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The History Of: Rage Against The Machine

author: KyleRocks date: 07/27/2007 category: the history of
rating: 5.2 / votes: 66 

Rage Against the Machine is a band that has made a huge impact on our society by protesting and showing how they feel about the government. Here's the story of how they began.

Beginning

In 1991, guitarist Tom Morello left his old band, Lock Up, looking to start another band. Morello was in a club in L.A where Zack de la Rocha was rapping. Morello was impressed by de la Rocha's lyric books, and asked him to be the vocalist in a band. Morello called and drafted a drummer named Brad Wilk, who had previously auditioned for Lock Up, while de la Rocha convinced his childhood friend Tim Commerford to join as bassist.

The new band named themselves after a song de la Rocha had written for his former band, Inside Out.[2] Kent McClard, with whom Inside Out were associated, had previously coined the phrase in a 1989 article in his zine No Answers.

Shortly after forming, they gave their first public performance in Orange County, California, where a friend of Commerford's was holding a house party. The blueprint for the group's major-label debut album was laid on a twelve-song self-released cassette, the cover image of which was the stock-market with a single match taped to the inlay card. Not all 12 songs made it onto the final album—two were eventually included as B-sides, with the remaining three songs never seeing an official release.

Several record labels expressed interest, and the band eventually signed with Epic Records. Morello said, "Epic agreed to everything we asked—and they've followed through.... We never saw an ideological conflict as long as we maintained creative control."

The band's eponymous debut album, Rage Against the Machine, reached triple platinum status, driven by heavy radio play of the song "Killing in the Name", a heavy, driving track repeating six lines of lyrics. The uncensored version, which contains 17 iterations of the word fuck, was once notoriously played on the BBC Radio 1 Top 40 singles show.

The album's cover pictured Thích Quảng Đức, a Vietnamese Buddhist monk, burning himself to death in Saigon in 1963; Quảng Đức was protesting the murder of Buddhists by Prime Minister Ngô Đình Diệm's regime. To promote the album and its core message of social justice and equality, the band went on tour, playing at Lollapalooza 1993 and as support for Suicidal Tendencies in Europe.

After their debut album, the band appeared on the soundtrack for the film Higher Learning with the song "Year of tha Boomerang". An early version of "Tire Me" would also appear during the movie. Subsequently, they recorded an original song, "Darkness", for the soundtrack of The Crow and also "No Shelter" appeared on the Godzilla soundtrack.

Their second album, Evil Empire, entered Billboard's Top 200 chart at number one in 1996. The song "Bulls on Parade" was performed on Saturday Night Live in April 1996. Their planned two-song performance was cut to one song when the band attempted to hang inverted American flags from their amplifiers, a protest against having Republican presidential candidate Steve Forbes as guest host on the program that night.

In 1997, the band opened for U2 on their Popmart Tour, for which all Rage's profits went to support social organisations.

Rage subsequently began an abortive headlining US tour with special guests Wu-Tang Clan. Police in several jurisdictions unsuccessfully attempted to have the concerts cancelled, citing amongst other reasons, the bands' "violent and anti-law enforcement philosophies".

On the Japan leg of their tour promoting Evil Empire, a bootleg album composed of the band's B-side recordings titled Live & Rare was released by Sony Records. A live video, also titled Rage Against the Machine, was released later the same year.

The following release, The Battle of Los Angeles also debuted at number one in 1999, selling 450,000 copies the first week and then going double-platinum. That same year the song "Wake Up" was featured on the soundtrack of the film The Matrix. The track "Calm Like a Bomb" was later featured in the film's sequel, 2003's The Matrix Reloaded. In 2000, the band planned to support the Beastie Boys on the "Rhyme and Reason" tour; however, the tour was cancelled when Beastie Boys drummer Mike D suffered a serious injury.

By the time he recovered, Rage Against the Machine had disbanded.

Audioslave

After the group's breakup, Morello, Wilk, and Commerford briefly tried to replace de la Rocha in RATM. Rumoured vocalists at the time included Rey Oropeza of downset., Chuck D of Public Enemy, and B-Real of Cypress Hill. However, the band teamed up with former Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell to form a new band, Audioslave.

The first Audioslave single, "Cochise", was released in early November 2002, and the debut album, Audioslave, followed to mainly positive reviews. Their second album Out of Exile debuted at the number one position on the Billboard charts in 2005. The band released a third album named Revelations on September 5, 2006. The band vowed to have a "one-album-per-year" schedule, but Audioslave's future has been cast into doubt following Cornell's leaving on February 15, 2007. Wilk and Commerford are contributing to Maynard James Keenan's side project Puscifer, set for release in mid-October 2007, while Morello is focusing on his own solo project.

Reunion

Members of the band had been offered large sums of money to reunite for concerts and tours, and had turned the offers down. Rumors of bad blood between de la Rocha and the other former band members subsequently circulated, but Commerford said that he and de la Rocha see each other often and go surfing together, while Morello said he and de la Rocha communicate by phone, and had met up at a September 15, 2005 protest in support of the South Central Farm. Morello and de la Rocha were photographed together at the protest, the first photograph of the two since the band's breakup. Rumors that Rage Against the Machine could reunite at the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival were circulating in mid-January, and were confirmed on January 22. The band was confirmed to be headlining the final day of Coachella 2007. The reunion was described by Morello as primarily being a vehicle to voice the band's opposition to the "right-wing purgatory" the United States has "slid into" under the George W. Bush administration since RATM's dissolution. Though the performance was initially thought to be a one-off, this turned out not to be the case.

On April 14, 2007, Morello and de la Rocha reunited onstage early to perform a brief acoustic set in downtown Chicago at a Coalition of Immokalee Workers rally in support of fairness in the fast food industry. Morello described the event as "very exciting for everybody in the room, myself included." This was followed by the scheduled Coachella performance on Sunday, April 29. The band played in front of an EZLN backdrop to the largest crowds of the festival; their performance was widely considered the festival's most anticipated. A speech was made during "Wake Up" in which de la Rocha, citing a statement by Noam Chomsky regarding the Nuremburg trials, said: "If the same laws were applied to U.S. presidents as were applied to the Nazis after World War II, every single one of them, every last rich white one of them from Truman on, would have been hung to death and shot - and this current administration is no exception.

"They should be hung, and tried, and shot. As any war criminal should be. But the challenges that we face, they go way beyond administrations, way beyond elections, way beyond every four years of pulling levers, way beyond that. Because this whole rotten system has become so vicious and cruel that in order to sustain itself, it needs to destroy entire countries and profit from their reconstruction in order to survive - and that's not a system that changes every four years, it's a system that we have to break down, generation after generation after generation after generation after generation.... Wake up."

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jonnyt29 :
sweet
POSTED: 07/27/2007 - 04:09 pm / quote |
SmashThings :
Nice
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 05:45 am / quote |
kman123 :
good history.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 05:48 am / quote |
Vantage :
Great.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 05:59 am / quote |
pete-c :
Uhm.. it's ripped right from Wikipedia :\
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 07:00 am / quote |
webbtje :
Yeah, this is in no way written by the author.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 07:01 am / quote |
black_coffin :
awsome
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 07:12 am / quote |
strong_wizard :
Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 07:42 am / quote |
Klayy :
strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.


Artists use music to express what they want to express....
wake up dude

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 08:19 am / quote |
Renfordoggz :
strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.

not being in the states makes it a little more offensive? what're u trying to say? dare i say KKK grand wizard? lol

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 09:17 am / quote |
ghostofhendrix :
Yeah this columns been ripped right off of Wikipedia, and that was taken off their own website- nice originality dude! Imo the political lyrics are much more interesting than most other bands' lyrics and they aren't that offensive, mainly cuz they're mostly all true- plus they're really catchy lol. I hope RATM make another album now that they're back together it'd be well good.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 10:28 am / quote |
burnout202 :
this is on wikipedia, wow how creative of you
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 10:40 am / quote |
musicology :
Next time you make a blanket statement like "huge impact on our society", back it up with something. I'll grant you that Rage may have impacted professional music, but definitely not society.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 11:37 am / quote |
7angels7plauges :
strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.

i hate political bands too.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 11:55 am / quote |
Ad90 :
meh.. he may of got info from wiki but still a good post.. good job man
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 12:08 pm / quote |
S2S :
I find it weird that it says Mike D is the "drummer" for the Beastie Boys. They're just Three Emcees and One DJ.


POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 12:12 pm / quote |
HedlessChickn :
is it me or should admin change the author of this article be recredited to wikipedia or completely removed?
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 12:52 pm / quote |
Seymore190 :
Cool
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 12:56 pm / quote |
Cmann77 :
strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.


HAHAHAHA

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 01:32 pm / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
strong_wizard wrote:

I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.


if you dont want to hear, dont care about, and think the political lyrics will become negligible soon, then dont listen to RAGE...

an artists job is not just to make music. first of all, when you use the term "artist," it doesnt mean "musician." secondly, a true artist expresses their feelings/ideas in such a way that they are understandable by the public... and ideally, the public will be influenced/moved by such feelings/ideas. RAGE has accomplished this.

in my opinion, what RAGE is really about is opening peoples eyes. it seems to me that they are trying to get people to understand what is going on around them, as opposed to simply accepting it all. they do a great job of this... you really need to look into things for yourself and decide what you feel, though... the government is not all-fair or completely corrupt-free....

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 02:41 pm / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
strong_wizard

and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive



...i dont see how that makes any sense.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 02:43 pm / quote |
universeatwar :
What about Renegades? Just completely omit one of their albums from their history? That doesnt seem quite right.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 03:21 pm / quote |
gibsonrocker917 :
how do any od you know that the author wasn't also the author of the wiki version?

anyways - great article
but...i wouldn't say they had much effect on popular society as any mainstream media...has..rather butchered and damned them, but in OUR society they most definately have.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 03:36 pm / quote |
HedlessChickn :
gibsonrocker917 wrote:

how do any od you know that the author wasn't also the author of the wiki version?


By looking at the History tab on the top of the article.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 03:58 pm / quote |
wesciante :
Renfordoggz wrote:

strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.

not being in the states makes it a little more offensive? what're u trying to say? dare i say KKK grand wizard? lol


Yes man!, and like its a better thing especially if you have the same political stance as the band cause then you feel like your more a part of the music and closer to the overall scene.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 05:02 pm / quote |
Sound_Garden_X :
I listen to RAGE and im okay with them being political because they know what there talking about, thing is I don't I just listen cause I think it sounds cool.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 05:06 pm / quote |
R3volution :
Rage Against the Machine's music is wicked, if you are too scared to hear someone else's opinion then you are probaly too much of a pussy to listen to RATM anyway.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 05:12 pm / quote |
Gitter_Wizard :
This was a good idea, but you started super specific, got super vague, and flipped between those two throughout. I love RATM, however. Zack's lyrics are downright absurd.
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 07:03 pm / quote |
Gitter_Wizard :
Guitar_Poet wrote:

strong_wizard wrote:

I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.

if you dont want to hear, dont care about, and think the political lyrics will become negligible soon, then dont listen to RAGE...

an artists job is not just to make music. first of all, when you use the term "artist," it doesnt mean "musician." secondly, a true artist expresses their feelings/ideas in such a way that they are understandable by the public... and ideally, the public will be influenced/moved by such feelings/ideas. RAGE has accomplished this.

in my opinion, what RAGE is really about is opening peoples eyes. it seems to me that they are trying to get people to understand what is going on around them, as opposed to simply accepting it all. they do a great job of this... you really need to look into things for yourself and decide what you feel, though... the government is not all-fair or completely corrupt-free....


Whoops I forgot... The also exaggerate the FUCK out of it, unfortunately.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 07:05 pm / quote |
dgme92 :
wow, i'm surprised UG didn't spot the wikipedia thing. but other than that, it was a thoroughly well thought out, interesting, copied article. and only because i never saw it on wikipedia
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 08:01 pm / quote |
robbo_0013 :
strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.


WELL NOW lets all make music that strong_wizard wants to hear!

jesus!

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 08:36 pm / quote |
Tyler Durden :
universeatwar wrote:

What about Renegades? Just completely omit one of their albums from their history? That doesnt seem quite right.


half that album was covers anyways

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 10:17 pm / quote |
antareus :
I used to dislike political music. Now I really like it. It makes you think a lot more than the usual blather about relationships.

Trust me, you'll wake up one day and dig political lyrics. I used to HATE RATM, now there's some days where there's nothing I want more than to listen to them. As with a lot of political commentary, the most important thing it can do is teach you to examine things for yourself. Don't take the government/the media/RATM/anyone's messages at face value - test them, think about them, and form your own opinion. This sort of skepticism is vital to creating an informed and educated citizenry.

POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 10:22 pm / quote |
KyleRocks :
hey guys, yea.. about this wikipedia thing.. its sorta funny, i was like really bored one night, so i thought id just go copy this from wiki (i didnt think ug would have acctually posted it lol) but anyways, i was reading through the comments and i saw how many ppl talked about the wiki thing, so i thought id just tell ya wat happened lol
POSTED: 07/28/2007 - 10:28 pm / quote |
spikedemon! :
Anyone could go on for days about how amazing of an influence ratm is and what they stand/stood for. I find it hard to disrespect such delightful poeple.
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 01:22 am / quote |
The_Raven :
Nice. Whatever people say, RATM rocks and remains one of the most intelligent and rocking bands....

I guess all I can say is....



NOW TESTIFY!!!

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 02:25 am / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
antareus wrote:

I used to dislike political music. Now I really like it. It makes you think a lot more than the usual blather about relationships.

Trust me, you'll wake up one day and dig political lyrics. I used to HATE RATM, now there's some days where there's nothing I want more than to listen to them. As with a lot of political commentary, the most important thing it can do is teach you to examine things for yourself. Don't take the government/the media/RATM/anyone's messages at face value - test them, think about them, and form your own opinion. This sort of skepticism is vital to creating an informed and educated citizenry.


+1. exactly...

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 03:14 am / quote |
kop4 :
nice, it covers all the important events in ratm`s history.
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 04:34 am / quote |
Jackolas :
One of the first bands I got into at 13.

Developed tastes or what?

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 06:25 am / quote |
djjiles :
Renegades was all covers...
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 10:27 am / quote |
i_eat_souls :
I think people make way to big a deal about "political" music. I'm not going to listen to or not listen to a band just because it's political. It's not like RATM is going to change the world or cause anarchy because they protest the gov't. They are just musicians who exagerate the faults of our government. Lets not forget how they basically reinvented a genre of music and made songs that we want to scream at cops when we get pulled over.
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 10:54 am / quote |
junjun1987 :
7angels7plauges wrote:

strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.
i hate political bands too.


I hate political bands that have no stance and just say '**** america'...of course. Zack de La Rocha and Morello are intellectuals; Zack's lyrics confront America's foreign policy- how their actions directly or indirectly impact others, namely in third world countries. RATM try to bring these kinda things to light...right on gibsonrocker917- if you dismiss this band and group them like other generic mindless leftist 'punk' bands, you need to wake up

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 11:52 am / quote |
22acacia :
political music sells and always will sell because politics are trendy and they tend to make people feel elite or something. 99.9% of musicians who write political music have no ****ing clue what they are talking about anyway, along with rage against the machine who needs to open there ****ing eyes to other parts of the world and realize they aint got it so bad here. sure the states has committed a huge number of horrible crimes against humanity but listen up: I CHALLENGE ANY ONE OF YOU WANKS TO FIND A COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF EXISTANCE WHO HASNT. political music is boring, washed up, and uncreative.
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 11:52 am / quote |
22acacia :
and yes this is just rehashed wikipedia bullshit
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 11:53 am / quote |
22acacia :
antareus :
I used to dislike political music. Now I really like it. It makes you think a lot more than the usual blather about relationships.Trust me, you'll wake up one day and dig political lyrics. I used to HATE RATM, now there's some days where there's nothing I want more than to listen to them. As with a lot of political commentary, the most important thing it can do is teach you to examine things for yourself. Don't take the government/the media/RATM/anyone's messages at face value - test them, think about them, and form your own opinion. This sort of skepticism is vital to creating an informed and educated citizenry.


Although I do agree with his statement about seeing things for yourself that is certainly not the case with your average fuk-tard joe listener. People ~worship~ ideas they get from such bands because thats all they have, they CANNOT think for themselves because our perception in this age is trained not too by everything around us. We all do it, no one is innocent. All we have in our musical spectrum nowadays is politics and mindless droning about women relationships etc. Shits pathetic. Just droning garbage everywhere. If the music dont sell polo shirts and ****ing axe spray then it dont get played. If you want a perfect example, what better way to keep the public retarded about shit then to throw it in there face with stupid ass songs like "American Idiot" by greenday? If you think your enlightened about something then you complain less. The real "American Idiots" are the ones slamming Bush and think that he actually has any say in anything that goes on. Fucking pathetic. EVERYONE HERE NEEDS TO READ LINCOLN.

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 12:03 pm / quote |
22acacia :
The_Raven :
Nice. Whatever people say, RATM rocks and remains one of the most intelligent and rocking bands....

I guess all I can say is....



NOW TESTIFY!!!

How is regurgatating ideas passed down by ignorant hippys and people who have probly never worked a day in there lives or done anything for anyone intellegent? These musicians are obviously just as misguided as you are kid.

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 12:12 pm / quote |
in*limbo :
7angels7plauges wrote:

i hate political bands too.


then why the hell are you reading an article on RATM???!!!???!!!???

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 01:10 pm / quote |
liam177lewis :
22acacia sounds like a bit of a fascist...
regurgutating anti-hippy opinions passed down by a bunch of ignorant bigots...

good article, grammer annoyed me at times, but very nice

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 01:58 pm / quote |
mrbiscuits315 :

liam177lewis :
22acacia sounds like a bit of a fascist...
yep.

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 04:00 pm / quote |
mrbiscuits315 :
Btw 22acacia not all teenagers worship ides from their favorite bands. Really your acting like all teenagers,kids, whatever cant think for themselves.
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 04:02 pm / quote |
korn_dawg :
"They should be hung, and tried, and shot."


Kind of funny that's the order de la Rocha wants the government to be taken care of. It makes him that much better than the people he's talking about. Especially after he said none of the men elected are actually responsible and that he believes it is the way our country has evolved by itself; that it would continue to be that way if we did get rid of the current representatives. He really sounds like he knows what he's talking about based on that series of quotes..

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 04:49 pm / quote |
perilouspete :
i for one like rage's music but don't agree with the message. you don't really have to agree with what a band's saying all the time to dig them, i think they rock the **** out and that's all that matters. and i can't wait to see them at alpine valley next month \m/
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 06:17 pm / quote |
jonnyrotten45 :
RATM FTW
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 08:15 pm / quote |
22acacia :
mrbiscuits315 :
Btw 22acacia not all teenagers worship ides from their favorite bands. Really your acting like all teenagers,kids, whatever cant think for themselves.

Hey dipshit, read and think before you post. Thats why i used the term average joe listener, not EVERYONE. some people have the ability not to just rehash stupid shit they hear, but very few. obviously you dont because you just see read and hear what you want.
And your stupid ass little grammar comment is rediculous and further proves my point about idiots LIKE YOURSELF just rehshing dumb shit and turning to stupid ideas and arguments to further better your point. what the **** does grammar have to do with any of this. wow your a trained monkey congrats.

oh and at the name calling facist comment, you kids really do need to read more. anything intellegent that isnt confined to your modern day social reservist bullshit is automatically fascist because it makes you think. so sorry you have to use your brain. i gues this is why idiots like your voted for "No Child Left Behind" thanks for contributing to idiocracy.
Hats off.

POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 09:14 pm / quote |
22acacia :
and further more anti hippy opinons LOLOLOL sorry if i work for a living and refuse to think that a shit load of idiots who didnt work for a living, did nothing but drugs and breed stupid ass children into our generation, and create horrible untalented bullshit music,(cat stevens aside) and CONTRIBUTED TO THE SHIT STATE THE WORLD IS IN TODAY are wrong. You ever notice the mid 30s to late 50s generation these days??? NOTHING BUT FUCKING HIPOCRITS. Point proven. People who dont do shit dont know shit, that is tested and proven by time and history.
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 09:19 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
PEOPLE PEOPLE(OMG) Okay ill start at the top. If you hate political music because you dont care about politics then youre a moron and maybe one day youll move out of youre parents basement and politics will mean something to you. If you hate political music because most of it is from people who dont know anything and just repeat some crap they hear on the Colbert Report or some stupid show then youre right, but you should know that anything that Rage Against The Machine says by way of politics is most likely very true for Zac De Le Roca went to college to study law for several years and no im not just saying that to make him seem all high and mighty but i do know that all the statistics in the video "sleep now in the fire" are 100% correct and you would have done some research to know all that. However something i dont like about the band is that Zac De La Roca is all for freedom and all that but says that he doesnt think christians shouldnt be allowed to go to church and thats kinda weird to me. But on political views they are correct we do have a corrupt system and need something else beside this crap we have, and maybe it is worse in other places but it was the government who threw that at us so we would stop worrying about here. And just because every major continent has commited an immoral political act doesnt make it rite and quite frankly i live in america im worried about americas problems.
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 10:20 pm / quote |
Mamono :
flipdirtman FTW way to be right....its a tough thing to do on UG but u hit the nail on the head
POSTED: 07/29/2007 - 10:53 pm / quote |
wood_e_Dean :
I rekon, Tom Morello went to Harvard at age 17 and graduated with a degree in political science, he worked as a presidential aide aswell.

This is copy/pasted from Wikipedia, quite disapointed in this article...

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 01:25 am / quote |
kop4 :
why does he write the article if he knows shit about the band.. If u wanna do something good, do it on your own.
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 04:36 am / quote |
kyle6677 :
i saw them at rock the bells saturday - aMAZING
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 09:48 am / quote |
KyleRocks :
k well obviously nobody noticed my comment i wrote b4 telling why i copied this... i copied it cuz i had nothing better to do, and i for sure thought ug would have declined it cuz it was copied from wiki, so b4 u go and leave lame ass comments about how i copied and shit, read this
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 12:20 pm / quote |
BeefStrokin'Off :
22acacia wrote:

political music sells and always will sell because politics are trendy and they tend to make people feel elite or something. 99.9% of musicians who write political music have no ****ing clue what they are talking about anyway, along with rage against the machine who needs to open there ****ing eyes to other parts of the world and realize they aint got it so bad here. sure the states has committed a huge number of horrible crimes against humanity but listen up: I CHALLENGE ANY ONE OF YOU WANKS TO FIND A COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF EXISTANCE WHO HASNT. political music is boring, washed up, and uncreative.


So you're basically saying that 2 wrongs make a right, so to speak. Wow, you're obviously an intelligent, well-read individual *sarcasm*. Moron.

Just because other countries are in worse condition, while ours is less than perfect doesn't mean that we should be content with that. We should all make an attempt to understand the ethics of Utilitarianism and make what we see is the best country for the majority, instead of the wealthy, powerful minority that run things.

While we're on the subject of trends, the biggest trend at the moment is laziness, not just in a physical aspect, but mental laziness. People find it much easier to sit on the couch, watching TV, eating up all the shit that FOX News and CNN throw at them, thinking that they're "up to date" on current events, while they're actually just being distracted from the truth. It may sound paranoid but it's true. Finding information in it's purest form that hasn't been filtered takes hard work, and isn't easy, which means that most people won't bother looking for it. However, if it is in the form of something they DO bother with, meaning MUSIC, it makes things that much easier so more pure information is given to the masses, which is ideal in moving any country in the right direction.

Sure, Rage are radical in their beliefs, which puts off some people, but someday, not intending to sound pretentious or irrational, but that aggression and adamancy will be needed when the revolution comes, and it more than likely will, being that history repeats itself.

Perhaps you 22acacia should heed your own words and educate yourself, rather than rejecting everything that disagrees with you at face value.

end rant.

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 12:24 pm / quote |
staind_dust87 :
Zac De Le Roca is so full of shit! I love Rage, but I think Zac needs to get a life, he thinks hes some kind of visionary, lol. Does he really think that anybody gives a shit on what a rock band saids about politics? It's such a cliché for a rock band to hate everything about the government and sing about it. Back when they first came out they were the only ones who did it, but now EVERY ****in band sings about it! I'm so sick of it, sing about something else please, lol. But anyway, rock on!
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 12:30 pm / quote |
kmchipower :
saw them on "Rock the Bells" and they kicked some serious ass
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 01:02 pm / quote |
22acacia :
So you're basically saying that 2 wrongs make a right, so to speak. Wow, you're obviously an intelligent, well-read individual *sarcasm*. Moron.

What the **** are you talking about? Two wrongs??? Ok...

As far as your argument on laziness goes, if you would have read my other posts you would understand thats exactly what im attacking.

Sure, Rage are radical in their beliefs, which puts off some people, but someday, not intending to sound pretentious or irrational, but that aggression and adamancy will be needed when the revolution comes, and it more than likely will, being that history repeats itself.


The whole point of my topic is the fact that RATM ideas ARE NOT RADICAL they are merely bullshit thats been passed down by lazy bastards and idiots who like to complain. they are trained monkeys spitting out nothing new or radical. if you want to be a ****ing activist and shit then dont write music go ****ing do something.

Perhaps you 22acacia should heed your own words and educate yourself, rather than rejecting everything that disagrees with you at face value.

Your not making any valid points here jack. Your basically saying the same shit i am, pretending to disagree with me, then slamming me because you hate people who have opinions. I am not attacking anyones opinion in this thread im merely stating my own.


POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 01:46 pm / quote |
22acacia :
Also RATM does not put me off because of "their" beliefs. They put me off because they DONT HAVE THEIR OWN BELIEFS. not to mention there musicianship blows ass and there singer sound like a drowned rat gargling dishsoap on stage, but man is he mad and oppressed... lol.
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 01:55 pm / quote |
22acacia :
...However, if it is in the form of something they DO bother with, meaning MUSIC, it makes things that much easier so more pure information is given to the masses, which is ideal in moving any country in the right direction...

Also it seems that you have no idea how music production works. You speak as if the artist just hand over a ****ing script/album/lyrics without 90000 people making revisions to lyrics and messege and to make sure it sells. The messege your get from ANYT famous artist is tainted and made to sell. And I'm the uneducated one, sheeeeesh.

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 01:59 pm / quote |
Rico16135 :
you know you say that rage was and has been a major influence in protesting the government. How many protests have u been part of because of rage? Probably none. This story is great if your looking for a warm and fuzzy, but in reality they're just another band with a rapper. Sure I like some rage songs, but idolize people that really do make a difference.
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 02:08 pm / quote |
BeefStrokin'Off :
22acacia wrote:

...However, if it is in the form of something they DO bother with, meaning MUSIC, it makes things that much easier so more pure information is given to the masses, which is ideal in moving any country in the right direction...
Also it seems that you have no idea how music production works. You speak as if the artist just hand over a ****ing script/album/lyrics without 90000 people making revisions to lyrics and messege and to make sure it sells. The messege your get from ANYT famous artist is tainted and made to sell. And I'm the uneducated one, sheeeeesh.


It seems as if you haven't read my post correctly. When I stated that you assume that 2 wrongs make a right refers to when you were saying that Rage should stop complaining because they "have it better" in America than in other countries. This is true, except that it still doesn't change the fact that America has its own problems that need taken care of and simply because it's "easier" in America doesn't mean that those problems should be ignored. Take this hypothetical situation for example: you were involved in an accident in which you broke your arm and the bone is sticking out. You think you need urgent medical attention until you stop and realize that there are children out in the world who have Aids, and were born with deformities, so you decide to live your life with your Radius sticking out of your arm. Sounds ridiculous, no? I thought so. The metaphor may be a far stretch comparing that to political issues, but still serves the point.

As for the topic of Rage not being radical, which is the reason I gave for them putting people off, not their beliefs, but their aggressive way of presenting it, and if you don't believe they are, then you obviously haven't seen them live, and they are activists, and do engage in protests, etc. outside of their music, you would know that if you took the time to look into it instead of being so quick to attempt to prove me wrong because I disagreed with you.

Saying that Rage don't have their own beliefs? What is that even suppose to mean? They're not trying to start a church, jack. Just because people have similar ideas doesn't make them any less valid.

Who are you to question their musicianship? Are you a ****ing professor at Berklee? Just because they're not the greatest musicians in all of history doesn't mean they don't have talent.

I suppose you're a world famous music producer who knows the ins and outs of all that has to deal with the music business. It's such a great honor to be in your presence. Not all artist are money grubbing *****s who let the "industry" rape and mutilate their art/message just so it flys off of the shelves. Especially with Rage being the type of people they are, I find this hard to believe they would do this just for money.

As far as me "slamming" you just because "I hate people with opinions" you're dead wrong, Einstein. You know nothing of who I am or where I'm from, so the fact that you even have the gall to even pretend like you know my personality is laughable.

I am also NOT "basically saying the same shit" as you are. I am defending the sincerity and importance of political messages in music, while you are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

I will agree that we do share some similarities in our views, while we disagree on others. I find this much too tedious to keep going back and forth with you on these issues seeing as I'll never change your view, nor will you change mine, and I will leave it at that hoping that you're mature enough to read this and understand where I'm coming from.

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 02:45 pm / quote |
A Poe :
Rage Rocks harder than you
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 02:48 pm / quote |
epiphone_14 :
Fuck you i wont do what tell me
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 02:58 pm / quote |
Beware!Criminal :
22acacia wrote:

oh and at the name calling facist comment, you kids really do need to read more. anything intellegent that isnt confined to your modern day social reservist bullshit is automatically fascist because it makes you think. so sorry you have to use your brain. i gues this is why idiots like your voted for "No Child Left Behind" thanks for contributing to idiocracy.
Hats off.


I think it's funny how you talk about idiots, but you yourself are to stupid to spellcheck yourself. Also, these "kids" wouldn't have been of voting age when the No Child Left Behind Act was passed. Thank you.

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 08:24 pm / quote |
ElephantTalk :
The reality is most kids bang their heads like sheep and dont have a clue what their messages are. The nearest American kids get to oppression and removal of human rights is being grounded.
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 10:57 pm / quote |
ElephantTalk :
,,i remember they did a solidarity with freedom fighters thing where they tried to blanket together all the terrorist/freedom fighters in the world, despite some being formed through military regime, gang warfare, religious sectarianism etc..bit disrespectful to the victims of terror to blanketly support every cause just because the side dont have an organised army. They must be supporting Al Quaida and supported 9/11 by this rationale.
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 11:02 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
Alright 22acacia you keep spouting the same crap just at different people. You say that Rage Against The Machine does not have their own opinions and are not radical and that is a negative, and i find it hard to believe that because the authorities have attempted to stop sevral of their shows because of these things you say they don't have, and if you would have read the whole history up there you would have known that, but no you came on here with the opinion that all political bands are stupid and just spout out whats on TV, and with some this is the case, but if you were to read the lyrics of a song of RATM then you will find they are very intelligent.
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 11:03 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
ElephantTalk wrote:

The reality is most kids bang their heads like sheep and dont have a clue what their messages are. The nearest American kids get to oppression and removal of human rights is being grounded.
that is very true but I however do listen to the points and views and anyone who truly LISTENS (listen being the key word) to music does too

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 11:07 pm / quote |
TC1223 :
Rage has made a huge impact on society? That's the dumbest sh*t I ever heard. They made cool music but that's about it. People have been b*tching about the government just a little before Zach came rolling along.
POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 11:11 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
ElephantTalk wrote:

,,i remember they did a solidarity with freedom fighters thing where they tried to blanket together all the terrorist/freedom fighters in the world, despite some being formed through military regime, gang warfare, religious sectarianism etc..bit disrespectful to the victims of terror to blanketly support every cause just because the side dont have an organised army. They must be supporting Al Quaida and supported 9/11 by this rationale.
as far as the things they do support Im not to sure i understand or agree with but in their music they talk about what they dont agree with polittically I think they pretty much hit the nail on the head Now religious wise their a little shaky to me

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 11:11 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
22acacia wrote:

political music sells and always will sell because politics are trendy and they tend to make people feel elite or something. 99.9% of musicians who write political music have no ****ing clue what they are talking about anyway, along with rage against the machine who needs to open there ****ing eyes to other parts of the world and realize they aint got it so bad here. sure the states has committed a huge number of horrible crimes against humanity but listen up: I CHALLENGE ANY ONE OF YOU WANKS TO FIND A COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF EXISTANCE WHO HASNT. political music is boring, washed up, and uncreative.
.....um musically they were very creative, not the greatest musicians but, creative and once again they dont just spout out whats on tv they are very well read you just have an opinionated view of political bands and put all political bands in the same category.
22acacia wrote:

and yes this is just rehashed wikipedia bullshit
i agree here.
22acacia wrote:

mrbiscuits315 :
Btw 22acacia not all teenagers worship ides from their favorite bands. Really your acting like all teenagers,kids, whatever cant think for themselves.

Hey dipshit, read and think before you post. Thats why i used the term average joe listener, not EVERYONE. some people have the ability not to just rehash stupid shit they hear, but very few. obviously you dont because you just see read and hear what you want.
And your stupid ass little grammar comment is rediculous and further proves my point about idiots LIKE YOURSELF just rehshing dumb shit and turning to stupid ideas and arguments to further better your point. what the **** does grammar have to do with any of this. wow your a trained monkey congrats.

oh and at the name calling facist comment, you kids really do need to read more. anything intellegent that isnt confined to your modern day social reservist bullshit is automatically fascist because it makes you think. so sorry you have to use your brain. i gues this is why idiots like your voted for "No Child Left Behind" thanks for contributing to idiocracy.
Hats off.
.....um you did kind of make it out like every teenage kid is a stupid average joe listener, and I like how you say kids and then assume that we were old enough to vote moron think about what you say.

POSTED: 07/30/2007 - 11:22 pm / quote |
antareus :
RATM will always be special to me because they inspired Matt Bellamy of Muse quite a bit.

And I heart Muse very much.

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 12:07 am / quote |
darkfire_storm :
pete-c wrote:

Uhm.. it's ripped right from Wikipedia :\


yeah, i thought that was where ive read this before. its the same one. why post it here then without crediting?

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 12:51 am / quote |
jigy-i-joe :
Zach is one of the greatest poets of our time.
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 04:55 am / quote |
guitgrinder :
whoah, I really hope that was a joke by bootyking69... yikes. anyway, I like RATM, have their 3 albums, but here's my beef with them- if there are so many problems with other countries that they seem to care more about, why don't they go do something about it there? Go do volunteer work there, donate their money to them, or hell, go join their damn militia. Benefit shows are kind of a joke, unless it's something a little more personal... but a show for a "Free Tibet?" C'mon, seriously? I could see a "Cancer Relief" or something. Also, they all live here (except maybe Zach... I think he might live in Mexico) and make music here, tour here, are paid by a major label corporation here, but all they wanna do is bash our government... instead of focusing on how bad people in other countries have it and how we're to blame for everyone else's failings, why don't they strive to make things better for the people here in the U.S.? We're the ones who made it all possible for them to get on their soapboxes anyway! How many minimum wage hours does it take to buy a RATM concert ticket? It's AT LEAST 3 just to buy a copy of the self-titled album. So why don't they want to help clean up our own backyard before we go jumpin' into someone else's? That's why people are pissed about us being in Iraq, right? I think Dave Mustaine said it best when he said, "Who'd believe with the way things are here we'd be going anywhere, telling people how to live?" Again, I like RATM, but I think people let their whole message go to their heads and it gets a little out of hand at times. Thanks for reading!
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 10:39 am / quote |
alex-x-x :
all straifght off wikipedia mate

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 10:53 am / quote |
rutters :
Personally i like rage as musicians and while i feel that sometimes they may exagerate issues i respect there beliefs and they do spend alot of time outside of music wether it be donating all procedes from concerts to charitys etc... or morrelo's axis of freedom campagin website movement whatever you want to call it, and as for people bitching about "political" bands its there choice and personaly i prefer a band which has the capability to reach a global audience to try and say somthing worthwhile, instead of what half the "industry" comes out with and if you dont like the political aspect of rage so what, enjoy the music, tim's subtle bass lines, toms crazy effects and stirring riffs and if you dont like them as musicians alrite everyone has different tastes listen to somthin else, no one here JUST listens to rage people (generaly) have quite diverse tastes and will listen to different stuff, rage are just one part of the current musical spectrum but one i enjoy both musicaly and politicaly.
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 10:59 am / quote |
GuitarJunkie :
Guitar_Poet wrote:

strong_wizard wrote:

I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.

if you dont want to hear, dont care about, and think the political lyrics will become negligible soon, then dont listen to RAGE...

an artists job is not just to make music. first of all, when you use the term "artist," it doesnt mean "musician." secondly, a true artist expresses their feelings/ideas in such a way that they are understandable by the public... and ideally, the public will be influenced/moved by such feelings/ideas. RAGE has accomplished this.

in my opinion, what RAGE is really about is opening peoples eyes. it seems to me that they are trying to get people to understand what is going on around them, as opposed to simply accepting it all. they do a great job of this... you really need to look into things for yourself and decide what you feel, though... the government is not all-fair or completely corrupt-free....


Word

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 12:14 pm / quote |
GuitarJunkie :
oh, and i just saw rage at randalls island on the 29th...and let me tell everyone here that that show was ****ing sick
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 12:15 pm / quote |
DirtyDeeds :
everyone on here that thinks any of this is irrelevant can suck it, your deaf dumb and stupid if you cant see whats happening here in America, Every Year more and more laws are passed that take away our personal freedoms in the guise of "protecting" us, so F*U*C*K all of you
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 12:58 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
guitgrinder wrote:

whoah, I really hope that was a joke by bootyking69... yikes. anyway, I like RATM, have their 3 albums, but here's my beef with them- if there are so many problems with other countries that they seem to care more about, why don't they go do something about it there? Go do volunteer work there, donate their money to them, or hell, go join their damn militia. Benefit shows are kind of a joke, unless it's something a little more personal... but a show for a "Free Tibet?" C'mon, seriously? I could see a "Cancer Relief" or something. Also, they all live here (except maybe Zach... I think he might live in Mexico) and make music here, tour here, are paid by a major label corporation here, but all they wanna do is bash our government... instead of focusing on how bad people in other countries have it and how we're to blame for everyone else's failings, why don't they strive to make things better for the people here in the U.S.? We're the ones who made it all possible for them to get on their soapboxes anyway! How many minimum wage hours does it take to buy a RATM concert ticket? It's AT LEAST 3 just to buy a copy of the self-titled album. So why don't they want to help clean up our own backyard before we go jumpin' into someone else's? That's why people are pissed about us being in Iraq, right? I think Dave Mustaine said it best when he said, "Who'd believe with the way things are here we'd be going anywhere, telling people how to live?" Again, I like RATM, but I think people let their whole message go to their heads and it gets a little out of hand at times. Thanks for reading!
Quite frankly I think their's to much of a celebrity craze and, what the people do outside of their proffesion we should leave alone. What i care about from Rage is their music and well they get the message across.

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 02:49 pm / quote |
NorCalLos :
I like Rage and their political message, hate G.W. Bush/Republicans/middle America/Bible Belt/White people in general, but Zach is pretty funny looking. He's lucky he fronts a rock band and can hide behind baggy clothes, dread locks, and facial hair. If he had to cut his hair and put on a pair of Docker's and a polo shirt, he would be downright hideous.
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 03:01 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
NorCalLos wrote:

I like Rage and their political message, hate G.W. Bush/Republicans/middle America/Bible Belt/White people in general, but Zach is pretty funny looking. He's lucky he fronts a rock band and can hide behind baggy clothes, dread locks, and facial hair. If he had to cut his hair and put on a pair of Docker's and a polo shirt, he would be downright hideous.
So youre a racist who likes the political message that everyone should have equal rights, real freaking smart hypocrite

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 03:38 pm / quote |
Xinlitik :
If by huge impact, you mean... no impact?
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 04:50 pm / quote |
NorCalLos :
I don't literally hate white people, flipturdman. I do have a general distaste for many European Institutions/Formalities (powdered wigs anyone? neckties? Who was sitting around one day and said, "hey, I have an idea! Let's tie a strip of satin around our necks in a nice little bow!" Really, though, I was just giving a little background about myself and my perspective before I went on to talk about how funny looking Zach is. He looks like an escaped lab rat.
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 07:55 pm / quote |
RageAgainstEm :
strong_wizard wrote:

Does anyone else find de la rocha to look really funny?
and I think it's a bit weak in that the music is so political. If I listen to music I don't want to be blasted with policial opinions that I don't actually care about and will probably become negligable soon. Artists jobs are to make music, and not being in the states makes it that little more offensive.


well then listen to intrumental music

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 11:30 pm / quote |
MetallicaNRoses :
sure plenty of countries are worse, but does that make us good? is it good to get your ass kicked just because you didn't get killed? and i love RATM, just so this isn't spam, the article is okay, it left out a lot of big stuff, like closing the stock market.
POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 12:50 am / quote |
flea5906 :
22acacia wrote:

Also RATM does not put me off because of "their" beliefs. They put me off because they DONT HAVE THEIR OWN BELIEFS. not to mention there musicianship blows ass and there singer sound like a drowned rat gargling dishsoap on stage, but man is he mad and oppressed... lol.



why dont you just shut up and get of this site. we dont need you to come and tell everyone how rage doesnt know what theyre talking about. everyone has the right to think for themselves without you being here just swearing becase you think it makes you sound BADASS. personally i dont really care all to much about rage's message i just like their tunes

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 08:46 am / quote |
RememberMyName :
Rage's purpose as a band is to raise awareness of issues that they believe should be raised. If you don't like that, get out of this comment section. I don't know why you're here in the first place if you don't like the band.
POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 09:09 am / quote |
RememberMyName :
22acacia wrote:
sure the states has committed a huge number of horrible crimes against humanity but listen up: I CHALLENGE ANY ONE OF YOU WANKS TO FIND A COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF EXISTANCE WHO HASNT.


Western Samoa

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 09:13 am / quote |
bjreidy :
cool hist, i wanna know wat they're plans for the future are.. if any.. they are better together, morello is shit as the nightwatchman
POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 09:31 am / quote |
Shaned :
i don't even really listen to rage against the machine's lyrics, i'm too preoccupied with Morello riffing away
POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 10:23 am / quote |
algemar :
Haha did anyone else notice that the author of this history of is banned now?
POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 10:31 am / quote |
NorCalLos :
morello is shit as the nightwatchman


Seriously. One of my huge influences growing up, but sad. His voice isn't so bad, but that song. I know they guy's half Irish, but I really didn't expect a drinking/folk song from him. Also, Flipdirtman, stop referring to yourself and your band in the third person. I bet you're one of those people that posts myspace comments from your personal page to your band's page sayng "you guys rock!" Hahaha.

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 12:03 pm / quote |
loinmute :
S2S wrote:

I find it weird that it says Mike D is the "drummer" for the Beastie Boys. They're just Three Emcees and One DJ.

LMAO

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 12:38 pm / quote |
red_hot_chili17 :
rock on

MORELLO FTW

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 12:59 pm / quote |
black x :
i cant wait till they come back here to america and tour so i can see them there one of my favorites

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 12:59 pm / quote |
red_hot_chili17 :
I for one would LOVE to see them before it's too late

FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

XD lmao

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 01:02 pm / quote |
Kyle_O_ Rocks :
JukeB0X Hero wrote:

y did i see this exact same article on wikipedia?


k this is kylerocks right now, this is just my other account,i had to come on here cuz i got banned for swearing on my other account, and i just wanted to tell u guys again about wat happened with the wiki thing, i was really bored one night and had nothing better to do, and i thought ug would have noticed the wiki thing, and i told u guys that about 3 times but i still see ppl complaining, "this is from wikipedia!" so i thought id tell u guys one last time b4 i lose it, and another thing is ive checked out everyones account profile thats complained and for some reason they havent submited one thing (which is kinda weird that theyre b!tchin somebody copied something when they havent done sh!t themselves) so im just warning next time i see someone that complains about this, im gonna f**king lose it, cuz these ppl that complain are probly complete guitar posers that play guitar hero but not the real deal (no offense to actual guitar players that play GH) and thats why they probly havent submited even one thing, not even a freakin tab!

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 09:27 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
22acacia wrote:

Im gonna assemble a group of dumb drunks off the street with the same liberal hippy view points and how evertything has hurt them and whining and teach them to play as well as these untalented fools in a week. Its gonna be a gauranteed hit seeing as how many ****ing retards seem to like that kind of shit around here.
ok first off you probablly dont know the first thing about playing so to teach someone how to play, oh i dont know lets try the solo for that song settle for nothing would be nigh impossible for you, and RATM couldnt possibly have the same view as hippies because hippies dont believe IN BEING AGGRESSIVE.

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 10:07 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
Alright time for one more here we go. Look as far as RATM goes on Religious points I'm not to keen I think everyone can believe whatever they want and you can rag on them for that all you want. However on the political spectrum they are NOT let me say that again NOT just something you can turn on CNN and hear the same thing, the opinions that come from that band are very well read and very educated and YES you would have to listen to them to know that. ONCE AGAIN they are also not just a band that screams "the government sucks" in the general direction of the microphone. they do do some screaming but very educated screams. and when i was 14 they really helped me straighten out my thoughts i mean between what i saw on tv and what i saw in school, so say what you want but when i couldnt take it anymore i could always just sit and jam to them.
POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 10:19 pm / quote |
metalmanbass :
way to copy and paste from wikipedia jackass.
POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 12:20 am / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
Kyle_O_ Rocks wrote:

JukeB0X Hero wrote:

y did i see this exact same article on wikipedia?

k this is kylerocks right now, this is just my other account,i had to come on here cuz i got banned for swearing on my other account, and i just wanted to tell u guys again about wat happened with the wiki thing, i was really bored one night and had nothing better to do, and i thought ug would have noticed the wiki thing, and i told u guys that about 3 times but i still see ppl complaining, "this is from wikipedia!" so i thought id tell u guys one last time b4 i lose it, and another thing is ive checked out everyones account profile thats complained and for some reason they havent submited one thing (which is kinda weird that theyre b!tchin somebody copied something when they havent done sh!t themselves) so im just warning next time i see someone that complains about this, im gonna f**king lose it, cuz these ppl that complain are probly complete guitar posers that play guitar hero but not the real deal (no offense to actual guitar players that play GH) and thats why they probly havent submited even one thing, not even a freakin tab!


i think it wouldnt have been a big deal, if you had said at the end of the article that you got it from wikipedia, and given a link to it.

guitgrinder wrote:

whoah, I really hope that was a joke by bootyking69... yikes. anyway, I like RATM, have their 3 albums, but here's my beef with them- if there are so many problems with other countries that they seem to care more about, why don't they go do something about it there? Go do volunteer work there, donate their money to them, or hell, go join their damn militia. Benefit shows are kind of a joke, unless it's something a little more personal... but a show for a "Free Tibet?" C'mon, seriously? I could see a "Cancer Relief" or something. Also, they all live here (except maybe Zach... I think he might live in Mexico) and make music here, tour here, are paid by a major label corporation here, but all they wanna do is bash our government... instead of focusing on how bad people in other countries have it and how we're to blame for everyone else's failings, why don't they strive to make things better for the people here in the U.S.? We're the ones who made it all possible for them to get on their soapboxes anyway! How many minimum wage hours does it take to buy a RATM concert ticket? It's AT LEAST 3 just to buy a copy of the self-titled album. So why don't they want to help clean up our own backyard before we go jumpin' into someone else's? That's why people are pissed about us being in Iraq, right? I think Dave Mustaine said it best when he said, "Who'd believe with the way things are here we'd be going anywhere, telling people how to live?" Again, I like RATM, but I think people let their whole message go to their heads and it gets a little out of hand at times. Thanks for reading!


i would expect that if you knew anything about rage, you might know that they do participate in protests, rallies, etc. in their own time. they dont just sit around and make music about it.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 02:53 am / quote |
illusion_101 :
yo ppl who are rippping into rage obv have no fricken idea what they are talking about. its not even there own ideas 22acaia? what the hell are you talking about man? ive never seen an article with so many morons posting retarded comments that make no sense.
POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 09:11 am / quote |
notoriousnumber :
So the guy who "wrote" this, copied it of wikipedia, swore loads, got banned, and created a new account to explain why he had got banned and how he had been bored, which spured him to copy all this stuff.

Oh god, just take this article down.

As for the actual content, its not that bad, had he written it I might have congratulated him.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 09:51 am / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
22acacia wrote:

**** this band seriously, when will you idiots give up and realize they are just liberal bullshit trash thats not even their own ideas and the musicianship is horrible on every one of there songs. its a gimic, nothing more. at the time they came out they needed something like this retarded monkey squad to appeal to 13 year old boys whos parents would buy them records much like they need my bloody valentine and other nu metal garbage to appeal to this generation of enlightened self loathing she-males who cant play for shit nor care about any real message. rehashed garbage through and through.


so then, what is your idea of a band with an "original" message, whos music you think is brilliant?

surely, if youre not an idiot, you would understand that there can really be no "original" messages, because no doubt somewhere in the world, someone else has the same idea as you. so with that claim you can **** off.

secondly, id like to see you write music as driving as they have. maybe try writing a solo that sounds in the least bit morello-esque? ive never heard anyone play like him before.

it appears to me that your thoughts are far less original than any one of the members of RAGE, and that your music (which is apparently nonexistent) is no better. dont be a fool. you may not agree with their message, but that doesnt mean that they are not allowed to express it. and the argument that "their message is not even original" is one of the lamest arguments in the book.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 03:23 pm / quote |
Kyle_O_ Rocks :
notoriousnumber wrote:

So the guy who "wrote" this, copied it of wikipedia, swore loads, got banned, and created a new account to explain why he had got banned and how he had been bored, which spured him to copy all this stuff.

Oh god, just take this article down.

As for the actual content, its not that bad, had he written it I might have congratulated him.


k dude, well first of all, i didnt go and make a new account to tell why i got banned (i already had this account for like 3 months) and i also wanted to tell everyone that i got banned cuz i was swearing, cuz some ppl thought it was cuz i copied this from wiki, and second i cant "just take this article down" because it practically belongs to UG now and theyd think im crazy to ask to take it down because they think its really good and dont no its from wiki, but of course you wouldnt no that cuz all uve posted is a review, pfft, anyone can write a review, like holy s**t you could go and write how much you enjoy taking d!ck up the a$$ and theyd post it

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 03:39 pm / quote |
Stickabee :
Rage Against the Machine is a band that has made a huge impact on our society by protesting and showing how they feel about the government.


Ha. Good one.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 05:01 pm / quote |
22acacia :
Rage Against the Machine is a band that has made a huge impact on our society by protesting and showing how they feel about the government.


No they haven't.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 05:10 pm / quote |
22acacia :
it appears to me that your thoughts are far less original than any one of the members of RAGE, and that your music (which is apparently nonexistent) is no better. dont be a fool. you may not agree with their message, but that doesnt mean that they are not allowed to express it. and the argument that "their message is not even original" is one of the lamest arguments in the book.


Nice try kid, but just because thoughts arent liberal are a tad conservative and realist, doesnt mean they arent original. The world is FULL of people who think exactly like these morons. Thats why it not their own messege.

A band with its own messege? Your not understanding the point. Nothing is new, I'll give you that, but what were seeing here is someone taking a pepsi can(RATM's ideas) and putting a RATM Cola sticker on it. Its just the same garbage that sell to people with weak minds who wanna hate their government and feel all intellegent and superior when they really never work or do shit or know anything. It nothing new, its nothing revelutionary. Its everywhere you go all over the globe and it always has been. It whining, nothing more. RATM just happened to get lucky with all the marketing and screenplay they got at the time because some rich guy, who they probly hate so much as he pays them out the ass, saw them and decided he could make money off these trained monkeys. Time is a test of real playability, this shit is nothing, not even a fad.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 05:16 pm / quote |
22acacia :
so then, what is your idea of a band with an "original" message, whos music you think is brilliant?


My idea of original music is something not droning on about how much the band thinks they know about politics, failed relationships attempt, and just whining in general.

try mastadon

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 05:20 pm / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
22acacia wrote:
Nice try kid, but just because thoughts arent liberal are a tad conservative and realist, doesnt mean they arent original. The world is FULL of people who think exactly like these morons. Thats why it not their own messege.


so youre saying your thoughts about this band are original? that what you believe is original, and what they believe isnt? lol.... you lost me there..... i mean, if that IS what youre saying, youre completely off. a lot of people dont like RAGE.

22acacia wrote:
The world is FULL of people who think exactly like these morons. Thats why it not their own messege.


..and the world of "FULL" of people (it has a lot of people) who think exactly like you do, moron. Thats why your ideas/thoughts on this topic arent your own, either. So that you may understand: ideas/thoughts cannot be "owned" by one person, they are just a collection of one's beliefs. as there are generally only two sides to things, that leaves it to be nearly IMPOSSIBLE for any ONE person or band to have a message that is COMPLETELY his/her/their "own" or that is completely "original."

22acacia wrote:
A band with its own messege? Your not understanding the point.


no, i think i understood the point perfectly, youre just trying to change it. you said, and i quote:

22acacia wrote:
they are just liberal bullshit trash thats not even their own ideas


okay, so you dont think the ideas are theirs? right? so i asked you to name band that does have its "own ideas," by your standards. i really dont think i missed any point there, as i was just asking a question anyway.





personally, i dont care what your beliefs are. regardless of what you think, RAGE voices the opinion of a large group of people (apparently one you are against). you can call them unoriginal all you like, but then again, you are alongside the rest of the people here--and all over the world--who also disagree with them, and in that sense you are being hypocritical. we can talk this to death...

the ideas of keeping an open mind, equality/freedom for everyone, that justice be done, etc. are bad things at all. RAGE fights for these things (i dont agree with EVERYTHING that zach says..), and at the very least gets these ideas out to the public, and i dont think theres anything wrong with that. nothing should be one-sided... i think the public has a responsibility to question its government. dont wanna end up in a world like 1984...

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 07:35 pm / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
22acacia wrote:

so then, what is your idea of a band with an "original" message, whos music you think is brilliant?

My idea of original music is something not droning on about how much the band thinks they know about politics, failed relationships attempt, and just whining in general.

try mastadon


i dont have much to say to that. it just made me ****ing rofl.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 07:36 pm / quote |
22acacia :
so youre saying your thoughts about this band are original? that what you believe is original, and what they believe isnt? lol.... you lost me there..... i mean, if that IS what youre saying, youre completely off. a lot of people dont like RAGE.


Stop putting words in my mouth. Plenty of people hate this band for the same reasons. Were talking about their music not being original and youve branched off into some dumbshit response.


POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 07:38 pm / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
22acacia wrote:

so youre saying your thoughts about this band are original? that what you believe is original, and what they believe isnt? lol.... you lost me there..... i mean, if that IS what youre saying, youre completely off. a lot of people dont like RAGE.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Plenty of people hate this band for the same reasons. Were talking about their music not being original and youve branched off into some dumbshit response.



i think youre trying to worm out of an uncomfortable situation in which you are wrong. i didnt put words in your mouth.. i asked QUESTIONS, and then said something that started with "if that IS what youre saying," meaning that i was unsure that that was what you were trying to get across. you could have simply said "no, thats not what i was saying...." haha.

POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 07:39 pm / quote |
RockTheCross :
i hope they come out w/ a new album. i mean come on, a reunion isn't enough.
POSTED: 08/02/2007 - 09:01 pm / quote |
GuitarUltimate? :
What happend to Renegades, i mean, i know that album exists....
POSTED: 08/03/2007 - 02:34 am / quote |
Xinlitik :
lol @ ratm fanboys. I simply love these bands that get filthy rich off the west's system, singing about how much they hate it and how corrupt it is. How can you not see that you're just being fed whatever anticonformist bullshit happens to be vogue?
POSTED: 08/03/2007 - 04:39 am / quote |
tbean1060 :
pete-c wrote:

Uhm.. it's ripped right from Wikipedia :\


yes is its

POSTED: 08/03/2007 - 03:18 pm / quote |
22acacia :
so youre saying your thoughts about this band are original? that what you believe is original, and what they believe isnt? lol.... you lost me there..... i mean, if that IS what youre saying, youre completely off. a lot of people dont like RAGE.

You're a moron, I'm not worming out of anything. Not ONCE did I say my ideas and thought were original or unique or anything. If you read more carefully you'll notice that I state that clearly. If anything you are the one worming out of shit accusing me of something completely off topic. Reading comprehension kid.

POSTED: 08/03/2007 - 05:09 pm / quote |
saad_nirvana :
Yes people do worship bands ideas for no reason....

which is why i like to have music which isnt easy to understand,like tool,that way people make meanings for themselves according to their ideas and judgements

that way they arnt blindly following people

POSTED: 08/03/2007 - 07:02 pm / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
22acacia wrote:

so youre saying your thoughts about this band are original? that what you believe is original, and what they believe isnt? lol.... you lost me there..... i mean, if that IS what youre saying, youre completely off. a lot of people dont like RAGE.

You're a moron, I'm not worming out of anything. Not ONCE did I say my ideas and thought were original or unique or anything. If you read more carefully you'll notice that I state that clearly. If anything you are the one worming out of shit accusing me of something completely off topic. Reading comprehension kid.


me off topic? werent we talking about RAGE? .....

POSTED: 08/04/2007 - 03:05 am / quote |
22acacia :
saad_nirvana :
Yes people do worship bands ideas for no reason....

which is why i like to have music which isnt easy to understand,like tool,that way people make meanings for themselves according to their ideas and judgements

that way they arnt blindly following people


Finally someone with some ****ing brains.

POSTED: 08/04/2007 - 05:35 am / quote |
MetalliRage :
one of the only bands ever to really stood for something. like it seems every time i listen to them i wanna be an anarchist and say f the gov't.
POSTED: 08/05/2007 - 12:52 am / quote |
civilunrest :
22acacia wrote:

...However, if it is in the form of something they DO bother with, meaning MUSIC, it makes things that much easier so more pure information is given to the masses, which is ideal in moving any country in the right direction...
Also it seems that you have no idea how music production works. You speak as if the artist just hand over a ****ing script/album/lyrics without 90000 people making revisions to lyrics and messege and to make sure it sells. The messege your get from ANYT famous artist is tainted and made to sell. And I'm the uneducated one, sheeeeesh.

Did you even read the article? Morello stated that RATM basically called the shots regarding releases, music etc.

POSTED: 08/05/2007 - 03:09 am / quote |
Israfel7731212 :
Man, 22acacia, you really know how to look like a total douche. They have to have worked at some point in their life to pay for their instruments and stuff. You obviously forget that RATM is from a slightly different "generation", they were from people born in the late 60's to early 80's, living from then on, through the 90's
Different generation of music.
(Off topic for a sec)Just about 15 years ago (I think, maybe 10, maybe 20, I forget), screaming vocals became a popular thing in Metal, 70's and 80's metal was singing vocals.(Back On-topic now) Though I've never got to really see the birth of bands like RATM and older bands, being that I was born in 1991 (around when RATM was formed)(I'm 15), I listen to older music, and learn the history and birth of different types of music. Though I'm more of a Metal fan, I'll listen to anything that sounds good to me and has talent. Morello had some talent. I like the way in Killing In The Name he turned a simple section of trills and sliding into a solo with his effects pedals; simple, but kinda creative, and pretty effective.
Most music today is pretty boring. I find it hard to find a addictive band, our music nowdays is shitty pop and pop rock, rap, and country. I don't hear much Bluesy music anymore (Metal evolved from Blues though, so I do find a good occasional listen that is right in the middle of both genres), and there's not that many really addictive Metal bands anymore, though more Metal bands are using different lyrics that what most do, like JFAC, their lyrics are completely off-the-wall, no emotion shit, just a sudden brutal urge to mosh and break shit. The Human Abstract is one of the few "Math Metal" bands around right now. Though Math Metal lyrics are sort've typical, the musical composition isn't. It uses odd time signatures, it jumps from speedy to snail slow in a snap, and right back to speedy, and can be really melodic if you master playing music in such time signatures as THA does. Their music sort've has a dueling guitars sound to it sometimes, which I like, and they do alot of good Octave Harmony, and their drum can make a beat for almost anything. Rap music has been, and always will be talentless shit, its just stupid. Rock is becoming stale with all the power-chord abusers, over-hyped bands, etc.

RATM music is different from the bands like them, because they had talent at least somewhere in the band, even though they might over exaggerate this or be worshipped be X amount of people, its just someones opinion.
And yes, everything I've typed so far is my opinion, based on some facts, and some of them based on others' opinions.
Today, people go with whatever's popular, which is completely retarded, because its only contributing to stagnation of the music scene.


Back to 22acacia, you did make it seem like every teenager is a total dumbass, you constantly say they're going off topic and trying to wiggle out of a situation that they're not even really in, you contradicted yourself some, and you ARE uneducated. YOU probably are the one that has been misguided.
I don't like the fact people worship bands/people for things they do, but thats what they choose to do, not me.
I disagree with you being a facist. Fascim is an authoritarian ideology that considers individual needs and interests and the like to be subordinate to the needs of the state. Stuff that usually is linked to facism is nationalism, authoritarianism, statism, militarism, corporatism (hint hint [USA!]), populism, totalitarianism, anti-communism (holy shit! there's another hint, and to more than one nation this time), racism and opposition to economic and political liberalism.
I myself support Anarchist, Communist, and Nomadic ideas. Even though I may sound like your typical Anarchist, I at least take the time to educate myself.
Yeah, US leader's have committed war crimes, but the problem is they got away with doing so, and its not right.

History repeats itself sometimes. Look at nations that made democratic style governments, and republics, all of that. They died out. France is a failing democracy. Rome was a republic, and later on crumbled by war and attempts at making it back into an empire.
Monarchy fails due to obvious reasons like fights/wars/feuds/etc. over rulership, communism fails at times when it reaches a certain point. Capitalism fails because one person is getting rich and gaining power (doesn't necessarily mean political), but it requires someone else getting screwed over. Democracy fails because of corruption, someone gaining too much power (regardless if there's checks and balances), political parties, and other reasons I can't really think of right now. Empires fall from war, tyranny, loss of money and power, feuds. Dictatorships fail when the leader gets overthrown or the whole nation crumbles.
No form of government is perfect, because government is man-made, and humankind is imperfect, so we can't make anything truly perfect.

And 22acacia, do you even play music? If so, what kind?
If its your usual rock or something, you can't play shit anyways so you're no

POSTED: 08/05/2007 - 09:03 am / quote |
Israfel7731212 :
Oh, and dude, you were the one that wasn't making valid points, the other dudes points were pretty valid to me.
How's it feel to know there's a 15 year old out there that knows more than you?

POSTED: 08/05/2007 - 09:05 am / quote |
Israfel7731212 :
How's it feel to know there's a 15 year old out there that knows more than you?

lol
just kidding btw
just felt the urge to say that.

POSTED: 08/05/2007 - 09:06 am / quote |
Eruption_Rocker :
Israfel, you ROCK! 22acacia is annoying as ****! And you just ripped his ass to shreds, socially and politically. I SALUTE YOU ROCKINGNESS!!!! lol
POSTED: 08/05/2007 - 11:29 am / quote |
 
 m 
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Kyle_O_ Rocks wrote:

k dude, well first of all, i didnt go and make a new account to tell why i got banned (i already had this account for like 3 months) and i also wanted to tell everyone that i got banned cuz i was swearing, cuz some ppl thought it was cuz i copied this from wiki, and second i cant "just take this article down" because it practically belongs to UG now and theyd think im crazy to ask to take it down because they think its really good and dont no its from wiki, but of course you wouldnt no that cuz all uve posted is a review, pfft, anyone can write a review, like holy s**t you could go and write how much you enjoy taking d!ck up the a$$ and theyd post it

Great post! First off, stop lying, you didn't get banned for swearing, you got banned for plagiarism, so much for us not knowing, huh? Second, thanks for the multi-accounts tip, you can have one permabanned and the other's ban extended for that. Third, stop talking down UG and people who write for UG (unlike you, MR Copy 'n' Paste). You're lucky to not be permanently banned from here, I'm extremely tempted to.

As for the running argument in here, 22acacia's banned, as will anyone else be who plans to troll like that.

POSTED: 08/05/2007 - 03:03 pm / quote |
guitarist_9018 :
22acacia wrote:

Also RATM does not put me off because of "their" beliefs. They put me off because they DONT HAVE THEIR OWN BELIEFS. not to mention there musicianship blows ass and there singer sound like a drowned rat gargling dishsoap on stage, but man is he mad and oppressed... lol.

so basically ur saying that if u hear something u cant agree with it and make it part of ur own beliefs because u didnt come up with it? thats ridiculous. by doing all t his hately ranting all ur doing is making urself sound like an angry old man, cursing that " new devils music that kids r listening to" and if u dont like RATM then 1) y would u read this article? and 2) y would u comment on it? u can try and bitch ur point across till ur blue in the face but obviously 99% of the people on the thread like the band and the rest are entitled to their opinions

POSTED: 08/06/2007 - 06:26 am / quote |
guitarist_9018 :
Israfel7731212 wrote:

Oh, and dude, you were the one that wasn't making valid points, the other dudes points were pretty valid to me.
How's it feel to know there's a 15 year old out there that knows more than you?

O....M...F..G....that was..awsome. i bow to u young squire

POSTED: 08/06/2007 - 06:35 am / quote |
mineral :
this article shall soon be in all history books.
POSTED: 08/07/2007 - 09:30 pm / quote |
vnv-eteRnal :
omfg why don't y'all just stfu.. if u like ratm good... if u dont.. good... there is no right or wrong...so just stfu and stop crying about what people say or how they say it... ratm had a unique sound and they always will...some of their points were valid, some may say they were full of bull... who cares the only thing that matters is their opinion was heard and probably inspired many.. i know when i listen to them it makes me want to do more than i probably would do listening to some other band... thats what music is for... to inspire... can handle it.. stfu and stop crying... f***ing douche bags..
POSTED: 08/07/2007 - 11:26 pm / quote |
benjamminnn :
22acacia, just... shut up. all of you ranting stupid people just shut up.
POSTED: 08/08/2007 - 04:06 pm / quote |
konkordmusk :
dang i wanted a history of a band called "Rage Against the Answering Machine"
POSTED: 08/09/2007 - 12:48 am / quote |
generationlost :
how many belive that 22acavia should shut the **** up say I.....IIIII ect. well the I's have it now i can go back to looking for more ways to expand my mind and yes ratm is one way of doing so.

POSTED: 08/09/2007 - 02:21 pm / quote |
the_bear_shark :
Guitar_Poet...i commend you for completely owning the ****ing shit out of 22acacia, with complete logic and also for being quite possibly the smartest person to post ive ever seen on UG...not to insult the rest of you
POSTED: 08/09/2007 - 04:51 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
22acacia wrote
Nice try kid, but just because thoughts arent liberal are a tad conservative and realist, doesnt mean they arent original. The world is FULL of people who think exactly like these morons. Thats why it not their own messege.

A band with its own messege? Your not understanding the point. Nothing is new, I'll give you that, but what were seeing here is someone taking a pepsi can(RATM's ideas) and putting a RATM Cola sticker on it. Its just the same garbage that sell to people with weak minds who wanna hate their government and feel all intellegent and superior when they really never work or do shit or know anything. It nothing new, its nothing revelutionary. Its everywhere you go all over the globe and it always has been. It whining, nothing more. RATM just happened to get lucky with all the marketing and screenplay they got at the time because some rich guy, who they probly hate so much as he pays them out the ass, saw them and decided he could make money off these trained monkeys. Time is a test of real playability, this shit is nothing, not even a fad.
so what youre saying is that if its all over the place its not original okay ill take that, but why do you think saying theirs a screwed up system is everywhere hmmm let me think could it be because it is and what i get from you is that you think the system isnt corrupt well let me tell you something it is. If it wasnt corrupt several unborn children would not be killed every day if it wasnt politicians would not be lining their pockets with what ever money was shoved in their face if it wasnt the same democrats who cast their votes as yes to enter the war would not be on television saying they are against the war if it wasnt child molesters and murderers would not be let out of prison and if it wasnt they would not be trying to erase everything that has to do with christianity from the face of the planet, and if youre simply saying that we shouldnt care then you are as ignorant as you are competant

POSTED: 08/10/2007 - 11:02 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
22acacia wrote
Nice try kid, but just because thoughts arent liberal are a tad conservative and realist, doesnt mean they arent original. The world is FULL of people who think exactly like these morons. Thats why it not their own messege.

A band with its own messege? Your not understanding the point. Nothing is new, I'll give you that, but what were seeing here is someone taking a pepsi can(RATM's ideas) and putting a RATM Cola sticker on it. Its just the same garbage that sell to people with weak minds who wanna hate their government and feel all intellegent and superior when they really never work or do shit or know anything. It nothing new, its nothing revelutionary. Its everywhere you go all over the globe and it always has been. It whining, nothing more. RATM just happened to get lucky with all the marketing and screenplay they got at the time because some rich guy, who they probly hate so much as he pays them out the ass, saw them and decided he could make money off these trained monkeys. Time is a test of real playability, this shit is nothing, not even a fad.
so what youre saying is that if its all over the place its not original okay ill take that, but why do you think saying theirs a screwed up system is everywhere hmmm let me think could it be because it is and what i get from you is that you think the system isnt corrupt well let me tell you something it is. If it wasnt corrupt several unborn children would not be killed every day if it wasnt politicians would not be lining their pockets with what ever money was shoved in their face if it wasnt the same democrats who cast their votes as yes to enter the war would not be on television saying they are against the war if it wasnt child molesters and murderers would not be let out of prison and if it wasnt they would not be trying to erase everything that has to do with christianity from the face of the planet, and if youre simply saying that we shouldnt care then you are as ignorant as you are competant and i also nottice you havent responded to any of my messages ive written about you whats the matter cant come up with anything?

POSTED: 08/10/2007 - 11:03 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
22acacia wrote:

so youre saying your thoughts about this band are original? that what you believe is original, and what they believe isnt? lol.... you lost me there..... i mean, if that IS what youre saying, youre completely off. a lot of people dont like RAGE.


Stop putting words in my mouth. Plenty of people hate this band for the same reasons. Were talking about their music not being original and youve branched off into some dumbshit response.
um actually you said that you dont like rage because theirs a million people out their that have the same view and thats kind of screwed up to say because anybody who beleives in anything has a million other people who think the same way so therefore it is impossible to be original

POSTED: 08/10/2007 - 11:10 pm / quote |
flipdirtman :
[quote]Israfel7731212 wrote:

Man, 22acacia, you really know how to look like a total douche. They have to have worked at some point in their life to pay for their instruments and stuff. You obviously forget that RATM is from a slightly different "generation", they were from people born in the late 60's to early 80's, living from then on, through the 90's
Different generation of music.
(Off topic for a sec)Just about 15 years ago (I think, maybe 10, maybe 20, I forget), screaming vocals became a popular thing in Metal, 70's and 80's metal was singing vocals.(Back On-topic now) Though I've never got to really see the birth of bands like RATM and older bands, being that I was born in 1991 (around when RATM was formed)(I'm 15), I listen to older music, and learn the history and birth of different types of music. Though I'm more of a Metal fan, I'll listen to anything that sounds good to me and has talent. Morello had some talent. I like the way in Killing In The Name he turned a simple section of trills and sliding into a solo with his effects pedals; simple, but kinda creative, and pretty effective.
Most music today is pretty boring. I find it hard to find a addictive band, our music nowdays is shitty pop and pop rock, rap, and country. I don't hear much Bluesy music anymore (Metal evolved from Blues though, so I do find a good occasional listen that is right in the middle of both genres), and there's not that many really addictive Metal bands anymore, though more Metal bands are using different lyrics that what most do, like JFAC, their lyrics are completely off-the-wall, no emotion shit, just a sudden brutal urge to mosh and break shit. The Human Abstract is one of the few "Math Metal" bands around right now. Though Math Metal lyrics are sort've typical, the musical composition isn't. It uses odd time signatures, it jumps from speedy to snail slow in a snap, and right back to speedy, and can be really melodic if you master playing music in such time signatures as THA does. Their music sort've has a dueling guitars sound to it sometimes, which I like, and they do alot of good Octave Harmony, and their drum can make a beat for almost anything. Rap music has been, and always will be talentless shit, its just stupid. Rock is becoming stale with all the power-chord abusers, over-hyped bands, etc.

RATM music is different from the bands like them, because they had talent at least somewhere in the band, even though they might over exaggerate this or be worshipped be X amount of people, its just someones opinion.
And yes, everything I've typed so far is my opinion, based on some facts, and some of them based on others' opinions.
Today, people go with whatever's popular, which is completely retarded, because its only contributing to stagnation of the music scene.


Back to 22acacia, you did make it seem like every teenager is a total dumbass, you constantly say they're going off topic and trying to wiggle out of a situation that they're not even really in, you contradicted yourself some, and you ARE uneducated. YOU probably are the one that has been misguided.
I don't like the fact people worship bands/people for things they do, but thats what they choose to do, not me.
I disagree with you being a facist. Fascim is an authoritarian ideology that considers individual needs and interests and the like to be subordinate to the needs of the state. Stuff that usually is linked to facism is nationalism, authoritarianism, statism, militarism, corporatism (hint hint [USA!]), populism, totalitarianism, anti-communism (holy shit! there's another hint, and to more than one nation this time), racism and opposition to economic and political liberalism.
I myself support Anarchist, Communist, and Nomadic ideas. Even though I may sound like your typical Anarchist, I at least take the time to educate myself.
Yeah, US leader's have committed war crimes, but the problem is they got away with doing so, and its not right.

History repeats itself sometimes. Look at nations that made democratic style governments, and republics, all of that. They died out. France is a failing democracy. Rome was a republic, and later on crumbled by war and attempts at making it back into an empire.
Monarchy fails due to obvious reasons like fights/wars/feuds/etc. over rulership, communism fails at times when it reaches a certain point. Capitalism fails because one person is getting rich and gaining power (doesn't necessarily mean political), but it requires someone else getting screwed over. Democracy fails because of corruption, someone gaining too much power (regardless if there's checks and balances), political parties, and other reasons I can't really think of right now. Empires fall from war, tyranny, loss of money and power, feuds. Dictatorships fail when the leader gets overthrown or the whole nation crumbles.
No form of government is perfect, because government is man-made, and humankind is imperfect, so we can't make anything truly perfect.

And 22acacia, do you even play music? If so, what kind?
If its your usual rock or something, yo

POSTED: 08/10/2007 - 11:24 pm / quote |
mister bass guy :
calm down guys 22acacia was banned. i know he was a total loser who hated good music, but all the comments on this article is about him instead of the second best band of the '90s(best is nirvana)
POSTED: 08/11/2007 - 12:04 am / quote |
phoenixrush :
jigy-i-joe wrote:

Zach is one of the greatest poets of our time.


are you ****ing kidding me... he's a rapper haha, not exactly poetry. i love his stuff but i definitely wouldn't call it poetry you know

POSTED: 08/11/2007 - 10:02 pm / quote |
nodice182 :
22acacia wrote:
sure the states has committed a huge number of horrible crimes against humanity but listen up: I CHALLENGE ANY ONE OF YOU WANKS TO FIND A COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF EXISTANCE WHO HASNT.


how about. . .sweden.

rage are awesome.

self-titled for the win.

my god i hope they come to australia. . .

POSTED: 08/12/2007 - 06:18 am / quote |
gyzer_8970 :
hey, does killing in the name have any racist connotations cuz they talk about "chosen whites"
POSTED: 08/14/2007 - 09:38 am / quote |
philpaj :
i just saw reage ar rock the bells and it was a life changing experience. i disagree with the particular politics yet i like the message of non conformity. he pleads the lyrics with such passion, he a legend. go see them!
POSTED: 08/14/2007 - 11:59 pm / quote |
benjaminr :
S2S wrote:

I find it weird that it says Mike D is the "drummer" for the Beastie Boys. They're just Three Emcees and One DJ.


i think the beastie boys play their own instruments too

POSTED: 08/15/2007 - 10:29 am / quote |
Renagade_O_Funk :
The coachella show was my best experience ever... Zachs speech was so huge and incourageing that he could of lead an army.
POSTED: 08/15/2007 - 11:20 am / quote |
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