So I guess this means no new 360 with built in HD-DVD player?

@Sailorcancer:

errr... are you serious?

Cool, now they can put all the money they would have spent on the format into getting more sweet digital distribution deals. Or working on a blu-ray addon, either is good.

Boo.

@Sailorcancer: Probably not.

Although I would hope EVERYONE sees the Blu-ray addon over the horizon, I still say the longer they hold off on a Blu-Ray player the longer they are going to see people switch over to the PS3. I hate to say it but a 129$ Blu-Ray player add-on would a huge cock block for Sony trying to reach people on the PS3 through Blu. Microsoft needs to bring a player out and quickly if they don't want to lose anymore ground.

Well so much for the 50.00 price drop! You'd think they'd firesale these rather than just discontinuing them.

Seriously, this has to have been the lamest format war of all time.

Possibly excepting the fishbones 'n string vs. writing debacle of 489 B.C.E..

@Balance_In_Life (PSN):

That's the way I saw it too, but I was suprised to see many comments over at Gizmodo that thought Microsoft adding a Blu-ray add-on would actually make the PS3 look more attractive. Like if someone is looking for a console that has Blu-ray, the PS3 will look like a much better value

wow, imagine if they had actually produced a 360 with a built in HD-DVD player!

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): But the PS3 would be cheaper than the 360 + Blu-ray addon.

Frankly I don't think MS have any cards to play in this circumstance. They're just going to have to face the fact that the PS3 is now a much more attractive console than it was yesterday because of the Blu-Ray. Sure, MS might release a BR player addon but I think the damage has been done.

They should re-found everyone that bought that player with purchase points or something,,,

@TOCATL: I'm sure anyone who bought it knew the risks. Seriously we've all seen format wars before. We know how they end up. Everyone who bought a BetaMax got burned and now everyone who bought an HDDVD player got burned. Live and learn.

Maybe they can put all the money they would have wasted on HD DVD into bringing The Idolm@ster to the US now.

@TOCATL: Why?

@TOCATL: Why? Even a bad lawyer could argue that it isn't Microsoft's fault the format didn't come out on top.

I think it's inevitable that they'll release a Blu add-on, simply because they've said a million times if that if the consumer demands it they'll go with it. They really tried their best to sound neutral despite supporting HD-DVD, but ultimately I'd say they have to keep to their word and release a Blu-ray add-on now that the public (and industry) has spoken.

Will it be cheap? I really don't think so. I'd say a Blu-ray add-on will be 200 or more.

@TOCATL: I see no reason for them to do that. It's not their fault that Toshiba lost the format war. Buying a player when the battle was still going was a risk people took. If it went the other way, I wouldn't see people getting partial refunds on their PS3s.

So much for the Xbawks having the competing technology in HD format against the POS3.

Goodnight sweet inferior prince.

@dowingba: That being true, I'm not so worried about people buying both. I'm worried about people that already have an Xbox not wanting to switch. If they want to watch a movie in true HD they are going to have to get a blu-ray player. and right now the best option is the PS3 IMHO. Thats the LAST thing Microsoft wants. Granted only 200k bought the add-on, but thats a chance of 200k more people switching.

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Yes I see what you are saying, and i also agree with Dowingba that the new gamer consumer looking at the Xbox + Blu-ray add-on vers PS3 does sound more appealing, but they still need something to get people staying on their consoles. Now if you ask me the PS3 is a better value all together, minus the games right now of course, but still with the Blu-Ray right in the system, wi-fi, hard drive of your choice and full BC (HA I have a 60GB) the choice was easy for me. But again that only my opinion.

@LittleBigPlaneteer: The only reason why MS wouldn't bring out another add-on would be if it wasn't a sound business decision. For example, if only 200k people bought the HD-DVD add-on and there are somewhere around 15-18 MILLION consoles out of the market, former business dictates that HD movies aren't important to their owners. Just to play devil's advocate to myself.

I'm still surprised people care. Or do they?

One down, one to go. Now to kill Blu Ray.

@kyosen: Only fan-boys... the rest of us have moved on to bask in our glory *ahem* I mean move on with our lives.

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): In reality I don't think it would have the impact you think. Sony has advertised the PS3 as a game console, a Blu ray player, a media center and a computer. Microsoft only advertised the 360 as a game console and a media center. I think they should focus more on XNA, refreshing the 360 library, making the 360 compatible with more format, BC and of course those fucking hardware failures. I don't really want then to go under either because then Sony will slack off. At least not until we have Home and in-game XMB.

Hey, at least Microsoft is caving, and will eventually give the people what they want in due time. Sony, I'm still waiting on the Compatibility issues...

No matter what...this kind of shows to me in a way that sometimes...my game system should just be my game system.

It's nice that i can get a lot of great features on any next gen system, but to get people caught up in a format war for new versions of dvds that when you honestly think about it, don't even make alot of sense because dvds themselves aren't even that old yet...I don't necessarily get it. And now that hd-dvd is officially dead like everyone predicted, all those who fell for it are fucked like a pretty boy in prison.

And oh wait for the PS3 fanboys to gloat...this should be fun.

*Sorry for all the post*

@rebelphoenix: Why? You have a better idea right now? And don't say digital downloads. 90% of America isn't ready for downloads and the services out there have been proven to not have the same quality as HD hard disk formats. The fact of the matter is until Verizon FIOS or something that is faster say around 20 to 100 mb/s we are going to have to deal with hard disk formats.

Hmm prince to liscense Blu-Ray tech? How about no game exclusives for the Xbox 360. You get them for a year, then they get made for PS3.

Haha, I know that's not how it works but a fanboy can dream.

@rebelphoenix: And then the next format that comes after that? :(

@slomo788: True that. Spoken from a genius right there kids, you'd learn something listening to him.

Ok, you win this round... *sulks in the corner*

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): Yeah I do have a better idea, how bout we stick with DVD for another decade, it worked for VHS, it can work for DVD. There will be something much better out eventually.

@rebelphoenix: That is exactly the plan that 95 percent of the people I know have. The only people I know who knew what HD DVD/BluRay were lived with me or were showed them by me at some point. As of now, I am still the only one to have them.

@rebelphoenix:

Let's not.

Maybe you're okay with using 30 DVD discs to back up your hard drive. Maybe you don't have that problem personally. Either way, who gives a damn about you?

Blu-Ray writables and burners allow me to take those 30 DVD discs and throw them in the trash, then use 3 Blu-Ray discs to do the same thing.

DVD can blow me. Personally I couldn't give a shit about the HD MOVIEZ AND PICTURS!

Give. Me. The. Data. Capacity.

@rebelphoenix: right, and what are you gonna tell all the people that bought hd players and hdtv's? exactly.

dvd is not dying yet, so you'll be fine. me, im glad its over, and glad i stuck wit blu-ray. now i can finally start ordering blu-ray movies. metter o fact, im waiting on my first shipment as we speak! :D

@rebelphoenix: Sure, you go ahead and do that. I'll be watching movies in the glory of 1080P. I'm not saying DVD is dead. What I am say is that Blu-Ray looks and sounds better and some of us want to enjoy that. And truthfully there are a lot more people then just me out there. Honstly man, you can't tell me the difference isn't worth it.

@BlackDove: Did I say anything about using Blu Ray as a storage medium? Oh wait whats that sound? Crickets... No whats retarded is spending 30 dollars a movie when they offer you nothing other than being able to check out the boogers up batman's nose.

@rebelphoenix: I actually agree. DVD will be around for a long time to come. Blu-Ray will probably be the next format, if nothing better comes along, but much like DVD took a friggin' long time to catch on, so will Blu-Ray.

We shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves here. Not even that many people have HDTVs yet, you know. Until HDTVs become the standard, Blu-Ray certainly won't. It should be around the time we stop calling them "HDTVs" and just start calling them "TVs".

@rebelphoenix: No thank you. I have an HDTV I want an HD format. How about you just dont buy BluRay movies.

PS3 and Blu-ray FTW!!! and for every 360 HD-DVD owner: (a la Kelso)BBBUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRNNNNNNNNNNN!!!! now bring on Lord of The Rings for blu-ray.

@rebelphoenix: Lol what? That's like saying we should have just stuck with VHS for another decade and switched directly to Blu ray, since it's better than DVD.

Unfortunately, video entertainment evolves, and we eventually have to follow. I think I read somewhere that the HD adoption rate is higher that DVD compared to VHS. In fact the prices of the players is chuting, and the fact that the war is over probably means even better adoption, lower prices, etc.

@rebelphoenix:

I don't give a shit about movies.

I want Blu-Ray discs and drives at the price point the DVD equipment is today. The only way I'm gonna have that is for DVD to die, and HD-DVD to die. One down, one to go.

FUCK the DVD.

Fanboy war much? Wait, the war's over, so it can't be fanboys...

@slomo788: VHS was around for 30 years if not longer. Switching to a new format every 8 years is not only rediculous, its stupid. Its the MPAA trying to fight Piracy.

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): That Batman booger comment, that goes for you too.

Not that I care about anything HD related (being a SD man myself, though not by choice) but I bet MS is pretty glad this was only an add-on. Imagine if it had been built in to the 360 from the get go? Whenever I do get an HD set, I see myself sticking to DVD's, even if there some other options out there. It all just seems a bit pointless really, the standard DVD seems to do the job pretty well (though I've only heard of people's encounters with Blu Ray, never actually been able to compare, so while I don't think it's a huge difference, I can't really comment on it.)

Actually what I think MS should do is offer a upgrade program for current HD-DVD drive owners. It would be nice to see a 50.00 upgrade offer to HD-DVD owners and at least AT THE MOST charge 99.99 for any new buyers into the Blue Ray format. As to give options to both new buyers and current HD-DVD owners.

Though in a perfect world early adoptors to the HD-DVD could get a free upgrade drive something in the line of sending in the old HD-DVD drive and since it's just a shell they could just slip in the BR drive into the shell and ship it back. Sweeeeeeet...idea right? lmao

So much for that HD-DVD add on I got for christmas... But I don't think we will ever see a Blu-Ray player for the 360 because Blu-ray is sony's format and if microsoft cannot work things out with nintendo over Goldeneye for XBLA, then don't expect to see microsoft put money in the pockets of sony...

Well, they haven't taken the ads down from the 360's menu screens yet. (as far as I know)
Glad the whole damn Bluray vs HD-DVD thing is over though.

@rebelphoenix: "No whats retarded is spending 30 dollars a movie when they offer you nothing other than being able to check out the boogers up batman's nose."

Oh so the problem with HD is the actual video quality? My what an intelligent judgment! And I thought you sounded stupid earlier!

I assume that BluRay wont really take off until more people have HDTVs and realize that the movies they are watching on cable look better than the DVDs they go out and buy/rent. When that happens more people will begin to adopt BluRay and the DVD format will begin to die out.

HA HA

-Nelson

@superbeast1370: Sony doesn't own Blu Ray... Microsoft will probably get it later. So lalala @ you my friend... lala at you...

@PurpleMonkey: spoken like a true non HD owner. Once you go HD you never want to watch SD. Just like once you go broadband you never want to go to dial-up. I really don't know what some people are holding back for at this point there is only one format and thats it. There's no space for a new format for sometime to come. So unless the reality is that you can't afford it, them fine. But if you holding off just to say that your waiting for something or another then you do that at your choice but not because you think something else is gonna pop up. Your the type of people that will still use a VCR hoping that the next best thing to visuals is DVD and the price is not low enough to jump into a DVD player with upconvert to 1080i. lmfao

FORMAT WARZ

Are they officially over now? Can the innocent citizens of every populace now return to their normal ways of life without living in fear of another needlessly overhyped conflict taking place?

@JorgieX:

Taking your idea one step further... I would love it if Microsoft just made a HD-DVD/Blu-ray combo drive... They already exist, just drop one in the case and make it where the original adopters aren't screwed if their drive dies, but they can also move over to blu-ray if they haven't already.

I personally have a PS3 and 360 with HD-DVD drive, so I'm not really affected, but it would still be a good gesture rather than just avoiding like it was the Virtual Boy or something :D

woops, meant to put avoiding the HD-DVD drive in the future* like it was the Virtual Boy or something*

@PurpleMonkey: I think if they would have put a HD-DVD player in from the start, we wouldn't be talking about it's death.

@rebelphoenix: I know we switched quicker. Goes to show you how DVD was quickly becoming obsolete compared to the surrounding technology: computers, high-def tvs, etc. VHS had nothing to do with the digital world and that's mainly what killed the poor thing. Now everything is getting integrated on one medium (discs) for everything to read: music, video, games, programs, etc. Unfortunately for DVD, it got caught in the middle: too big for music, too small for movies (high def) and games. It's going down, and although I enjoyed it a lot, it's not bad riddance.

Expect a BR drive around May this year. Oh and to people hoping that the 360 doesn't get a BR drive sorry to bust your bubble. Toshiba, Panasonic and Sony all own rights to Blue Ray technologies. "Toshiba" get it..wink wink

Also the Blue Ray camp is gonna start using the Microsoft technology HDi for there future Blue Ray movies since it was what made the HD-DVDs much more interactive with menues and internet enabled features like you might of seen in Transformers, and Shrek the 3rd.

@NfoRcErX: And sell this baby for $1399 without a hard-drive and 1499 with 120 GB!

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): And 360 would have sold so much better. I don't even think Sony would have tried something else since Microsoft would have stolen their strategy.

About time they fessed up to the facts of reality.

@NfoRcErX: Oh Dam, you know what your right I own a PS3 and the Elite and HD-DVD combo so I already own quite a library of BR and HD-DVDs but your idea is MINT new buyers can buy a BlueRay add-on and the original owners can get a special upgrade to a combo drive so that we can still enjoy the older HD-DVD movies we all came to love.
I was thinking that I would just have my two drives connected via USB hub with in my entertainment unit. LOL Good point bro.

@JorgieX: Those features are already getting implemented in BD, sorry to burst your bubble. And where did you read about Toshiba having rights in BD? Link please? Besides, I don't see what Toshiba being involved in BD would have to do with a 360 BD drive really (if they really were involved in it that is). Toshiba also has interests in PS3's CELL.

@burnin_squirrrl: what? Sony's format? Sony is only one member out of 18 on the board of director's on the blueray disk association. I don't even believe they own a single one of the copyrights over the format. If MS wants to make a blue ray add-on I don't think they would have any problem what so ever, though, I can't see that it would be very marketable.

Now, what I want to know, is what happened to all of MS's promises of software updates that would allow the HD-DVD player to play blueray disks? I suppose they were just talking out of their ass the entire time?

Ok a slight refresher on history people, the reason betamax failed was not because it was a bad format, it was actually BETTER than VHS. More people adopted vhs and less people then cared about switching over to BM. That and the fact that Sony wouldn't let others manufacture players for the format.

Now I don't really care that its high def, I have a high def tv. But really, I don't want to sit in front of my tv and have to see Angelina Jolie with a bigass pimple. Movies and Television are supposed to suspend reality, not amplfy it to a discusting degree.

WTFuck!? Death Dealer f'n rules!!!! The K is bad-ass =D

PS: They just need to release a Blu-Ray player and all will be fine ... or it won't.

I highly doubt Microsoft will ever release a Blu-Ray add-on. It would be too much of a nod towards Sony. Their own statement seems to make it clear that they plan to stick with their other horse: DLC. And why not? Bilking people on over-priced hard drives and movie/tv show rental fees seems to be working just fine for them.

As for Blu-Ray saturation: It won't penetrate nearly as far as DVD did. The gains that DVD had over VHS were far more tangible to joe-sixpack than the switch to a blue laser and a/v improvements that far too many everyday people probably won't even be able to truly notice. While most people were willing to upgrade their library from VHS to DVD, how many people will be interested in upgrading from DVD to Blu-Ray? Not nearly as many, i assure you.

By the time HDTV saturation reaches an acceptable point, and Blu-Ray players come down to a mass market price, more people will have their teeth into their DVR's and be used to downloading what they want. Obviously physical media will never disappear - DLC and Blu-Ray can exist side by side without issue - but Blu-Ray just won't end up as big as all that.

And hey, while we are at it, can we release a player for a format that DOESN'T cost a thousand dollars only to drop to a point where everyone can actually afford it 5-10 years later? Sorry I just don't want a PS3, given that my ps2 died due to me having the dumbass idea that you could use it as a dvd player, I don't know what could have given me that idea... I refuse to spend almost $400 for something that just plays movies.

Wow, there's a lot of anger in this thread. A war has ended, people, let's celebrate!

@rebelphoenix:

Oh come on. I watch all my Movies/TV shows in HD, and none of them are "amplified to a disgusting degree". You really over-exaggerate things.

@rebelphoenix: Dude, stop talking out of your ass. Have you ever even seen a HD movie (HD DVD or BD whatever)? If you find anything there that's disgusting you either need glasses or a shrink. If you want to find reasons to hate the format, try again, because no one will buy that from you. And I don't know if you realize that the VHS/Betamax case is just now applicable here. Entertainment was not what it is today. iPods, PS3s, HDTVs would not have survived one day in a society where people are only working for a car, a house and send their kids to school. Today they sell by fucktons. People actually buy laptops for Facebook, iTunes, movies, video chat and games. Girls and old people find video games fun and play them. The video game industry is even bigger than music now. So keep on hating, but remember my screenname when you buy your BD movies later this year.

@slomo788: Good luck on that, as I don't see Blu Ray players dropping to 99 bucks in the next year or two.

@rebelphoenix: So not only have we figured out you hate Sony (and maybe where all this is coming from) but that you refuse to want to see the difference in the quality. Dude, it's your setup. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that you are wrong you know what you are missing out on i guess.

I just can't see your side of the arguement, the reason we are using highspeed now is because wireless didn't cut it. The reason we are using digital cell phones is because analog wouldn't cut it. The reason people that care about their TV setups are switching from DVD to Blu-Ray is because DVD isn't cutting it anymore. At least IMHO.

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): BAH! *the reason we are using highspeed right now is because Dial-up couldn't cut it.*

When they reach $19.99-24.99 I might pick one up. Just so I do not have to switch my games out when I want to watch a movie. Yeah, I am that lazy.

@dowingba:
They can at least take some cards away from Sony's hand though. I'd love a Blu-Ray addon to the 360.

@rebelphoenix: When you go to the movie theater, do you wear goggles with vaseline smeared all over them? You know that movie theater quality film is better than even full 1080p resolution? Face it, if you want as close to a movie theater experience as you can get, Bluray wins out over DVD any day of the week. It's superior, plain and simple. It's not about seeing all the pores in an actors face, it's about getting as close to the same picture quality as you get in a movie theater, without the crying babies and weird odors.

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): Actually I wanted to see HD DVD fail as well, hence the one down, one to go comment. And if Sony could actually make something that lasted more than a year and a half (2 PSXs, 3 playstation 2s later, and my NES-Gamecubes still work), I'd be more than happy to shell out some money for it. I have a cell phone, reception on it sucks unless I'm downtown (I hate the damn thing). Highspeed sucks, it's way behind what they have in Japan and China, hell it can barely be called Broadband anymore.

@rebelphoenix: How long did it take for the first DVD players to drop from their $1000 sphere? Or HD DVD? I understand that for budget reasons you might now want to make the jump now. That's completely legitimate. But it's like you're saying that everyone that's buying HD have no taste and just want to see the disgusting things that exist only in your imagination.

@Muisee:
It'll be a while dude. But I do think MS needs to release a $100 drive if they want to make a significant dent in Sony's market share.

@rebelphoenix: Wow... alright man. Well I for one welcome our new technological overlords and will buy the new stuff that I can afford at the time.

@slomo788: No what I want to see is an actual kickass format come out, something that represents as big a leap forward as DVD was from VHS. Until that point, my point about Betamax is still valid.
@bobobologna: Sounds like you need to get your eyes checked my friend, I used to work in a theater, and that "high quality" film you speak of doesn't exist, that stuff degrades faster than you can blink, hell after a days worth of showings the print goes to shit.

@rebelphoenix: Maybe you should question your responsibility with your electronics. My friend's launch PS2 dies a couple of weeks ago. And I don't think he's an isolated case. Sony's reputation for quality electronics has existed since right after the second world war. And I believe Sony is not the only one making BD players. And your rants about cell-phones and high speed internet just prove that like everyone today, you're craving for advancement of technology.

Also, has anyone else noticed that once the comments reach 80 it takes a very long while for next ones to appear?

@bobobologna:
Don't ever fucking refer to 1080p as "Full" high defintion. My 5 year old moniter if way "fuller" than that.

@rebelphoenix:
The PS3 does work though. It's an amazing piece of hardware. I do think the games on the 360 run circles around those on the PS3, but the PS3 still has way better hardware. It's reliable, supports many media formats, has a built in Blu-Ray drive, default hard drive, and Wi-Fi. The 360 doesn't have any of that. And, maybe I've just been lucky with other consoles, but I've always had way more trouble with my Nintendo stuff. I've had 3 Wiis, 3 DS lites, 2 GBAs, and 2 Gamecubes.

@rebelphoenix: This is actually how everyone describe the DVD/HD comparison: the same leap as the one from VHS to DVD. But what about your booger/pimple argument?

@slomo788: Yeah your right i read the article wronge ..my bad ...I was wronge your were part right. It was Pioneer not Panasonic that helped develope the Blue Ray tech. Oh and yeah that is what Toshiba is doing just manufacturing the Cell processor and the such. Here's the wiki on who invented the blue ray both SONY and Pioneer. [en.wikipedia.org]
I was reading an artical on Toshiba, Panasonic and Samsung were they will be competeing with SONY directly in the Blur Ray device wars now. Samsung Toshiba and Panasonic will be selling comparable Blue Ray units that will be cheaper retail and the SONY bramd.

@rebelphoenix:
There's a format out there called HVD. It uses holograph technology to store data, up to 4 terabytes. But that won't hit the market for many years.

@slomo788: Yeah i noticed that. Oh and even though i am a huge sony fan, lets not try to get into the reliability of the PS2. The DREs (Disk Read Errors) were horrible. Had my first one fixed twice and went through 2 of the old brick models. Only one of the slim model though.

Controversies

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Owners of early PS2 models purchased from launch until July 2003 often reported faulty optical drives in their consoles. The earliest drives suffered from a constantly misaligning laser lens, which could also result in discs being scratched by the lens. Later defects were the result of a shift in voltage to the laser. The first problem was easily remedied by opening the console's casing and tweaking a cog that controlled the lens's distance from the disc; however, this action voided the console's warranty. The second problem could be fixed by using an oscillator. After many consoles had broken down, a class action lawsuit was filed against Sony. Sony agreed to provide free repair or replacement for the faulty consoles and continued to do so until February 2005.[citation needed]

Another problem that could cause a disc read error is wear on the coupling in the head assembly to the worm gear that moves the laser. A symptom of this is a loud repetitive clicking sound. This sound can also be heard on older systems when playing blue or black disks. Putting a ring of duct tape around the inner ring of the disc will make it work. Nevertheless, these problems rarely occur on newer consoles.[citation needed]

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Before the PS2 was even released in Japan, there were controversies over the capabilities of the PS2. Japan initially imposed export restrictions on the PS2. The PS2 was even said to contain parts, especially its powerful graphics hardware, which could be used to simulate the effects of military ballistic missiles.[24]

From Wiki... yeah sorry for the huge cut and paste...

I'm betting there will be no addon Blu-Ray (or otherwise) for XBox 360. They're almost half way through their product cycle and now is the time for M$soft to make design decisions for the NextBox iteration come 2010/2011.

It's too soon for HVD (Holographic Video Disc) to be a factor. My bet is an internal Blu-Ray player for NextBox 760.

Though, the real question is: When will Nintendo finally enable DVD playback in the Wii!!!?!?

@slomo788: Well there is an absolute limit to image quality, when you can start to see that the make up isn't working, you've gone over the limit. What we should be going for is the ablity to put an entire season of a tv show on one "disc." Due to everyone trying to upgrade to a High Def format, I just don't see that happening in the near future.
@gamadaya: The PS3 is an alright peice of hardware, and believe me I take very good care of my systems. Note that I mentioned that my 20+ year old NES still works perfectly, as does my N64 and Gamecube. You can take the best of care of your game systems, but that doesn't prevent them from dying due to shitty manufacturing. Hell I had a CD walkman that lasted less than a month from Sony.

@gamadaya: Now that is what I'm talking about. A true advancement.

And Toshiba gets in bed with Sony, ha ha:

[www.dailytech.com]

After HD DVD Drop, Toshiba Spends $835M to Back PS3



This is particularly funny after MS officially killed the HD DVD player:

As a result of recent decisions made by Toshiba, Hollywood studios, and retailers, Microsoft plans to withdraw from HD DVD. Xbox will no longer manufacture new HD DVD players for the Xbox 360, but we will continue to provide standard product and warranty support for all Xbox 360 HD DVD Players in the market. As we stated earlier, we do not believe this decision will have any material impact on the Xbox 360 platform or our position in the marketplace. HD DVD is one of the several ways we offer a high definition experience to consumers and we will continue to give consumers the choice to enjoy digital distribution of high definition movies and TV shows directly to their living room, along with playback of the DVD movies they already own.

@gamadaya: "Don't ever fucking refer to 1080p as "Full" high defintion. My 5 year old moniter if way "fuller" than that."

Are you kidding me? Are you retarded or something? Do you even know the HD standards? Please shut the fuck up about shit you don't even understand. I said full 1080p resolution. You know that 1440x1080 is a 1080p resolution? 1080p simply refers to the vertical resolution, and full 1080p refers to 1920x1080.

@Balance_In_Life (PSN): Well I have to say I was not a PS2 owner myself (ex-Xbox fanboy). It sure had problems, but probably not enough to burn down Sony as a whole.

@rebelphoenix: I don't think it's impossible to have a whole show on one disc now but if I had to choose, give me amazing (not necessarily super-realistic, just beautiful) video quality over "not swapping disc" anytime of the day.

@bobobologna: He could have been refering to how some computers displays have 2000+ on the resolution thing or whatever i dont know all that techno mumbo-jumbo.

@Hatchetforce: Toshiba was in bed with Sony long ago. In fact, PS3 is their baby, along with IBM. Sony gave the egg, they gave the sperm. CELL was developed by Toshiba, IBM and Sony. And it's only a smart move to rally the BD Association now that HD DVD is worth fuck all.

The HD DVD is the Virtual Boy of the twenty first century.

@ThoseRaptureBlues: Actually HD DVD didn't make my head hurt and my eyes want to start bleeding, so I'd say no on that one.

@Hatchetforce: This was in the works a long time ago: [kotaku.com]

Nothing to do with format wars, just money. Kinda funny how we are here fighting for these formats and all and these companies are just signing their deals and keeping the cash flowing.