quikboy said:
"@Doug:
Better than what it was before. Focus on the postives here. Why be so negative?..." [read]
Harold Hedelman said:
"Perhaps the way to reconcile the local/national issue is to base (at least in part) the national indicator on numerous regional indicators. Inconsi..." [read]
Abby said:
"I'm with Lloyd. When outlet malls are opening at midnight to cater to the hoards of consumers in search of a "deal", there's something seriously wr..." [read]
bill said:
"Anytime you do anything against the status quo, Big Brother will get you. ..." [read]
anon said:
"Simply having a black floor and black walls wherever there is sun exposure inside the home--would that be a more effective solar heater?
Th..." [read]
DougO said:
"Yeah, Paul D. makes my point, the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of energy) tell us that this device is most likely just intercepting en..." [read]
Bill McDonough says " I love nuclear energy! It's just that I prefer fusion to fission. And it just so happens that there's an enormous fusion reactor safely banked a few million miles from us. It delivers more than we could ever use in just about 8 minutes. And it's wireless!" TreeHugger's Tim McGee thinks Thorium powered Nukes might be a good idea. Christine points out that nuclear is back on the table in many European countries. General Electric paints itself green but still believes in Nukes. Canada is thinking about using nukes to make gasoline.
Yes, and I think they always have. And in an ideal world, I'm all for nuclear power. But this isn't a perfect world, and I fear the type of people who will work at the plants will be of the Homer Simpson variety, and while I might be a tad to jaded and untrusting of my fellow man, it is a large responsabilty tearing apart the fabric of the universe for energy.
I am by no means a Coalie, but I see the energy supply running dry for a few years before they crank up the old generators, if they don't have to be scrapped altogether due to them effects of time on the machinery. I'd like to see us switch to LEDs for all sources of light first. Though, if we switch to nukes early, we'll probably avoid the second depression.
I love that blue glow. It is truly eerie to see in person. Nuclear power is not going away. I think the energy market would crash if it went to all solar tomorrow. And it would be more expensive. Making solar panels is expensive and not exactly friendly for the environment either. If we stop the once through method of fuel and reprocess, there would be less waste and more energy. Maybe we should put nuke plants in space and beam down the energy, just dump the waste into space, towards the sun.
Just to clarify my position a little on nuclear energy-
I think alternative forms such as solar, wind, wave, biofuel etc. should be used and developed as much as possible for specific locations- with the end goal of creating a society that does not exceed the energy capacity of a geographical area (much like the rest of life on earth). I'm a fan of thorium because it is potentially a 'better' technology then existing nuclear power facilities- Ideally we would not need any nuclear power for normal operations- but I don't see that happening anytime soon, and thorium offers considerable benefits to coal, or other fossil fuels, that will help us during the transition without leaving us with a long-term problem.
Lastly, there are places where alternative energy is harder to develop- say on Mars or in space. Thorium powered spacecraft sounds better to me then Uranium powered spacecraft- as the waste products are easier to maintain and even utilize. (we do have nuclear powered submarines already- none of them use thorium yet as far as I know).
Tim McGee says:
I completely agree with Tim's comments.
houston says:
Nuclear power is vital. We are just scared by its potential. I think a lot has to do with soviet disregard for safety and doing things right. I am somewhere between #3 and #5. At this moment, it is a necessary evil, but I have hope for the future. Also, the only realistic means of long distance space travel (interplanetary, even intersolar) is with a reactor. Solar panels and rockets work, but only to the extent that fuel and oxidizers last, and the sun's rays stretch.
James says:
What a wonderful site. I am teaching a grade twelve Energy and Mines course to 12 very environmentally conscience students. A majority of our course will be dedicated to the study of uranium as a source of energy for the future. Living in northern Saskatchewan, Canada we are within arms length of the world's richest ore deposit (17%) at the McCarthur River mine site. My class and I will be flying up to Key Lake courtesy of CAMECO corporation to see first hand how uranium is mined and to check out the companies environmental safety policies.
Based upon the tremendous growth in exploration company activity this winter and from the reports that even more uranium deposits have been found I can say that this form of energy will be around for another 250 - 300 years. So let's hope that engineers and scientists can determine how to better utilize the 95% of this energy that is still not tapped through the fission process.
James Andrews says:
We environmentalists must rethink our opposition to nuclear power. Those who have opposed the building of new nuclear power plants in the U.S. over the past twenty years have actually forced the use of a filthy alternative--coal combustion--that releases millions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Meanwhile, here in Europe, countries like France have forged ahead with the construction of nuclear plants using modern and safe technology developed by the Americans.
Worried about radiation? Then help us to do something to shut down the source of energy that is releasing tons of radioactive materials--mainly, uranium and thorium--into the atmosphere every years. Nuclear plants? No, coal-fired plants. You can read about it here:
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
James L. says:
Nuclear energy is simply a step closer to cleaner energy. It is much cleaner than fossil fuels - especially to the atmosphere.
We are going to produce power from a wide variety of cleaner solutions, and for the next 20-40 years, nuclear will be essential. Japan and China, as well as India, are banking on it to help with their rapiidly groing demand. It is simply not realisitc to tackle Global Warming, at this present time, without nuclear in the picture.
Benny says:
Every dollar we spend on nuclear is wasted money we could have used to build more wind farms, solar power, cfl lightbulb factories, etc.
Wow, environmental racist within the environmental community. Those of you who think nuclear power is the way to go, or make comments like, "only in the mining" like it some how doesn't matter, probably don't even realize how devastated indiginous, poor, and other communities of color are impacted by this nuclear stuff on the front and back ends of the fuel cycle. Or, maybe you just don't care as long as you get what you want and the devastation to people, the earth, water, and sky are not in your back yards. Amazing. Another generation of elitist trying to play like they really care about people and the environment.
How about 'First Do No Harm'.
Peace & One Love
Dianne
Dianne says:
Hi,
With regard to the spent amount on this nuke powered plants and usage of the product if we limit it to making only one programme which is useful to the mankind in the coming decades and centuries then we will see a good turnout of events. A best example is use this power in changing sea water as highly enriched higenic drinking water. Ofcourse now there is such procedures like desalination but I think adopt this nuke power in its place and no other place except this.
M.VINOD says:
I tell you, you greenies make me laugh. With your better than thou statements. Your are against coal,oil,natural gas,nuclear, and hydro. Yet when companies and individuals try to bring alternatives on line you fight their implamintation at every step. Wind wont work it kills birds and ruineds the veiw, niodeisel wont work it causes deforestation. What do you want? Do you think living in the 16th century was so great? I hear from many of you we have to get our population under control, so you advocate abortion. Hey iI have an idea how about volunteering for population control youselves.
PS. even wood isnt liked by alot of you, cause too much partical polution. GIVE ME A BREAK.
jeff says:
"you greenies make me laugh. With your better than thou statements."
"implamintation"
"Do you think living in the 16th century was so great?"
"you advocate abortion"
"how about volunteering for population control youselves"
"partical polution"
~~~~~
It can't be said enough - make sure your children get a good education. Look what can happen.
Anonymous says:
I find it ironic that the environmentalists who opposed building nuclear power plants (and successfully ended the industry till now) are now being found guilty of destroying the environment and CAUSING nuclear radiation being released into the environment!!!
Now most people the world over know that nuclear power will save the earth and us. Let us all keep reminding everyone that.
Not that solar, wind, and water power (hydro and from the waves) aren't a very important part of the picture. They're all needed. But nuclear is the only one that can do the bulk of the job. The others just fill in the gaps and help out.
Nothing goes down as smooth as a nice cool drink from TreeHugger Forums; here are some highlights...
1) Forums user tadowguy is crunching some numbers, and wondering about the relative greenness of synthetic versus dinosaur-derived motor oil. "I change my own motor oil in my car. 4 quarts (1 gallon) every 3,000 miles is the book's recommendation. That's about 25g of motor oil that I've used currently. It pales in comparison to the probably 3000 gallons of gas I've used, but used motor oil is nasty stuff. I switched to synthetic oil around 30k miles. The synthetic costs about 2x-3x the regular oil, but, I only change it about every 10-12k miles. Does anyone have any information on the impact of making synthetic oil versus refining motor oil?"
2) User shadygrove is new to the vegetarian lifestyle, and looking for some help. "I could use some advice, recipes, tips etc. about living a vegetarian lifestyle. I have no real interest in going strictly vegan, (i love cheese too much), but I am open to recipes that are vegan." A good "red sauce," to go with pasta and other starches, along with a handful of handy sites are suggested. In a slight tangent, one commenter suggests that the protein deficiency that can accompany vegetarianism is dangerous business...hmm.
3) Lastly, Forums user jcoffman has stumbled into a bit of a random question: "Ok, while wandering around the store the other day I found paper made from rocks.... I was initially skeptical, but still thought it was interesting. I looked up how this paper is actually made and I have to wonder, is it really better than traditional pulp paper? Obviously one could say its better because it doesn't require trees. Thats not the complete picture though. What about the manufacturing energy, and the biodegradability of this product?" Before you rush to click on over, there's already a few jokes about rock paper and scissors. Ha.
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The newsboys aren't on streetcorners anymore; there are so many ways to get information now. However we were surprised to learn from April's post that the old fashioned dead tree edition can in fact have less environmental impact than reading it on the computer (if it gets passed around a bit). Newspapers around the world are losing circulation, but where is it going?
UPDATE: I am so sorry about forgetting public radio like NPR, CBC and BBC. I cannot change a poll once it is up without losing all the votes.
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It must be one of those newfangled intarweb things; over at 10questions all kinds of people have funny arrows pasted over their mouths and when you press the arrows, they actually talk and ask questions for the presidential candidates. It is the last day before questions close so if you want to post a question, paste an arrow over your mouth and go to 10Questions.
Meanwhile energy will a burning question in this election, as oil supplies continue declining and concern about CO2 emission continue increasing.
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TreeHugger has been all over bottled water for years, but has also warned about bisphenol A and the dangers of gender bender chemicals, both from polycarbonates and in municipal water. There are so many trade-offs, and now we have to worry about not only what we drink but what we drink it out of.
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1) Forums user goldh37 asks a really good question: "Have you had trouble getting your friends to be greener? What techniques, if any, did you use? I find statistics to be boring and I hate using them. I used to use the fact that often times it saves money, but that doesn't seem to bother people because everyone is concerned about the short term." This is a huge issue, with no simple answers. Anyone care to weigh in?
2) User stevenchen18 notes that Al Gore's former life as a politician might not have positioned him well to appeal to everyone: "I greatly respect him solely because he worked very hard on environment issues, most importantly the Global Warming. To my surprise, some genuine environmentalists have reservations about Al Gore. Because of this, many of Al Gore’s political foes, disguising themselves as environmentalists, launched attacks to him. It confused people and had negative impact on environment movement." So the question is: if not Al, who?
3) Lastly, user tangmonkey notes that, "If you spend a lot of time on green/environment sites you could be fooled into thinking the environment is a big deal online but it's really a small niche. How can we expand the reach of green on the web to include more people and get green ideas out to the masses?" Branding "green" as "fun" and making green products cheaper than conventional products have been suggested; both easier said than done, unfortunately, so what else can we do to spread the good word?
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Now that we are in the American election spin cycle, what would we ask the candidates if we could? What would we expect to hear? For the next few days you can do it at 10questions, but we will use a survey per week to look at issues big and obscure that we might want our candidates to think about.
We recently noted that the FDA has a long list of "grandfathered" chemicals that have been around for so long that they are assumed to be safe, and they go into stuff that we use on our kids, even though some are associated with brain and nervous system damage, hormone disruption, allergies and cancer. Many are common ingredients in baby shampoo, lotion, diaper cream, and sunscreen.
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One worldwide poll recently showed that people will pay more and make sacrifices to address climate change. Another American poll recently found that consumers were willing to pay more to make their homes more green. Running that poll here on TreeHugger is preaching to the converted, but let's do it anyways and find out why you want a greener place to live.
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It's been an interesting weekend at TreeHugger Forums; here are some highlights of what you missed while you were gone fishin'.
1) Forums user rob23 is wondering about banning the bulb: "I remember a while ago a Ca law maker was trying to ban incandescent light bulbs.. does anyone know if the law passed? I tried to look it up but all the articles I could find were just about the proposal to do so." Other contributors to the thread aren't so hot on the idea, arguing that CFLs -- the most logical replacement -- provide poor light quality, are hard to dispose of, and contain toxins. We put it to you: is banning the bulb a good idea?
2) User goldh37 is on a mission: "I am already a very green person, I think. I bring my own bags to grocery stores. I don't accept plastic bags at stores (much to all the clerks' confusion). I use CFL light bulbs in my apartment. I recycle as much as I can. I use rechargeable batteries. I unplug my appliances when I leave my apartment, and switch off the power strips. I use organic soaps and cleaning supplies...Yet I feel like there's so much more I could be doing." Who has advice for darkening your shade of green?
3) Lastly, Forums user Wai is wondering, "Do you build anything from junk? What do you make?" Salvaging old stuff is always a green way to go, and can add lots of value and personality to things that new stuff just can't. The thread also contains an interesting discussion of the sheer volume of stuff that gets tossed and added to the waste stream every day; there's huge potential for further incorporating reused/recycled materials into our daily lives, but integrating it into our current systems is tricky. Hmm.
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Alicia Silverstone shares her green style secrets, including how she buys her organic cotton underwear from Gaiam, and canvas bags by Anya Hindmarch.
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Google has launched the UK Carbon Footprint Project to help people in the UK calculate, track and compare their carbon footprints in three easy steps.
On average, a small to medium sized print shop produces 17,770 kilograms of greenhouse gases and destroys 423 trees each month. Ouch.
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The farm bill. The energy bill. People in Washington are making laws that will profoundly affect the future of our cities, our health and our climate, and yet we see so little interest in them. One codger I know says of people today: "few of them grew up in the generation we did where empowerment to change governance was a common ideal." But whose responsibility is it to affect change, to make things happen?
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TreeHugger Forums have lots for you to ponder heading in to the weekend. Here are some of the highlights...
1) Forums user PBriscoe is a student looking to talk and learn more about the commodification of action. What's that? "What I mean by the commodification of action is that instead of actually doing something to help the environment like changing personal habits or pushing their government for change, people just buy a t-shirt that says 'I'm Green' and consider themselves Green. Instead of acting, they are just purchasing." There is lots to unpack here...
2) User mpopovi busts out the Forums' polling functionality to ask: "Which country is doing the most to make our planet greener?" On the list are the US, Japan, Sweden, Norway, China, the EU and others; so far, the discussion has netted responses from "How on earth could you miss out Sweden, the country aiming for a post-oil economy." and "New Zealand is doing a lot. I heard recently that they get 70% of their electricity from renewables" to "I'm afraid most of the ones mentioned are the ones also responsible for our present predicament." and "No government is doing anything significant to merit the designation." Thoughts?
3) Lastly, Forums user stevenchen18 ponders "What is a Sustainable Society?" posits this answer: "A sustainable society is one that can progress without catastrophic setbacks in the foreseeable future. This answer recognizes the fact that human beings will not be able to build a perfect society or even to agree upon what is a perfect society for very many generations to come. A sustainable society is simply one that can avoid a devastating blow so that human society can continue its long journey to perfection." Hmm; does anyone think we can do better than this?
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Yes, and I think they always have. And in an ideal world, I'm all for nuclear power. But this isn't a perfect world, and I fear the type of people who will work at the plants will be of the Homer Simpson variety, and while I might be a tad to jaded and untrusting of my fellow man, it is a large responsabilty tearing apart the fabric of the universe for energy.
I am by no means a Coalie, but I see the energy supply running dry for a few years before they crank up the old generators, if they don't have to be scrapped altogether due to them effects of time on the machinery. I'd like to see us switch to LEDs for all sources of light first. Though, if we switch to nukes early, we'll probably avoid the second depression.
My opinions, since you asked.
I love that blue glow. It is truly eerie to see in person. Nuclear power is not going away. I think the energy market would crash if it went to all solar tomorrow. And it would be more expensive. Making solar panels is expensive and not exactly friendly for the environment either. If we stop the once through method of fuel and reprocess, there would be less waste and more energy. Maybe we should put nuke plants in space and beam down the energy, just dump the waste into space, towards the sun.
Just to clarify my position a little on nuclear energy-
I think alternative forms such as solar, wind, wave, biofuel etc. should be used and developed as much as possible for specific locations- with the end goal of creating a society that does not exceed the energy capacity of a geographical area (much like the rest of life on earth). I'm a fan of thorium because it is potentially a 'better' technology then existing nuclear power facilities- Ideally we would not need any nuclear power for normal operations- but I don't see that happening anytime soon, and thorium offers considerable benefits to coal, or other fossil fuels, that will help us during the transition without leaving us with a long-term problem.
Lastly, there are places where alternative energy is harder to develop- say on Mars or in space. Thorium powered spacecraft sounds better to me then Uranium powered spacecraft- as the waste products are easier to maintain and even utilize. (we do have nuclear powered submarines already- none of them use thorium yet as far as I know).
I completely agree with Tim's comments.
Nuclear power is vital. We are just scared by its potential. I think a lot has to do with soviet disregard for safety and doing things right. I am somewhere between #3 and #5. At this moment, it is a necessary evil, but I have hope for the future. Also, the only realistic means of long distance space travel (interplanetary, even intersolar) is with a reactor. Solar panels and rockets work, but only to the extent that fuel and oxidizers last, and the sun's rays stretch.
What a wonderful site. I am teaching a grade twelve Energy and Mines course to 12 very environmentally conscience students. A majority of our course will be dedicated to the study of uranium as a source of energy for the future. Living in northern Saskatchewan, Canada we are within arms length of the world's richest ore deposit (17%) at the McCarthur River mine site. My class and I will be flying up to Key Lake courtesy of CAMECO corporation to see first hand how uranium is mined and to check out the companies environmental safety policies.
Based upon the tremendous growth in exploration company activity this winter and from the reports that even more uranium deposits have been found I can say that this form of energy will be around for another 250 - 300 years. So let's hope that engineers and scientists can determine how to better utilize the 95% of this energy that is still not tapped through the fission process.
We environmentalists must rethink our opposition to nuclear power. Those who have opposed the building of new nuclear power plants in the U.S. over the past twenty years have actually forced the use of a filthy alternative--coal combustion--that releases millions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Meanwhile, here in Europe, countries like France have forged ahead with the construction of nuclear plants using modern and safe technology developed by the Americans.
Worried about radiation? Then help us to do something to shut down the source of energy that is releasing tons of radioactive materials--mainly, uranium and thorium--into the atmosphere every years. Nuclear plants? No, coal-fired plants. You can read about it here:
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
Nuclear energy is simply a step closer to cleaner energy. It is much cleaner than fossil fuels - especially to the atmosphere.
We are going to produce power from a wide variety of cleaner solutions, and for the next 20-40 years, nuclear will be essential. Japan and China, as well as India, are banking on it to help with their rapiidly groing demand. It is simply not realisitc to tackle Global Warming, at this present time, without nuclear in the picture.
Every dollar we spend on nuclear is wasted money we could have used to build more wind farms, solar power, cfl lightbulb factories, etc.
Wow, environmental racist within the environmental community. Those of you who think nuclear power is the way to go, or make comments like, "only in the mining" like it some how doesn't matter, probably don't even realize how devastated indiginous, poor, and other communities of color are impacted by this nuclear stuff on the front and back ends of the fuel cycle. Or, maybe you just don't care as long as you get what you want and the devastation to people, the earth, water, and sky are not in your back yards. Amazing. Another generation of elitist trying to play like they really care about people and the environment.
How about 'First Do No Harm'.
Peace & One Love
Dianne
Hi,
With regard to the spent amount on this nuke powered plants and usage of the product if we limit it to making only one programme which is useful to the mankind in the coming decades and centuries then we will see a good turnout of events. A best example is use this power in changing sea water as highly enriched higenic drinking water. Ofcourse now there is such procedures like desalination but I think adopt this nuke power in its place and no other place except this.
I tell you, you greenies make me laugh. With your better than thou statements. Your are against coal,oil,natural gas,nuclear, and hydro. Yet when companies and individuals try to bring alternatives on line you fight their implamintation at every step. Wind wont work it kills birds and ruineds the veiw, niodeisel wont work it causes deforestation. What do you want? Do you think living in the 16th century was so great? I hear from many of you we have to get our population under control, so you advocate abortion. Hey iI have an idea how about volunteering for population control youselves.
PS. even wood isnt liked by alot of you, cause too much partical polution. GIVE ME A BREAK.
"you greenies make me laugh. With your better than thou statements."
"implamintation"
"Do you think living in the 16th century was so great?"
"you advocate abortion"
"how about volunteering for population control youselves"
"partical polution"
~~~~~
It can't be said enough - make sure your children get a good education. Look what can happen.
I find it ironic that the environmentalists who opposed building nuclear power plants (and successfully ended the industry till now) are now being found guilty of destroying the environment and CAUSING nuclear radiation being released into the environment!!!
Now most people the world over know that nuclear power will save the earth and us. Let us all keep reminding everyone that.
Not that solar, wind, and water power (hydro and from the waves) aren't a very important part of the picture. They're all needed. But nuclear is the only one that can do the bulk of the job. The others just fill in the gaps and help out.