On The Line, Part II: Strike News Day One


(...refresh for latest posting) Part I is here.

Inevitably, the first Craigslist strike reference, posted under "Missed Connection":
"Nerdy, Neurotic Writer Picketing Outside the Studio! "Hi! You were the neurotic, quiet and nerdy writer picketing outside the studio this morning! Did you write that sign yourself? That was so clever. I was the Big, Bad Studio Monster that paid you exorbitant amounts of money up front, then denied you a piece of the back end. Then I ignored all your requests to negotiate and tried to bully you into a deal! Can we kiss and make up? Please? I think we can work some magic together if we both just put our egos aside. Who cares about the Below the Line people? We're above it for a REASON!!!"

First Obama. Now Clinton and Edwards. All released statements today supporting the WGA strikers -- even though nearly all the Hollywood moguls have hosted major fundraisers for each of them.
-->Hillary Clinton: "I support the Writers Guild’s pursuit of a fair contract that pays them for their work in all mediums. I hope the producers and writers will return to the bargaining table to work out an equitable contract that keeps our entertainment industry strong and recognizes the contributions writers make to the success of the industry."
-->John Edwards: "The striking Writers Guild members are fighting an important battle to protect their creative rights. These writers deserve to be compensated fairly for their work, and I commend their courage in standing up to big media conglomerates. As someone who has walked picket lines with workers all across America and as a strong believer in collective bargaining, I hope that both sides are able to quickly reach a just settlement.”
-->Barack Obama: I already reported his statement here.

Below is a photo of actor Robert Patrick picketing CBS on Fairfax Avenue this afternoon with The Unit writers.


At the Raleigh Hollywood Studios, where they film Ugly Betty, picketers were near the end of their shift at around 4:40 pm when actress Vanessa Williams from the show came out with a bowl of candy for them.

Actress Meg Ryan came to a WGAE picket location in NYC and visited some friends in line.

UPDATE: From a Fox studio lot worker bee claiming to be on the side of the writers: "I don't mean to rain on the WGA's parade but I work in the building closest to the Pico gate, building 89. It's where the House production offices are. I was there from 9am to 6pm and didn't hear a thing from inside the building. And when I walked outside for a break, I heard some horns honking from time to time but nothing too over the top."

The WGAE strikers have such a wildly different experience walking the picket lines than do the WGAW'ers mostly because there's sidewalk action. That's right, they actually come into contact with pedestrians who often talk back. I think John Robin Baitz posts a very evocative account of the NYC picketing here on The Huffington Post. I like his title for the WGAE walkers: March of the Schleppers.

Stories coming in to me of strikers moonwalking, doing mime, and performing cheerleader routines on the picket line for the benefit of the cars passing by. Are we certain these walkers are writers and not carnies?

The above photo is from picketing at Fox. I was told that strikers were gauging how they were able to tie up lines of cars trying to get in and out of one of the studio's garages there, especially around lunchtime, by focusing on just one entryway. Then again, the picketers also realized that the folks who park there aren't the studio CEOs and top execs who all come in the Pico entrance.

Picketing at Universal today was boisterous not to mention noisy: trucks and cars loudly honked in support. Several members of SAG joined WGA lines including Frances Fisher, Justine Bateman and Marg Helgenberger and walked for many hours. Showrunners like Desperate Housewives's Marc Cherry, Frasier creator Peter Casey, Drew Carey creator Bruce Helford and CSI's Carol Mendelsohn were out there, too. Ahmet Zappa drove by and dropped off dozens of coffee drinks. Gifts of dozens of pizzas came from Joss Whedon fans and CSI production offices. Also, Patric Verrone and David Young made stops on the Uni picket lines giving strikers updates on the negotiations.

WGAW President Patric Verrone said tonight in a statement (excerpt):

"Let me now address an issue which I know is on the minds of many — our decision to remove DVD from the table, a decision which was met with significant disappointment and even anger from many of our members. The reason for that decision was strategic and followed several back-channel assurances that, if DVDs were dropped, we would be able to make sufficient progress in new media so that a strike could be averted. This offer, combined with our desire to do everything within our power to make a good deal without a strike (by removing management’s strike issue), as well as some small movement at the bargaining table early on Sunday, provoked our decision to make that move. Unfortunately, the response we got was not as promised and management broke off talks before our new media proposals were seriously addressed. Our new comprehensive proposal (including the DVD removal) was presented in an off-the-record session: our new proposal was then rejected. Based on what I saw and heard on the picket lines today, therefore, all bets are off and what we achieve in this negotiation will be a function of how much we are willing to fight to get our fair share of the residuals of the future, no matter how they are delivered."

WGA has issued this picket count for the first strike day:


Location: Total # of Members on Picket Lines

CBS Radford 527

CBS Television City 195

Culver Studios 115

Disney 190

FOX Fox 520 + 25 SAG

Hollywood Center 93

NBC Burbank 121

Prospect 116

Paramount/Raleigh 286 +10 SAG

Raleigh Mahn Bch 111

Sony 215 + 7 SAG

Sunset Gower 125

Universal 220 + 4 SAG

Warners 195


A WGAW strike captain sent this email to his picketers: "I heard from someone who works in Fox Television that the honking horns were driving all the executives crazy. They were screaming in the halls about it, and couldn't get any work done. SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!"

See this fan tribute to Joss Whedon on the occasion of the writers strike. Also in his honor, the fans delivered pizza to the picketing writers at Universal in Los Angeles.

TV fans are contacting me for a way they can donate funds to the striking writers.

I can do more rumor-busting. Today urgent emails circulated claiming that Heroes hotshot Tim Kring was "fired" by NBC. A source close to him told me tonight Kring was "stunned" by this rumor. "Couldn't be farther from the truth. Honestly." The insider thinks the rumor came from Kring's decision to honor the strike this week and walk the picket line. "Maybe somehow that came out as some kind of contention with his employers. It's obviously not aimed at the people at the network and studio with whom he has such a wonderful working relationship. I know how it looks to be picketing your own network and show, but it's really about making a stand with his fellow writers over what he believes are some very serious issues. Hope that clears it up for you."

UPDATE: I have more Shonda Rhimes news. (See my previous posting here.) I and others have been sent an email from the creator and executive producer and writer of ABC's Grey's Anatomy and Private Practice about her support for the strike. "I have to tell all of you that this email directly reflects the stance I came to over a very long night in New York. I absolutely believed that I would edit our episodes. Until a thought hit me: how can I walk a picket line and then continue to essentially work? How am I supposed to look at myself in the mirror or look at my child years from now and know that I did not have the courage of my convictions to stand up and put myself more at risk than anyone else? So I choose not to render my services as a producer. I choose to honor the strike. And I am proud that you all stand with me. Shonda"

The Daily Show’s John Oliver was walking the picket lines early this morning and gave an interview to NPR mentioning that Jon Stewart has promised to picket at some point this week. The WGAE line tomorrow is in Long Island City at Silvercup Studios.

Best chant of the day was at CBS Radford: "MORE MONEY - LESS MOONVES!"

At Raleigh Studio Manhattan Beach, I heard there was a strong turnout from the writing staffs of CSI: Miami, Medium, Boston Legal, and Psych. Patricia Arquette of Medium delivered Starbucks coffee and pastries to the writers on the picket lines. I heard Teamsters from CSI: Miami honored the picket line but some from Medium did not. One driver crossed the line with a busload of background extras.

Also at Raleigh Studios Manhattan Beach, picketers stationed at the main gate were approached by the manager of the lot and informed that they were not allowed to picket there because it wasn't a "registered" gate. He explained that the main gate is not used by employees who work on the shows run by the studios protested, but only used by guests to the lot. They even put up a makeshift sign that stated that the employees of CBS Paramount, 20th Century Fox and several other studios do not use that gate. The picketers initially protested the request to leave because many have worked on that lot for the last few years and entered to work "every single day" through that gate. According to one of the strikers, "It wasn't until we saw the manager of the facility talking to a Teamster from CSI: Miami that we realized that this was because the Teamsters wouldn't cross our picket line, and CSI: Miami was scheduled to be on location for part of their day. Eventually we were forced to move when they threatened to involve the authorities. "


  1. November 5, 2007

    To Our Fellow Members,

    Allow me to congratulate all of you on Monday’s action. Our members executed 14 pickets throughout Southern California with over 3,000 writers. Many of the lines were joined by other Hollywood union members especially SAG actors and Teamsters. Writing has stopped and, with nearly every TV showrunner walking the line, television production has been overwhelmingly hampered. The effort began at 5 am when the writers of The Office set up a line at their studio and Teamster drivers refused to cross it, shutting the production down for the day. This kind of collective action is unprecedented in Writers Guild history.

    Our strike has made international news, and we have received support and acknowledgements from WGA members worldwide. Aside from SAG and the Teamsters, other unions are lining up to support us including Local 1877 SEIU, HERE Local 11, the ILWU, the National Writers Union (a UAW local), UHW-SEIU, and our sister Guilds in Canada, Australia, Great Britain, and New Zealand. We have received public statements of support from numerous political figures including Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

    I want to express my personal thanks to all of you who picketed and to the individuals and institutions that are expressing support. I managed to get to nine of the lines today, and I was warmly received at each, and for that I am additionally grateful and touched. I will try to get to the others tomorrow.

    Let me now address an issue which I know is on the minds of many — our decision to remove DVD from the table, a decision which was met with significant disappointment and even anger from many of our members. The reason for that decision was strategic and followed several back-channel assurances that, if DVDs were dropped, we would be able to make sufficient progress in new media so that a strike could be averted. This offer, combined with our desire to do everything within our power to make a good deal without a strike (by removing management’s strike issue), as well as some small movement at the bargaining table early on Sunday, provoked our decision to make that move. Unfortunately, the response we got was not as promised and management broke off talks before our new media proposals were seriously addressed. Our new comprehensive proposal (including the DVD removal) was presented in an off-the-record session: our new proposal was then rejected. Based on what I saw and heard on the picket lines today, therefore, all bets are off and what we achieve in this negotiation will be a function of how much we are willing to fight to get our fair share of the residuals of the future, no matter how they are delivered.

    As we continue to picket tomorrow I am hopeful that our collective power will convince our employers to return to the table, offer us a good contract, and end this strike quickly. With that hope in mind, I know that we are all in this together.

    Patric M. Verrone
    President, WGAW

    Comment by D — November 5, 2007 @ 11:12 pm

  2. Love the line at CBS Radford. Keep up the good work Nikki.

    Comment by Jessy S. — November 5, 2007 @ 11:18 pm

  3. I was very happy with the huge turnout at Warner Bros today. I’ll be back tomorrow and picketing all day.

    Comment by anonymous writer — November 5, 2007 @ 11:47 pm

  4. We had some SAG supporters out the Colfax Gate! Thanks guys!

    Comment by Erik S. — November 5, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

  5. Keep it up! The honking is driving them NUTS.

    Get it? NUTS?

    Comment by Picketing Universal — November 5, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

  6. This strike is going to last a very long time.

    I’m a working writer. I support the strike. I was out on the lines today. I will be out on the lines tomorrow and in the foreseeable future. That said, I really hope we all know what we’re getting ourselves into here.

    This strike will be long. And it will get ugly for us long before it gets ugly for them. But we’ve made our move, and hopefully we can convince enough people to stick with us long enough to make it all worthwhile.

    Comment by Hyphenate — November 6, 2007 @ 12:13 am

  7. Good turnout at the Disney lot today, I hope you guys keep it up as this goes on rather than dwindling. I’m on the business side of the studio, so am management and will be going to work each day, but am sympathetic to the strike. And I’m not the only one.

    But I want to know what’s up with the 9-5 official schedule. A lot of us, from executives to assistants, get to work before 9 and work well past 5 every day. If you’re only picketing 9-5 a lot of people won’t even see you. I’m not sure when the lines started at Disney today - I arrived a little after 9 because I stopped to buy Krispy Kremes to leave with the strikers at my gate - but I hope you’re showing up earlier than 9 to get noticed by as many people as possible.

    Best wishes on a fast and fair resolution writers.

    Comment by Sympathetic Suit — November 6, 2007 @ 12:26 am

  8. To all the writers out there walking the picket lines stand strong and wear comfortable shoes!

    Comment by Erik B-H — November 6, 2007 @ 12:41 am

  9. The fans are behind you, writers. Let us know what we can do to help.

    Nikki, can you post a list of what shows’ writers are picketing where? ‘Cause I totally want to order some pizza deliveries to those folks. Can you get beer delivered in LA? :D

    Comment by neverenoughjam — November 6, 2007 @ 12:48 am

  10. I can tell you that many fans feel for the writers and we’re in support of the writers. We have a bigger place now than we did twenty years ago and we intend to show our support and let our voice be heard, too. For me, personally, I want to be there at the picketing myself. I don’t live in LA, but outside in the IE, and I have difficulties getting over there. However, if there’s anything I can do/offer, I want to do it.

    A million thank yous for the rumor busting. The rumor about Kring had a lot of us fans very concerned.

    Comment by A Heroes Fan — November 6, 2007 @ 1:15 am

  11. Just so you know Sympathetic Suit, the plan is to try to distrupt production as much as possible not to be seen by as many people as possible. The suits know that you writers are striking, but it doesn’t help when there are people picketing longer hours just so that Les Moonves would get the joy of walking through the picket line on the way to work. By picketing in 4 hour shifts and over an 8 hour day, the WGA is actually increasing their pool of strikers.

    Comment by Jessy S. — November 6, 2007 @ 1:23 am

  12. “The above photo is from picketing at Fox. I was told that strikers were “enjoying” how they were able to tie up lines of cars trying to get in and out of one of the studio’s garages there, especially around lunchtime. Then again, the picketers also realized that the folks who park there aren’t the studio CEOs and top execs who all come in the Pico entrance.”

    I was one of the writers picketing at the entrance/exit to the Galaxy lot at Fox yesterday, helping to tie up the lines of cars trying to get in and out of the garage. I can tell you that I was not, under any circumstances, “enjoying” it at all, nor were my fellow writers. We didn’t want to be there. We wanted to be at work, pitching jokes, doing the job we love to do. If only the Alliance would give us four more cents for every $20 DVD we wrote (and if the Alliance would give us more than the zero cents they currently give us when they a webstream a show or movie that we wrote) we would *be* at work, starting today. The studios make, literally, billions of dollars a year in pure profit off of the shows and millions we write… they can afford four more cents. They can afford to make a fair deal. It’s just that they don’t *want* to… not to the writers, nor to the actors, directors, ADs, editors, drivers, or anyone else. And be assured, if they break the writers, it’s the rest of that list that the Alliance will be coming after next. Not ’cause they have to. Just because they can.

    So, anyway, no, we weren’t “enjoying” being on strike at that Galaxy lot entrance. But we’ll be there again and again, impeding production as best we can, until the Studios cut us a fair deal… a fair deal that sets a precedent for more fair deals for our sister guilds and unions throughout this industry.

    Patrick Meighan
    Culver City, CA

    p.s.: I realize that most of the Fox suits and brass enter and exit off the Pico gate. If we could tie that gate up, believe me, we’d be doing it. That gate has a stop light and a crosswalk, however, which means it’s actually illegal to be standing in the driveway, impeding traffic, after the “Don’t Walk” sign starts flashing. At the Galaxy gate, by contrast, there’s no crosswalk or stop light, which means that pedestrians (and strikers) have a legal right to walk back and forth on the sidewalk across the driveway, gumming up entrances and exits for brief periods, impeding (however slightly and imperfectly) whatever productions may be in progress inside.

    Comment by Patrick Meighan — November 6, 2007 @ 5:07 am

  13. Good Morning Nikki

    Thanks for the awesome continued coverage…keep up the good work.

    Is there any way we rank and file fans can support the WGA East writers? Addresses of where they’re picketing so that we can send them letters of support or drop by with food, coffee, bad weather gear or just generally cheer them on? Please post them…we want to help too!

    I know of a lot of folks out here in my decidedly rural area (my county in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia has less than 40,000 people in it but damn near everyone here watches TV or movies for their entertainment) that would strike against their employers if it didn’t mean their jobs would get shipped off to China or India (heck most of them that could go have gone already) or worse that the business would totally close forever and never come back. I also know some below the line people who are going to suffer the longer production is stopped but frankly they have even less power to do what the writers are doing and if the writers don’t try (or for that matter the actors and directors in June when their contracts are due) then the whole industry is going to be lost to utter greed and the incompetence of studio executives.

    Anyways this Law & Order CI fan is here to help…just let us know how we can support the writers and if necessary the below the line people who are suffering.

    Comment by VDOVault — November 6, 2007 @ 5:14 am

  14. Gotta love hollywood, it’s the only place where the picket lines take Starbucks runs…

    Comment by Anonymous — November 6, 2007 @ 6:22 am

  15. Not all the Fox bigwigs used the main gate. I was among the dozen or so writers picketing the obscure “Gate Three” on Ave. Of The Stars where Peter Chernin tried to sneak in at around 9:30 AM with a little smirk on his face.

    As clever as the CBS chant was, it played badly on the NBC Nightly News, where the “Less Moonves” part didn’t quite register. So, unfortunately for our image, an audience of millions saw a bunch of greedy writers screaming “More Money!”

    Comment by fox writer — November 6, 2007 @ 6:23 am

  16. I wanted to third the support of many devoted TV fans for our writers(and the rest of the creative staff who are enduring this as well). You should read how amazing those Whedonesque people are, and all their plans to try and support you. I’m sure they’d love to know whether ads in the Times or weekly food drops would be spirit-lifting or a combo of both.
    Equally, might I also suggest talking to TWOP? While some in the tv critic industry are sadly backward and Quisling-y(cough MA at TVguide cough), I’m sure you could easily use the love of fans for the good of your cause. Many writers and showrunners have already spoken to us in the past about their shows, and I’m sure a little talk about this would do wonders. We all know tv fans, unlike the losers who are trolling this board spewing their venom, are as devoted to your work as you are, despite our habitually snarking on the plot twists et al, but as the motto of TWOP sums it up the best, we snark because we care, and I’m sure many of us support you in this. So tell us how we can help you, especially if we’re not in NYC/LA area, but as people like me are, in one of those flyover states:).
    Oh, and another nice little shout-out/summary of news from the fan side is on Ain’t Cool’s summary page

    Comment by rebelqueen — November 6, 2007 @ 6:30 am

  17. I walked the morning picket at Raleigh ManBeach. I had a local who was a teacher on disability come up and say she supported the writers and hoped we were as united as her union had been in the past. She also said that the gate we were picketing had, to her knowledge, never been open or used in the last ten years.

    Also a couple of engineer from nearby Northrop Grumman asked questions and wished us luck.

    Heard several UPS drivers wouldn’t enter. They have their own tough labor history.

    Spirits were high. Hope they stay that way.

    Comment by StudsTerkelFan — November 6, 2007 @ 7:21 am

  18. I just want Shonda Rhimes on the picket line holding a sign that says “No fair share on internet? SERIOUSLY?”

    To my fellow writers: stay strong.

    Comment by Alice Writer — November 6, 2007 @ 7:23 am

  19. All of this is just making me sick. I can tell you the pain and suffering the WGA wants to inflict is hitting the wrong people. The people most hurt are the below the line crew, who don’t make any residuals or share in any licensing or merchandising. Thousands of production designers, costume designers, directors of photography, line producers, editors, etc. will be struggling long before Les Moonves feels any financial pain. The others who will be hurt are the support staff at the agencies, studios and production companies. I read the blogs debating if the show runners get 100K or 30K per episode, well the support staff is lucky to get 30K per year. These people won’t even be able to get jobs waiting tables because all the expense accounts are cut off and soon the restaurants will be feeling the hit. If there is no pilot season this 08, then the networks will load up on reality and watch in 09 as there will be less and less new series produced and potential jobs for writers and crew.
    The WGA likens themselves to the little guys fighting the big monster studios. Well, the above the line people are the elite. You don’t hear of any below the line people earning 4 million per picture like Paul Haggis. Nice that he can affort not to work after a payday like that.
    Isn’t it cute that well known actors are buying Starbucks and pizza for the striking writers. Who is delivering food and rent money to everyone else that is out of work now?

    Both sides are acting like spoiled children. Nikki you were so right when you said that this is business. Both sides need to put their emotions aside and look at the bigger picture. When the commercial actors went on strike years ago, the industry never recovered, commercial production dried up and didn’t return. Let’s not see that happen to all the people working in the trenches who depend on film and tv to feed their families. In this strike, that’s who loses.

    Comment by karen — November 6, 2007 @ 7:31 am

  20. question-

    how do you apply for the strike fund?
    I’m a youngster to the whole walkout thang.

    Comment by bullhorn — November 6, 2007 @ 7:40 am

  21. neverenoughjam –

    You can get info on where the picketing action through the WGA’s site - wga.org - I think drinking in public is against the law? lol…

    sympathetic suit –

    From what I’ve heard, there are tactical reasons why they pickets go from 9-5p…

    Comment by Alex - the assistant/wannabe — November 6, 2007 @ 8:04 am

  22. To my fellow writers…if you are on the fence, and not really sure you want to join a picket line…trust me I know how you feel. I was hesitant too. I’m not as militant as some others in the Guild, but I do believe in our cause, and that’s why I decided to picket yesterday at Raleigh Studios in Manhattan Beach. There was a strong feeling of solidarity, and I met a lot of really cool writers from a wide range of backgrounds. We traded war stories, talked about our paths into this business, and generally kept each other’s spirits up. I hate to sound all corny…but it made me feel like I was a part of something bigger than my own interests. You might feel the same way.

    Comment by A-Dub — November 6, 2007 @ 8:32 am

  23. First of all, I support the strike. I do just want to let people know that when strikers disrupt business in areas surrounding the studios innocent people are negatively affected. It’s one thing to picket the areas near the gates, but to go to a surrounding neighborhood isn’t fair to innocent bystanders who are just trying to live their lives. Think about that before acting.

    Comment by an innocent neighbor — November 6, 2007 @ 8:33 am

  24. “How do you negotiate with people you can’t trust?”


    Comment by Bouncing Castle — November 6, 2007 @ 8:38 am

  25. I can’t believe I’m admitting this… but I called the Governator’s main office before hitting the lines yesterday.

    Political office folk do listen, so I figured, “F’it. I didn’t vote for the guy, but I’ve paid for, oh, just about every one of his flicks since CONAN. I’ll lob him a call.”

    His rep was very kind and took my statement. I basically said, “Have him look into this conflict, would you? The guy can get on the phone with anyone he wants to.”

    I also told the rep that Arnie is probably the only politician in the country who could understand or enter this conflict… because he’s generated BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars for the studio chiefs. Then I said, “Please remind the governor about all the WGA members who helped him get to the Promised Land.”

    (It’s my humble opinion that cooler heads - in the back channels - will prevail. Eventually. Hopefully before Easter. Why not Arnie?)

    I’ll go hide in the corner now.

    Comment by BJS — November 6, 2007 @ 8:40 am

  26. While I fully support your efforts, I will be laid off from my show next week. I won’t be getting 1/2 checks like the cast will be getting. I only hope that on day 100 there is as much passion and press as there was on day one. I plead with the WGA leaders to at least start talking again. The strike gives the studios ample tax write-off capabilities. Good luck, but I am scared to death I’ll lose everything. And I’m sure this Episode 11 is the last one this season. Question: when will I come back to work? Next July? 2010?

    Comment by Julius Fort — November 6, 2007 @ 8:40 am

  27. “The fans are behind you, writers. Let us know what we can do to help.”

    Don’t watch the major network, mid-season reality/replacement shows.

    Comment by BJS — November 6, 2007 @ 8:43 am

  28. Where is the federal negotiator? If he had the power to call a meeting on Sunday, doesn’t he have that power now?

    The moguls aren’t going to move until they are ready, and they won’t be ready until they’ve been able to clean house due to force majeure. Waiting for those 30 to 45 days has the added benefit of thinning out the picket lines and weakening resolve on the union side.

    I’m going to keep walking but someone with a cooler head needs to step in now.

    Comment by tired feet — November 6, 2007 @ 8:48 am

  29. I am stuck in the middle with nothing to gain. I am an IATSE member in post (one hour dramas) and on Monday our employer had to suspend our work guarantees. I am very worried about supporting my family and keeping our home that we built over the last few years. I can not weather this very long. Is there any relief afforded to IATSE members? We only have the work that is in front of us to be paid from and I have worked over two decades to be able to contribute to telling some wonderful stories written by WGA folks. I am very scared about surviving this - I don’t know what else I can do to earn at the moment.

    All that said, I support the WGA in gettling a fair contract and a fair precedent to move forward from at this time. Please understand, many of us not benefiting from this contract could easily be economically ruined and unable to continue in this career we love.

    Comment by JE — November 6, 2007 @ 8:56 am

  30. This is great! United we stand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WRITERS GO!!!!!

    Comment by Enza — November 6, 2007 @ 9:05 am

  31. Regarding the pic of Robert Patrick… I don’t mean to be a dick, but I think you’re sending mixed signals when you’re striking with that much bling going on. Seriously.

    Comment by Enrique — November 6, 2007 @ 9:15 am

  32. Hollywood moguls take pride in being dealmakers yet they can’t make a deal to share even a thin slice of an increasing growing revenue pie. I guess their not the dealmakers we thought they were. Time to start dumping the entertainment stocks! Game shows and reality TV don’t sell well on DVD at the end of the season like a HEROES or 24 so their cash flow is going to tank. SELL SELL SELL!!!

    Comment by A Reader — November 6, 2007 @ 9:17 am

  33. FYI, Sandra Oh is honoring the picket line. Grey’s will not finish Ep. 411. I hope that helps a bit. Also, IATSE crew members will be marching at lunch with the writers in solidarity.

    Comment by anonymous — November 6, 2007 @ 10:18 am

  34. Without writers no one in this industry has a job let alone a career. An industry that makes billions of dollars a year and treats their writers - CREATORS of this billion dollar industy - like shit should be ashamed of themselves. Stop whining about the strike and get out there and support the WGA in their efforts. The sooner they have everyone’s support who collects a paycheck in this industry the sooner everyone will be able to go back to work!

    Comment by A friend — November 6, 2007 @ 10:35 am

  35. Nikki, you’re making a big mistake not listing dissenting comments. Fans will not support this strike. Elites putting the working class out of work don’t elicit sympathy from viewers east of the 405 and west of Central Park East. The WGA has an institutional bias against most of ordinary America. We’re tired of being condescended to by movie writers. The studios are going to try and break these unions. They can take their business elsewhere; Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Tennessee, Texas, North Carolina, Eastern Europe. Writers, wake up. No one in entertainment is indispensible.

    Comment by leah — November 6, 2007 @ 11:01 am

  36. aloha from hawaii - dhd is great! good luck writers - anybody tell me why the news writers can still degenerate material for news shows, etc?

    mahalo, patrick

    Comment by lanikaisugarco — November 6, 2007 @ 11:07 am

  37. I’m sorry but I’m an outsider looking in. Let me say first that I really support what the writers are trying to do.

    Maybe I am naive but I don’t understand something. When someone say’s John Stewart will picket “sometime this week”, that strikes me rather badly. I mean, here’s the guy who sits in front of a camera and reads every day what his writers put in his mouth and he can’t get out of his porsche long enough to support them? Is there something I am missing here?

    Yes, I am picking on John. But that’s mainly because his show is first effected, survives only on the talent of the writers (no action sequences or fancy CGI manipulation) and, let’s be frank, pretty darn liberal. If anyone should be first out there supporting writers, I would think it would be him. If more front line actors got out and supported the strike, then maybe something would really be done.

    If I am wrong on this, please let me know. To me, the writers are the real stars of movies, tv, literature, commercials, etc. Without them, it’s just a sports event or some silly reality program of manipulated video segments edited together to create a false sense of excitment.

    I would like to say that I am really sorry for the other guys behind the camera who are effected by this. All they get is an empty pay check and more production outsourced out of the country.

    Comment by bob — November 6, 2007 @ 11:18 am

  38. I am happy some of the crew and “below the line” people are beginning to post… you know the people who don’t get ANY residuals – and have everything to loose from this strike. No one seems to talk about them. How about all of the overhead deals that were suspended yesterday – so that people who aren’t even ON shows found out they have no job – no warning – nothing – just – poof… sorry… you’re gone!

    And I am SO sorry that Shawn Ryan will have to miss his WRAP party if the strike isn’t done in time – I know that is going to be really tough on him – but you’re kidding right?

    Dress it up any way you like – but this is about GREED plain and simple – the fear of not getting what you want – or loosing something you already have. Right before the holidays – in a weak economy – let’s have a strike - brillllllllient.

    So go on cheer people like Shawn and the people who bring the strikers Starbucks… but let’s not kid ourselves… there is nothing Nobel here… this issue isn’t about human rights – this is not about a FAIR wage for an impoverished people – this is not about the HAVE NOTS – this is about the HAVES – who want more. We just make it look pretty – we’re Hollywood!

    Comment by you're kidding right? — November 6, 2007 @ 11:27 am

  39. As a member of SAG, I certainly support all Union actions to get a fair contract. I just dont understand how many lives we have to destroy in order to get a few more pennies. Once a strike is over, all of those above the line folks who state they are doing this for the benefit of the rest of us are going to rush in and take all the jobs, leaving all the rest of us behind. Yet, everytime there is a strike they say it is for guild, and expect us to carry it all so they can continue to make house payments.

    I sometimes feel that people in this town wont be happy until they push every piece of work out of los angeles forever. Commercial work never came back after the strike. The militant members who encourage us to strike suddenly gobbled up all the work after the strike ended, SIX MONTHS LATER, and it never recovered.

    Get back to the bargaining table and take care of business. Writers are no more important that the thousands of other people that make a successful project work!

    Comment by john — November 6, 2007 @ 11:48 am

  40. I’m fully on the side of the studios here. They certainly aren’t saints but they have a right to run their businesses the way they wish and to pay what the market dictates, not the unions. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. My hope is that all the striking writers get fired and the studios hire a new batch of non union writers with a common sense compensation model, from most of the dreck on TV the quality of writing can’t be much worse. The WGA cares not one bit for all of the other industry people that are being hurt by this strike. Enjoy your snacks from Vanessa Williams while they last, its time for people who want to write to write, the others can go flip burgers.

    Comment by RealityCheck — November 6, 2007 @ 12:00 pm

  41. I’m sorry but I can’t help but feel that 3000 people is lame, when twice that voted to authorize the strike. And judging from the picket line at Paramount today, the writers have already lost their sense of urgency. How does WGA expect to garner support from their hardworking below the line crew when they can’t bother to go out and picket?

    Comment by IATSE GUY — November 6, 2007 @ 12:02 pm

  42. “The fans are behind you, writers. Let us know what we can do to help.”

    “Don’t watch the major network, mid-season reality/replacement shows.

    Comment by BJS — November 6, 2007 @ 8:43 am?

    What if we fans have a TV black out. Like I don’t know next Thursday where we turn our TVs off between the hours of 8 and 11. That will piss off the advertisers, and show the networks the fans are behind you. Couldn’t someone organize this. I am a fan, I’m actually enjoying this season. I don’t want it to end. I WILL stop watching network TV when the shows stop. I hate reality TV with a passion. Thank god for Buffy on DVD, and Grey’s on DVD, and video games and Star Wars on DVD. And I suppose I could read too. Shiver….

    Comment by Vickie: afan — November 6, 2007 @ 12:17 pm

  43. I’m fully on the side of the studios here. They certainly aren’t saints but they have a right to run their businesses the way they wish and to pay what the market dictates, not the unions. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. My hope is that all the striking writers get fired and the studios hire a new batch of non union writers with a common sense compensation model, from most of the dreck on TV the quality of writing can’t be much worse. The WGA cares not one bit for all of the other industry people that are being hurt by this strike. Enjoy your snacks from Vanessa Williams, its time for people who want to write to write, the others can go flip burgers.

    Comment by RealityCheck — November 6, 2007 @ 12:27 pm

  44. Karen-

    This strike isn’t about the Paul Haggis’ and the Marc Cherry’s. You’re right, they are set for life. But that isn’t the norm. The average writer is making 42 grand a year. That’s more then what I make, but it still isn’t nearly the cushy job everyone is making it out to be. For someone who may only write a few dozen episodes of a show for scale those additional 4 cents per DVD is a huge deal.

    Yes, the big named guys are the ones who are getting the attention. But that’s doesn’t mean the strike is about greedy show runners and producers. They had the power to negotiate compensation deals their individual contracts. It’s about the staff writers and spec guys who bust their humps to get one or two scripts on the air. If they happen to write one episode that become the most downloaded show in the history of the internet, shouldn’t they see something for that?

    Comment by Missy — November 6, 2007 @ 1:00 pm

  45. Wow. It’s half-way through day two, and no new news. What does that tell you? How long before there are just two strikers out in front of abandoned TV studios?

    Comment by BB — November 6, 2007 @ 1:05 pm

  46. If you are pissed that you’re being laid off, consider directing some of your worry and indignation at the AMPTP which refuses to create a reasonable deal for writers. We know we get paid well. We know that some of us get paid a lot more than most of the below the line people. It is in the nature of show biz to create stars. But most of us are not stars. We do not get paid millions. We are working artists enjoying a nice living after years of going into debt and struggling to break into the business. Some of us were assistants for over ten years before we ever sold a script. We know what it is like to make $500/wk or less.

    We don’t want to be striking. We cannot take this deal. This deal sells us and the next generation of writers up the river. We have to make a stand. And many of us are making the very difficult to choice to continue production and cross lines simply to keep below the line working as long as possible.

    The moguls aren’t stepping up to take care of you. They do not give a shit. They want you to suffer so it breaks the morale of the writers who are striking and who do care about their crews.

    I am very sorry that this is happening to you guys. You didn’t ask for this any more than I did. But when I joined the guild in 2003 they warned me that there may have to be a strike in 2007. This was never a secret. I knew that if I chose to work in this profession I would need to make arrangements to weather the storm. We all knew this day was coming. I would go on set and the gaffers would tell me all about it when I was a newbie staff writer.

    The one way to avert this was for the AMPTP to be reasonable. We have been reasonable. We have pulled deal point after deal point off the table. Now we have to withhold our services. It’s the way of capitalism.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 6, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

  47. Does anybody happen to know what the WGA stance is on reality show “creative consultants”/”story editors”?

    Comment by young reality guy — November 6, 2007 @ 1:29 pm

  48. Fill in the blanks:

    “__(1)___ sold millions of dollars worth of ____(2)______ off the back of our content, and made a lot of money. They did not want to share in what they were making.

    1 = The networks
    2 = advertising

    Wrong! It was:

    1 = Apple
    2 = hardware

    Who said it? Jeff Zucker, the head of NBC Universal! !Last week!!

    Umm, Jeff… know what irony is? Of course not. Yet another reason you need writers.

    Comment by Klaatu — November 6, 2007 @ 1:49 pm

  49. I was out there again on the picket lines today (Tuesday). Still a good strong force out there. Thanks to everyone for the honks and the support. And thanks to the aspiring screenwriters who aren’t even in the Guild yet for coming out and joining us on the line. Every single “Starbucks writer” (and I was one of them) should come out and join us. Fight for your future now.

    Comment by Steelo — November 6, 2007 @ 1:54 pm

  50. Since about 2% of the WGA makes about 90% of the money, doesn’t that mean that 90% of any strike gains will go to the top 2% of A-listers and showrunners?

    They’re the only ones who can afford a long strike anyway.

    I sympathize with the WGA’s position - but this seems to me an argument between millionaires.

    The rank and file will see little benefit from this strike, if any, and may go broke if they have to spend the next 6 months out of work.

    It’s not enough to have moral authority, you must also have the power. The writers may have the moral high ground, but the studios have the power.

    I’ll be happy for Paul Haggis if he makes millions more in residuals off those Bond movies, but one wonders what benefits there are for people who are not Paul Haggis, and whether those benefits are worth being out of work for months, losing your deals and having your show/movie canned.

    Comment by not Paul Haggis — November 6, 2007 @ 2:19 pm

  51. I am a fan living in Indianapolis, and I support the writers. I hate that my favorite shows are going to be messed up, but there is a much bigger concept of what is right as opposed to what is wrong that needs to be addressed.

    To show how wide spread the support for the writers is, my friends and I (from Ohio and England) sent sandwiches to the striking writers today.

    I hope that the writers can stay strong and hold their ground.

    Comment by Chadini — November 6, 2007 @ 2:31 pm

  52. Dear Reality Check:

    My hope is that all the striking writers get fired and the studios hire a new batch of non union writers with a common sense compensation model, from most of the dreck on TV the quality of writing can’t be much worse.

    You do realize that the dreck you see on TV is what you get after the studios and networks give the writers note upon note upon note, right? I’ve seen good scripts shat upon because there weren’t enough “sexy women in bras”. I welcome fresh blood to the industry, being fresh blood myself, but if you think you’ll suddenly create better TV, please know that your script will be molded into what studios and networks think America wants.

    A good read on this is “A Martian Wouldn’t Say That (and other notes from networks)” by Diane L. Robinson

    Comment by Not Rich Weiter — November 6, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

  53. All you writers who stand on the picket lines are serious jokers. You can stand out there with your signs, make a lot of noise, cheer at the horns, but you’re doing way more harm than good.

    For you writers out there who are produced, you’re paid well enough up front already and are being downright greedy. For those of you unproduced, what do you have to yell about? You’re either not talented enough to get residuals to begin with, or if you were you’d already be getting paid well enough, therefore making you…you guessed it…GREEDY.

    You go on and on about how none of this would exist without you, because you are the writers, the great idea creators, but that’s false. Film and TV is created by many many individuals who you so happened to be singlehandedly screwing over. You’re no better than anyone else who works on a production. It takes EVERYONE to get the job done, not just you, you egotistical selfish writers. You want to shut the industry down? Who do you think you are? The studios hire you. You don’t hire the studios.

    Shawn Ryan, you may be the biggest joker of them all. Cry me a river man. If you didn’t have health benefits or a retirement plan, maybe I could understand your griping (yet, not a strike). But you do. You are living THE life. There are people all over the world you have nothing, and you’re getting impassioned over pennies? What a joker.

    This strike better end very soon so other people’s financial lives don’t go into crisis mode. If not, you’re going to find out all too soon that you’re in a far minority of cry babies who everyone will shun if they don’t already. YOU ARE ALL REPLACEABLE. You’re not artists. You’re in a union that likes to hear the sound of its own voice. Just because your job is to create drama on the page doesn’t mean you need to do that in real life.

    Comment by Strike this! — November 6, 2007 @ 2:42 pm

  54. KLAATU - awesome point - bottom line point — maybe nbcu wants part of tv sets that sell too. brilliant.

    Comment by lanikaisugarco — November 6, 2007 @ 2:45 pm

  55. Note to RealityCheck: Let me address your comments one at a time:

    “I’m fully on the side of the studios here. They certainly aren’t saints but they have a right to run their businesses the way they wish and to pay what the market dictates, not the unions.”

    They do have that right, but if their employees perceive they are being cheated, they have to right to strike. If someone made millions from one of your ideas and you only made pennies, wouldn’t you consider that unfair? You would only be protected if you had a contract, which is what the writers are trying to do.

    “My hope is that all the striking writers get fired and the studios hire a new batch of non union writers with a common sense compensation model, from most of the dreck on TV the quality of writing can’t be much worse.”

    The quality of what’s on TV or in the theaters is beside the point. Some of the worst “dreck” imaginable makes huge profits for the studios — just look at the recent slew torture flicks — nevertheless, the creators of that dreck should get a percentage of the gross. What’s more, much of the dreck is the studios’ own fault — they note writers to death in the development process. And they are the ones who decide what to put on the air.

    “The WGA cares not one bit for all of the other industry people that are being hurt by this strike.”

    The WGA is trying to set a precedent for all artists in the entertainment industry by fighting for compensation in new media. To suggest they don’t care about anyone else is just plain stupid.

    Will S.

    Comment by Will S. — November 6, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

  56. It is not just about the moguls, that concept passed away oh, at least 10 years ago.

    Look at who really owns the media:

    GE + NBC
    National Amusements + CBS
    Disney + ABC
    News Corp + FOX
    Time Warner + (Under new management and possibly broken up)

    Heck the CW is a networks screaming for a writer’s helping hand: CBS + WB = CW…This is the best management could come up with!?!

    The so called moguls are just sock puppets for their true corporate overlords.

    Comment by Peter Lee — November 6, 2007 @ 3:24 pm

  57. You don’t have to worry about production going out of the country any more… even with aggressive tax incentives, the death spiral of the US Dollar has finally made America the cheapest place to produce film and television. The Bush administration actually screwed up the economy so badly it became good. Maybe there’s still hope for Iraq.

    I digress, keep striking, they need you more than you need them! Good writers are NOT a dime a dozen.

    Comment by Anthony — November 6, 2007 @ 3:30 pm

  58. I am not sure that everyone is comprehending that the writer’s are providing a service for which they are being paid. The $250,000 rewrite is compensation (and more than fair) for their writing, and all of the things over which the WGA is putting their writer’s, and the below-the-line workers, out of work fails to acknowledge this.

    This would be like a contractor who, after being paid $100,000 to add a room to your house; also wants X% of the price when you sell the house. After all, you would not have gotten as much money for the sale of the house if he hadn’t built that room!!! Well … ummm … no … you were hired, you were paid.

    Normally, if an actor wants a bigger piece of the back end, they give up on the front end. I am not sure when the last time scale was REDUCED in exchange for anything. Is a reduction in scale on the table?

    Comment by I don't get it — November 6, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

  59. I’m Curious

    Writers expect/hope below the liners will support the strike and not go to work. The reality of the situation is the writers have already been paid for the shows the BTL’s are working on. So are those writers going to pay the people who decide to support them?

    No, that would be silly

    You got paid for the scripts being shot right now, if you really wanted to shut down the town you should have stopped writing at least 2 weeks BEFORE the strike. I heard today 51 movies are starting up. 51! A bunch of writers made a bunch of money, shouldn’t everyone else? I mean it is all about “fair share” right?

    Comment by Curious — November 6, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

  60. One more time:

    Residuals help the STUDIOS, not the writers. Writers defer a good portion of their salary in order to give the studios a chance to succeed with a show. Writers shoulder some of the risk.

    They could pay the writers all of their money up front, but it would be bad for them. Instead they set up a system to defer some of it. Now they want to eliminate the defered portion, thereby cutting salaries.

    Writers, actors, and directors ALL have some of their salary defered. If a show fails (ie. doesn’t last long enough to rerun or sell internationally or sell on DVD or sell on the Internet), then those people don’t get the rest of their salaries.

    Executives get paid either way. Their salaries ($25-30 million per yesr in the case of the media company CEOs) are paid upfront.

    Comment by Klaatu — November 6, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

  61. I don’t get it:

    don’t think real estate. Think books. Think: a writer gets paid when the book is reprinted. A writer gets paid when the book goes into paperback. This is the way that writing works.

    When a commercial is recut and footage is reused, the actor is paid again. When a commercial is used after the initial cycle for which the actor has been paid is over, the actor gets paid again. This is the way that acting works. Like writing, a percentage of the initial fee is figured to compensate for profitable reuse.

    And by the way? Writers reduce on the front end all the time. Look at cable. Top writers with many years of experience, who would receive a large paycheck for a pilot, slash their rates to well below what a first time writer would make for a pilot on network. We’re talking less than half. This is a calculated risk they take in order to work in a less censored environment, and they stand to make up their risk on the back end.

    It’s Hollywood, people. Want a sob story? Go elsewhere. We didn’t come here to be freedom fighters. We came here to make the most watched media in the world. If you don’t show some balls in these types of negotiations you might as well stay home and write the great american novel. Because Hollywood is a money machine. So quit acting so insulted, like you’ve never heard about “the business of show” and its ways before.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

  62. To I Don’t Get it:

    It was just said above, but I’ll throw in a couple more examples. Great point, when a novelist’s book gets reprinted, or translated into another language, he gets a fee. He’s paid an upfront advance, and then more when the book sells. If it doesn’t sell well, he doesn’t make more.

    When a song gets played on radio, or covered by another band, or played at a half-time performance, that songwriter gets a royalty payment. Big song? Big payment. You want “Hotel California”? Check with Don Henley. It’s gonna cost you.

    If an artist has prints sold of one of her paintings, she gets a fee, a royalty, a cut.

    This is not about a guy building an extra room on your house or a “plumber fixing your toilet” (to quote Nikki). This is about artists as part of the team that puts a profitable story into the world where lots of money can be made. The writer is part of the team. When George Lucas typed “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…” an entire industry was born. Countless jobs created. Lots of people have made a lot of money from “Star Wars.” Take the crew sheets from all the one hour dramas and tally up the jobs. That ALL gets kicked off from the initial storytelling team.

    So the writers are trying to protect their future and right now we see the future in the internet as the method by which everything will be delivered to the audience. That’s what this is about. We’re looking ahead so that we can continue to create and put stories into the world. And oh yeah, there’s HUGE business that happens around all those stories.

    Comment by Steelo — November 6, 2007 @ 7:43 pm

  63. Klaatu -

    Your comment at 1:49 makes my point completely. Jeff Zucker didn’t like the money he was making from Apple. So, did Zucker call up the union and organize a strike? Did he put people out of work? No, as a business man he made a decision to go another route and set up his own distribution channel (i.e. Hulu). He didn’t need a union to try to shut down Apple or iTunes because he felt he was getting screwed, he simply took his talents and product elsewhere. Good, smart business (or so he hopes, he’s assuming the risk with his strategy also, comes with the territory).

    Not Rich Weiter -
    If a writer’s material is so changed from what he/she originally wrote, how does that translate into the writer deserving more money? Seems like they would deserve less in that case, because less of what they originally came up with was used.

    Missy -
    If a spec writer happens to write an episode that becomes the most downloaded on the internet, no he doesn’t necessarily deserve a cut of that. He was paid for the script, the producer took all the financial risk to expend the resources to hire cast and crew, produce the show, and then market and distribute it. The producer should reap the rewards from that, not the writer. What the writer does get however, is that for the next job they are negotiating, they can say “hey, I wrote the most downloaded show on the internet last time out, I deserve more money for this job because I’m now a proven commodity”. With that on their resume, they will surely get a better deal. If they continue to produce quality work, the money will get better and better, all without a union.

    Comment by RealityCheck — November 6, 2007 @ 8:04 pm

  64. Who is going to help me when I go from a regular (for the last 10+years) 150K salary to nothing or almost nothing in a couple of weeks?

    It will be hard to keep the support of us IATSE “below the line” workers in the face of such hardship. Stop talking and publishing about what happened on Sunday negotiations and push very hard to get the talks going. Most of my colleagues can’t absorb being out of work for more than a month or so. Where is our strike help and support fund?

    This is the scariest thing that has happened to me in my career (and I have been through a lot). I get all the negative fallout of a full blown strike and I have nothing to gain as it is not my contract deal. I really do support writers getting paid for every use, but I am pissed about this whole situation. IT IS NOT ABOUT WHO I AM PISSED AT OR WHICH SIDE TO BLAME. ME AND MY FAMILY ARE BEING SEVERELY HURT BY BEING TRULY CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS MESS. So, strike for your principals and enjoy your large upfront and residual filled bank accounts while my years of very hard work and contribution get flushed when I am forced to liquidate the home I worked so hard for and explain to my kids why their world is completely changed.

    Comment by IATSE JE — November 6, 2007 @ 8:32 pm

  65. Only 3029 writers picketed today? C’mon WGA you’ve got 12000 members who support this strike. You can do better than that. Since most of your membership doesn’t really make a a living from writing, its no big deal to throw a couple hundred thousand working crew people out of work is it? Show some balls, get out there and picket, all of you. Take responsibility for what you are doing.

    The shows are shutting down one by one. This TV season is lost. The producers are only too happy to let you strike. They are looking forward to lowering overhead by laying off everyone and letting you stop production.

    Come the next fall season, fiction shows may be history along with the careers many of your members. The viewers will turn to viewer created content like youtube and Current TV and you can all be proud that you contributed to the economic misery of not only yourselves but the entire Los Angeles film community.

    Thank You

    Comment by IATSE member — November 6, 2007 @ 8:53 pm

  66. IATSE member,

    How about throwing just a little tiny bit of that bile at the AMPTP? Thanks!

    Comment by Anonymous — November 6, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

  67. Marc Cherry is a really bad example for the anti-writers crowd to bring up. Read Bill Carter’s book Desperate Networks. Cherry was once the showrunner for Golden Girls, an extremely successful series that was played on syndication for a long, long time. Despite that, He was flat broke for several years before Desperate Housewives got sold, and he deferred his fee over and over again (offering to do network ordered rewrites for FREE) so the pilot could get made. He’s earned that % of ad revenue that ABC gets from Desperate Housewives on ABC.com.

    Comment by LArry McGillicuddy — November 7, 2007 @ 6:16 am

  68. “Our members executed 14 pickets…” Come on, surely as writers you can come up with a better term than that. Makes it sound like you were punishing a few slackers on the line.

    Comment by Anonymouse — November 7, 2007 @ 9:08 am

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