, dramatically lower than world's best practice," Mr Turnbull said.
"This is the toughest environmental burden on any pulp mill in the world."
If the conditions are met in their entirety, we feel there's a very strong prospect the mill will operate with an environmentally neutral footprint," Dr Peacock told reporters.
Mr Gay said the investigation by Australia's chief scientist Jim Peacock had revealed that if the pulp mill operated within its environmental guidelines it would "most likely have an environmentally neutral impact".
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Apparently dioxins at such low levels do not represent a risk to the environment according to the Chief Scientist.
- Posted by: The D Man on October 5, 2007 5:52 PM
"So - this is a simple question to all: does anyone know if the Gunns plant is state of the art?"
posted by pippinu.
Pippsy. What century did you say that black crusted over goo was from?
In our the Capital region on the Ottawa River under the water is the waste from mills for many a century. When you go do the sightseeing once in a while there is the big burp and a great big bubble surfaces from the rotting wood waste from over the years. And our mounted police are not allowed to ride their horses there anymore in Ottawa as somebody might get hurt.
Does everybody know that on one side of my family in the tree is the Gunn clan. Most Acadians are french irish or french scots. That is why we have so much command of the englishes and the frenches language.
You could do the research and you would find out that the Gunns done a steal of another clan's woman and in the ensuing fight the Gunns came two to a horse and won the day against the other clan that had one rider per horse.
Maybe your Gunns are like the pure breed or something. See we got the french so what the mixx up. Even if us Boisverte's' win something we just turn around after supper and do the surrender.
The song from the Wingawollis
"They pushed their way in from the coast for cedars straight and tall,
Climbed to Saddleback, then down the hill they'd haul,
The axes rang out all day long and stripped the forests bare,
They milled them on the spot and shipped them who-knows-where.
Timber was the cry and timber was their life,
I admit that times were good,
Forests everywhere and so they didn't care,
They took it all and never gave it back."
B*stards!
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Skeeeter Boisverte
- Posted by: Skeeeter Boisverte on October 5, 2007 9:53 PM
D Man
but the point remains that a certain level of dioxins will be discharged, whereas the Swedish plants discharge no dioxins - so once again, I can't see how the plant is at world's best practice. If this new plant was to replicate the specifications of the Swedish plants, then I would agree that it would be at world's best practice.
It seems a reasonable question to ask why this plant is not replicating the non dioxin discharging specifications of the modern Swedish plants. Why?
I personally don't have a strong interest in what people want or don't want to build in Tasmania - but I do have a general interest in why the Government would make exaggerated claims to push this through. Furthermore, why the urgency?
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pippinu
- Posted by: pippinu on October 5, 2007 11:56 PM
Most of the lakes in Sweden have no fish ! Why do you think this is ? Acid rain and pulp mills.
Will the new mill only use timber from their own plantations ?
- Posted by: Arnis on October 6, 2007 9:51 AM
it seems this is the only forum available for comment on this disasterous situation occuring in tasmania (in relation to the news source)Infuriating!
The agenda of this story discribes a biased polling event, instead of an investigation carried out by someone with journalistic integrity - and fortitude, and relayed to the general public.
Who is able to print the facts on the source of the timber used to provide this mills 'respectable emmissions and enviromental quotient.
Has anyone looked into the size of forestation, subsidised heavily by the government, taking place in Tasmania? Are the figures there too achieve the demands of such a worthy plant?
Is there anyone they can find who is willing to speak out of such a bully as Mr Gunn?
Mr Ackerman, these are not questions for you but the only forum i can see of getting across something which i hope can be addressed and at least seen by someone in a better position to relay some more acurate results.
- Posted by: Craig on October 6, 2007 2:17 PM
"In the background his opposite number Peter Garrett celebrates the occasion while he too displays his green credentials and holds a local koala close to his heart".
There has been considerable discussion and lampooning of Peter Garrett along the lines of the spiritually corrosive habit of political compromise of his green ideals. He's holding a dead koala.
In a personal sense it must be extremely difficult for a man who has been identified with green ideals in the past to be portrayed this way.
Perhaps a kind explanation is that if Labour and Peter show steel discipline in the lead-up to the election they will, once in power, be in a position to do great things in an environmental sense for Australia.
What may sustain them, during this dark, uncertain lead-up to the election, and the millions of dollars the coalition is spending daily on insulting advertising, is that the ALP are not, under any circumstances, going to be outmanoeuvred by a 'honest' John, PM who will accuse them of lack of financial experience. A PM who will spend money and abuse process for personal political survival.
So hang in there Peter during this dark, uncertain period and in time
recover your credibility.
- Posted by: ClarkeK on October 6, 2007 4:20 PM
Tasmania currently exports more wood chips than this mill will consume. Those exports will now go to feed to mill - and if the mill isn't built then we loose the chance to extract more value from the product. How is this any diffent to BHP or Rio shipping iron ore from the Pilbra or uranium from Olympic Dam?. Get over it. I live in Tasmania, have for 30 years, that part of the state isn't particularly attracive.
Some of the people commenting on this topic (Vision Ltd: Turnbull yes to mess for 50 years) don't even know where the mill will be built (south of Launceston?? better check your geography mate)
Do I want the mill to be built? No. But its a better solution that just shipping wood chips offshore and then buying them back as paper, and that is guarateed to happen if the mill isn't built.
- Posted by: freddy30 on October 7, 2007 12:46 PM
Isn't it amazing the ignorance one finds on this blog! For example read
"The greenies seem to be more motivated by political ambitions than by facts:
1)Old growth forests have a low level of carbon dioxide absorption.
The metabolism, and hence CO2 absortion, of our native eucalypts is highest during their early growth phase and reduces exponentially as the tree approaches maturity.
2) Pine plantations, being fast growing, have a much higher metabolic rate than eucalypts and absorb approximately 5 times more CO2 than do eucalypts during their growth phase.
3) If the two factors are combined, cyclic replanting of pine plantations with a 15 year growth phase will absorb approximately 20 times as much CO2 as would eucalypts over the same time period.
That's fine if you look at the habitat of many many species simply as a resource that absorbs CO2 and supplies the public with cheap paper. The narrowness of this view is appalling and shows how real facts are hidden from the public when it comes to debate in this country. One of the major reasons conservationists are opposing this mill is because it threatens many species with EXTINCTION! It threatens the razing, which includes clear felling chipping and burning of the one of the most complex and biodiverse regions in Australia, a unique habitat that will no longer exists if Gunns have their way. Do the politcally rightwing idiots in this country understand anyhting? Nope too busy lining their jacuzzis with Koala fur most likely. As for garrett, if he doesn't get up and say "We will revoke this licence when we win government"then he is a reallly clever poltician keeping his powder dry or he has been sucked into the corrupt miasma of the rich and powerful. A little note for Pete. "What does it profit a man to gain the world yet to lose his own soul?" Ditto to Turnbull, Howard and Cronies. Greed filled pigs the lot of them!
- Posted by: treeman on October 7, 2007 2:09 PM
There is an episode of Yes Minister where Hacker has to sell an unpopular development to the locals. Humphrey advises him to commissioin a report that will have scientific backing saying that no harm will be caused by it. In the ensuing converstaions between them as to how it should be done Humphrey comes up with a scientist who will conclude what the Minster requires therefore silencing the critics. I would suggest that a similar episode was lived out in Turbull's office a few weeks ago and the result is what he wanted, a scientific endorsement of what his mates at Gunn's asked for. YES MINISTER. that's all Turnbull is a YES man of the highest order and his hiding behind a smokscreen and calling it a comprehensive scientific assessment is the kind of bull Sir Humphrey and Hacker would have been proud of. Who says reality doesn't imitate art? It is all in keeping with Australia's cherished title of being the country with the worst record of species extinction in modern history. malcolm has lived up tpo his name and truly turned some bull by performing a captain Bligh on the electorate. maybe soon he'll be made to walk the plank. Shame Turnbull Shame Howard and Shame Gunns. As Bob Brown said these guys )or (Gay) are EVIL>
- Posted by: treeman on October 7, 2007 9:50 PM
Commercial interests over the environment again. Will we be able to get the kind of flora and fauna destined for the pulp mill back once it is chipped? Probably not. Is there even a slight chance that pollution could occur as a consequence of the mill's operation? Yes _ Jim Peacock has not categorically ruled the possibility of pollution out. This decision is a disgraceful one, illustrating yet again that the liberal party are in bed with their bosom buddies at the top end of town - a place Mr Turnball is very at home in.
- Posted by: nic w on October 8, 2007 10:09 AM
Yeah the pulp mill's pretty much built. Time to move on to the next victory. Like we did with Iraq. Yeah lets leave all this green hysteria behind and get on with running out of drinking water, environmental degradation, chronic rainfall shortage, crop failures and galloping world food price inflation. Vote for a little bit of genius, viz: It will rain again one day.
- Posted by: The Genius on October 8, 2007 1:43 PM
"at least"
Posted by: Craig
AFTER CLASS.
NOW!
- Posted by: Mrs. Ella Fent on October 8, 2007 2:58 PM
Mrs. Ella Fent on October 8, 2007 2:58 PM
One bag of peanuts too many huh?
- Posted by: The D Man on October 8, 2007 4:40 PM
D Man
D Man
Class,
Class,
Class
Shut Up!
6.9 for style
{all figures out of 7}
6.5 for grammer. Why?
Just. Because.
So come out poster and tell the world what the D stands for Man. Are you such as a "no-man"? As in I am DMan no more?
Possibly D as for Dan The Man?
Why would anybody ever consider that you are
a) a D
[or/and]
b) a Man?
D Man I ask you: "did you not carry your lunch to class today?"
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Mrs. Ella Fent
- Posted by: Mrs. Ella Fent on October 9, 2007 12:39 PM
"Posted by: pippinu on October 9, 2007 10:45 AM
I've been to Wauchope, Timber Town just isn't as exciting as it would sound!
Posted by: Brickowski on October 9, 2007 11:42 AM"
http://blogs.smh.com.au/sport/archives/2007/10/aleague_round_7_preview.html?page=fullpage#comments
Rocco I have been to the soccer ball site and you are getting there. Attention there too. You can find the cross blog post.
I laugh at the sound wood. What the bunch of block heads' comment.
Did the showing go goodly? I don't find the water in colour like type painting that appealing.
Looks like the big cross puzzle in the thousands of piece with Paris in the rain light to me. Add the cobble stone and dance.
Under My Um Ba Rella like.
- Posted by: Skeeeter Canuckie on October 9, 2007 12:50 PM
Malcolm Turnbull is amazingly and arrogantly ambitious coveting the PM's Office.
- Posted by: Drone on October 17, 2007 8:02 AM
Unfortunately, Tony C is right, people will move on to other issues, because the average person only cares about their immediate surroundings and what actually affects them.
I have just visited Tasmania and seen for myself the disgusting way our children's heritage is being ripped from the earth. I am not a tree-hugging Greenie, just somebody with enough common sense to realize that this is not sustainable.
I am pleased Mr. C, that you can say it's alright by you. I only hope that your requirements for food, water and air in the future are not too demanding.
I witnessed the destruction of native forests, thousands of years old. I saw dead wombats, quolls, Tasmanian Tigers and the destruction of some of the best farming land in the world and for what? Paper. Paper and the greed of a handful of businessmen. As for the jobs, wood chipping has actually halved the jobs in Tasmanian forestry and is set to reduce them even more. And here is a sum for you to do:
Rip out a tree and it discharges its carbon, in the form of CO2, into the atmosphere.
Plant a tree and it takes 15 years before it is affective at storing CO2.
Gunns, are harvesting Blue gums at around 12 - 15 years...
Show me how that is sustainable, unless you can stand high temperatures and can breath CO2.
Before anyone makes comments about this being okay, I suggest they go take a look.
David Leigh
- Posted by: David leigh on October 23, 2007 11:05 PM
There is nothing more destructive to the Environment than the sight of Mr. Turnbull's forced smile.