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Davis, Wardlow dismissed for violation of team rules

Pair had previous arrests

Dorian Davis

Dorian Davis

Antonio Wardlow

Antonio Wardlow

Tennessee football coach Phillip Fulmer announced Wednesday that sophomore linebacker Dorian Davis and sophomore safety Antonio Wardlow have been dismissed for an unspecified violation of team rules.

Wardlow played in 13 games last season as a reserve safety and on special teams. Davis played in 12 games last season and recorded 15 tackles, nine of which came on special teams.

Davis was one of several players expected to compete for a starting job at either middle or outside linebacker when spring practice begins March 11.

Wardlow did not figure to be a starter in an already deep secondary, however his brief career provided its share of highlights.

In 2006, the North Carolina native appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated after blocking a punt and recovering it in the end zone in a victory at Georgia.

On Jan. 1, he sealed a 21-17 victory over Wisconsin in the Outback Bowl with an interception near UT’s goal line late in the fourth quarter, the only interception of his career.

Fulmer could not be reached for comment Wednesday, however following his press conference last week on National Signing Day, he indicated that his patience was wearing thin after a spate of off-field incidents in the last month.

“Character and the perception of it sometimes is different than what it really is,” Fulmer said last week. “That’s why I sit in the seat that I sit in and make the decisions that I make off of what I know about the young people.

“If they’re not good people, they’re not going to be in this program.”

It appears the dismissal of Wardlow and Davis was not related to a run-in with police, and the Knoxville Police Department was not immediately aware of any recent incidents involving either Wardlow or Davis as of Wednesday night.

Both players were already on a shorter leash after previous arrests.

During the 2006 season, Wardlow was one of three players arrested when police responded to an altercation at a Knoxville nightclub following the Vols’ loss to LSU that November. He was charged with underage consumption and public intoxication and was suspended for UT’s next game at Arkansas.

Wardlow was given judicial diversion and the public intoxication charge was later dropped.

In September, police in his hometown of Iowa City, Iowa, charged Davis with disorderly conduct after he allegedly pushed and struck a mutual acquaintance during UT’s lone open date of the 2007 season.

Citing Davis’s maturation, Fulmer disciplined Davis internally for the arrest, saying at the time that the incident “really wasn’t of his instigation at all.”

Davis was also suspended for last year’s Orange and White Game for a violation of team rules.

Wednesday’s dismissals are the latest in an escalating series of punishments handed out by Fulmer in recent weeks.

Fulmer has publicly disciplined six players since two freshmen were arrested Jan. 11, the first of four consecutive weeks a Tennessee player was arrested.

Over that stretch, Knoxville and UT police have charged five players for offenses ranging from disorderly conduct to misdemeanor marijuana possession, public intoxication, underage consumption and DUI.

Only one player — walk-on defensive back Vince Faison — has been docked playing time. The 27-year-old former professional baseball player received a two-game suspension after police charged him with DUI on Feb. 2.

Other players involved in those off-field incidents have received punishments that include police ride-alongs, community service at a drug and alcohol treatment center, stricter curfews and more frequent drug tests.

Fulmer also made the entire team run at 6 a.m. the morning after the second incident involving a UT player.

Drew Edwards covers University of Tennessee football. He may be reached at 865-342-6274.

© 2008, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.

       356 Comments

Posted by DennisVols on February 13, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Many have cried that Fulmer is not tough enough when it comes to punishment. Not sure what the cause was but this is about as tough a punishment as you can get.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hate to hear this when things were settling down.

I guess I'm going to put Gen Fritter in charge of ride-alongs to keep this from happening again. He knows the KPD.

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing is worng. Everything is fnie.

Posted by Pullingguard on February 13, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Davis was projected as possible starter this fall and you know vols cannot afford to lose many of those. Must have been something pretty severe for them to be dismissed... Evidently Vols do not have anyone assigned to counsel the players and to know what is going on with them... May be that we read more press about the Vol players getting into trouble but it seems we have more of this than the other SEC teams... Bad for the team, bad for recruiting and just bad publicity for the University.

Posted by pearlific on February 13, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

why can't we use Florida's punishment rules? suspend them for the game before tennessee unless it gets moved because of a hurricane then suspend them when that game is played.

Posted by CrankE on February 13, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grammar check please. Do you mean Antonio Wardlaw?

Posted by KingsportVol on February 13, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have never heard of these guys being in trouble before.What happened to the 5 strike rule?I guess nobody was showing up for the 5am Fulmer 10k marathons.Good for you coach.FREE TD

Posted by Foolmore on February 13, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW...this has already been a long off-season...and spring practice hasn't even begun.

Posted by VOLS85 on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...CrankE...no, he means Antonio Wardlow. Wardlow would be the player that blocked the punt against Georgia that made SI, and he was the same guy that caught the interception in the bowl game against Wisconsin...

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kingsport-
TDTN is already free and back among us.
Also, Davis got arrested last year in his home state [Kansas?]for fighting and was suspended I think. Don't recall anything on Wardlow though. Anyone know?

Pullingguard-
Seems like I read Trooper Taylor filled that role before his departure but don't know if new one appointed yet.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OMG. Does this hurt this year's recruiting class rankings?

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect...

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http://tennessee.scout.com/a.z?s=7&p...

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Wisconsin had one last shot. The Badgers got to UT's 36-yard line with less than a minute left, but Donovan threw an ill-advised pass to the end zone. Wardlow timed his jumped perfectly for the pick.

"The ball was hanging up there for a while," Wardlow said. "A lot of things go through your mind while you are waiting on it. I just knew I had to go get it at its highest point and make the catch."
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KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - Three Tennessee players were suspended Monday following their arrests for disorderly conduct and underage drinking at a nightclub after the Vols’ loss to LSU.

Starting tailback Arian Foster, safety Antonio Wardlow and fullback David Holbert, all 20 years old, were charged with disorderly conduct and underage consumption of alcohol. Wardlow also was charged with public intoxication.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tag lights burned out?

Posted by KingsportVol on February 13, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pullingguard maybe we can slide the new punter that is built like Lou Ferrigno in his place.

Posted by VOLS85 on February 13, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way...people constantly criticize fulmer for not doing enough and giving everyone "5 strikes", now that he has decided to kick some players off of the team, it's bad for the school and makes us look bad...Please do tell me what we should do? Ignore that these individuals are being selfish and continue to let them be that way?! The people on this site will never be happy with anything that is done, I guess that's why they feel compelled to bi*^* about it...

Posted by yeavols on February 13, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good..let everyone know we mean business..discipline means championships..the team players arn't running the show. Lastly, they better get busy, this year's recruiting didn't help matters.

Posted by ps4610 on February 13, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pullingguard I guess your kids if you have them had several counselors just watching their every move. Lets not forget these are college kids who come on a a almost free ride and whose only real expectation is to go to class and practice. They like most 19 and 20 yr olds want to have a good time in college and everything that implies just like most of you on here. I'm sure none of you ever partied or did anything that was wrong when you were in school. Go ahead and throw the first stone. As for me I hope this is an eye opener for these two kids and that they turn their lives around and realize they are on the verge of adults and being men not little boys whose parents cover for them every step of the way although CPF tries!

Posted by mdvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LMAO TommyJack. Got to check those.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer did what he had to do. I am so glad we have him as a leader of our young men.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Great idea Kingsport. Do you really think it will work?

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like someone is proactively looking for problems rather than waiting on them... So much for CPF not demanding discipline, right?

Nah, I guess it would be too much to expect consistency from his detractors.

Tough hit on these two guys. Both could have been contributors. Both were given an incredible opportunity by UT. How exactly do you get to be Jrs and do things that stupid?

As sad as it is, I hope it will help root out other problems and prevent still others.

Where's volunteer_cowboy? I guess this opens up two scholarships that might be used for those unsigned prospects he keeps listing.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I practice teetotalism myself.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: Opens up scholarships?

Posted by KingsportVol on February 13, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General_Fritter if he can turn green I think we can pull it off.On 3 ready break

Posted by invisiblekid on February 13, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Think I'll reserve comment to see the reasons behind this, if they are given. Likely to be one of two things, academics or drug tests, otherwise it would have been on the police blotter and splattered all over GoVols.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack - Half the cars in Knoxville have a burned out signal light. Many have one or both headlights on the blink.

Posted by jh43 on February 13, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Play by the rules or go home. We have enough problems and potential does not solve any of them. Our recruiting should utilize background checks instead of just game film. I do not believe these guys go bad after they get to Knoxville. They must be punks before they get here. We need to know that before we waste scholarships.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like a failed drug test to me ,since no police were involved.All I can say to these men is, take the road less traveled like DM did.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General: Exactly. Lock'em up.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff - Yes, I am familiar with the KPD's mode of operation as I once stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, Hampton is going to have a hell of a team if they can snag a couple more of our fall-outs.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes TJ, opens up scholarships.

volunteer_cowboy has been posting names of unsigned DT and OL recruits. One was a big Massie kid from Va that plays OL. He listed 4 or 5 DL's still unsigned that were supposedly 3 or 4 star prospects.

Davis and Wardlow were both scholarship players that are no longer possessors of a scholarship.

At the risk of sounding cold hearted, they did this to themselves but there is no reason that the team shouldn't turn it into as much of a positive as they can... specifically by going after DT's or OL's that can help them soon.

Don't know if you knew but NSD just starts the period for signing. A player can be signed until sometime in April.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's go pirates.Whooo!

Posted by BigManVolFan on February 13, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK?????? Lets see here?

Wardlow and Davis are kicked off the team for " a violation team rules "

Walk-on Vince Faison is arrested for a DUI and receives a 2 game suspension.

Vareen is arrested for "Public" Intoxication. He receives community service and police ride alongs?

Paige, Brimfield, and G. Jones are hosting a highly recruited recruit and Jones and Paige get a citation for simple possession of a controlled substance(marijuana). All three receive community service, more frequent drug tests, and police ride alongs?

Our team captain, all-sec and all-american Anthony Parker got arrested for disorderly conduct and had other run ins with the police that resulted in tickets and warnings. He receives morning runs, a curfew, and police ride alongs?

My point here is that if whatever Wardlow and Davis did were a "violation of team rules", where does what these other kids here did, fall under? Are they not team rules?

Looks to me that Fulmer Jones's his way with punishment. I though the motto whn it comes to punishment and being a head coach is firm, fair, and consistent?

Posted by coach75 on February 13, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

something has to be done, we have way to many people getting into trouble. and it seems that there is a double standard depending on playing ability or potential. why did we have to wait so long to get to the point that he kicks another person out like (coke)coker. i really like phil but i feel that if something is not done then changes need to be made.

Posted by beaznvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guys please tell me something... Do police in Knoxville fight any actual crime? I love UT, but everytime I'm there it seems like I get hassled for something dumb. Hell, I'm a white guy in Law School. Twice police officers have walked over to me and asked me what was in my cup. (two plastic cups, one UT one Tennessee Titans)Both cups contained beer and no kidding, both times I had just poured my first beer. I am of legal age. Both times they told me to dump the beer onto the ground or face jail. Seriously, I know there is no legal grounds for their idiotic outlandish threats but those idiot cops will arrest you anyway and even when you win in court, you're out 1500 bucks plus court costs. Seriously, they cost Knoxville more $$$ than anyone cares to admit. Bottom line... When I hear of athletes having run ins with the police, I give the kids the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the Knoxville police have bets as to how many UT football players they can arrest and/or hand out citations to. You think I'm full of it... Check out why Steve McNair got out of his first DUI. The cop had said to another one "I'm gonna get me a Titan". The second time he was pulled over and was charged with a DUI was an incident in which he wasn't even driving. The Nashville police used the ole' "you gave the drunk guy permission to drive your car". I believe that one gets thrown out of court more times than not.
By the way, in no way was any of the above post legal advice. Just my opinion. (There you have my disclaimer)

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If they were dismissed for drugs, they aren't coming back. It doesn't seem likely that they'd be dismissed for grades a month into the new term and two months after the last grade report.

Wasn't Fellows offense rumored to be something more significant that was caught by the staff rather than the Police?

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigManVolFan, I assure you they are multiple offenders of something.This sounds to me like a Lamarcus Coker type strike deal.

Posted by beaznvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To add to my soap box, my alcohol was in a cup and at least 20,000 people were walking around me with blatant beer bottles and cans. That is what was so upsetting. When I pointed this out to the nice but tremedously ill-logical officer he explained I should worry about myself and not other folks.

Posted by DennisVols on February 13, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These two men broke a team rule bad enough to be dismissed. Anyone who can not see the value of being a Vol and obeying the rules would not be an assit that we need.
Potential is is a belief, production can be taken to the bank.
Fulmer took a step I am sure he wishes he did not have to. No one wants to see young men trow away a great opportunity but these two have done just that.
Choices and consequences. They made their choices and now must face the consequences for their actions.
This isn't Fulmers fault, they all know the rules and they understand the punishment involved.

Posted by gobigorange on February 13, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i agree with jh43 ; these kids are propably troublemakers before they come here. i think they should consider more background checks.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: Not sure kicking someone off the team frees up a scholarship? You sure about that?

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigMan, since they don't publicize every failed drug test, these guys could have been on their last chance without us knowing it. Both have had at least one public incident each.

Their offense could have also been more significant like having a dealer's quantity of drugs, academic cheating, steroids, etc.

Posted by beaznvol on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Police profile people all of the time, which is stupid and illegal in my opinion however it seems Knoxville police harass anyone.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes. TJ. I'm pretty sure that their scholarship is revoked immediately and that there would be no reason not to award it to another player.

Posted by BigManVolFan on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Both Wardlow and Davis both had trouble before, but when they are kicked off the team for rule violations, wouldnt that constitute what the other kids did as team rule violations?

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW the other player wouldn't use the scholarship until the next term anyway.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

5:14-Tngeoff is right - everthing is fine. Mix up a 5 gallon pail of kool-aid and watch "Dune". The spice will solve everything.

Beat Arkie & LSU.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 at 5:59 p.m. ,That may be the case.It could have been something that could have brought the NCAA down on us.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigMan, there is a process and procedure for dealing with these things.

When they say CPF kicked them off the team, they are giving him maybe a little too much credit. He has a policy he has to follow just like every other coach... and I would suspect that after his 2005 problems that he has a little less latitude than most.

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

King Leonidas: In the end, a Spartan's true strength lies in the warrior next to him. So give respect and honor to him, and it will be returned to you. First, you fight with your head...

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That was my reaction right from the top savage.

For those who seem to think favorites are being played here...

Wardlow would have been in the two deep at safety and had a good shot at being the nickel back. Davis would have competed for Karl's spot but more than likely would have played behind McKenzie. UT had invested significant time in developing both of those guys over the past 3 years.

Any guy projected in your two deep is someone you don't want to lose. You don't want to lose anyone like this.

Posted by Hunter on February 13, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Fulmer has been busy handing out disciplinary since January."

Where can I get "disciplinary?" Do they sell it in Wal-Mart?

I've heard of "disciplinary action," but KNS apparently can't find mistakes that a band director can catch. John Adams is earning his paycheck like the punter for the Patriots this year.....

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd, everything is NOT fine... but it IS more fine than it was before these guys got the boot. The rules have been enforced... that is what discipline requires.

If the rules themselves stopped anyone from doing anything then there would be no prisons. If a mother can't supervise one child inside a small house without punishing them... how is it reasonable to expect UT's staff to never punish players who they cannot supervise and control every minute of the day?

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff: You stole my thought. :)

I'm sure with the firepower on this site, someone can answer the question(s)..If you get booted, do you lose your scholarship, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, does it free up the scholarship?
I'll be waiting..

Posted by utchris2003 on February 13, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Violation of unspecified team rules usually will usually mean that they failed too many drug tests. To get to this point they probably fail at least 3, but more likely 4 or 5

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 - you are on top of it as usual. Thank you Sir.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 13, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I certainly hope that these young men can find there way. Oh well, it opens the door for another set of young men to step up.

Posted by IPOrange on February 13, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crap. Looks like I may have to suit up to fill the void. I run (walk) a 44 40 (no decimal intended) and can bench press the bar, but at least I'll stay out of trouble. How about it, Coach?

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General: I, for one, applaude your positive posts and overall camraderie with your Vol brethren. Quite admirable.

Posted by DennisVols on February 13, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story...

These are 3 stories from other universities who have had to kick players off the team in the past couple of month. One involves PSO and Joe Pa.
This is much bigger than UT and Fulmer. It is happening all over the country and NO ONE is imune from this happening.

Posted by pms151 on February 13, 2008 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just another argument about the perils of having to recruit on a national level. We get the thugs the hometown teams pass over.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General, this puts a serious dent in your 2008 national championship prediction. pms151 ,Wardlow was offered by Va Tech,N Carolina, NC State,and S Carolina.Davis was offered by Iowa,Iowa State,and K state.These players chose us , so that statement makes no sense.

Posted by dave1 on February 13, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have inside info that they were caught violating team fritter rules. Obviously hoarding them for thier own self indulgence.

Posted by daddyaxe on February 13, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am behind Fulmer's decision....Let the next great VOL step in their spots...NO MORE THUGS

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dave1 ,In that case they got what they deserved.Although I need to go to fritter rehab myself.5005!

Posted by Gustoly on February 13, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is about time he does his job. Kick'em all off if they can't behave. He will get some attention from the kids.

Posted by GerryOP on February 13, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Four words come to mind - David Cutcliffe Trooper Taylor! Couldn't keep Cutcliffe, could have kept Troop. Right the ship, stay the course, done it this way for 15 years, all is well.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gen Fritter, I agree it is impressive the developement of young men under Phil's watch. He rules with an iron fist.

Is there any chance while leading them into battle (ala Pickett's charge) he would look around and only see Cooter and Dupree left behind him?

Beat Arkie.

Posted by nafslov on February 13, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh well .....Another "breaking story " from Channel 8 WVLT sports team ( sports clowns) Why doesn't Coach Fulmer ban the Vols from ANY interviews with these clowns !!!! They just love to publish "trash" on our team , NEVER anything positive ! Boycott WATE and WVLT !!!! Go Vols !

Posted by WD40plusVol on February 13, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beazn, when I was there 20 plus years ago there was an open container law. In fact I remember a story of a guy standing on the sidewalk outside his own house talking on the phone (cordless, cell phones weren't prominent then) and getting arrested.

Posted by nafslov on February 13, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey capstone4117 if you want choirboys , go watch Div IIA ( the division Austin Rogers and Ryan Karl should have played in )Slow white boys !!! Oh sorry, we recruited another loser ( Bartholomew )!!!! Miami, Florida State,LSU and yes Tennessee win with REAL players not choirboys !!!! Go Vols !

Posted by jcvet on February 13, 2008 at 7:41 p.m.

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Posted by Vols1998 on February 13, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't be over their shoulders 24/7, bad decisions lead to this.....its not CPF fault, its these young men that made the decision.

Posted by rckymtngator on February 13, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This constant string of arrests and legal issues is having a negative impact on your recruiting. I live in Colorado, and this latest incident was reported here. Opposing SEC schools are making sure that parents of recruits know about these issues. All schools have legal issues, it just seems that UT has more of them. Regardless of who is at fault, the Head Coach and AD has to step in put an end to this.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov ,Rogers runs a 4.4 40.Miami, and FSU?????Have you seen their record lately?Well I'll let you look it up.To be a great personal attacker like TDTN, you atleast must have your facts close to correct.Good luck.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov ,Rogers runs a 4.4 40.Miami, and FSU?????Have you seen their record lately?Well I'll let you look it up.To be a great personal attacker like TDTN, you atleast must have your facts close to correct.Good luck.

Posted by bossvol351 on February 13, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought what capstone said was stupid, but nafslov took "stupid" to another level!

Posted by GreerVol22 on February 13, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer needs some new boots! His old ones are planted firmly somewhere on the backside of these young men.

General, I stand corrected. Deep down we knew this was coming...it just took a while.

Posted by VOLnATL on February 13, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like we are the new Miami!

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov has some sort of irrational bias against Rogers.

I posted a response on another thread to his ridiculous ideas about the guy. Rogers had the 3rd best reception total last year out of the last 4 years and did it on a team with one of the top two (Taylor). He had the 4th highest yardage total for a year in the last 4 years. Better than Swain or Smith ever did... and better than Meachem for 2 out of 3 years.

Who doesn't want a tough WR that blocks well and catches over the middle? Trooper called him a "deep threat" in August before Ainge's injury...

In spite of 56 catches and 624 yards in his first full, healthy year... nafslov has decided he isn't any good.

Posted by pdhuff on February 13, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep on eatin' till you get enuf. The spin machines must have good bearings.

Sadly, some of this circus of behavior will turn attention to the ringmaster. Even teflon wears out. At $38,000.00+ a week, some modicum of responsibility, albeit small, must be placed at the feet of the one in charge. Yes, it happens at other schools, but that doen't make it any more swallerable.

What a year for Phillip. Win a bowl game. OC and best recruiter leave and the troops act up with alarming regularity. Sad.

Posted by thesavageorange on February 13, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have my adult beverage , and my fritters.Time for b-ball.Nice dunk!

Posted by UTVol39 on February 13, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All we have to do is bring back the charts. That and that alone will turn this program in the right direction.

Ride the Wave!!!
Free TDTN!!!

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: Correcto mundo, wise one.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd and TJ-
In all seriousness, what do you guys think would eliminate these problems? I don't really have any great ideas on the discipline front. What do y'all think we should be doing differently to prevent this stuff?

Posted by utwick on February 13, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just hope that the team can channel some of its "energy and aggression to good use on the paying field.

Posted by waterskier3 on February 13, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

at this rate those 2 and 3 star freshman will be playing next year with the walk on punter :):)

the last time we had this many issue in the offseason we went 5-6....... with that happen again??? i don't think so but 4 losses for sure

Posted by philfan on February 13, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff,

Fulmer kicked the two players off the team. In addition, the two men may have difficulty finding jobs when employers find out they have criminal records. Also, they may never get a college education because of their records. What did you want Fulmer to do,crucify them? I think you are jealous of the 38,000 dollars Fulmer makes per week. Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it. As far as these two characters are concerned, good riddance! Fulmer and the new coaches everyone wanted will find two more who really want to play Tennessee football and want a good education.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These guys should write a letter to apologize and then the Vol faithful will want him back I bet.

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pleasegetridofthenotsosmartonefromalabama

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff.

I am becoming concerned about the sniper situation. No matter what, do not forget about your Dad Jorel and the strength that you have available (and your real name - Kalel). I remind you through this video of your truth and ask you to turn from the ending that Tennessee football has driven you to.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lMs6ve5mFRU

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- I am actually from Knoxville and am a Tennessee Basketball fan and a future UT football fan. I will let you guess when.

Posted by st98 on February 13, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These guys are not starters, but they are key contributors on special teams and could have provided depth. Depth is what always seperates good teams from great teams. With a recruiting class that was not great and short in the number signed, we may not struggle this year but will feel the effects of all this in 2 years. At this rate we may not have a depth chart at certain positions come football time. Do the pictures of these 2 resemble each other?

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASEGETRIDOFTHEFAIRWEATHERFAN - That is right, I remember now, you are the one with the man crush on Boise St's Peterson. Tell me who were you a fan of before CBP? Kentucky or Florida in basketball, USC in football, Texas in baseball? You either love the Vols or you don't, it is obvious you don't, you can hate Fulmer, but you admitted you aren't even a Vol fan (right now). Stay away, the Vols don't need you as a fan just when it is convenient for you.

Posted by IPOrange on February 13, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting video, tngeoff. Is it just me, or does it appear that the building leaper has obtained a bottomless bottle? That would be a priceless item for sure.

Posted by jimr07 on February 13, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coach75--i have, for the most part, been in Fulmer's corner, but now............

rckymtngator--just got back from Denver. was up there in the most beautiful country you can imagine.

KEEP TDTN OFF

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pleasegetridof - actually you are from Morristown! At least claim that!! By the way, I did see Chrisman! Here's something that'll make you smile! AAAAAAAYE THARRRR BIGGGUN!!! Remember that??

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jimr: You naysaying, doom&gloomer, loser/hater!!

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Tommy, have you been to Fort Worth in a while? If so, is Risky's brisket still there in the stockyards??

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was just like you too LargeOrange. I looked forward to every weekeend in the fall and would plan my weekends around UT games. I slowly began to realize that it was a waste of my time. Fans spend so much money to go to a game much less have season tickets. The University is throwing money into the football program. They and myself are not gettting the return out of the investment and I have been ready for a change for quite some time. And yes, I do have a man crush on Peterson. Check out what he has to work with and see what he does. Yes, I was a b-ball fan before CBP. However, it was for not because the last two coaches we had were a nice Christian guy who couldn't coach and another guy who rivaled Bozo the Clown. CBP talks the game and brings it. CPF doesn't talk at all and when he does, it is comical to everyone outside the state of Tennessee. Don't give me this "Your either a Vols fan or your not" crap. Do you go to a restraunt that serves bad food? Why should I support a program that produces a bad product when it has the best ingrediants? You call it fairweathered, I call it I'm not wasting my time supporting garbage.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this is really bad, yes fulmer let them go and probably had a real good reason BUT remember the graduation rate rule! if a player is signed to a scholarship, automaticly the player has to graduate to keep the team percentage up or we lose ships the next year

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman: No, don't get up there much. Once pounded a few in Billy Bobs. Live close to S.A.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman- You're right, I should admit the Mo-town connection. Chrisman might even rival Fulmer as the worst coach with talent that I have seen. That team he had your freshman and sophomore year didn't even make it out of the region! Little Man, Lamont, Chuck P, ......there was soooo much talent. What a joke.

Posted by LazhilUT on February 13, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There ya go Fulmer!
Let's take the trash out!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OL still unsigned: bobby massie, scott mcnichols, teavis durgin, james francis, ryan benzik and joe semple and on the DL: teddy dargin, dion foster, john michael bryant, kyle thomas, malcom jefferies, chris enos, herman marshall, aterio arnold, jonathon browning(lb) so could we not sign none of these kids? they had intrest in UT look at scout and rival and they havent signed with anybody, and we lost JT floyd to michagan so why not reuben johnson to replace he is rated the same hight and he is faster

Posted by b_schlechter200 on February 13, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They should not only be kicked off the team, but should be expelled from UT. You can't trust athletes to be positive role models for our children anymore.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE-
You're so right, what have I been thinking? Who wants to go to a restaurant that serves up a 10 win season and a berth in the conference title game? You should refuse to pay and never come back. See yaaa!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

we have 3 extra ships to give out no wait 4. huges davis wardlaw and walls. if lucas taylor doesnt pick up his grades there will be 5

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pd and TJ-
In all seriousness, what do you guys think would eliminate these problems? I don't really have any great ideas on the discipline front. What do y'all think we should be doing differently to prevent this stuff?

pd? TJ? Any ideas?

Posted by Ironcity on February 13, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pleasegetrid, what does it take to satisfy you? I know 10-3 is garbage. I just want to know what would be satisfactory for you. Then tell me what it would take to actually make you happy. Then tell me how many teams at this moment you could actually support? Once you have done that, I will let everyone else pick your arguemment apart.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cjraney- Are they a top 10 team? Have they been in 6 years? Have they had top 10 recruiting classes? Please research the following and see who is not getting the return out of their investment. Find me 1 other program with these types of players over the past 6 years who has not finished in the top 10. I will be waiting for some time.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

take their ships away for a year and make them get a job and pay their on way, they will be to busy and to tired to find trouble

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironcity- A top 10 team at the end of the year would satisfy me. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening for some time now.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The word on Taylor was that he took the wrong classes, not that he had bad grades.

Walls isn't out yet nor is Hughes.

In case no one posted it, the rumor is that at least Davis was booted for a failed drug test.

don't know about Wardlow.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cowboy, Apparently someone IS doing what needs to be done.... tighten the clamps until the message gets across.

Posted by sjt18 on February 13, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guys... Don't feed the troll.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The 6-foot-4, 230-pound linebacker's name appeared on Northwest (Miss.) Community College's list of 2008 signees. Walls signed his letter of intent with the Vols last Wednesday.

UT officials are still hopeful Walls will be academically eligible to enroll this summer.

If not, Walls will enroll at Northwest or Hargrave Military Academy in Chatham, Va.

His eventual destination will depend on his academic standing, with the worst-case scenario being Northwest.

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ - riverwalk is the bomb!!

Pleasegetridof - I remember the Dobbins Bennett game where Little Man took it to the house as time ran down. Knocked them out of the playoffs. The next game we played was agains T. Helton and his Knox Central Bobcats we got hammered!! You forgot to mention Boo Collins (lost his full ride to Clemson blowing his knee out at Campbell Co. Tim Curry who went to MTSU with Boo. If L could have stayed out of Brushy Mountain he would have been great somewhere!! Had his Jersey retired at Lincoln heights. Good Memories, but I hated Calisthenics!!

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASESTOPWASTINGALLOFOURTIME - Good analogy about the restaurant, why would you spend nearly everyday of your life sitting outside of the restaurant complaining about the food? THAT would be a huge waste of your time, which is what you do on this board. Find yourself a restaurant (team) that has food (a program) that you like and give the rest of us a break from your constant bitching and moaning.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

taylor didnt have the grades to play in bowl game and that doesnt equal up to wrong classes it equals up to GPA not high enough

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you realize that this team has averaged more than 4 losses a year over the past 6 years? FOUR!!! If you are content with this for what the university puts into the program than you need a reality check.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and there was also another that didnt play in bowl because of grades. it was either adam myres-white or rico mccoy

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volunteer_cowboy - that was Mccoy!!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so they could possibly have 6 ships

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- Just as you are passionate about your love for Fulmer and the Vols, I am passionate about my dislike for him. I have that right and will continue to be on this board until a change is made. Hopefully not after another 5-6 year.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE-
Without even thinking about it I can tell you FSU is underachieving far worse than UT over your arbitrary time period.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dont say it wont or couldnt happen because as a matter of fact let me introduce you to #20 MORLEY

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman- I remeber that Central game. Trivia time- Do you remember the name of that little running back that ran all over us?

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18-
Sometimes it's fun to poke the troll.

Wonder how many stars JuJuan Smith had when he walked on at UT? Go Vols!

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pleasegetridof - I guess we'll see you here for a pretty long time huh? LOL Fulmer isn't going anywhere and you know that!! That is unless he decides to leave on his own!

Posted by IPOrange on February 13, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think sjt is right about Taylor - his GPA wasn't the problem, it was that he hadn't taken enough classes in his major, or something like that. That's not a problem with failure; it could very well be an academic advisor issue.

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fla st wont have ships if they dont get the 37 or so guys back and graduate a bunch of them. their grad rate will be so LOWWWWWWW

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kippy Bayless, couldn't tackle him to save our lives. The hardest back to tackle however was S. Summers from Oak Ridge!! He ended up at UT with Little Man, but returning punts!! I think Bayless ended up at Austin Peay though not sure!!

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

volunteer_cowboy-
Bolden was the 3d missing for the bowl game.

But sjt18 is correct on Lucas Taylor. The problem wasn't his overall GPA it was not the right classes towards his major or the right core subjects or something. Regardless, all 3 are expected back in the fall.

Posted by tngeoff on February 13, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IPOrange.

Yup...it was a bit strange indeed. I have tipped a shot or two back in the day and don't ever remember the bottle lasting that long!

Anybody: Did posivol dismiss Davis and Wardlow too? This obviously happened yesterday and that was when posivol was dismissing everybody.

By the way...I'm sure it had nothing to do with Coach Chavis going to talk to the Falcons...but the timing is a bit odd. Two defensive players dismissed and a thin orange line on that side of the ball. I'm thinkin' we revolutionize defensive thinking. Six best linebackers. All moving before the ball is snapped to disrupt blocking assignments. Five best defensive backs swarming like fire ants. Attack...attack...attack!

Posted by volunteer_cowboy on February 13, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

night all check post at 10:18!!! we have ships to give away

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I remember when Johnny Majors walked into the office and said hello to me. He came to school that day and offered Little Man a Scholarship! I was on cloud 9!!

Posted by dvols on February 13, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

george bush's fault

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dvols - leave that stuff out, there are too many people on here that love to jump all over that subject!! This is Tennessee sports.... focus!!

Posted by UT_Fan on February 13, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NOTSOSLIMEONE
I do know a team with argueable the best sophomore to ever play the game and they finished 3rd in the SEC east and the were ranked 13 and 15.

Posted by bossvol351 on February 13, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cjraney, GIVE UP!!! pleaseshootmeinthehead just doesn't get it! "A" for effort though.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dfreeman-
Agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

UT_Fan- I also know a team that returned only one starter from a national championship defense that also finished 13 and 15. That is amazing!

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dfreeman- You are correct. Are you forgetting Mudturtle from Greenville though? Or who was that cat from Cocke County?

Posted by agentorange on February 13, 2008 at 11:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FULMER ALWAYS KICKED OFF THE IDIOTS. YOU COULD MAKE AN NFL TEAM WITH THE GUYS WE BOOTED. PLEASE DROP DEAD IF YOU'RE A CHICKEN LITTLE. WE DON'T NEED YOU. THIS HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. WASN'T NEWS UNTIL $20K A YEAR DORKS NEEDED TO REPORT ON 18 YR KIDS BEING KIDS TO MAKE A LIVING. FEEL SORRY FOR THEM ALL AND B. SPEARS TOO. SAME TYPE OF COVERAGE AND ITS DISGUSTING. THE KNS IS ABOUT TO MAKE ME PAY FOR AN OUTING ON THE TARDS WHO REPORT FOR IT. ACCORDING TO THE STANDRDS NOW, EVERY REPORTER IS A PUBLIC FIGURE SO ANYTHING ON THEM IS FAIR GAME. IT COSTS LESS THAN $50 FOR AN AUTOTRACK.

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASEWHATEVER - I, unlike you (Peterson) don't love any other men including Coach Fulmer, I do love the VOLS and Tennessee, that means all of Tennessee every sport and every team, not just the ones that are peaking at the time. You may want to leave Knoxville every now and then and get some perspective, I grew up in East Tn. but I have lived in Georgia for 20+ years and you had better believe that the VOLS are not considered a joke down here or anywhere else when I travel around the country. If 10 wins and a #12 poll finish is not worth your time, you may want to get yourself a reality check. The way I look at it, the good Lord is only going to allow me time to see a finite number of Tennessee games before I am done on this earth, and I am not going to waste any of them out of hatred for one man. I admit it, I could not stand Randy Sanders, and I wasn't too crazy about Johnny the last few years (sorry General_F err I mean TDTN), but I still wrote that check for my season tickets every March 1st, and headed north on I-75 every Saturday, and have for 25 years and I hope I am able to do it for 50 more. It is your right to bitch all you want, and hold your breath till you turn blue, but you are not going to get CPF fired, he will leave when he is good and ready and not before, so what is the real waste of your time?

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Birdie Dockery I think was the back for Newport! I remember Science Hill had a guy that ran a sub 4.3 in the 40! Had him as a wideout! Name was Toby Patton I think! Man I think half of the guys I played with ended up in Brushy MTN though!! My mom used to tell me we'd have our reunion in pin stripes! LOL

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agentorange-
Hilarious.

LargeOrange-
Amen. Go Vols!

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- Real sweet story. Do you support the men's soccer team at Tennessee also? And if you think that another 5-6 season won't get him fired, than you are crazy. And if they didn't fire him after that, then the administartion is crazy. I like what you say about only having a limited amount of time left on earth. That is my exact point......Why wait for a change? Do it now! The youth of today have spoken and do not want to play for UT under Fulmer.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What's sad Dustin is that I would give anything to go back to those days.

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I miss alot about those days!! Life only moves forward though doesn't it? However that's better than the alternative! LOL

Posted by LargeOrange on February 13, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASEGETAREALLIFEINTHEPRESENTNOT THEPAST - I actually think soccer is pretty boring, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if I was channel surfing and happened upon the VOL Soccer team, I would set down the remote and watch the rest of the game. It is either in your blood or it is not. Troll poking is over for tonight, you can go back to your fond memories of HS when all was right with the world and the VOLS won every game. But before I go, tell me who was the coach that was in charge when you got all of these fond memories of top 10 finishes every year?

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cjraney: Don't have the answer. My guess is that the President of UT will jump down Mikey's throat, who will in turn jump down CPF's throat. Getting out of hand.
Phil needs to identify team leader(s) and put pressure on them to pressure the goons. Need 2 strike policy. 4-5 chances is not realistic.
Just my take.

Posted by PLEASEGETRIDOFTHENOTSOSLIMONE on February 13, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LargeOrange- For your info, soccer is the most popular sport in the world and UT does not have a men's team so good luck supporting them. As for your question, Fulmore was. However, his time has passed. As has Piterno's, Bowden's, and thankfully Carr's. New, young, and energenic blood is needed at the top. Good night and sweet dreams. Hopefully dreams of overachievement and less off the field incidents.

Posted by dfreeman on February 13, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ - I agree with that 100%!! I am getting frustrated reading this BS every week!! I don't care how good they are, start showing them the door! There is always someone there that will follow rules!!

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dustin: I know. Discipline is a 2 edged sword. You can discipline your self right out of business. Somehow, respect has to be instilled. Don't know if it's CPF or what, but someone is failing, and the buck stops with him. 2 stikes and you're toast.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ-
I also believe in putting pressure on the players to take care of their own. I also think that some of the sunrise running ideas floated awhile back would at least get their attention. But not just one morning, at least a week or two for each incident.

Posted by cjraney on February 13, 2008 at 11:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE-
There actually is a UT men's soccer team but I believe it's classified as a "club team" meaning they don't get the funding. I think there is an NCAA cap on the total # of officially sanctioned athletic teams the university can maintain. Someone else may know more on that.

Posted by TommyJack on February 13, 2008 at 11:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CJ: Agree. Some seniors need to step up.

Posted by utchris2003 on February 14, 2008 at 1:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is not a cap on # of teams. Soccer has been a sport that the UTAD has been looking to add for at least 7 or years now. There are several factors that are holding it back. First, there is a lack of other teams within the SEC that have Men's soccer. The next issue would be that you would have to add at least one more Women's sport to balance out requirements of Title IX. The Women's sport would probably be Lacrosse due to its growing popularity and the fact that other SEC teams are adding it to their programs over the next few years.

Posted by anthony on February 14, 2008 at 2:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it's the seriousness of the charges.. while underground knoxville deals drugs and lord knows what else, the police department takes the heat off of itself and it effectiveness by making headlines involving high profile athletes, and writers at local newspapers scurry around acting important in cohoots with local authorities. Why not call in John McCain and let's investigate some more high profile individuals while the world enters the united states through the southern border of Arizona!!! Nothing like freedom of the press, is there MEN!!

Posted by brdteton on February 14, 2008 at 4:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go out on a date with each other and get it over with......

Posted by Madkels on February 14, 2008 at 4:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How does Coach Pearl keep his guys out of this mess? I guess it's easier managing fewer people or is it more respect for the coaches?

Posted by dfreeman on February 14, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

brdteton - who are you talking to?

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i think one of the worst things that happened in college sports was the elimination of the athletic dorm. when we had athletic dorms they were all in one place. wish we oould go back to that.

Posted by Greyback_Vol on February 14, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What does Fulmer and his staff have to do to keep these guys in line? This last month or so has just been one episode after another. I give credit to Fulmer for cracking down and sending a message to the team several weeks ago, but at some point these young "men" have to learn personal responsibility. It's amazing that these players continue to act like this despite the warnings and punishments handed down.

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it is also amazing that they do not realize what a great opportunity they are throwing away. too bad.

Posted by THE_VOL on February 14, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WHAT??? ARE YOU SERIOUS???? DID UT HAVE A COACHING CHANGE?????

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

volunteer_cowboy said:

"taylor didnt have the grades to play in bowl game and that doesnt equal up to wrong classes it equals up to GPA not high enough"

Do you have direct knowledge or a source?

The person who reported that it was a failure to take the right classes has been a very reliable source.

Posted by LazhilUT on February 14, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So Lucas Taylor takes the "wrong" class and messes up his grades and then he gets a pass...
An then we say our program is clean? NCAA come on in we have sh*t everywhere, let's clean the house!!!
C'mon people! I was at UT 2 years ago and if I ever walked into any college's advising office and said hey I'm on probation because I took the wrong class, they would laugh at me and tell me to go get a tutor and study! Would any of us during our UT days get a pass just because we signed up for the wrong class? Are you guys freakin' kidding me?
Even if you take the wrong class towards your degree that still counts towards your GPA and towards your your total credit hours for the semester. Makes me wonder what kind of criteria they have for football players...

Posted by tngeoff on February 14, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07.

Yes. That was the worst thing. The second worst thing? Herscel Walkers successful sell out after formation of USFL. There he saw an opportunity to do something then forbidden by NFL rules, namely, to turn professional after the end of his junior season rather than wait for his collegiate class to graduate. This act opened the floodgates to disloyalty and self absorbed players whose primary goal is personal success and not team success. Like I've said before, if someone ever got the cahones to take a stand and force recruits to stay four years or repay their scholarship and be immediately removed from the team if they file for pro draft status, we would see a tremendous reshift back to much stronger long term teams. Yes. In the short run some top players would opt to go elsewhere. So, foes that mean we would have a weaker recruiting class than this year? You do the math. Enough of these two year and out players who use the University to serve themselves. If ONE school would start and not waver more would follow and eventually the NCAA would move to make it rule of law AGAIN. It just needs stronger contractual language. The language was how Walker beat the system and opened the flood gates and did serious damage to college football. Today many younger folks think it's always been like it is now with players leaving early. No. It was not.

Posted by VOLinDAWGland on February 14, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a lot about leadership and demanding respect from the players. It is more then CPF it is also, probably more so, for the position coaches who have a more direct contact/relationship with the players than the HC. It is also about leadership from within the players as well. When we experienced the rash of issues around 2004/2005, Randy Sanders was a big part of the problem as he was not an effective leader and apparently did not have the respect of the players. Things calmed down with Cut and his crew in charge. Issues spiked again during the time that Cut and staff left and the new staff was coming on and getting established which left a leadership void. Give the new staff some time to establish discipline and leadership and see if things settle down. I know Wardlow and Davis are on the defensive side so it doesnt' explain thier issue. These are very young men who are still maturing and will make mistakes, especially in a leadership void situation. Some guys will be disciplined and focused and never cause trouble, others will be good character guys, but will make mistakes and their mistakes will need to be dealt with and they will learn from it, others are harder cases that won't respond to discipline and won't exhibit evidence of desire or ability to change...these need to be identified and dismissed. The toughest ones are those that you just know are deep down very good people, but they just can't seem to control their urges and follow the rules and ultimately have to be dismissed which is a tough thing to do. I think that was probably the case with Coker.

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 14, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LazhilUTDelt,
Is your fraternity still full of gay nerds?

Posted by General_Fritter on February 14, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thesavageorange: Not really Sir. I think Fulmer is best when his back is against the wall. If he can field a full roster, he can still win it all. Happy Fritter Day to you all. That's what my wife and I call it. Don't speculate to hard on that last point as you may go blind.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here we go again! I'm glad to see coach Fulmer dismiss these guys, maybe the rest of the team will get the message.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MemfrisVOL: It has 1 less than it did 2 years ago...

Posted by D_in_Iraq on February 14, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Large Orange, I'm with you man... I love UT Sports in General, Men's or Women's.

And hell, we finished 12th in Football, the Swimming is 11th, Mens Hoops are #4 while the women are #1, Men's Track is #1, Women are #2, and Women's Softball is back to #4 with a bunch of new faces! The Women's Soccer team is also in the Top 15, and both Tennis Teams are Top 25... I am also hearing great things about the baseball team and the direction they are heading with the new Coach and talented young players!

So yes, I pull for the Vols in ALL sports and don't just arbitrarily dismiss all sports besides Men's Basketball and Football.

In regards to Soccer, Uh, last I knew we had a Men's Soccer team that competes in the Southeastern Collegiate Soccer League (SCSL). So if they have discontinued as Mr. Pleaseslimyone has stated, then that would be news to me also... (and if so, maybe it is because only a few of the SEC Schools have Club Teams, and the Conference can't get their act together...) And yes, I would definitely watch the UT Club Team if I had the CHANCE!

GO VOLS and True Vol Fans!

Posted by jclowers on February 14, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a sad day for two guys who had an excellent opportunity and let it slip through their hands. Looking at this I only see two reasons. Either the guys did something really bad... or Fulmer is really pissed off at all these players getting arrested. Either way if you play football for UT, now would not be the time to do something stupid...

Posted by LazhilUT on February 14, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MemfrisVOL,
Check your facts, if such rumor is true, that is not my fraternity...just ask around UT.

Posted by 99gator on February 14, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

this stuff happens everywhere and it's sad.

i don't know why people shoot themselves in the foot. i am always saddened by this stuff because it should be unnecessary.

just like kids out of high school who don't academically qualify. at my high school, anyone who was scholarship material at any level, in any sport, that coach rode them hard to make sure they did not miss out because they got a "D" in home ec.

my brother and i always have a bet as to how many players are suspended for florida's season opener.

you can't fix stupid

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

D_in_: I have to draw the line with soccer. Futbol :)

Posted by marc_ash on February 14, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The important thing to take out of this article is what fulmer said about character. "If they aren't good people, they aren't going to be in this program". WOW.

People, that says a lot. No telling what these young men did...but you can be assured it wasn't anything small. Maybe it will surface at some point. Either way, I'm sure Fulmer did the right thing. He's used to giving multiple chances...this one must have been a pretty big straw.

Go Vols....Davis and Wardlow, get your lives together.

Posted by orangebloodgmc on February 14, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As fans, we have seen many scholarship athletes make many mistakes over many years, and we have seen consequences, learned lessons ... we get it. We groan "not again!" when we see it happen yet again.

But there are new batches of young folks coming through the system all the time who did not witness all this history like we have, and they have to continue to be taught. Its ongoing, not because the coaches are deficient, but because there are new cohorts of silly puppies who have to mature out of their bad ideas, and some need relatively little guidance and correction, while others need more. C'est la vie.

Posted by 99gator on February 14, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

there is no men's soccer in the SEC due to title IX. i don't want to get into politics here and ruffle feathers....but that is the main reason.

florida has women's soccer, women's gymnastics, women's volleyball, and is about to add women's lacrosse.

florida has none of those sports on the men's side.

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 14, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LazhilUTDelt,
I just checked my facts and and asked around and yes, I am talking about your beloved gay nerd fratenity.

Posted by marc_ash on February 14, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BigManVolFan, I understand the point you are trying to make, but you cannot compare the different situations if you do not know what Davis/Wardlow did. There are rules of confidentiality that may apply here.

I have no idea what the two men did in this instance and am not trying to "stir anything up". However, as an example if they committed a horrible crime or hurt someone else, then maybe the punishment was called for. There are some things that are deal breakers.

Posted by marc_ash on February 14, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt, good points. Lets use these 2 open scholarships to bring in some folks. There are some young men out there still needing to sign, lets see if Fulmer et. al can bring em in.

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff--man, you must have read my mind. i think you are so right. i cannot blame a guy that never had anything taking the big bucks being offered. Most of them take classes that will keep them eligible so they can leave early. I have some great examples of guys that should never have done it beginning with Heath Shuler. Look at Meachem. did not play a down. Justin Harrell, played maybe 20% of the plays for Green Bay. Peerless Price, Donte Stallworth and Kelly Washington are hardly havin HOF careers. some did well, Jamal Lewis comes to mind. One of the things i admired so much about Peyton was that he kept his word.

KEEP TDTN BANNED

Posted by D_in_Iraq on February 14, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tommy,

Ok, maybe I carried the Futbol thing a little too far, heh heh heh...

Regards, D

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think coach Fulmer hit the nail on the head when he mentioned character and perception being different. When recruiting its great to get 4 and 5 star athletes, but when we have a choice between which athletes we want, obviously we want the most talented. Talented kids with troubled pasts equals talented kids with troubled futures (most of the time) I think we have to find kids for our program whose character exceeds their talent. Also I'll take a guy with heart and character over a guy with talent anyday! Thats why I was a big Don Devoe fan. He could take guys of average talent and big hearts and mold them into winners!

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

D_in_Iraq: Keep your head down, man. And aim low, they may be riding shetlands.

Posted by iam4ua on February 14, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fulmer probably saw no future for these kids so he made an example out of them in an attempt to show the inmates who is in charge. Funny how the starters never get booted.

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack--i am worried. i actually agreed with something you said. soccer is boring. If it was not for so many Hispanics in this country, i doubt that it would even be mentioned. back to football. i do not know how you judge charachter of a high school player other than his high school coach. most coaches are going to give them a pass in order to get his boys at a major program. It must have something to do with major college football. you do not see these problems in the lower classifications.

KEEP TDTN BANNED.

Posted by cjraney on February 14, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iam4ua-
Thanks for chiming in. We all know Bammer is the first university that springs to mind when discussing character and integrity.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ima4ua, you won't look nearly so foolish if you'll actually educate yourself before posting.

Davis was set to compete for the starting job vacated by Ryan Karl. Had Morley not returned, Wardlow probably would have started beside Berry. As it was, he was set to be the first guy off the bench.

FTR, Fellows who would have been a Sr and starter last year at CB was given the boot. He had been a Fr All SEC player. He is currently attending NFL tryout camps and prepping for combines. He may be drafted.

LaMarcus Coker could have easily been the starter at RB had his head been on straight. Last year was supposed to be his breakout year. Booted.

Bolden, Taylor, and McCoy were among the players suspended for the Bowl game.

Your case doesn't hold water.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr: Don't know. Suspect it's the same on any level, just less exposure to press. OTOH, the more pampered the athlete is in high skewl, the more apt they are to screw up later. Maybe? Don't really have the data on that..just a guess.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One way to find out a prospects character is to spend more time with them and get to know the person, not just the athlete! Of course this isn't fullproof as we know we all make mistakes, especially at that age, but it could eliminate a few bad apples. Character is built at home, maybe we should look harder at the type parent(s) some of these kids have and their environments!

Posted by pdhuff on February 14, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, call Mikey. I know you're an insider. Phil needs a hug.

Posted by tngeoff on February 14, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07.

Right! And good examples too. At this point, either we need to do away with the NCAA and just play the cards as they are...professional status hidden in gimmikery...or return to the thought that these young men are coming to play ball for the University they feel has the tradition and honor that they would like to be a part of. Then IF they perform well enough through their senior season, the they will be seasoned enough and ready to earn the NFL caliber income. It is time to get out the middle of the road. Smart man said, "Man who walks in the middle of the road gets hit by traffic going both ways," A very good perspective on college football today and divided loyalties of team followers all across the Country.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: Phil will get another Mikey hug when he eeks out another win in OT against an inferior opponent.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jimr07,

You might not see it at D2 or D3 schools as much but it might be even worse at FCS schools. It just isn't big news.

It is a matter of demographics. Most of the top talents are black kids. Unfortunately, black kids are highly subject to growing up in a home without their father at a much higher rate than society at large. The single greatest predictor of poverty and crime amongst young people is the absence of the father in the home.

Back in the early 60's a Congressman named Patrick Moynihan reported on the dire condition and potential consequences in the black community due to the illegitimacy and fatherless homes. He saw the problem as urgent with a illegitimacy rate of 35% in the black community as opposed to about 5% in amongst whites. Today, something over 60% of black kids are born out of wedlock while the national rate is close to 40%.

We are headed for trouble and problems like you see with these two guys are just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by dfreeman on February 14, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack - I agree with that and I'll go a step further. It really starts at the homefront!! Of all of these athletes that have been booted how many of them took responsibility for their actions.... Two!! Morley is an exception to the rule, and G. Jones was raised better! Morley had a horrible environment from what I'm told, but had the character to get past it and want better for his child! G. Jones chose to step up as well, and it all came back to strong family values! I think this is why both of them are still wearing the T in their helmet!!

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18--again, someone that has been reading my mind. i owned some apartments here in houston and it was sad to see how many fatherless homes there were. I remember well senator moynihans remarks and he was absolutely run out of the senate. I do not have an answer and if i did i would not be sitting here reading this board. i do think that the elimination of the athletic dorm has had a major role in these disciplanary problems.

Posted by LazhilUT on February 14, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MemfrisVOL, wrong.
The one you must be talking about didn't use to be in the row and we are not currently active.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DF: Totally agree. Question is, how do you apply this with respect to recruiting? We could recruit only bright, 2 parent kids. But how would that tranlate into winning %.
I think having a strong, energetic, respected HC is part of the solution.

Posted by 55_Vol on February 14, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18... the screen name iam4ua explains most of his post.

Perhaps in using the moniker "fair and balanced" reporting, KNS should also search for other SEC schools who have booted players off the team. Do you guys look for that type of information KNS?

Posted by jimr07 on February 14, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

55_Vol--you know they don't. In fact they seem to delight in finding fault.

Posted by Pullingguard on February 14, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Are the percentages really that bad for football scholarship players... SEC teams average 85 on scholarship so that rounded off is approximately 1,000 Players... High profile sometimes border line in academics from varied backgrounds and you throw them into the high profile melting pot of SEC football and some of them continue to do the things that were common place for them prior to arriving on campus... Real challenge in getting them organized in school, meeting rigors of football training, meeting the grade levels, scraping the bottom of barrel for spending money and they make mistakes and people write, put them in the slammer, throw out the bums, etc., etc., and it just goes to show how hard hearted the fans and followers who expect choir boys then football players. The same people who call them Bums are the same people who call for perfection on game day... These young men are under a ton of pressure, striving to meet the expectations far and above what many of them ever expected. A few exceed the limits of tolerance, therefore dismissed and as they go we should be extending our sincere wish for their future success and appreciation for their contributions at UT while there.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There are exceptions to the rule! A kid from a broken home does not always turn out like his parent(s). Sometimes coming from a broken home can mold a person to not want to be like their parent(s) and therefore gives them a good character and good values. These are usually the kids that don't want to go to college close to home.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iam4ua needs some credibilty lessons from 99gator.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, having a "strong, energetic, respected HC" didn't stop problems at UGA, Bama, LSU, OU, Miami, etc.

It isn't reasonable to expect a coach to fix 100% of the effects of 17 years of socialization in a few months or years of a guy's life and especially not in an environment like college... ANY COACH.

You can't run a football team with the discipline that you run an army unit with... and the military STILL boots guys for these kinds of problems.

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 14, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LazhilUTDelt,
If youre talking about phi delt i do take it back. If not youre still a gay nerd. Really though, im just busting your balls because you put your affiliation in your name.
My f house was also off the row, looked like a dentist's office, and is no longer active...

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: If you had read my post, I said "part" of the solution. I don't have the answers, tho I suspect you do. Have you ever been called a blow-hard? Nitpicker? Just curious.

Posted by dfreeman on February 14, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack - I think you're right! I also think that some of these kids wouldn't respect anyone now matter who their coach is! Also, this stuff was happening back in the 80's as well. Reggie Cobb and Tony Robinson are two huge names I can remember right off the bat!! This stuff isn't new, there is just more media coverage that eats this stuff up as well!! Also certain media outlets certainly seem to take a little more joy reporting this stuff about certain schools more than others!! That's why Parkers arrest stayed on Espn's website for two weeks leading up to national signing day!! Day after?? Gone!!

Posted by mparker on February 14, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well, you hard-a## types got what you wanted. These are two pretty good players thrown off. CPF has gotten rid of players over the years (onterrio, lamarcus come to mind w/o too much thinking), so I've never understood the criticism of him being too lax.

I think next year has the chance to be a real downer for UT. Crompton's never shown me anything to be excited about, and our D-line still lacks depth. Every ohter team in the SEC seems to be on the way 'up', so we are facing some dogfights.

This team has got to get tough; they need the discipline from last year (few penalites), but more playmaking.

Get ready to be tough yourselves, fans.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have been reading where there have been arrests, and other problems at other major universities. I just read the other day about player problems at Indiana. This isn't just a problem at UT

Posted by johnlg00 on February 14, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LazhilUTDelt, I think you have some facts wrong about the Lucas situation. For one thing, there are two different sets of rules at issue here. The relevant one here states that in order to be eligible to play sports according to the NCAA, an athlete must pass so many credit hours per year that count toward his major. It is called the "acceptable progress" rule. Football players especially take light loads during their seasons. They usually make up the difference by taking relatively heavy loads during the summer. In Lucas' case, he took only six hours in the fall, as many football players do, but one of his courses was not considered to be in his major. It was NEVER an issue of his GPA, it was that with the courses he took, he couldn't reach the necessary total of credits in his major over the 2007 school year. He was NOT on university probation, he was ruled ineligible by NCAA rules that do not apply to non-scholarship students. If you want to gripe that scholarship recipients shouldn't be subject to different rules than regular students, that is your right, but it involves a different issue than the one you were arguing, whatever that was. There is at most an issue of incorrect advisement here, and I am sure that the responsible individual(s) have been, ah, counseled about doing their jobs properly.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bigorange. The effects aren't always direct. The societal effect is that it lowers the cultural bar. For every kid that pulls himself up by his bootstraps and escapes a bad situation, there's 1 or 2 that come from decent homes that are influenced by the bad eggs and end up expanding the problem.

Modern sophistication DEMANDS that we don't stereotype anyone. Well meaning parents avoid teaching their sons and daughters to avoid getting involved with kids from bad backgrounds. While that sounds noble... it sets them up for failure. It is easy for them to buy into the lie that tolerance means acceptance of what someone does... and even participation in it... especially when what is being offered is "fun".

Society in America was once self-correcting morally. Now the one moral absolute seems to be that you can't suggest moral absolutes or judgment of any sort. Aberrant behavior was once ostracized. As cruel as it sounds, it minimized the effects and suffering from problems like this. Which is more cruel? A tolerance that results in more pain, poverty, and crime or an "intolerance" that results in a more successful, stable society of individuals?

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: You REALLY remind me of Cliff Claven.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, I didn't say that you said you had the whole answer. I disputed that the "partial" answer you gave has alot of bearing on these particular problems.

"Have you ever been called a blow-hard?"

No. Mostly just the opposite.

"Nitpicker? Just curious."

Occasionally but not as a rule.

How about you? Just curious.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, If you actually knew me, that Cliff Claven idea would dissolve immediately.

Honestly I could throw darts back at you... but I enjoy your posts and like what I know of you so I'd just as soon not.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 Wow, that would have been a great post if I could understand it all. Thats not a reflection on you, but me. You have to "dummyfy" (my new word) things for this ol' Tennessee redneck. *LOL* I do believe though and have taught my kids to don't hang around bad people. The bible tells Christians to not hang around non Christians as Godliness shouldn't have fellowship with un-Godliness. Who a kid chooses for his friends will make or break a kid in life!

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt: Forgive. No offense intended. Just a little attempted humor.

Posted by pdhuff on February 14, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, sjt18 needs a hug. Take him a an apple fritter. He figures things out for us.

Beat Ga.

Posted by johnlg00 on February 14, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

On another issue of differing standards, it is a bit amusing that several of you seem to think that accepting a scholarship means that a student must then be FORBIDDEN from making a living in his chosen field for an arbitrary length of time. If someone takes a university scholarship to study, let's say, computer science and in his sophomore year some game company offers him a six-figure job to design games, do you think he has to say, "No, sorry, I'm stuck here on this scholarship"? An athletic scholarship is awarded on a year-to-year basis, and it can easily be taken away for any number of reasons. The school is relatively free to take away a scholarship at almost any time, so why is it unfair for a player to decide not to pursue his college athletic career for reasons that seem good to him? Some of you are just pining for a past "golden age" that probably never existed and probably wasn't so "golden" for everyone even if it did.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pretty close bigorange.

If there five young friends and four of them grow up in a bad home then one of those might pull himself up... but the kid from the good home is just as likely or more so to be dragged down.

We live in a society where many think and many more are being taught that moral judgments are inherently bad.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bigorange, I can almost guarantee that my hillbilly redneck heritage is at least as deep as yours. One of my ancestors bought land in WNC from the Cherokees before the removal.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

johnlg: Very progressive thinking.

PD: If I stop at Ralph's, nothing will make it to sjt's house.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18- But for the grace of God, where would I be. Like anywhere, there are clicks on the UT football team, and I'm sure that the bad apples and wild ones find that there is that click on the team, and they join in. It goes back to home and what kind of clicks they were in there, because most likely they want friends on the team like they had at home.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18 But when you go out on the porch of your trailer to holler for your dog, does 10 or more dogs come running toward you? If so, you might be a redneck *LOL*

Posted by pdhuff on February 14, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

True johnlg00 - I majored in Bud, waterskiing, fishing and girls. Minored in business. Majored also in bidness and muscle cars. Hard to study with a J-2 Olds sitting in the driveway.

You find very, very few true friends in life. They do affect you whether you realize it at the time or not. Some apples do not roll far from the tree, others go way down the hill.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry boys, its lunchtime!

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bigorange, I currently don't have neighbors close enough for other dogs to come running.

TJ, if you are coming to my house, you need to buy your fritters by the gross.

Posted by LazhilUT on February 14, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Memfris, no biggie man. I wasn't trippin'.
I prefer not to say the name but no it's not us and no I'm not any of those things you said haha...
I just put that in my name because I lost the password of my old name.
I thought you guys were building a new house at the new row?
Oh well...back to football.

stay the course...

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 14, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Laz, I meant the delt in the house next to presidential cafeteria, shut down in like 98...but whatever. i havent heard anything about building a knew house but i wouldnt cuz i dont really care.
G'ARNGE

Posted by pdhuff on February 14, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In this gloomy article, two other names come to mind. Jimmy Streater and Tony Robinson. Life is a winding road.

Posted by tngeoff on February 14, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rumors swirling. It would be good for Coach Fulmer to make a statement.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The redneck is back!

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigOdude: If we're gonna try to "out red-neck" one another, we need to invite the Mullet Nation.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ I can tell by previous posts in this forum that there are bigger rednecks in here than me. Who is Mullet Nation?

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

geoff, What kind of statement?

I've never seen them give specifics in a case like this.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigO: Bama fans.

Posted by tngeoff on February 14, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sjt18.

I don't know exactly what kind of statement he should make or if it even involves the dismissal of these two. Rumor has it that an NCAA representative is either on campus now or is to arrive today or tomorrow as a result of another schools leveling some type of charges against us. Anybody else have a read on that?

Posted by volboy81 on February 14, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope most of the poster children on this page aren't claiming they're UT fans!

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ- I guess I need to get with the current lingo, hadn't heard Bama fans called that. I have heard them called a lot worse though. I know we are joking, but there really are more rednecks in Bama than Tennessee. Certainly there are more mamas in Alabama with boys who have the middle name of Bob than anywhere else.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geoff: Sheesh. I hope that's bogus info.

Posted by 99gator on February 14, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

for you rednecks......(and i am not one)

you can't truly be a redneck if you don't have a velcro wallet.

so, fess up if you don't, you are out of the running.

you must also own a wire mesh baseball hat.

and

either have shot yourself while hunting, shot someone else, or know someone who has shot themselves or someone else while hunting.

those are some of the qualifications (as i understand them) to be an elite redneck.

if only there were recruiting ranking for redneckism

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator You can't be a Gator fan and be a redneck, thats for sure! Yuppie better describes Gator fans. Real Tennessee rednecks don't own velcro wallets, they own gator skin wallets! After we skin the Gators in Knoxville next year it might be time for a new wallet

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where did the info come from?

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BigO: Not so fast my friend. I've driven thru Palatka.

99: velcro wallets. good one.

volboy: Why do you say that?

Posted by bigbluevol on February 14, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bigorangedude, you must never have been to gainesville. I assure you, there are some redneck Florida fans.

Posted by 1974Vol on February 14, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think these guys got dismissed for stopping the clock at the Lady Vols Rutgers game and for being at Jose Canseco's party disguised as Roger Clemmens. At least that's what my inside sources are saying.

Posted by 99gator on February 14, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah, florida has some serious rednecks.

in fact, some of the florida rednecks go above and beyond to prove their redneckness because most people don't consider florida to be a southern state.

that means florida rednecks have to work even harder than most to get true redneck standing.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1974Vol- Now thats funny! *LOL*

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator I apology to you and the Florida redneck nation! I didn't realize so many were coming out of the closet in Florida. So some words of encouragement to you Florida rednecks "Git R Done"

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99: There's worse things than being considered southern.

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 14, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gainesville has the worst kind of rednecks and whats up with all those bugs that fly around screwing eachother...theyre everywhere.

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 14, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i think theyre called "lovebugs"

Posted by 55_Vol on February 14, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator....now that's funny right thar, I don't care who you are...

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm glad 99gator has come out of the closet. Its obvious you are a redneck in denial 99. But hey, we all are rednecks in here and we dang sure wanna help you into the light. The first step to being a good redneck is: STOP BEING A GATOR FAN!

Posted by 99gator on February 14, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bigorangedude

i can't be a redneck. someone had to explain to me what a fritter was.

that is an immediate disqualification

Posted by dwolfcreek on February 14, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MAYBE THEY CAN GET A JOB ON A DAM GARBAGE TRUCK.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator a good fritter has a critter inside, usually roadkill

Posted by jcherrie on February 14, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Based on the blogs - I'm thinking of creating a modern play about Fulmer. It might start something like this:

Antagonist: Fulmer should have publically announced that the new recruits totally suck rocks – What a bunch of losers

Supporter: Fulmer recruits well and then helps those recruits turn into NFL talent

Antagonist: Fulmer can’t recruit

Supporter: Fulmer’s record compares favorable to the great coaches – Steve Spurrier, Joe Paterno, Bobby Bowden – 1 NC, great winning percentage, SEC titles

Anagonist: That’s only because Fulmer recruits well

Antagonist: Fulmer is a bad game day coach

Supporter: But he won a lot of close games

Antagonist: That’s because of luck – we were 4 plays away from finishing last in the SEC east.
Supporter: We were 4 plays away from winning a national championship in 2005

Antagonist: The program is out of control. If Fulmer used the appropriate punishment – such as tying up the offenders and used them as tackling dummies, no 18 year old football ever, ever have another sip of beer.

Supporter: The Knoxville Police Department is to blame. “I remember once when a football player was in the library studying physics and the police ripped the book out of his hand and threw him to the ground and said ‘I’ll show thermodynamics!’ as they beat him over the head with a slide-rule.

Supporter : Fulmer is 100% Tennessee – a true Vol!

Antagonist: Fulmer shouldn’t wear orange – he looks like a damn pumpkin!

Antagonist: Fulmer is as fat as a pig!

Supporter: Fulmer is well nourished.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jcherrie- that was very creative. Just for the record I'm well nourished *LOL*

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jcherrie: You could have a future in the writing bidness.

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think maybe you should model it a little more on "Waiting for Godot".

Posted by volfan5521 on February 14, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99: all the rednecks in florida are transplants, the only thing native to Florida are roaches they call them "palmetto bugs" and sand fleas, Go Vols!!!

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 14, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and Tim Tebow wears jorts.

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hope you all have a blessed day and a happy valentines day. I'm outta here!

Posted by cjraney on February 14, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jorts-hadn't heard that one is a while. Always makes me laugh.

Posted by cjraney on February 14, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jcherrie-
You may have a real money maker on your hands with the right marketing. Said marketing should include a giant fritter-themed tailgate party sponsored by G. Dickel or J. Daniels. Opening night should be precisely timed to take maximum advantage of the dreaded doldrums. Afterward, KPD can be on hand to provide educational ride-alongs.

Posted by NickS4117 on February 14, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Saban's first freshman class (2007) had over a 3.0 cumulative GPA. He recruits character and talent. These two traits are not mutually exclusive. I am as excited as heck about the future! Go Vols!

Posted by losvolsganan on February 14, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, that's what I hate about busy days at work. I missed iam4ua as he expertly combined his low level thought processes with his hunt-and-peck keyboard skills in another successful attempt at wowing the GVX blog. Dang!

iam4ua's residence:
http://boortz.com/more/funny/redneck_pic...

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jcherrie......Maybe you could classify me as a "supporter" because...1)I'm a Volfan 2) I hate seeing WATE and WVLT "sports clowns" like Russo, Nagi, and Packer being paparazzing patrol on our players ( they are the real losers in the Knoxville sports arena)3) I think the team is more important than the news at 6 or "breaking news" on WATE or WVLT Go Vols ! Supporter

Posted by orangebloodgmc on February 14, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

99gator wrote: "there is no men's soccer in the SEC due to title IX. i don't want to get into politics here and ruffle feathers....but that is the main reason."

WRONG, podnah. There are at least 2 SEC schools, that are also the flagship universities of their states, that have ncaa intervarsity men's soccer: Kentucky and South Carolina. Meanwhile, all of the ACC, the Big 10, and the PAC 10 have intervarsity men's soccer, not to mention private schools like Notre Dame. It could be argued that Southern Cal
Trojans, Michigan, Penn State and Florida State are just as much football schools as Tennessee ... how come they can have men's soccer and we can't? The fact is, if the good ole boys want it to happen, it can easily happen. Title IX is just an excuse. They can just add more women's scholarship sports.

I am a redneck hillbilly who grew up loving no sport but SEC football, which I still love, but once I PLAYED soccer as an adult, then I understood the game much better to watch it. There are few sports like it for allowing, even encouraging, relatively unstructured creativity. There is room for soccer and football.

Posted by losvolsganan on February 14, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If I keep on being so "well nourished", I may need some kind of "Supporter".

Just kidding, jcherrie. Excellent analysis!

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

orangebloodmc ?????? "PLAYED soccer as an adult" !!! We have David Beckham on the board folks !!!! Wow!!!! Go to DIV IIIA and watch soccer , you can also watch slow white boys play football there....Where the Ryan Karl and the Bartholomew brothers belong ! Go Vols !

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

At least nafslov spared Rogers this time... Did you ever read either one of my responses concerning him?

Again on Bartholomew- he hasn't played... maybe you should wait to pass judgment. While his bro was opening holes at UT I seem to remember their running game being better than now, right?

Karl was a starter ahead of guys with more athletic ability than he had. He worked his tail off and laid all he had on the field for UT from the time he arrived even playing with a significant arm injury... now what was it that you were saying?

Posted by losvolsganan on February 14, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder why nafslov always brings up skin color in his comments? Seems to me that speed is not a factor that directly correlates to skin color.

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whew sjt18 ....hard on ol' naf today , huh ?? Karl was a "wasted jersey" unless you have him in the same league as Al Wilson , Jack Reynolds HahHah ! Who was was Will Bartholomew and what NFL team did he play for ? The same one the Clausen brothers played for and maybe Rogers will sign with them ! By the way,Dale Carter played with a broken arm !!!Go Vols !

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

losvolsganan....that's a racist comment....Please refrain....Go Vols !

Posted by sjt18 on February 14, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nope. Most of the guys who play college football never make the pros. In fact, I doubt there's ever been a NC that had most of its players go on to play in the NFL.

Karl was a two year starter. I'm not suggesting he's better than UT greats... just that he laid it out there for UT and deserves more respect than you are showing him.

Bartholomew didn't fit any NFL mold and WAS too slow for that level. He still had a very productive career at UT.

Roger's stats speak for themselves. I doubt he is NFL material and may never be... but he played better than any Soph at WR UT has had in awhile.

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well sjt18 ....I have to agree with all you said , except Karl was not a DIV 1A player.....the jury is still out on Rogers....Good points....Go Vols !

Posted by marc_ash on February 14, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by bigorangedude on February 14, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There are exceptions to the rule! A kid from a broken home does not always turn out like his parent(s). Sometimes coming from a broken home can mold a person to not want to be like their parent(s) and therefore gives them a good character and good values. These are usually the kids that don't want to go to college close to home.

Again, absolutely correct. I understand the issues with family upbringing. But what about those folks that come from HORRIBLE families and make something of themselves?? There are THOUSANDS of folks that had nothing. I lived in the projects in Las Vegas with my single and unemployed mother. I ate government cheese and powdered milk for a week and went without food for days at a time. We got evicted...from the projects (now thats bad). I made a choice to eventually work hard and not follow the same mistakes my mother did.

I think it is a testament to people that pull themselves up to do good for themselves. There are many people that have bad upbringings. Some do well and some do not. The difference is those that make excuses and those that do not.

I commend all of those who have worked hard and overcome hardships. I wish the best for these young men, maybe this will be what it takes for them to turn things around.

Posted by cjraney on February 14, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

naf @ 4:55-
You are the one constantly bringing up the race of players you don't like. You should take your own advice and refrain. And since when does a player's NFL career have any bearing on how they performed while wearing the Orange & White?

Posted by tngeoff on February 14, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

naslov.

Here is the Jack Reynolds you were laughing at.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_%22Hac...

kaplan. If you had a guy on here always race baiting against black players...would you remove him? I guess I'm just wondering if we have the same standard here that is found most places. Impune a black athlete and you're a racist and get punished. Impune a white player and it's not only okay...it's funny! Just curious.

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cjraney ...Sadly you are wrong....Bartholomew and Karl were below average college players ( their race had nothing to do with their ability to "waste a jersey") Go Vols !

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff What ???? I said Karl was not in the same league as Reynolds and Wilson !!!!! Jack Reynolds was a REAL linebacker ! Go Vols !

Posted by cjraney on February 14, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

naf-
Exactly what am I wrong about? You addressed nothing in my post.

tngeoff-
I hear you. I don't see any humor in it regardless of the race involved. If Mr. Kaplan addresses this matter I certainly wouldn't complain.

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cjraney Race comments have no place in this forum...I agree on what you said there...Go Vols ! tngeoff don't understand your post ????? Go Vols !

Posted by tngeoff on February 14, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov.

My bad. Please accept my apology.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nafslov: I once thought Lazziefrat was the dumbest poster on here. I'll move him to number 2.

Posted by nafslov on February 14, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack You must be one of those "sports clowns" at WATE or WVLT , huh ? Nah..you're a pretty smart poster and I agree with you most the time....Soooo be easy on the ol' naf. Go Vols !

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

naf: You win. I'll move Lazzie back to the pole position. lol

Posted by pdhuff on February 14, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ, where was ol' 12TIMES in your rankings?

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PD: 12 times was obviously impaired. I reserve my rankings for those that should be competent enough to know better. You went to Ralph's today, didn't you?

Posted by dvol on February 14, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Men,I agree they had to go. One thing is for sure though. When you recruit like Phil you can't throw to many off.

Posted by utmdm on February 14, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where are the Doldrums? Our players are creating too much excitement. Doldrums .. Please!!!!

Posted by budrhon on February 14, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How much bad news can we take, first this, now the TV series "24" not airing until 2009 and Kathleen Turner has "porked out" to 250lbs+. Too much to deal with, lol.

Posted by TommyJack on February 14, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

budhron: No 24 this year?

Posted by budrhon on February 14, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TJ: Nope... those D@#& writers being on strike caused the production to set back to where they would be finishing in the summer if they were to air this season. They've filmed 8 episodes, but then came the strike. Guess I'll get more into the Terminator show.

Posted by GerryOP on February 14, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on, budrhon! Seeing Kathleen Turner on TV this morning certainly ruined my day. There seems to be no end to the dark cloud hanging over all of us.

However, I will give Coach Fulmer some credit. A recommendation after the case of the last footVol miscreant was to tell the team that the next player getting into trouble doesn't need to call anyone in the UTAD office -- just pack your shi ... er ... stuff and go home. Guess these two clowns did not get the message. So be it.

Posted by volnfl on February 14, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I remember the time when jesse walker screwed up on the vols squad a few years back...ole Phil ran him off too!

Posted by pdhuff on February 15, 2008 at 6:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Doldrums trying to settle in again. Note- trying.

Posted by tngeoff on February 15, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Doldrums? See if you can see any parallels to recent discussions here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0JIDN1I69jQ

Posted by dgb63 on February 15, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go Phil I think it is about time. I for one am over this type of stuff. It is time we get back to what Tennessee is. We don't need players like this. I would rather have a team full of so called 1 and 2 star players then a full house of 4 and 5's like this. I think some service should start a system of givivng stars on more then just how good a player he is. Maybe we need to know what type of person he is too?!

Posted by Wilhelm16 on February 15, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They both could have made an impact this year. Wardlow probably wasnt going to be a starter with morley coming back but Davis might have been. He made several plays on the kickoff team last year. Its a shame these guys can't seem to stay out of trouble.

Posted by sjt18 on February 15, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dgb63,

I wish it worked like that. Wardlow was a 3* player. Davis was a 2* player that UT took a chance on. Coming out of HS in Iowa he had a similar frame to the LB UT signed this year out of La- Lathers. They developed him into a contributor.

Posted by capstone4117 on February 15, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Face it guys UT has become a joke.
The only time UT makes the national news is when something like this happens. UT is not percieved as a national power by anyone.
You can say that stuff like "this happens everywhere" but I don't seem to be reading about those schools every week. You can also justify the poor recruiting class by saying "stars don't matter". They sure did seem to matter when all the 4 and 5 star guys were coming to UT in years past. I believe the vols are becoming mediocre. What do you think?

Posted by GerryOP on February 15, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good 'un Geoff. How appropriate - "F(ulmer) Troop!" Does this altercation put us back in contention for the Fulmer Cup?

http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/102...

http://www.fulmercup.com/AboutUs/tabid/6...

This is the football braintrust figuring out the D-lineup this fall.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mhDb8za9Xbg&a...

Posted by General_Fritter on February 15, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

capstone4117: Ut is not a joke Sir and when they win the National Championship next year, you will look silly for making that comment. All you Naysayers need to do the Fritter Shuffle (by the Rolling Stones)!

Posted by General_Fritter on February 15, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's Fritter Time in Vegas.

Posted by pdhuff on February 15, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff 7:38- F troop is a great parallel (some might say reality fix) although I can't see Phil and Chief on a horse, any horse, maybe the Budweiser hitch.

I do feel we have the Fulmer Cup wrapped up and possibly the MRITD Cup well in hand. Most roiling in the doldrums. Maybe the Lady Vols threw in a sympathy loss as a smokescreen. From Area 51, maybe. Dunno.....

Posted by orangebloodgmc on February 15, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Capstone, go brush your tooth.

Posted by General_Fritter on February 15, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

orangebloodgmc - LOL

Posted by nafslov on February 15, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

capstone PLEASE !!!!!! UT is not a joke ! With Vinson and Berry and Crompton , LOOK OUT SEC !!! The Vols may be in line for another National Championship run ! Go Vols !

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 15, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

capstone,
Alabama hasnt done anything since Forest Gump ran that touchdown back... and that was years ago. You suck. G'ARNGE!

Posted by MemfrisVOL on February 15, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i believe that was the last time yall were seen nationally.

Posted by TommyJack on February 15, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

orangeblood: OTOH, capstone can floss in a nano second.

Posted by romevol on February 15, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Go Fulmer...Go Vols

Posted by General_Fritter on February 15, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack Sir....I continue to laugh at your childish sense of humor. Misplaced but funny.

Posted by TommyJack on February 15, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

General: Thank you so much. Get off the nickle slots and man-up at BlackJack.

Posted by pdhuff on February 15, 2008 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

capstone 4117-9:17 a.m. It is true UT is percieved nationally as fading albeit so slowly that many can't see it. They will hang with lovable Phil until they're floating among the deck chairs. UT fan I guess! I must have $3,000.00 worth of Vol stuff.

No one doubts he's a good person, a Tenn man to the bone. But to ignore NO SEC Championships in nearly TEN YEARS as they do is dumbfounding.

My humble opinion is that we'll be lucky to win 8 games this fall. Yes I'll step out and say it!
Defense cannot depend on great CBs and FSs. Wide open WRs with no d-line push.

Well enuf, Gen Fritter will say stay the course. Maybe I should. Big games, just watch Southern Cal on TV. Lower the blood pressure. Selah.....

Posted by General_Fritter on February 15, 2008 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TommyJack - Sorry to disappoint you Sir, but I'm winning big on the nickle and dollar slots. Of course, everything I have won, my wife has lost. I think her luck ran out after catching that 7 lb. largemouth bass last week. Anyway, the most money I lost was to the cab driver. I accidentally tipped him $50. I should have realized my mistake when he smiled like a Gatlinburg carney. See picture of UTVol39 to see what that looks like. Time to pound the fritter.

pdhuff - Just say goosefrabaaaaaah. Coach Fulmer will lead us to the National Championship. Too long to keep a good man down.

Posted by tngeoff on February 15, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff and GerryOP.

Yes. F (Fulmer) Troop is inseed a parallel universe. Even the way the indian tribe was named reminds of the past few years. I did of course consider Philligans Island as well, but F (Fulmer) Troop took hone the fritters.

GerryOP.

That Fulmer Cup thing is a sad statement of the past few years. It wasn't created because, "We're no different than anyone else." That video was great though! Good selection!

Nothing is worng. We're yako and the're yako.

Posted by pdhuff on February 15, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff- touche.

Posted by GerryOP on February 15, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pdhuff and tngeoff ... peace bros! Right the ship, stay the course, all is well.

The Fulmer Cup!!! What a legacy for UT's 2nd or 3rd or whatever greatest football coach. But he is a good person -- takes care of the family, goes to church every Sunday, pays his bills on time, and changes the oil in his car every 3000 miles ... and ... he is ours!! Be well ya'all.

Posted by GerryOP on February 15, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just checked in with VolNation. The following kind of summarizes what all of us haters/losers/naysayers/downward spiralers/idiots/negative nellies/etc/etc/etc have been saying. But right the ship, stay the course, all is well.

http://www.volnation.com/blog/2008-02-12...

Posted by weisgarber2003 on February 15, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Next? Stay the course!

Posted by Indianavol on February 15, 2008 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Crapstone4117;

"Face it guys UT has become a joke.
The only time UT makes the national news is when something like this happens. UT is not percieved as a national power by anyone."

The joke is the dirty, cheating bastards that make up that school in Tuscaloser!

I see whgere Fulmer takes action when Nick Satan does nothing. Thug Castille was convicted in court, but suffered no consequences on the field. Don't preach to me about troublemakers getting a pass at Tennessee, because Bammer is full of them and the Bammer Thugs get free passes!

Take your opinions back into the black hole of the Bammer Moron Nation and shut-up; no one here gives a rat's @ss what you think!

Posted by cjraney on February 16, 2008 at 12:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

National news coming out of Tuscaloosa this season.........Bammer lost a football game to Louisiana-Monroe.

Posted by tngeoff on February 16, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP.

Good link. I am surprised. According to some on here, only a few guys who post here believe things are like that. Interesting indeed. Keep the Faith! Something that will result in long term good for the program is coming!

Posted by capstone4117 on February 16, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Indianavol,
You obviously care or wouldn't have taken the time to reply to my post. The viles will no longer be able to out talent most of the sec and lets face it that is how phats wins. No more top10 recruiting classes. Sorry class after 2005, sorry class this year. It will show on the field. 41-17 tide rolled the vols much like it did for us.

Posted by capstone4117 on February 16, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Viles suck. convict U, thug U, dopesmoker U,
41-17 Roll Tide!!!! The good ole days of 11 in row are back. It's ok to be scared. I know you guys probably don't want to remember those days but im afraid you are fixing to relive them.

Posted by pdhuff on February 16, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP 8:43pm 2-15 - Lexvol put that one in near the blow-hole. They'll be slicing whale blubber soon. Hard to spin that.

I guess if you never truely desire or need a SEC ring, much less a another NC, this course is fine. But it is slipping away and shows itself almost every Saturday in some form. Occasionally we get a Ga-type afternoon, but too many times we don't compete because we aren't up to it. he Haynesworths aand Hendersons are long gone.

We are with the FSU,s, PSU,s and Bama'a and other past glorys. The Missouri's, WVA,s and the like have pushed us out of the way.Some like Bama have chosen to do something about it. Sad. The excitement that used to mean something is fading away. Stay the course.

Posted by TommyJack on February 16, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP: (8:43) Interesting link. Warning: This link is NOT for little children or The Faithful. Enter at your own peril.

Posted by GerryOP on February 16, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tngeoff, pd, and TJ - Good comments! Sometimes in dealing with the malaise of UT football, I feel like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd8xp86r...

(tngeoff, youtube! Great tool you introduced to GVX. It sends a message without a lot of fat-fingered typing!)

Posted by tngeoff on February 16, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP.

Thanks. It is a great way to expand and more clearly paint the picture of what one is thinking. You have taken the method and done extremely well with it! I really liked "Sounds of Silence." Keep up the great work!

Posted by IPOrange on February 16, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GerryOP @ 8:43 - Ouch. Very eye-opening article. It's one thing to see posters on here express their disappointment, but to see it in an article really adds validity to those concerns. Time will tell if things take a turn for the positive, but that time is running out, it seems. Things need to get back on track now, or I fear the road to recovery will be long and full of potholes.

Posted by weisgarber2003 on February 16, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"but im afraid you are fixing to relive them."

"Fixing to?" Fixing to sounds like some good Alabama redneck jargon.

Posted by Indianavol on February 16, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

crapstone,

Go back to the boards with the rest of the Bammer Moron Nation

If you think your pompous ass, money-grubbing coach will own the Vols, think again.

Get used to more of the same as Phil Fulmer (11-4 vs the dirty cheaters) continues to own your sorry, cheating asses!!

Here is a salute to you; guess which finger!

Posted by pdhuff on February 16, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Indianavol - Could you tell us how you really feel about capstone? LOL

Posted by Indianavol on February 17, 2008 at 12:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am sick and tired of this Bammer scum. We need to win 10 in a row to silence them for good. Bammer is the laughing stock of college football and should never win a game!

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