If you are not going to help me keep the most important post of your lives up we will lose the nomination.
Posted February 10th, 2008 by SGP
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UPDATED : March 13th 2008
MOST OF YOU PEOPLE WOULD RATHER ARGUE WITH MORONS THAT SERVE NO PURPOSE HERE RATHER THAN KEEP THIS IMPORTANT INFO UP TOP AND IT MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH!
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IMPORTANT : YOU PEOPLE NEED TO IGNORE THE POSTS FROM JHL - RYAN - SLAPSHOT AND WRELLIM BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I was an administrator for the Democratic party for over 6 years and i am well educated in the nomination process, I left the party to support Dr. Paul so i know what i am talking about.
Our founding fathers set the system up like this to assure that there would not have false or fruadulent support for a candidate thus forcing THE PEOPLE to become involved in the election process and to show actual support for thier candidate.
They wanted to make sure they would protect us from VOTE FRAUD and to make sure that a candidate did not win a beauty contest but instead win an election.
Any candidate and thier supporters can do exactly what we are doing if they chose to do so and i am sure from the reports we have received that Mccain does not have real support or he would have the delegates he needs registered as delegates to vote for him in the up coming convention.
If you doubt my post go and research it yourself PLEASE here : http://www.gop.com/images...
PLEASE EVERYONE COPY AND SEND THIS TO THIER EMAIL LIST AND MEETUP HEADS AND ANY OTHER RON PAUL FORUM THERE IS.
If you can be a delegate because it is too late to register you can still help us at the convention.
Use these 2 links and help us win.
Link : http://www.gopconvention....
Link # 2 : http://msp2008.com/volunt...
I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry.
I am going to go into some depth of how this all works so read and then read again if you need to.
Did you know that the delegates can actually vote to unbind thier delegates that are bound by state rules? Did you know that delegates can actually overturn and previous vote? Did you know the delegates have control of the entire process?
The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.
I know many of you are bummed about Dr. Paul not getting more votes in the states popular vote BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.
First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain now has 906 delegates now but he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 906 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.
Normally Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the ronpaul campaign strategy will work.
When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates.
What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates
The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll) Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans, in Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.
View the hard count of actaul pledged delegates here : http://www.thegreenpapers...
And we have lots of delegates.
Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
-463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.
- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot. After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.
- 383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
- 318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here :
Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules. Now do you see how we can win this thing?
So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.
This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.
The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008
SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?
This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.
Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.
Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?
NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.
We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.
Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.
So please STOP! you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you? I assure you we have not!
The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.
I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.
NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING FILE TODAY AND BECOME A DELEGATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
Info on how to become a delegate here :
http://www3.webng.com/ron...
Dr. Steve Parent
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Just got back from my county
Just got back from my county convention. My wife and I are now district delegates; I am also a state delegate, and my wife is an alternate to the state. My wife's cousin lives in another county. He just called and said that he and his parents are all district delgates; his parents are state delegates, and he is currently an alternate to the state. Our next stop is the congressional district convention on April 19th.
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I'm interested in your response to the TN fellow who listed out delegates & then was mentioning they were'nt or were eligible to become delegates - thanks for your information - you have our bump from Pennsylvania
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Hey Dr. Parent,
Thanks for taking the time to educate us. Are all the differences between the dem delegate rules, that you were formally accostomed to, and rep delegate rules being considered in the strategy? How about the differences between state to state rules?
How is Louisiana sudden change in rules, and states trying to pull similar antics, playing into the over plan?
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Paul came in fourth in Tennessee, and none of his state delegates will be seated at the convention in September.
We had several turn in and applications excepted,,,http://state.tn.us/sos/election/2008PPPDelegatesList.pdf
On March 13th, 2008 doctor011 says:
Ron paul had 39 district deligatesMccain had 7 district deligates.,,, 9 districts ,,,,, At large Ron had 21,,, Mccain had 2 there were only 7 uncomitted At Large Delegates total
Ron Paul............21
Fred Thompson..19
Mike Huckabee...16
Mitt Romney........9
John McCain.........2
Uncommitted.......7
Ron Paul - Delegate's
William M. Coats
Garrett Coffer
Jonathan Dimock
Mark Wayne Ernest
Richard Esparza
Sarah Franks
Charles Jackson
Laura Jones
Michael Jones
Michelle R. Lancaster
Justin McCord
Ronald Myers
Matthew Rideout
Mahmood (Michael) Sabri
Cheryl Scott
Joanna C. Simmons
Richard Szczech
Stephen Thurmond
Steven Warhurst
Vincent Whitright
Will Williams
1st District
Larry LaPlue
Phillip K. Lowrey
Merlin Miller
Robert Tester
Daniel R. Weaver
2nd District
William T. Ball
Denis Bonneau
David Hutson
Matt McClain
Tona Monroe-Ball
3rd District
Daniel L. Appleget
Fred Childress
Robert Gosnell
Gregg Juster
Joshua Walker
Lauren Walker
4th District
Kevin Lee Hargis
Robert Stephen McKamey
Douglas K. Shutes
Vance L. Woodward
5th District
Matt Collins
Wendy Sewell
Michael Skarda
6th District
Susan MacAfee
David Perry
Pete Ryan
James Sandman
7th District
William D. Boyer
Amanda Goodall
Michael Goza
Robin Ann Goza
8th District
Joy A. Bryant
Sam T. Bryant
Aaron R. Kavli
Kevin Riggs
9th District
Rhamy Alejeal
Charles Wesley Fowler
Sanjeev Jayaraman
Timothy D. Patterson
I was one of those
On March 13th, 2008 mrl says:
delegates on the ballot and no there will be nobody from Tennessee for Ron Paul unless they were accepted later on. The Republican party contacted some of the delegates to see if they wanted to be for John McCain or Huckabee and several of us sent back that we would. They voted on March 1st, and I haven't heard back, so I am taking that as I didn't make it. I haven't heard if any of us on the list did. FOLLOW UP BY MRL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Everyone on
On March 13th, 2008 mrl says:
the list were able to be voted in. I have never seen the totals as to who actually would have been a delegate. They said because Ron Paul only got 5% of the vote he didn't pick up any delegates, therefore none of us are going to the convention unless we were voted in by the Republican party here in Tennessee, they had a meeting in Nashville on March the first. They had to ask everyone who was on the ballot first, but I do not know what criteria they used to vote you in. I was always under the assumption that if you received enough votes you were automatically going to the convention regardless of how your candidate did. Apparently that is not the case. This was not spelled out in their rules on how to become a delegate.
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The delegates are bound to McCain only for the first few rounds of voting at the convention. You see, the national convention is, in and of itself, an actual election. Only this time is the only election the really matters in determining who the party’s nominee will be. Some states send “bound” delegates to the convention who must vote for the candidate who garnered the popular vote win. Those delegates must vote for that person whether or not they support him or her. Each state has different rules, but the delegates are not bound forever. If, for example, McCain fails to get 1191 of the delegates to vote for him in the first election round at the convention, some of the delegates (depending on what state you’re from) are “released” and then can vote for whomever they want in round two… some are still bound and are not released until round 2 or three. I believe that after round three, however, that ALL delegates from ALL states are “released” and can vote for the candidate of their choice and it doesn’t even have to be a candidate who is even running!!
This is exactly how Abraham Lincoln was nominated. He went into the convention with virtually no delegates bound to him. The front runner at the time was a divisive figure (much like McCain is today) and was unable to garner the requisite number of delegate votes in round one. As delegates started to be released after each round, Lincoln garnered more and more votes until finally, after the 5th or 6th round (I don’t remember which off the top of my head) Lincoln received the requisite number of delegate votes and became the party’s nominee.
Bottom line… you’re state’s primary election results mean next to nothing in the overall nomination process.
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Thank you for the info Dr. Parent, that I have read before. Good that we all have you here. Now I want to ask on which basis do you say most of McCain's (McCainiac!) supporters are Ron Paul supporters. I do can believe that SOME of them are closet/stealth, but I do not believe most of them, otherwise they could have voted for Dr. Paul in the first place. Is this in the winner takes all states, where the RP supporters voted for another candidate instead? Is this true only of the caucus states, or also of the primary states. LA and WA were a combination of the two. We fared consistently better with caucuses than with primaries. WHat about Giuliani's, Thompson's, Romney's and Huckabee's delegates, some or many of them may vote for McCain? Is there a plan to target them and persuade to vote for Dr. Paul? Or woudl they - if not voting for McCain - simply vote for their candidate write-in and draft him if McCain does not get the majority in the first round. there is the issue of the superdelegates also, and most of them may vote for McCain, as he has received the endorsement of many senators, or quite a number of them (unfortunately).
We have to be prepared for everything. The neocons will not give up without a fight, thus there should be a strong and effective strategy, thinking and anticipating all possibilities with an answer. Perhaps we need to surprise them also with other strategy, which could should not post or speak in public about, but only discuss with leaders and trustworthy people. There may be moles and I am sure some of the neocons have their people looking at this and other Ron Paul sites.
McCain will be a few weeks overseas - thus not campaign much in PA and some radio talkshow hosts may again call upon Republicans in PA to vote for Hillary in order to keep Obama out and continue the D race. This could help in sipping a few McCain votes away from McCain. As daddywarbucks has stressed, it is MOST important that the campaign be very active in PA, spend at least 10-14 days more would be better, and then not only to universities, but also public town hall meeting for also the middle and older age groups. Our support is concentrated on young people which is very good, but need also to be well balanced among all ages with young people still the strength. They should be encouraged to persuade their parents.
At the RNC, they may field other candidates, like Romney etc again if McCain is not nominated. The Ron paul campaign should of course also have all the senior political support like Barry Goldwater, the incumbant senators and congressmen that support Paul as well as those candidating, Gary Johnson etc. etc. strongly organised and also already have established a link to possible VP candidates and senators and governors,. The revolution is a bottom-up approach/movement, but this combined with a "top down organisation" is also important.
Lastly with regard to McCain delegates, I have read that McCain "won" the majority of the perceived delegates/votes of 2/3 of the anti-war vote among the GOP and Independents (Independents are mostly anti-war) and some Democrats? (of course Dr. Paul also has ex-Democrats like yourself and Independents). They should all be registered Republican in order to be a delegate at the RNC. McCain also tapped into those in the GOP that are dissatisfied with Bush. This gives me hope that we should be able to get a substantial part of McCain's delegates. Many of them voted for McCain as they indeed though he was against the war, his clash with Bush earlier and because they know him and like his smiling and relaxed atmosphere (not really the case we know). These people should be informed and persuaded that Dr. paul is THE only anti-war candidate, he can also represent the anti-McCain group and conservatives (although they may disagree with his foreign policy, for now) and of course that in a general elections he can win over most of the Independents as well as some Democrats, with either Hillary or Obama.
All the best with your efforts, thanks you and stay safe at all costs...
You are still confused about
You are still confused about many things.
1: Republicans DO NOT have super delegates that is only democrat.
2: In the state of PA the popular vote doesn't matter because all of the delegates are unbound and can vote for who ever they want.
3: If you think for 1 second that the powers that be do not already know what's going on and how the system works you are kidding yourself because they are very aware of all of what is going on already.
4: Most of the delegates that had been awarded to Mccain thus far are not even real people they were nothing more than a number which i refer to as virtual delegates. Delegates need to be voted on and the majority of the vote of the people that show up to the county and state convention control who becomes a delegate to the state and national level and in several states already that have had a convention thus far have proven to be more than 50% ron paul supporters.
I suggest you read my post again or listen to www.rprradio.com monday the 17th at 9pm for i will be on the show explaining the delegate process.
If you have any more questions just ask and i will gladly assist.
Dr. Steve Parent
RNC Delegates
The Republican party doesn't have "Super Delegates" but they do have RNC members who are delegates. They often function the same way as the Democrats "Super Delegates".
"...in several states already that have had a convention thus far have proven to be more than 50% ron paul supporters." Are you saying that there is a state that at the Republican convention will have a majority of Ron Paul delegates? Please name 1 such state and tell us how you know this. I'll admit I know of no such state.
Bob you are talking about
Bob you are talking about bonus delegates which if any will not amount to many and even if it were possible which it is not to obtaion bonus delegates from every state there would only be a total of 110 bonus delegates the domecrats have over 800 super delegates so please compare apples to apples. You also must have your state primary after march 15th to even have bonus delegates in most cases.
Name 1 state where we have majority.
1 state would be WA and that's all i am going to say
It has become public information that our delegates in TX took over 1/3 of the county chair positions in the state so do the math.
Now keep in mind i am not going to disclose all of the information i have that would be stupid at the very least.
You are just going to have to trust me
Now have you become a delegate?
Dr. Steve Parent