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NCAA grants Gaines a sixth year of eligibility

Tennessee senior defensive back Antonio Gaines will get a sixth year of eligibility after injuring his knee early in the 2007 season.

Brad Bertani, Tennessee’s associate athletics director for compliance, said Thursday that the NCAA has granted Gaines an extension to let him play this fall so long as he “meets all progress-toward-degree requirements.”

Gaines already was playing on extended eligibility when he tore a knee ligament in the second game of the 2007 season against Southern Mississippi. He’d taken a medical redshirt as a freshman in 2003 after surgery to repair an injury from high school.

Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer said in November that the Covington, Tenn., native deserved an extension. “Antonio Gaines will get his year back. That’s cut and dry,” Fulmer said then.

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       114 Comments

Posted by BleedOrange on February 7, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang... Heard around the SEC.

Posted by IPOrange on February 7, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's what I'm talking about!

Posted by GoVol on February 7, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good news for Gaines and the VOLS...and we need some good news right now!

Posted by pms151 on February 7, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Our DB's are gonna have the depth of the BBall Vols. Go Vols!

Posted by utmdm on February 7, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Congrats young man - give em heck.

Posted by tngeoff on February 7, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Double dang...and great news!

Posted by beaznvol on February 7, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone reazize how loaded we are in the secondary?! Heck, we could put B. Vinson back on offense if we wanted! D. Willingham, Kemp, M. Johnson, Berry, Morely, Gaines etc...

Posted by tngeoff on February 7, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang! We could play 11 defensive backs. They'd all be so fast nobody could ever block them!

Posted by pms151 on February 7, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Great blitz packages shaping up. Hope we can step up and stop the run.

Posted by KingsportVol on February 7, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He has gained 195 pounds since the injury and will be moved to DE.Welcome back.Great news.

Posted by james on February 7, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's helps the returning class. Getting him back is great is like recuiting a 5 star ready to go.

Posted by JohnyLobo34 on February 7, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't remember Gaines setting the world on fire. Willingham and Johnson also worry me. Vinson is too good to move back to offense. But Moreley is outstanding and, if nothing else, this is much needed depth. I'm tired of watching UT DB's chasing receivers down field!!!!!

Posted by pms151 on February 7, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not quite like getting a 5 star, but how would you like to have the OJT with these guys?
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&...

Posted by ATLVOL1 on February 7, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agree on willingham lobo, gaines is good tho...but that being said he is as good as vinson.

we could run an 3 3 5 and blitz berry every play

Posted by KingsportVol on February 7, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He will be fine after JUCO.Don't let him eat marbles they will slow him down if he don't poop regular.Go Big Orange!!!

Posted by ctownvol on February 7, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well in that case...do you guys think the NCAA will let Albert Haynesworth and John Henderson come back for another year? Of course I'm kidding. That is good news though.

Posted by pms151 on February 7, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why don't we talk about the positive stuff in sports like Roger Clemens or something. LOL.

Posted by pms151 on February 7, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yesterday here in Houston there was a Q&A online session with the Rivals Guru and I asked him what should Nick Stephens do if he can't beat out Crompton. He said he should transfer but won't. What do you guys think?

Posted by jimr07 on February 7, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OleTouchdownTN--that Dupree comment was almost funny the first 3,000 times you said. Are you under the impression that it is funny? Is all you have to offer negativism? If you are so unhappy with the VOLS go find another team to hate.

Posted by pdhuff on February 7, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets see, Bama has 14 DTs, we have 11 DBs. Couldn't trade any, I don't guess. Maybe we'll run a 3-9 this fall. Berry tackled as well as LBs anyway. They'd be a sight running to the ball. Only 205 days or so till toe meets leather.

Posted by TommyJack on February 7, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: Al Ciraldo..back in the day.

Posted by DadwasaVol on February 7, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pms151 - looks to me that although the QB situation will be "opened up" officially, Crompton will be seen as the #1 QB going into spring practice. Stephens will challenge hard and put the coaches in a hard place to name a starter, but Crompton will win the starting job by Autumn, and we won't be disappointed. Stephens will not transfer. He'll know that he's only "one play away" from starting in the SEC.

Posted by TommyJack on February 7, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07: How does Dupree = negativism?

Posted by tngeoff on February 7, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The chances of Crompton NOT starting = ZERO.

Posted by vol1994 on February 7, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff- are you a florida fan, Alabama fan,GA fan, or UT fan?

It seems you are always so negative and I don't understand it.

I agree Fulmer has underachieved the past 5-6 years and we had a disappointing recruting season but life goes on. We have excellent running backs and better than avg receivers that can excel if coached properly in 2008. Our offensive line should be stout as well as our linebacker core.

yes the d-line lacks depth but that is our biggest weakness to say if Crompton works out. I am not drinking the Kool aid and Yes I do not think Fulmer is earning his $2million a year but he is here to stay...

Lets go to the games and support our team and hopefully we will become an elite program again.

Posted by vol1994 on February 7, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

any predictions for the 2008 season?
SEC east champs? SEC champs? is it realistic to compete for natl title? Just curious what everyone thinks.

12-0
11-1
10-2
9-3
8-4
7-5
6-6

Posted by jimr07 on February 7, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tommy Jack--it is the constant reference to a fictional recruit. An obvious attempt denegrate this recruiting class and Coach Fulmer. I live in Houston and the only news i can get about Tennessee sports is online reading this worthless newspaper and its companion in Nashville. I want to make it perfectgly clear that I am not happy with the past few years but i have asked a few times who you guys would like to see as head coach. Nothing, you just seem to want complain. I do enjoy reading the postings but i see a few that cannot seem to be satisfied with anything. The complaint was he was taking too much time to hire assistants and neglected recruiting and if he had, as someone suggested, just hire someone, then the complaint would have been he did not take his time to hire the right people. I would just like to be able to log on here one time and not see all the negativity.

Posted by TommyJack on February 7, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07: I'm in Tejas too. Most of the "negativity" is just legitimate questioning of the program. 99% if the posters here are serious TN fans. The humor? Well, sometimes it does fall short. Relax, dude.

Posted by WD40plusVol on February 7, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, jimr07, "Dupree" is reference to an actual poster on this website.

Posted by volmattna on February 7, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

not even close to having a five * we are loaded at corner vinson,willingham,rogan,johnson,evans, im glad he is back but i dont think he will play much go vols!!

Posted by nicksjuzunk on February 7, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we got it for Gaines, why could we not have held out Cottam last year in the last two games and gotten the same deal?

I heard it was a slim chance for him then.

Posted by WD40plusVol on February 7, 2008 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kinda funny but not real funny. Kinda like the new OleTDTN. Less fire but still brimstone.

Posted by WD40plusVol on February 7, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My guess is the medical redshirt in Gaines first year. As if he didn't start college until 2004, thus a "fifth" year next year.

Posted by dfreeman on February 7, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WD40plusVol - Who is Dupree??

Posted by jimr07 on February 7, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tommy Jack--good to know. I have been disappointed in our program over the past few years. I am not sure that Fulmers ability has decreased as much as the competition seems to be passing us by. Maybe with the new coaches, things will turn around this year. Look at the high profile coaches in this league. Like him or hate him, Satan is highly regarded both as a coach and a recruiter. he proved the recruiting part. Urban, man, the press fell all over themselves over him. Petrino, all the bad press and guess what, he did well. the only teams that seem to never make headway is Vandy and Kentucky. I did not necessarily jump with joy over the past season even winning the division. It always seems the but monkeys come out when discussing Tennessee football. Tn won the NC championship but........Tn. won the east division, but.........there is always a but attached to any of out accomplishments. Since i rarely watch ESPN, can you fill me in on the hate between UT and ESPN?

Posted by hglover40 on February 7, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think most of negativity is "legitimate questioning of the program". When the team played a great game last year the folks out here were just as negative, but that time they were negative about the way Kesling called the game. I even see negative post about the reporters for KNS and the topics they choose to write about.
JUST A BUNCH OF WHINNERS!!!

Coach Fulmer has more 10 win seasons than any UT coach, more 11 win seasons than any UT coach, more Bowl victories, a NC, 2 SEC championships.
And the highest winning % of any UT coach.

Most people who post aren't qualified to carry his clipboard.

You folks will never accomplish your goal of getting rid of Coach Fulmer with your constant whinning; you will however damage UT and it's reputation.

"underachieved" - BS!! Three 10 win seasons in the last 5 years is not underacieving. Yea the 5-6 was terrible, but 10 win years in the SEC should be acceptable. We play at least 2 and sometimes 3 teams a year with better players. THE STATE OF TENNESSEE is not running over with football talent. We may never out recruit FL,GA,LSA, People don't like to admit it, for them it is easier to attack Coach Fulmer.

Phillip Fulmer
job title - Head Coach
147-45 (.766)

Posted by LargeOrange on February 7, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dfreeman- Dupree is just some guy who gets on here and pretends to be a moron who works at WalMart and asks people to take him and his son fishing. Rather transparent and slightly amusing, but has been worn out. It is kind of like these same guys "pounding their Fritters" everyday on here. That is, until someone gets arrested or a recruit commits somewhere else, then they get fired up and go back to blaming Fulmer. I suggest we use the doldrums in between arrests and other negative stories from the KNS, to point out how Coach Phil has failed to stop Global Warming and how much worse it has gotten over the last decade since '98. Just a topic suggestion, it's better than "Fritter Pounding" and Dupree recruiting updates. LOL

Posted by dfreeman on February 7, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange - Oh well... I was just feeling sorry for the little guy!!! LOL

Posted by jimr07 on February 7, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hglover40 and LargeOrange--I can agree with both of you 100%. i asked one other time who they would like as head coach and they came up with Gruden, Spurrier and Pete Carroll. Never mind that they would not be available.
at any rate, i appreciated your comments. I think this thing can be turned around and think the new coaches will definitely be to our advantage. If we should go 11-2 they will complain that it should have been 12-1 and Fulmer was eating krispy kremes...another tired quip. i have seen it a least a thousand times on here.

Posted by Hunter on February 7, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OleTouchdownTN - hear Dupree has transferred his letter of intent to Roane State, also transferring to the Kingston Wal-Mart as Senior Greeter and Vice-President of Shopping Cart Operations. Rivals consequently added a * to his rating.

Posted by cjraney on February 7, 2008 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even I can see the negative thing about Dupree is that he won't be available to provide depth at DT.

OTOH, y'all may be on to something with that marble eatin. But how do convince opposing RBs it's a good idea?

Posted by LargeOrange on February 7, 2008 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jimr07- I know where you are going from, I have been stuck in GA the last 20+ years and about all I get for VOL news is on this website, so I get a little tired from all the negative tendencies of the minority of prolific negative posters on here as well. But I have learned that OTDTN and TJ and some of these guys are hard core VOLS just like we are, they just have a hard time looking for the positive and believing that we have a good program and that we are in recovery from the Randy Sanders/Kelly Washington 5-6 days. But deep down we are all wanting the same thing, some of us are a little more realistic in our expectations. Like, I don't think is will be likely that we can beat GA in Athens and FLA next year with both of them being loaded, ranked higher and having a week off before we play them, but, I am cautiously optimistic that we could, but the difference is I won't be ready to cut my wrists and fire our coaches if it doesn't happen in 2008. We have a lot of good talent and some potentially great coaches injecting some new blood into a good program. Some of us just don't look for a dark cloud around every silver lining that comes up. And we are called Fulmerites and supposedly believe every thing is perfect. I am not and I don't, but I keep the faith, maybe it is the Orange Kool-aid I have been on since I popped out of my Vol mama back in TN, 40 something years ago. GO BIG ORANGE, and keep the faith in TX!

Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 12:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07: Like you, I'm not that close to the local poop. Several years ago, Chris(?) Fowler, ESPN dude made a remark about the # of trailer parks in TN or some such. (others can help me out here). Plus I think there were other disrepectful things said. I think it has mostly blown over, but many of the faithful look for any sign that ESPN is dissing us and blow it out of proportion. (you'll learn that if you even squint your eyes at the program, you're a bedwettin, naysayin, loser/hatin, SOB) :)
From Boerne, TX, hasta loueegie.

Posted by anthony on February 8, 2008 at 12:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Justin harrell, Jessee Mahlona, John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth, we'd better just sit back and Praise the Lord for the ones we've had before He'll give us a few more!!!!

Posted by FWBVol on February 8, 2008 at 1:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Stephens won't transfer for one simple reason, he's already burned his redshirt year. If he were to transfer to another D IA school he would he'd need to transfer this year. He'd have to sit out the 2008 season and he'd be a junior in 2009.

He could transfer to a lower division and play this year as a sophomore. As DadwasaVol said, Stephens will probably be the No. 2 guy heading into the season and should realize he's only one snap away from being the starter.

All that said, from what I've heard, nobody should sell Coleman short in the battle for the starting job.

If Phillip Fulmer keeps his word and lets Dave Clawson have control over the offense there should be a lot of competition at most of the skill positions this spring. That could make for some real excitement.

Posted by Musicman74 on February 8, 2008 at 1:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep the faith people. We will be back. We may not have had the best recruiting this year, but we will have a good season next year. Also we will have a better year recruiting.

All you have to do is keep the faith. CPF knows what he is doing, or he wouldn't be the head coach. He is number two on the all time win list at Tennessee, behind Neyland. If anyone of you think you could do a better job coaching than coach Fulmer, then prove it.

GO BIG ORANGE!!!

Posted by marc_ash on February 8, 2008 at 6:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The chances of Crompton NOT starting = ZERO."

Don't be so sure Geoff. As JC will probably be the front runner for the job, he will be pushed. A lot will depend on the new style that is implemented by Clawson. I agree, JC will probably be the man likely to get the job, but some of the others will be pushing him in Spring.

Lets see how it unfolds. Should be some good competition come April.

Posted by jimr07 on February 8, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack--thanks for the update about ESPN. I boycot that channel when the openly lobbied against Peyton for the Heisman trophy. I have no respect for any of the three stooges.

Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vol1994 8:32 a.m. 2-7-08 - sorry to be late in resoponding. good post.

Perhaps semantics, but what you call negative I call realistic.

Totally agree with you in that:

1. Fulmer has underacheived.
2. Disapointing recruiting.
3. Offensive line will be stout.
4. Excellant running backs, especially if Hardesty stays healthy.
5. Fulmer is not earning his $2,000.000.00
6. D-line lacks depth

D-line not only lacks depth but talent. Go back and watch Bam and Fla and LSU games, 450-500yds given up with no push. Probably Cal also, not sure.

It's not being negative when this defense was on its heels all season. It happened, its real and I didn't like it any better than you did. I choose not to ignore it. Problems don't go away but talking about positives like great offense doesn't solve anything.
Life goes on, etc...

Now I've been a fan since high school in 1958. I've seen ups and downs, but if I've seen worse d-line play, I've forgotten it. Being a codger does that to you. Unglamorus position, but determines ball games.

Realism - having ACTUAL existence, not theoretical or imaginary. 100 points to Bama and Fla -real -Nine years - no rings -real.

I love the Vols as much as anyone but apparently see problems you don't. I'm pulling hard for Phil and company to overcome the lack of defense. Phil's done many great things for Tenn, but he must also take the blame. Comes with the territory. I digress, enjoy the repartee. People will thnk I learned from sjt18. LOL All are welcome.

Posted by johnlg00 on February 8, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07, there was also a story several years ago about an academic "scandal" at UT broken on ESPN.com that turned out to be much ado about, er, very little. After they had hyped it for some time and nothing in the way of NCAA sanctions came of it, they looked bad and blamed us--privately, of course.

Posted by NJVol on February 8, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nicksjuzunk,
I think Cottam's situation was more dependent on his NFL future than Gaines'. Since you don't find out until now (and some times maybe longer) Cottam would have missed out on the Senior Bowl, training and finding an agent while he was waiting to hear from the NCAA. He made the right decision.

I am always a pretty positive guy, but one thing I NEVER understood is how we had a 6'7" TE who was never, ever thrown a fade pass into the end zone. This always baffled me. How did Cutcliffe never exploit this mismatch of size?? Cottam on a line backer?!?!? Maybe Clawson will figure this mismatch out and throw a few to Jeff Cottam (I do remember Jeff catching one this year (Kentucky?). not exactly a fade though and his hands looked a little shakey.

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Personally, I think the ESPN anti-TN bias is real. It shows up in many ways, some not so subtle. For instance, when they put together a reel of highlights to intro a program section, if UT appears at all, it is usually us getting burned, not making a great play. Of course, their beloved Michigan, Ohio State and USC will show up in a positive light. I used to think I was paranoid, but then one day my wife pointed it out. If she noticed it, there is something there. Maybe it goes back to the subpoenas that flew around during the supposed tutoring "scandal" back a few years, I don't know.

On another topic, I had been wondering what all of this Dupree stuff was about. I even went to utsports.com and did a search (only came up w/ some LSU basketball player). Now I know.

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on February 8, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anthony,
You forgot Little and Reggie. Those Reggie bull rushes were something out of this world and Little blazing off the edge and running down wide receivers was truly an awesome sight.

Posted by sjt18 on February 8, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Predict the upcoming season?

How's that possible? We haven't seen TDTN use the term foolmer 400 times in telling us how bad the Vols looked in the O&W game yet.

Posted by sjt18 on February 8, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hglover40... Don't you remember? CPF has forgotten how to win. That winning percentage means nothing... NOTHING. The improvements since he hit rock bottom mean NOTHING. Last year's recruiting class means nothing.

Don't you understand? He's the worst coach in college football and deserves to be fired, drawn, and quartered.

**** For any novice here, I AM being facetious.

Posted by iam4ua on February 8, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm happy for the kid but didnt he get toasted like a marshmallow by JPW, Leach & some other SEC qbs?
Good luck....I think.

Posted by LargeOrange on February 8, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SJT18 "We haven't seen TDTN use the term foolmer 400 times in telling us how bad the Vols looked in the O&W game yet.
- You must have missed the post from OTDTN the other day to a serviceman in Iraq who was complaining about all of the time it took for him to scan through the hate Fulmer stuff from the "bedwettin, naysayin, loser/hatin, SOBs" (as TJ put it 12:21am) :) and OTDTN publicly swore to never use the term "Foolmer" again out of respect for the military. It has been nice to not have to read that particular insult for a few days. Maybe there is hope?...

Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: OTDTN promised to lay off the foolmer moniker. I, likewise, have pledged to cease and desist with doughnut remarks (well, I'm trying hard).
Apparently your verbosity has rubbed off on ole PDHuff (see his 8:24 post). A feller PD's age shouldn't have to type that much. I blame you and vol1994. :) Selah.

Posted by sjt18 on February 8, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, I am mostly on the wagon now. Out of respect for YOU. I am trying to limit my response sizes.

I had not seen that TDTN had done that but that's great if he has.

I personally don't think the donut references are anything more than innocent jabbing.

Thanks for the info LargeOrange. I had missed it.

Posted by sjt18 on February 8, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iam4ua, No. By the time Bama played UT, they had lost both of the CB's that started the Cal game and were playing a true Fr and a JUCO transfer backed up by another true Fr. Had two of those guys gone down, they would have had to move Berry back to CB. Had another one gone down then Hefney would have moved back.

Posted by WD40plusVol on February 8, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For those interested about the life and times of Ole Dupree, go back to articles posted on January 29 and 30 and read OleTDTN posts. Then RIP Dupree.

Posted by VOLstuckINky on February 8, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff ... you speak truth and facts .. therfore you must be a hater. Please stay off of these boards so you don't offend the fulmerites.

Posted by gavolfan81 on February 8, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Being in GA, I get to watch the media fawn all over Mark Richt. Even after his team stormed the end zone at Jacksonville. No matter what happens, Richt is the man. Now, compare the difficulties he and Fulmer have in building and maintaining a top team. UGA signed 14 in-state players who were 4-star or 5-star rated players. That doesn't county the once that got away to Auburn, South Carolina, Clemson, Alabama, USC - yes, USC got a top receiver, Arkansas, etc. If UT signed every 4 and 5 star from the state, we could not get 14. So, Richt has a media (both TV and print) who love him and never say anything bad about him, his program or his players no matter they commit the same violations as UT and he has a large, high quality supply of players within his state boundaries.

Fulmer has a media which never gives him a break or any credit in a state which produced few top quality players. I would argue the media probably does more to undermine his efforts than credits him or his staff. We can disagree and be disappointed and we all have the right to voice our opinions, but why not talk about the issues without getting so emotional that our comments become locker room and anti-recruiting material.

Posted by volmattna on February 8, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hglover. show fulmers record against meyer,spurrier,saban,tubberville,miles,richt,enough said he cant win a big game of late

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We wil be picked to finish third in the East, and being well under the radar, we will be positively dangerous. Lack of depth on the defensive line, but I am very excited about what we will put on the field. '09 recruiting will take care of itself.

Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ 10:32 a.m. I tried to end my epistle with a nod to sjt 18. Like Phil, I didn't want to take responsibility for my results. Guilty as charged. Blame it on my Funk & Wagnells Standard, circa 1940.

VolstuckINky - thanks. I learned years ago you can keep calling it a rose, but if it quacks and waddles, its a duck. I did hate 100 points racked up by Bama & Fla.

Maybe all this laid-up D-line talent will blossom in August. I hope so. It better. We don't need to stay that course.

Posted by getridoffoolmer on February 8, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hey touchdown im IN the Military and i call him FOOLMER because thats what he is! He CANT win anymore!

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer has beaten the living hell out of Richt two years in a row and three out of four. One loss to Saban at Bama. Beaten Spurrier at least twice at SC. I'd say the SEC East clinching win on the road against KY who beat the National Champs was a pretty damned big game. I just don't get some of you guys.

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer has beaten the living hell out of Richt two years in a row and three out of four. One loss to Saban at Bama. Beaten Spurrier at least twice at SC. I'd say the SEC East clinching win on the road against KY who beat the National Champs was a pretty damned big game. I just don't get some of you guys.

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer has beaten the living hell out of Richt two years in a row and three out of four. One loss to Saban at Bama. Beaten Spurrier at least twice at SC. I'd say the SEC East clinching win on the road against KY who beat the National Champs was a pretty damned big game. I just don't get some of you guys.

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry about that . . . .

Posted by getridoffoolmer on February 8, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

allvol,

so losing at least 3 games the last 4 years losing 3 SEC championship games and NOOOO BCS bids since 98 is BIG TIME Football? I just dont get you!

Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gavolfan81 12:17 p.m. Having lived there, what you say is true about Richt. Hollywood does have a "lovefest".

Not sure, but I believe our recruiting budget soars over Ga's due to geographics, so we have the ability and opportunity to go anywhere. R. Garner and Randy Sanders echoes are still being felt in K-town. Trooper leaving didn't help. We're having trouble selling this program at the moment.

It's put Phil on snack crackers going thru airports. Man.

Posted by getridoffoolmer on February 8, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

o and i forgot in 01 we had a chance to play for a NC but PP cost us the game

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yer wasting your time, AllVol. No matter what statistics you come up with, the bar will always get shifted higher to ensure that there is nothing positive about the program. You can lead a donkey to water but you can't make him smile...

Posted by TommyJack on February 8, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

losvol: Sorry, but the bar is NOT getting shifted higher. On the contrary.

Posted by hglover40 on February 8, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volmattna - What I'm trying to tell you is: Tennessee may never have the in state talent to consistently beat FL,GA, or LSU.
Look at the number of 4 and 5 star players in our state compared to FL, GA, LSU, BAMA, SC etc... - You will see we start out on uneven ground. Fulmer has kept us close in the battle for talent, and even won it back the 90s when some of those programs were down. Look at NC we used to get some guys from there, but they have a high-profile X-NFL coach now and those guys are staying home. We need a big winning streak to entice some of those recruits to leave their home state. Or if Fulmer does retiree maybe some high profile X-NFL coach could steal some of those big time recruits.

getridoffoolmer - If you were really a fan of UT you would show more respect for someone who has done so much for the school.

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Getridof . . . . , I guess we would all like to go to BCS games every year. I'm as disappointed as anybody. College football has become incredibly more level than it has ever been--we had a TWO LOSS National Champion, for Pete's sake. And Phil, if we'll remember, is the one who took the Vols to heights not seen in DECADES.

Tennessee football is not the juggernaut it was in the 90's. Everybody knows that, but NOBODY is! Richt and Meyer are new generation coaches and good ones. We'll get ours.

And I've never thought Phil was a coaching genius, but he can very much still win, and he deserves to leave whenever he is ready. I will say that all day long. Richt is one who has incredibly underacheived with his teams. Phil, by hook or crook or luck or magic turned in a HELL of a season last year, and we've got NC talent right now.

The Fulmer bashing accomplishes absolutely nothing positive for UT football.

Posted by hglover40 on February 8, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We only had a chance to play for a NC in 2001 because Coach Fulmer took a team to the swamp, a team no one gave a chance too, and he kicked the Gators. Everyone remembers we didn't pull out the SEC championship game, but don't remember who got us there!!!

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And what is so great about a BCS game? Personally, if we don't go to or win the NC, what the hell difference does it make. I guess it migh affect recruiting, but still, are you going to say "Hey, great, we won a BCS bowl?" Georgia and we got bowl trophies and neither of them said "National Champions."

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on February 8, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff,
yes we have a large recruiting budget by necessity, but just 'cause we can go anywhere doesn't mean those kids necessarily want to come here if they have an opportunity to play for their home school where their family and friends can watch him play. It's a significant challenge and disadvantage that Fulmer by and large (no pun intended) has done an outstanding job overcoming. Tennessee's situation requires us to be creative and resourceful such as sniffing out good JUCO's to fill gaps, finding overlooked diamonds and we have to be one of the best developers of talent which is an area that Fulmer's staff could probably improve on. We have a much larger margin of error to manage which is why I tend to be a bit wary about replacing a known and mostly very successful coach and system.

Posted by Classof70Vol on February 8, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Still want someone to provide an answer to the question of why so much hate towards our Vols? When's the last time any of you listened to a broadcast on national TV where positive comments on the team and program were the rule rather than the exception. Finally had to turn the sound off for the bowl game this year in order to enjoy the game.

I'm like a bunch of others on here - Stuck on the GA/SC line. I'm either being fed the BS from Augusta or Columbia about how great the in-state teams are. Like it or leave it. Fulmer is here and I've been pulling for the Vols since growing up in Memphis during the Johnny Majors playing days. The glass is half full and the Kool Aid aint bad either!!!!!!

Posted by orangebloodgmc on February 8, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yay for Gaines. Put all them cb's out there and may the best two win (starting jobs).

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by AllVol on February 8, 2008 at 1:25 p.m.

"are you going to say "Hey, great, we won a BCS bowl?"

Nope. Then the negative spin will become: there is nowhere to go now but down. If we don't win the BCS next year, the program will be described as being "in a downward spiral". You see, I've figured out how their game works... :-)

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's just come out and be honest about it: some on here simply hate Phillip Fulmer. They feel they have their reason. It doesn't matter if he managed to win the BCS championship 5 times in a row, there would still be negative rumblings from them about every move that CPF makes with the program.
Those who are either positive about the football program or willing to give the benefit of the doubt and wait to see (fulmerites, we are called) can do nothing to change their attitudes and arguments. Only one of two things will change them: Fulmer leaving the program or them choosing to change their outlook.

Posted by VOLstuckINky on February 8, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I love UT .. my orange rooms, car, office, wardrobe, trip to Berkley & Miami (01) and home games prove it out ... I think Phil is a class act stand up UT loving guy ... I hate losing to FLA, LSU, UGA, & BAMA (given we have owned Bama for most of Phil's run) ... I hate waiting for FL to lose so we can back door the SECCG ... I hate playing ACC teams in bowl games before new years.

Love vs hate .. I guess I'm a hater.

Posted by dfreeman on February 8, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ALLVol - there's a huge difference between a BCS bowl and a non-BCS bowl!! Payout difference is massive!! Also, the exposure the team gets in a BCS bowl is incredible! Other than the day each respective non-BCS bowl was played how much airtime did they get?? Now between the end of November and the BCS bowls how much mention was made of the BCS bowls and each of the teams that played in them?? 7 0ut of 10 are in the top 25 recruiting classes! 4 of those 7 are in the top 15! The three that are out?? Kansas, W. Virginia, and Hawaii! W. Virgina and Hawaii had coaching changes!! Kansas and Hawaii never have had top 25 classes! Kansas was top 40 though, and where were they last year in the recruiting rankings?? Bottom line is IT ABSOLUTELY DOES MATTER if a team is or isn't in a BCS bowl! It may just be the factor that helps get the talent that pushes you toward that title game!!

Posted by dfreeman on February 8, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VOLstayINKy - Hey genius we played a Big Ten team this year in a New Years Day bowl!!

Posted by dfreeman on February 8, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VOLstuckINky - I'm just poking, don't take that seriously!!

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The first word is besame. You probably heard Lupe say it to you. I'm not giving you the rest of it...LOL

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You might want to watch how you pronounce "ole recto". I could be misunderstood...LMBO

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

doh!

"It could be..."

Posted by losvolsganan on February 8, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey! Wait a minute! I thought you said the spanish lesssons were off!

Now I'm gonna have to bill you for another lesson.

Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volindawgland 1:28 - agree on few in state 4 & 5*s, but one thing in strictly recruiting (not coaching) is ND's ability to recruit 98% out of state. Big TV exposure and as my Catholic buddy Fletch says, "The mother church can call them in". We also used to hit NJ and Penn at one time.

Also, did you see what Minnesota did? Wow. And how does a 5* receiver go to Southern Miss? Mind-bending.

Posted by vol1994 on February 8, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by pdhuff on February 8, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vol1994 8:32 a.m. 2-7-08 - sorry to be late in resoponding. good post.

Perhaps semantics, but what you call negative I call realistic.

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Pd huff- Good post and well written. sorry it took so long to respond but at work all day, can't
type a response at the bank.

It sounds like we both agree on most issues and that our program is not considered elite anymore.

I feel Fulmer/Vols could win the SEC title next year and some would still complain.

Again good post and thanks for responding. Maybe I was too quick to jump to judgement stating you were negative. I feel we can all make a point without sounding like a bunch of old women. All we want is to WIN but I think we must support the players regardless...

thanks again!!

Posted by utbaby on February 8, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We'll need all the DB's we can get since the DL can put pressure on the QB. If we can get Martin and Walker to turn into strong pass rush ends and get some kind of push from the DT's we can have a decent defense.

Posted by hmhawk on February 9, 2008 at 2:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07=Some years back ESPN accused our players of cheating on test.Some female english teacher started this and the idiot lee corso ran with the ball.In-house and ncaa investigating found no wrong but Corso went after it like a dog worrying a bone.Screw corso and espn.This is just the basics not the whole story.At my age my memory ain't perfect.

Posted by nicksjuzunk on February 9, 2008 at 3:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When Tennessee plays football, I am happy.
When the other team is losing, I am happy.
When Tennessee isn't playing football, I am sad.
I am sad from January till August. Yes I am sad.

Ode to TN Football
by Nicksjuzunk

Posted by pdhuff on February 9, 2008 at 5:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nicksjuzunk 3:39 a.m.- good job describing the doldrums. They're here.

Posted by hmhawk on February 9, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nicksjujunk-killer ode.There is no ball like 10ec ball.I hate winter but "come on September".

Posted by nicksjuzunk on February 9, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am simply a prophet of the masses, a voice of the warriors who swamp their offices with orange sweaters and sweatshirts detailing every bowl since 1985 on every Friday in the fall.

Our desires are joined like orange and white squares on the north and south ends of the old house of glory.

Be strong friends... be strong.

Posted by pdhuff on February 9, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Many a can of barley pop will give up its life afore toe meets leather. Many a drop of sweat will be shed thru the summer waiting for the leaves to turn.

A large part of UT left when we can no longer hear Ward's "Its Football Time In Tennessee".

A quiet meandering awaits us before the great god Orange calls the faithful to the mountain. Small summer zephyrs must twirl. Peaceful doldrums are upon us.

Posted by lawvol on February 10, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1) 10 win seasons aren't what they used to be now that you have 12 game seasons, possibly a championship game, and a bowl game (10-4 = 71% winning percentage). Especially when you go 9-3 in regular season play.

2) It is riduculous to think that in order to be able to comment that Fulmer doesn't have "it" any more with relation to the rest of the conference and that he should go, that you have to be able to name his replacement. That's like saying you can't make the observation that your car won't start if you can't tell that person how to fix it. For the record, I don't know if getting rid of Fulmer is the answer.

3) I would think most fans wouldn't be too upset if we lost some games and went 9-3, as long as we didn't get unbelievably embarassed in those games. I bet people were not as negative after the 2006 loss to Florida as they were after this year's loss.

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