Political Punch

So now Wright is gone. That should take care of everything.
And Barack never was in the church when his pastor/mentor spewed venomous hatred against America, so everything's o.k. now.
Whew...Barack dodged a bullet there. We're all convinced. No harm done.
Keith Olbermann seemed to be satisfied, and he's very impartial, so let's all start chanting again.
Where's the kool-aid? Cheers.

I'm sure that Obama's tv appearances last night were pretty disappointing for his followers. Other than the Olbermann softball interview (Keith tried desperately to minimalize the situation), Obama seemed submissive to Garrett on Fox and quite frigtened in the rest of the interviews. Reminds me of Bush.

if obama is the dems nominee, he will not win in the general election. just imagine that one clip of the man he's described as his mentor and spiritual advisor, the minister he says brought him to christianity and the church, the former (but only as of last night?!) spiritual advisor to his campaign (is this a campaign position i've just never heard of before or something some people make up because it sounds so gosh darned spiritual?) and this clip of reverent wright saying 'god d*mn america' being played over and over and over and over again, because it will be, for months and months and months, because that's how long the campaign will be during july, august, september, october until november, and how many average voters who might otherwise have taken a chance on obama will be worse than outraged but honestly sick to their stomachs at the thought of it -- they will NOT hold their noses and vote for a man who's spiritual advisor makes these sorts of 'sermons.' it will not happen. obama cannot win the general election this year. maybe 4 or 8 years from now after he's distanced himself further, but not just a couple of months after. and talk about a divisive campaign? hillary is divisive? obama's campaign is now the divisive one.

He may survive if no footage comes out with him at a hateful service. My brother who was and is an Obama supporter doesn't even believe that he never heard any of those comments. That is just not a credible statement. And I want to know is the Rev. out of his life. The thought of the Rev. in the Whitehouse is just too much to take.

SadStateOfAffairs,

I could not disagree more. Senator Obama has gone out of his way to address all issues that have arisen in a timely and transparent way. That is more than I can say for Senators Clinton and McCain (still no tax returns or earmarks released and still running campaigns against lobbyists on the same bus with lobbyists).

NobodysFool,

Credibil'ty gap', n. 1. a lack of confidence by the public in statements made by politicians, corporations, etc. 2. a perceived discrepancy between statements and actual performance or behavior.

Therein lays the problem.......Obama has a credibilty gap.

Senator Obama, like most people, go to church for SPIRITUAL reasons, not POLITICAL ones. Senator Obama agrees with his pastor's SPIRITUAL message, not his POLITICAL ones. Is this really that hard to understand? Do not all President's have this issue of separating their personal faith from the common good of ALL the American people? Why is Senator Obama held to a different standard?

The pink elephant that wanders the room, however, is that because the Obama campaign, rightfully, will not lower itself to the garbage flinging attacks by both the Clinton campaign and the conservative Republicans some Obama supporters may feel they need to fill in the gap with attacks of their own where the official campaign does not choose to do so. It is a temptation many of us have had and we applaud Senator Obama for raising us all out of that mire.

You cannot undo 20 years of damage to Obama as a person by saying that Wright is no longer part of your campaign. It just does'nt work that way.

This is true of Rezko too. You cannot undo the 20 years of making Obama to who he is by distancing yourself from Rezko.

These two men were the most important people in Obama's life. Let's not kid ourselves.

There is something behind all that smooth talking and we all now know it. Obama is damaged goods and democrats will be crazy to keep latching to him because the college kids happen to worship him. The truth is the kids don't know any better.

Sad thing is blacks are also not willing to look objectively at Obama and conclude that he is just playing us.

After viewing some of the Reverend Wright's sermons on the internet, I wonder how anyone could claim to be a "Christian," a follower of Jesus Christ, and attend a church or listen to sermons filled with so much profanity and hate.

How would anyone, such as Barak Obama, claim to be ignorant of the message of the Reverend Wright (whether he heard it in a sermon or not) and claim the man as his spiritual advisor and "an old uncle."

Does Barak Obama really believe that we are stupid enough to believe such gibberish?

Do Senators Clinton or McCain attend church? If so, where? Have all of the sermons of their pastors been reviewed for inflammatory rhetoric? Are presidential candidates required to agree with every word spoken by all of the people who attend their church? If so, when was this requirement established? Why is the story about the controversial pastor that endorsed Senator McCain suddenly a non story? Hasn't Senator Clinton received support from religious leaders with questionable views as well?

Obama wants to lead this country as the President....you've gotta be kidding.

The decissions that he has made in the past....I think I prefer someone else answer that 3:00 am phone call.

Anonymous,

Blame the media. They had this information for months and withheld it. MSNBC is still trying to bury it.

Hard to digest. Extremist views should always be condoned and Obama has done it rightfully, but why did it take so long to denounce his Pastor? What is mind boggling is that Obama just realized today that his Pastor has extremist views after taking all the support he could get from his Pastor. Obama is not a transparent guy after all!! People like me vehemently supported him without knowing his past - hope America forgives me!!

This is not going away I am sure the right wing will have much more and for once I am glad they are finally telling us more about this. Obama will not be good in the GE I can't believe they would even try to get this stuff past people as he is only an old Uncle that sometime said he hates America and the white race and the jews.

For months I dismissed all the rhetoric about Obama's preacher and mentor as political garbage, however now after seeing and hearing this hateful nut recently on MSM I've learned my lesson about so easily dismissing these investigative articles. Hearing Rev. Wright was very concerning. He makes Hitler sound like a choir boy.

If Obama really deplores this hate, why has he stayed with this nut for 20 years? Wright was much more than just his preacher. Obama describes him as his "mentor", advisor, uncle, friend…

I still can't see why Obama would go to this "church" for 20 years and support it financially.. What was all this talk about hope and superior judgement he claimed to offer. I don't think he's electable after this fiasco..

And why did it take so long for the media to report this???

Will

You need to can it. It is one thing to support a candidate, but it is complete stupidity and absurdity to back a candidate who doesnt have Integrity, Hates Americans and is always Flip-flopping on statements/issues.

With you being a war-veteran, like you said earlier, I personally would expect better judgement from you on supporting Obama in this instance. You have no case Will. Obama has no case.

yep, so saddened. Now for the video. That would be interesting to see and hear what was going on there.

Will, I SECOND you on that one!!! :)

I know he difference between denunciate and reject. My point was that I didn't feel that Senator Obama directly questioned the answer. Since semantics is your sticking point...There is a difference between saying you reject the views of a man and saying you reject the explicit endorsement of a man. His initial answer was too mild and Hillary was pointing that out that there should be an explicit rejection of the endorsement, not just Farrakhan's views. Since you asked, what would suit me is if he answered the question that he was asked.

Exactly what point are you trying to make by stating that 'egregious is too subjective'? Of course it is subjective...this is a comment in a blog. Again, I don't think any actions by either candidate has been egregious up to this point. What Eliot Spitzer did was egregious and his resignation from office was indicative of that. The resignations of surrogates so far have paled in comparison.

He can reject and denounce as Hillary can, but because he set the standard of a platform based on a new kind of politics, hope and change and also said that certain rhetoric has no place in his campaign, he should have outright removed Rev. Wright from his campaign, but he chose not to do this initially. He did this in the last few hours. Again, too little, too late. To me, his initial unwillingness to run his campaign by his own standards demonstrates a lack of judgment on this issue.

Being anti-American is not being a racist. My argument in no way implies that Senator Obama is a racist. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

"

not arguing - I just thought her sudden Certainty was strange.

She is rarely so definitive in ANYthing she says or does - which she has been a grave disappointment to me to say the least. For her to be like Nah uh, no ticket. I was like who the hell is she to make that statement when she can't figure out how to get her party to vote in strength most of the time. They still act like a minority more often then not.

So her sudden, strong CERTAIN, I just felt was out of place and odd. Unless she had some tip-off and then she'd be trying to look all smart and smug.
"

I understand.

Yeah, I have my issues with pelosi and the dems in general. I have come to believe there is too much cowardice in the party. As weird as kucinich is, at least he tried to get Bush fired.

Im going to support the Dems to get the presidency as well as more seats in congress. But, if they get political power to that degree where they can make real change and screw it up, I will never vote for a dem again.

not arguing - I just thought her sudden Certainty was strange.

She is rarely so definitive in ANYthing she says or does - which she has been a grave disappointment to me to say the least. For her to be like Nah uh, no ticket. I was like who the hell is she to make that statement when she can't figure out how to get her party to vote in strength most of the time. They still act like a minority more often then not.

So her sudden, strong CERTAIN, I just felt was out of place and odd. Unless she had some tip-off and then she'd be trying to look all smart and smug.

So what --- only for more voters, not really for disagreement.

2009...

more speculation? It was and is evident, the Democratic party is split. If you compare Obama's speeches with Hillary's speeches. They are at odds with each other. Hillary says Obama is not ready to be C.I.C. Obama says Hillary is old politics and that we need a change. What's the speculation for?

Now someting else strikes me as strange here too!

Nancy Pelosi - UCK - was babbling the other day CERTAIN that there would be NO DREAM TICKET. Remember that?

I just wonder how she was so damn CERTAIN. Could she have KNOWN something? For the first time in her Leadership, could she have had some good information and that was her coded way of saying - Nah Nah Nah, won't be happening, cause . . .

?

"The Ferraro thing was totally a "guilt by association" and even after Clinton rejected her statements, it was still viewed as too mild with Olbermann making a claim that in the absence of a stronger rejection, she is basically approving Ferraro's rhetoric. That is what I feel is absurd."

She did respond mildy. It was Ferraro that quit and Hillary initially defended Ferraro. You might have missed Hillarys initial statement on this.

"Honestly, I don't think any of the surrogates or advisors should have to step down for their missteps unless they are completely egregious, which up to this point, there haven't really been any."

"egregious" is too subjective. Wright is ranting like a fool and needs to get out of the picture. Ferraro is an idiot and needs to get out of the picture. Period. Racist statements have no place in this campaign.

"I think the "reject" point was a valid one. Tim Russert specifically asked if he rejects [Farrakhan's] support? His response went on to say that he had been very clear of his denunciation of him [Farrakhan] and his past statements. He didn't directly respond to Russert's question."

I watched the video. And I would have responded the exact same way. He answered the question with a perfectly legitimate answer. Then he was asked the same question again as if to imply that he was mincing his words. Within minutes he used the words reject and denounce which is silly. Now, we have a precedent between the candidates where they will have to reject and denounce every scandal that pops up instead of focusing on the issues. Sorry, kind of irks me because it is fairly stupid.

"In my opinion, there is a difference between denunciating the views of a man and outright rejecting that same man's explicit support for his candidacy."

I really don't want to offend you on this one but do you know what denounce means? Though it is your opinion, the word denounce has a specific meaning. Would it suit you if he said, I boycott, rebuke, decry. Here's that example I keep mentioning of holding someone up to an un-even standard.

"Senator Obama's big problem with the Wright issue is that he has to live and die by his own sword. He is the one who set the rules for his campaign and said certain types of statements have no place in it. If Rev. Wright wasn't a part of the campaign, then fine. However, he was an advisor on one of Senator Obama's committee and rejecting and denouncing his views was not sufficient according to his own rules. Too little, too late in my opinion."

Too little, too late. So Hillary can apologize, reject, denounce, wait for someone to fire themselves but Obama can't. Again, I don't care about his church or any candidates church. But, I am more concerned with how he approaches this. He will receive a huge backlash regarding this. But, just like the Clintons, he should have a chance rectify.

"Beyond that, I am having a hard time believing that being a member of the same church for 20 years and never hearing Rev. Wright's anti-American rhetoric seems implausible."

I agree with you on this, but I for one am waiting to hear proof Obama is a racist. Which is what the argument is attempting to do.

I just read where David Gergen on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight said that if anyone produces a photo or a picture of Obama as a sermon that has these racially charged comments, he is finished and will have to resign.

there is greta wire . com and a poll, asking how this will effect Obama

87% say it could be fatal and think it is extremely serious.

Hey "Will",
A bit of analysis,

Thank you for providing coherent talking points that I can either accept or reject through civil discourse.

"there is a big difference between the Reverend Wright matter and the Ferraro matter."

Awaiting to hear/read the differences.

"Ferraro was a previously vetted VP nominee without a history of public overt racial comments that surprisingly went south during the course of the campaign, and Hillary cut her loose."

A previously vetted VP? I don't understand what this has to do with her comment. I respectfully ask that you elaborate.
You make it seem as if she let her loose as soon as she heard about the controversy. That is not true. And, I may be wrong, but Ferraro left and was asked if she was told to leave, she said no. If you require a link, i'll try to find it...but what i said is more acurate.

"Wright's rascism had to be known to Obama, although Wright had not yet been publicly vetted, and yet Obama chose to install him in the campaign. It was not until there was a public outcry about his rascism that Obama acted."

Again, this is an obvious association with a fool. Why Wright needs to be vetted is beyond me. I don't see why he matters. But if he does, then I get to bring up Clintons associations. Furthermore, the way these issues have been going, public outcry has been the only source of getting these politicians to respond. Yet, Obama is being treated as if he is the only one with questionable ties. Furthermore, some would say Ferraro's comment were racist. Im not to certain if it is, but I can certainly see why someone would think so.

"This shows a failure in judgement."

Certainly, not one to the level of authorizing a war, but certainly bad judgment. He should have known, every part of his life would be scrutinized. Soon his sex life will be under the microscope.

"Obama was not surprised by Wright's rascism, he is only acting to quell the outcry."

Of course, no other politician would do that.

"Hillary was surprised by Ferraro's behavior and similarly acted to quell the outcry."

Subjective. But, even if I let you have this as a talking point, it doesnt answer Hillary's initial defense of Ferraro and subsequent apology.

"There is a substantive difference in the root judgement in each case, with Obama showing inherent judgemental weakness."

I like the argument as a display of weak judgment. It definitely reduces his talking points. He now will have to show how his judgment is clear on governmental matters but not in his social matters. I do know he has said many times how imperfect he is.

Im getting depressed at the thought of this pending McCain presidency.

The Ferraro thing was totally a "guilt by association" and even after Clinton rejected her statements, it was still viewed as too mild with Olbermann making a claim that in the absence of a stronger rejection, she is basically approving Ferraro's rhetoric. That is what I feel is absurd.

Honestly, I don't think any of the surrogates or advisors should have to step down for their missteps unless they are completely egregious, which up to this point, there haven't really been any.

I think the "reject" point was a valid one. Tim Russert specifically asked if he rejects [Farrakhan's] support? His response went on to say that he had been very clear of his denunciation of him [Farrakhan] and his past statements. He didn't directly respond to Russert's question. In my opinion, there is a difference between denunciating the views of a man and outright rejecting that same man's explicit support for his candidacy.

Senator Obama's big problem with the Wright issue is that he has to live and die by his own sword. He is the one who set the rules for his campaign and said certain types of statements have no place in it. If Rev. Wright wasn't a part of the campaign, then fine. However, he was an advisor on one of Senator Obama's committee and rejecting and denouncing his views was not sufficient according to his own rules. Too little, too late in my opinion.

Beyond that, I am having a hard time believing that being a member of the same church for 20 years and never hearing Rev. Wright's anti-American rhetoric seems implausible.

Hey "Will",
A bit of analysis, there is a big difference between the Reverend Wright matter and the Ferraro matter. Ferraro was a previously vetted VP nominee without a history of public overt racial comments that surprisingly went south during the course of the campaign, and Hillary cut her loose. Wright's rascism had to be known to Obama, although Wright had not yet been publicly vetted, and yet Obama chose to install him in the campaign. It was not until there was a public outcry about his rascism that Obama acted. This shows a failure in judgement. Obama was not surprised by Wright's rascism, he is only acting to quell the outcry. Hillary was surprised by Ferraro's behavior and similarly acted to quell the outcry. There is a substantive difference in the root judgement in each case, with Obama showing inherent judgemental weakness.

"I think Senator Obama asking people not to reject his presidential campaign because of "guilt by association" is absurd in the wake of the Ferraro statements this past week."

Why? At no point did Obama or his campaign ask anyone to reject the "Clintons presidential campaign" for a blatantly stupid comment. Are you suggesting they both should be rejected for their surrogates/associates mess-ups?

Considering, Clinton is the one that started this whole reject mumbo-jumbo, why is she placed in better footing?

Don't worry LOM, FOX NEWS hammered him. He was stammering, pausing, stuttering. He could only answer yes on many questions because of the way they were worded. No wiggle room at all. He tried to laugh it off a bit, but that Major Garrett was direct and though not rude, was not having it.

Now to find this Davis Newsmax Trinity Church video with Obama in it - that is the million dollar video, and if it airs, its over.

The scary part is you know there are people in the background searching photos for Obama at the Church. Searching bank records to see what date his checks were donated on - and then finding the sermons he attended. There are many videos there and I am sure someone has rushed out and bought them all and is going frame by frame, through each DVD, looking for Obama in the audience.

He looked pale and sick tonight. I wonder if he knows he was at some of these and knows somewhere there will be pictures or video?

"Only thing I can say Will, is I am fully aware of all Hillary's blemishes. Bill's don't count, he can't run for President. The sad thing is that Obama was supposed to be above the "Old" politics as usual, and we are now finding out he is not. He set the bar higher for himself, not us. So when he falls from grace, it seems like he is falling a lot father. He preaches against the same old, same old, and he is just more of it."

THANK YOU, JAY. I can respect this line of thought! That is why I think he is in big trouble. He is being sucked into the 'OLD' politics, how is he getting himself out of it, is a valid question.

I do disagree with you on Bill though. I have listed the reasons why many times and have never heard coherent reasons refuting otherwise. Basically, Bills blemishes do count. She is more associated with Hillary then Obama is with 'the idiot.' They are married and the law recognizes them as one, a union.
I have been saying, hold them both to the same standards. You seem to be OK with all of the clintons transgressions. They are quite numerouos. But, If Obama is wrong for his association with Wright, then Hillary is guilty for her associations.

I think Senator Obama asking people not to reject his presidential campaign because of "guilt by association" is absurd in the wake of the Ferraro statements this past week.

The Olbermann interview was a joke (not that I should be surprised). Those weren't even softball questions, more like t-ball questions where the coach just goes ahead and hits the ball for you. I really fail to see the difference between the Clinton/Ferraro incident compared to the Obama/Wright incident other than the latter is much WORSE. Olbermann is a coward in his skewed "reporting." Where are his "special comments" for this?

I agree that you don't cover all of the major news networks unless you have to backtrack for something BAD. It'll be interesting to see how the dust settles on this one. Hopefully, Senator Obama will be able to politically survive this one.

It seems that with this "Fall from grace" thing Obama and Spitzer stories would have a lot more in common. However, Gweyn from This Week on PBS does not have the Obama/Wright story, no she is running a Spitzer and Ferraro story. Someone said Gweyn was "In the tank" for Obama, you were right.

Only thing I can say Will, is I am fully aware of all Hillary's blemishes. Bill's don't count, he can't run for President. The sad thing is that Obama was supposed to be above the "Old" politics as usual, and we are now finding out he is not. He set the bar higher for himself, not us. So when he falls from grace, it seems like he is falling a lot father. He preaches against the same old, same old, and he is just more of it.

tonight they bundled 111 Obama campaign proposals into an amendment for a bill and Obama was forced to vote against his own campaign proposals.

The amendment went down to defeat 97-0.

His campaign proposals would cost $1.4 TRILLION dollars if enacted. The vote was meant to force people to note the craziness of this amateur's campaign promises.

It was clear, and Obama was FURIOUS, that he had been shown to be a fool and incapable of sound spending.

I can't put the link here, so google Obama Votes against His Own Bill - and see for yourselves.

This nasty Republican jerk did it on purpose, but it sure as hell made a very sound point. Obama is not ready to lead a choir, let alone a country. He has a lot of learning to do, and a lot of growing up to do. And ugly stares at people don't scare people in power.

And if this video of him nodding in Trinity, to a Hate Speech is shown, he is finished, completely finished. His campaign would have to end. No one would ever support that, if they saw it with their own two eyes. And then there will be riots. This is a frame up. This is a set up. As if someone put a gun to his head, and made him show up at the church, and nod in agreement.

Being in the music business I have many black friends and associates. It is a different world. We all respect each other and we don't have racist problems that arise. Most of the black people I know are wonderful human beings, so why is there such a part of America that is so racist? Blacks hating whites, whites hating blacks. You would think in 2008 we would all be able to live with each other , no matter what our skin tone is.

Hate to say it...but I told you so. This is bad for dems in November.I don't think he can claim electability now.

2009. You are correct. Information in 1992 was mostly television, print and radio. In 2008 we have instant access at our fingertips . All news of importance good or bad spreads like wildfire immediately.
In 1992 approx 300,000 people had internet access in the USA. In 2003 the figure was 55 million. I am sure it must be close to 80 million today

Chan stated:

Like I said, how would this resolve the following issues:

1)How would this issue end the war?

2)How would this rude the cost of gas?

3)How would this improve health care?

4)How would this improve the mortgage crisis?

5)How would this improve the situation at the borders?

6)How would this cancel our budget deficits.

I AGREE!

Man, I am not an Obama supporter, but this is out of control. He's getting the Kitchen sink, the 3 bedroom house and the family suv thrown at him it seems in a 24 hour period. If this doesn't destroy him, it will surely give him pause to think about why he ran for the Presidency in the first place.

Karut: They are not too excited in Pa,OH,WV,KY, and I bet if we could do over some more states besides FL and MI, he would lose after this. If you think that working class americans who love,work and die for america are not offended to the point that if they have to decide between McCain a true american hero and Obama who just now found out that he loves america then Obama love does have you blinded.

You mean there is a video with Obama agreeing with a hate Wright Speech? Or just a normal speech?

Will, I am TOTALLY against, viciously against, church uniting with state. I hope for nothing but the permanent separation of church and state, so don't worry there. I think faith taken to its unproveable extremes should be labeled as Cult Behavior. Fundamentalism is NEVER healthy. It is the religious psychos that will blow us up long before the scientists. They don't have the passion and quick hair trigger tempers that religious zealots do. No scientist would be so pissed about losing funds that he would fly a plane into a building. But a religious nutcase, POed because his unseen god has been insulted, would not hesitate to destroy the planet in the name of said invisible god.

It worries me when religion creeps into the system because in the end, it would be the church in power that decides who god talks to and who doesn't, and who god supports and who god doesn't.

Thanks Marie.

For backing me up.

Newsmax and Davis are going to make millions out of that tape of Obama in the Aug 2007 Hate America speech by Wright in which Obama was listening, nodding and acknowledging each of Wright's words.

Just saw Obama on fox news with Major Garrett, man, he was stuttering so bad, I started to feel sorry for him. Major asked some hard questions and called him out on some shucking and jiving at the end.

MattOhio stated:

"Just find that photo or video placing Obama in one of Wright's racist hateful sermons and his campaign is over. He has lied to the American public on National television."

Reporter Jim Davis of Newsmax, dated Aug. 9, 2007, states that he (Davis) was in Trinity Church and Obama was present during one of Rev. Wright's racist rants. He says that Obama, along with members of the congregation, were nodding with approval at the rant. Google this. Whenever I post the link, my post here gets deleted for some reason.

Yes, if they find a video or photo of Obama, at a sermon of hate, who's date can be traced definitively, he is in very very deep trouble.

I think that is why he did not completely say clearly I was never ever there when he said those things - he said he would have left the church if he has heard Wright repeat those statements. But he knows that somewhere there may be photos of him so he is really balancing on a tightrope.

If he says never, and then they show him sitting there, or even better clapping along - he is a dead duck.

If this steady "drip, drip drip" of negative associations and missteps by Obama continue, voters in Illinois, Maryland, Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina et al will be begging the superdelegates to move to Clinton since they can't take back their own votes for this guy who's just not equipped. And to think I actually believed he could be Clinton's VP.

Mr. Obama wants us to beleive that for the 20 yrs. that he has been going to this church he had never heard anything like this from Rev. Wright. Well if you buy that then I have some land between two houses in Chicago I want to sell you.

Just watched CNN, Anderson Cooper 360(still watching it). I guess all I can say is religion and politics go together in America. Sen. McCain has similar problems too. Only Hillary is clean so far on this issue. GO Hillary 08.

"Will, no matter how much you hate it, you can't erase it.

20 years attendance means you have the full support of the institution and you in return, fully support that institution."

This is an absolute rainy cloud for Obama. No questions about it. But, I don't believe in the guilty by association angle. When I have brought issue with the Ferraro comment, I made it clear...it wasnt so much that Ferraro said what she said, it's that Hillary would not reject the comments as she led people to believe she would in a previous debate. I don't care if she was associated with Hillary's campaign just like I dont care that Chelsea campaigns for her mom, or Oprah for BO, or HC/BO gets endorsed by whomever...I care what their stance is on issues and whether I believe them or not.

"He is carefully dancing around right now, because he knows if anyone has a picture of him as a service that was inflammatory, and on sale in the Gift Shop, he is dead on arrival. He cannot make a blanket denial for this very reason. To be caught in that would be fatal."

No, not quite. But, I don't watch CSI...I could be wrong. If you notice, I think it's going to be tough for Obama or Hillary to win the GE. They are doing a great job of tearing the Dem Party down or at least their surrogates are.

"So he is going to dodge and have all his bloggers and surrogates try to bring up McCain and his church, or Regan long dead, and his church, or bring up Clinton, or whatever it takes to change the subject."

And why are you against bringing up evidence? You'd prefer to bring up hypotheticals

"But this is serious because of the crazy Republican Ultra-Patriotic wing. They will never let this go."

I absolutely agree with you on this. But, I do not believe they will not attack Hillary on issues nor do I not believe Obama can't outlive this issue.

"I am not saying I agree with those nutcases, Will, I don't. I have despised those people my entire life. I have debated those people my entire life. I think they should take that flag and burn themselves alive in it. I do not support the Civil War Rising Again. But you can't ignore it because you don't like it."

What you don't understand, I am not a die-hard Obamanite. I can be persuaded with the right evidence. This is not a "deal-breaker" for me. Since I know of the problems with Hillary, I can say this is not enough to make me say change my vote. You have not proven that Obama is a racist or believes this guys rants.

"It is going to be held against him to the end. Look at the stupid fuss over the flag pin? I mean they dragged that out for weeks. And this is much worse. And he has not been honest."

True. What I keep trying to tell you, neither have the clintons. You flinch when I bring up Clintons, as I keep telling you, you are holding Obama to some bar that you arent demanding of the Clintons.

"And there are MANY things he has distorted. So he has a lot of answering now that the party is over for him."

Alright, lets start airing them out. For both sides.

I believe that Barack Obama's political career is over. There is no media spin that can make this go away. There is no way he can defend himself. The facts are the facts. The dream is over. How could anyone ever elect him to be the President of the United States of America?

PS new story - on politico . com

We have Obama caught in ANOTHER lie about something ELSE

It seems that the Rezko money is much more than was revealed before now. It is up to $250,000 now, and yes we know about clinton, this is about Obama right now, so now Obama says 90,000 of it couldn't be turned to charity - it seems they have spent it already.

head over and see the story if you think I am lying. Of course, once you read it, you will say POLITICO is lying, so what is the use, really.

politico . com / news / stories / 0308/9049 if you want to fact check me.

I don't know if I can put that address in here though, so sorry if I am not allowed?

virginia - the new york times also said mccain was cozying up to a lobbyist. do you believe everything you read? obama was putting distance between them? the picture plastered all over the place is a recent one.

Reverend Wirght and Obama are clearly self righteous. The say anything one liner campaign is over.

Lets start looking at the slums left as slums in Chicago. Is a sin.

Bush like votes to continue the war in the Senate. Is a sin.

Land deal with Rezko. Is a sin

Having you kids listen to hate sermons every week is a sin.

A man of integrity would never sit through 20 years of Rev. Wright.

A man of integrity would never allow his wife to work at a hospital that overcharges for drugs and services by 538%, while it gives her a pay RAISE of 212,000 a week AFTER Obama is elected to office. They also, through public record and the IRS, show they charge blacks more than whites.

A man of integrity would never claim a civil rights march in 1965 helped his parents feel safe enough to love and have him - in 1961.

A man of integrity would never deregulate a bill so terribly his own party would reject it because his donor Exelon was exerting special pressure on the senator.

A man of integrity would never lie about his name being African when it is completely Arabic, Barack (Baraka - blessed in Arabic) Hussein (must I?) Obama (really? Swahili? Look it up)

A man of integrity would not lie about being a Professor of Law when he was only a senior lecturer on leave.

A man of integrity would not lie about being a Constitutional Lawyer when he was again, only a senior Lecturer ON LEAVE.

A man of integrity would not say he wrote the Ethics Bill when he had nothing to do with it, from beginning to end.

A man of integrity wouldn't hide from his Muslim roots just to win an election.

A man of integrity would not have had a real estate deal with a known investigated criminal.

A man of integrity would never have denied his own campaign created the first negative ad of the campaign - 1984 - was created by one of his own, on his Apple laptop, in one afternoon.

A man of integrity would not invent news articles about race to endear unsuspecting people.

A man of integrity would not have insulted someone on connections to Wal-Mart when their wife is directly connected to Wal-Mart.

Those are a few of a very long list. He is no man of integrity.

"See all the paid bloggers bring up 1992 and Bill Clinton's Presidency, trying to change this blog again? See it."

No, the american citizen attempting to correct the paid Clinton blogger is bringing pertenint information since you obviously want o hold your candidate to a different standard. Are you saying historical fact is not evidence? Can't bring up 1992 then why can Hillary bring up 35 years?

"Distract. Dodge. Distort. Divert. Make sure you never ever answer the questions. Point the other way. Make sure you never tell them yes or no, just go down the middle."

The answer isnt to your liking. But that doesnt make it not true.

"Clinton's Past Does Not Excuse Obama's Present."

OK, yet you have made every attempt to bring up 20 years of his attendance at a church. Be real.

Like I said, how would this resolve the following issues:

1)How would this issue end the war?

2)How would this rude the cost of gas?

3)How would this improve health care?

4)How would this improve the mortgage? crisis?

5)How would this improve the situation at the borders?

6)How would this cancel our budget deficits?
The fact is there are so many important issues I'll rather discuss than this old angry pastors problems. This is not a Jerry Springer Show. Let's discuss important issues that affect our lives.

virginia - had obama not gotten caught with this wright scandal, wright would be inhabiting the lincoln bedroom.

at 3am, that's who would be picking up the phone. wright. telling your children that their daddy is overseas fighting a war that their great-granddaddy started.

obama should resign.

Vanessa, how has Clinton proven herself to be a "disgrace to woman"? You can say a lot of things about her, but you surely can't say that.

You only make yourself look bad, if you make an outrageous statement and back it up with nothing. It also only makes anyone with half a brain want to vote for anyone other than who you want.

Hillary '08 or bust!

Vanessa, you're seventeen and this is what you choose to do with your free time? Very impressive. Truly Vanessa. But I still want Hillary. Sorry.

See all the paid bloggers bring up 1992 and Bill Clinton's Presidency, trying to change this blog again? See it.

Distract. Dodge. Distort. Divert. Make sure you never ever answer the questions. Point the other way. Make sure you never tell them yes or no, just go down the middle.

Clinton's Past Does Not Excuse Obama's Present.

Will, errant as it is, thanks for the response –

"Obama got rid of him. I guess that's that."
You know that is not that. You can't take back your life long friendship, your life long church attendance, or twenty years of donations. I'm can't wait to see how Obama will charm his way out of this one.

Yes, Obama is the most liberal person in the senate. Frequently quoted in articles. Look it up.

I suppose it depends on one's definition, but Clinton is very close in the popular vote, and I'll be surprised if she doesn't take it in the end (especially now). Of 27.6 million votes cast, she is down by about 102,000 (ABC news website).

I would say up until Saturday Night Live, Obama had free reign in the media. Perhaps this was done with Bill Clinton in '92 – it doesn't make it any less true.

Your deluding yourself if you think the media is covering up anything that might be out there on Hillary. Most of the media don't like her. By the way, how many times does she have to say she will release her tax returns by April 15th?

Obama has had a great campaign strategy picking off delegates in red states, but that is not going to mean anything in November. Like it or not, Hillary is the only that has a chance against McCain. If some of you can get over whatever qualms you have with her personality and style, you will realize that she's the only one that it is going to stand up to the republicans and be able to take it and get something done. Don't forget, her and Obama vote about 95% the same.

Hillary 08' or bust!

"So obama has been close to this man for 20 years, by his own admission. he's like amember of the family. Obama gives his ministry $20,000 a year and he doesn't know what the guy is preaching in his sermons?? And the guy has been preaching this way for years.

How can Obama be trusted to run a governement, if he doesn't even know the views a close personal friend and spiritual advisor he financially supports is espousing from the pulpit?"

I agree! If you don't know what you pastor...or your SPOUSE is up to...you shouldn't be running this country. Hmm, how did I get spouse twisted in there?

Someone check the man's tax returns he loves to bring up all the time and see how much of the Obama's money has gone into promoting this hatred please, when these videos were made etc.

Someone, some investigative journalist, somewhere on the planet and check his itinery to see when he was actually in church.

The man is lying through his teeth. Someone do their job. Please.

i see posts doing the predictable things - attacking clinton, trying to distance obama from his pastor, or going into arguments about numbers of delegates. re clinton attacks - whatever you think about clinton is one thing, but doesn't change anything about obama. re distancing - not gonna work. can't call someone your 20 year spiritual adviser then get (reasonable) people to believe you had no clue what he was about. re numbers of delegates - neither obama nor clinton will have enough without superdelegates. and the wright thing is going to look REALLY bad for obama as the superdelegates evaluate whether he's electable in november - which he isn't.

and vanessa at 17 years old - your youth may explain your views. but most of the electorate aren't 17.

about 4 years ago, I attended this same church. obama is a liar, wright was talking about america the same way then. the first time you hear it, your heart sinks. you almost can't believe your ears.

wright is well-known for his voice in illinois and surround. wright was obama's spiritual advisor? do you think he never mentioned such words?

Will, do I need to prove the hypothetical?

You are doing it for me, by defending him even when he is CAUGHT. Period. He is busted. He spent 20 years in the church. He never heard the sermons.

So that means Wright knew when to give those sermons, and when not to? How did he know if Obama was in the audience?

He didn't. And he didn't turn away from his planned sermons, especially the doozie he gave on Christmas Day, 2007. Now, just wait and see if there are pictures to put Obama there. And then comes the recordings of that sermon.

That is why Obama is tip-toeing. He knows he was at some of these sermons. What he doesn't know, is A) was it recorded and B) did anyone photograph me.

So he can't come out too hard, because if he is caught by photo, he must resign.

But you will defend this yet again. Nothing will ever rise to the point of 'I Reject You Now'. Nothing. He could do anything at this point, have ANYONE in his campaign, and you will never divert. You will bring up the past as a defense for Obama, but anyone over 25 knows this defense only works on TV. It don't cut it in real life.

And his judgement is wrong. And apparently, that vote of 111 Obama proposals, it lost 99-0. So others agree, including Obama, cause he voted against his own proposal, that his judgement sucks.

He did unite the Senate though, that is true. He united them against an idiotic, disasterously amateurish bill. And to think this proposal is made up of all of his newest, debate and campaign policies.

How can he run on them now that he himself voted against them? How? 99-0! How? His judgement is in the tank, the same tank it has always been in. The same tank he has been trying to invent himself out of for most of his adult life - giving him aires and results he never had, giving himself accomplishments he was never part of, awarding himself kudos for bills he didn't write. He is his own invention and his empty resume rattles like a tomb.

And now it is going to come out. Piece by piece and the Republicans are out for blood. They hate a non-patriot. And it is unfair to Obama because though they are not his words, he never got up and walked out while they were being said.

And to try and convince us the Wright never once gave a sermon like these with him in the audience is laughable.

Now if someone can produce of video or photo with him there, on a day of hate, he is finished entirely. And they will blame Hillary for Obama attending the church for 20 years. It is her fault, just wait and see.

And yeah 6 months ago I heard this guys sermons, his travel history to Lybia, his support of Farakhan, but Obama didn't?????

I dont live anywhere near Chicago. Now Obama is just lying.

One of these sermons is from Christmas day. Was Obama not in church that day??? Oh but the RevWright was almost retiring , for the last 20 years. Yeah

"Vanessa....you were'nt 'around'? So basiacally you don't know anything about the clinton admin...except for what youve heard in the past couple of months?and youre going to JUDGE for that?"

Vanessa, you have every right to vote however way you want. The clinton administration of yesteryears is not certain to come just because the two have the same last name. Older people have voted for stupid reasons and continue to do so.

"Do you even know what qualifications any of the other candidates have? Have you researched Obamas qualifications? Id HOPE (theres a word that will catch you) that Americas youth would have enough sense to think for themselves, but so far the majority have proven to be followers.

"And you want these Obama followers to vote for HC in the GE after receiving such warm respect for there basic right to excercise their choice?"

"IF Obama is elected it is the children like yourself that will cry and complain hardest when the country is COMPLETELY destroyed."

Fear-Mongering. The red phone is ringing at 3 AM. Hillary, who happens to be fully awake at 3 AM will save you from the evil Obama that will destroy this nation.

"And you REALLY think he didnt know that his pastor said any of this?..of COURSE he did!"

Because you can read minds.

"...the only reason he's distancing now is because he got BUSTED supporting it. Why isnt he supporting the man who has been his mentor for 20 years?...how does he so easily kick him to the curb?"

Just like the Clintons have kicked Ferraro to the curb.

"Ill tell you. He doesnt care who he steps on to get there....even if it is his beloved pastor. To me a REAL man of character would have at least stuck up for him. Not so readily thrown him to the wolves. 20 years is a LONG time to know a person, so to believe that he has never heard this before is very naive."

He should have stuck up for him now? or should he reject him? Damn'd if he does, Damn'd if he doesnt I guess.

I see a lot of people complaining about some sort of guilt by association. I would like to point out that a lot of obama supporters were doing that very same thing with geraldine ferror. However, there is a big difference here. Hillary does not have a 20 year relationship with Geraldine Ferror, and she does not guide Hillary's soul. Obama said that wright was his minister not a political adviser. well I would like to point out that a spiritual advisor is an advisor to the soul that ultimatley creates your values and thus affects your politics. So no he is not a political advisor he is something much more important he is a guide to his soul.

So obama has been close to this man for 20 years, by his own admission. he's like amember of the family. Obama gives his ministry $20,000 a year and he doesn't know what the guy is preaching in his sermons?? And the guy has been preaching this way for years.

How can Obama be trusted to run a governement, if he doesn't even know the views a close personal friend and spiritual advisor he financially supports is espousing from the pulpit?

How can Obama say he's never heard of his own ministers speeches?

I've never even been to Chicago, and I have personally heard of Wright's views. And not just because of this election.

Why is it you can just never trust a politician?

He may have left the campaign but will he still be a big part of his life.

So Obama can sit and listen to this nearly every week for 20 years and not call for change, and we are supposed to believe he stands for change?

Then he defends the man who made these racist comments that would get any white man killed, and we are supposed to believe he stands for unity?

Finally he kicks out the man who he defended and compared to a relative out the door, and we are supposed to beleive he stands for a new kind of government?

Racism was an issue long ago, and while it still may exist, it seems to exist as much in that church as in a room where its decided a black man doesn't get a job because of the color of his skin. That's not change.

You can't defend someone that makes such polarizing comments and say you stand for unity. Unity should be most evident in a church, and when you are in a church that preaches hate, and stay there for 20 years, you can't claim to stand for unity.

Then, when you kick a man you say you think of as an uncle, you prove yourself as bad, if not worse, than all the other backstabbing politicians in the world. There goes the idea of a new way for Washington.

So without the change, the unity, all we had left was the new way in Washington...and when you can kick a moral compass, spiritual advisor, and a man you think of as an uncle out of your campaign, you lose the new way to do things.

All that's left is a senator that can't even find the bathroom yet.

meow

2009

"Will, this has been the Obama show for 16 weeks now - too bad.

We are to believe that Wright knew when Barack was in the audience? Is that how you are going to defend it?"

Defend what? Barack has never been found to share that idiots views. period.

"I never heard him say those things!

And if Hillary said that, you'd all say BS, and you know it."

Here you go with some hypothetical that can't be proven. But if we were to compare, Clinton made comments that AA's misconstrued as hurtful/racial whatever...she then went to black churches and radio stations to defend herself. I don't see some call for her to resign.

"She'd be forced to resign. And he has only admitted this, like Rezko, is because he was smoked out by the media. THEN he appears and explains. Its typcial Clinton type behavior. He is NO BETTER."

I thought the media was giving him a free pass.

An article I found...

"Clinton was undone by two damaging stories that cut against his credibility. The first was the revelation of his affair by Gennifer Flowers, a former night club singer and television reporter from Little Rock, Arkansas. Clinton blunted this story with an interview on 60 Minutes at the conclusion of Super Bowl XXVI, where he flatly denied (which was subsequently revealed to be a lie when Clinton testified during the Paula Jones law suit) having had this affair."

Obama is immediately on the air all over the place, that's "Damage Control", meaning; they know it's BAD.

Vanessa....you were'nt 'around'? So basiacally you don't know anything about the clinton admin...except for what youve heard in the past couple of months?and youre going to JUDGE for that? Do you even know what qualifications any of the other candidates have? Have you researched Obamas qualifications? Id HOPE (theres a word that will catch you) that Americas youth would have enough sense to think for themselves, but so far the majority have proven to be followers.IF Obama is elected it is the children like yourself that will cry and complain hardest when the country is COMPLETELY destroyed. And you REALLY think he didnt know that his pastor said any of this?..of COURSE he did!...the only reason he's distancing now is because he got BUSTED supporting it. Why isnt he supporting the man who has been his mentor for 20 years?...how does he so easily kick him to the curb? Ill tell you. He doesnt care who he steps on to get there....even if it is his beloved pastor. To me a REAL man of character would have at least stuck up for him. Not so readily thrown him to the wolves. 20 years is a LONG time to know a person, so to believe that he has never heard this before is very naive.

why is everyone who doesn't like obama accused of not liking him because he is black.

people are ignorant.

Obama is absolutely responsible for this man's ministry when he has been financially supporting it for 20 years, last year $22,000.

Obama not only condones this message with his membership, he pays to disseminate it.

Jay - where do I find the Obama Olbermann interview, I must send it to all my Obama supporting friends. Time to get them to wake up.

I sure hope Hillary's camp is watching all this.

If Obama is taken down this has nothing to do with Hillary this is the same fire that her and Bill been put thru from the right for the past twenty years am I sorry it is happening to Obama no because of the way the democrats have treated Hillary I think it is justice being done

"Obama doesn't stand a chance. Obama has mostly gotten a free ride by the media up until recently."

No, he's gotten the same coverage that a relative new-comer would get. Clinton in '92 for example. But, who wants to do research that would take too long.

"After the Wright debacle, you're deluding yourself if you think any republicans are going to vote for him."

Agreed.

"Don't forget, he's the most liberal person in the senate."

Did you research this?

"He can't win a big state versus Clinton. NONE of them (except the state he lives in)!"

And? His job isnt to win the big states during the primaries. His job is to get the delegate count necessary to win the nomination. He is doing a pretty good job at that. Better then Hillary is.

"Whatever you think about Hillary, her demons are already out in the open and people still are voting for her."

Not quite. There are issues that she must still account for. Hmmm, we havent heard much of them have we? I wonder, is the vast media conspiracy protecting her?

"She's practically tied in the popular vote. He's already given up Pennsylvania and is fighting to prevent Florida and Michigan from having a say."

The least you could do is tell the truth. This statement is a flat out lie. Kind of like some of the lies the Clintons have made to the public on several occasions.

"If he wins the nomination, we will see Wright's speeches over and over in the media and republican ads. Obama gives $25,000 a year to this idiot and now he is dropping him?"

Agreed. Since Obama hasnt deployed the kitchen sink tactics, maybe McCain and the repubs will.

"Obama is saying the situation is like having a minor disagreement with an "uncle"? Would you have your well-known racist uncle on your campaign?"

Obama got rid of him. So I guess that's that.

"It's OVER for Obama. He will never win an election in November."

agreed. the party is fractured.

"Better vote for Hillary while you still can."

...or stay home.

"Hillary '08 or bust!"

BUST!

Repeat: any true Democrat who doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever it is, is very foolish. Want to stay in the Iraq quagmire? More conservatives on the Supreme Court, with lifetime tenure? More tax breaks for the rich? Then go ahead, vote McCain. And cut off your nose to spite your face.

hey OBAMA4US: you wouldn't lose a friendship over religion, but would you continue going to that friend for advice of the very thing they offer advice on?

Wake up America. This is ridiculous.

emo, you haven't read his book, where he talks about barely being able to stand looking at his white mother and grandmother because of the color of their skin.

Just watch the Obama Olbermann interview. He is a huge liar.....
He praises his pastor, and wanting the American people to trust him...
Stick a fork in him, He is done...

And as for the truckloads, you can see it, I am almost a one man show here.

Look around to all the blogs, all the news channels. They rush in like roaches. Right on time. Only after the first negative remark. Then combine and run in like psychos.

Here is the truth you can never erase---

Wright spent 20 years giving these type of sermons. And Obama never left.

Game Over.

My favorite was Wright saying "when was the last time Hillary was ever called (n-word)?"

I ask of him, when was the last time Obama was ever called the (n-word)?

How can America trust someone who follows the church and pastor of anti-americanism?

Will, this has been the Obama show for 16 weeks now - too bad.

We are to believe that Wright knew when Barack was in the audience? Is that how you are going to defend it?

I never heard him say those things!

And if Hillary said that, you'd all say BS, and you know it.

She'd be forced to resign. And he has only admitted this, like Rezko, is because he was smoked out by the media. THEN he appears and explains. Its typcial Clinton type behavior. He is NO BETTER.

How does Obama "profoundly disagree" with everything Wright says, but continued for 20 years going every Sunday, when there sure are enough churches for him to change to. That is the foundation for which you choose your church. How can we have a president who has a wife whom "is just now proud of her country" and Obama himself, who befriends someone who has basically committed treason by going against the USA with anti-American statements?

It's so sad for all those Americans fighting overseas, so that Wright is free to make those statements.

Obama on FOXNEWS said a very interesting thing. He said he would have quit the church if he heard Wright repeat any of his comments more than once. Now this means that he did attend atleast one of his sermon with racist comments.

Now that my friends.....is the final nail in Obama's political coffin

"Obama is speaking right now on Fox. He is saying he would have quit if he had heard this. So somehow, Wright knew when Obama was in the audience, and carefully never delivered those sermons."

Evidence instead of speculation please.

"Now come the truckloads of Obama campaign people, sent to all news blogs day and night, to try and squash the arguments."

This is a blog, not the Hillary Show. It's popssible that Hillary campaign people are here by the truckloads fanning a flicker into a flame.

Obama doesn't stand a chance. Obama has mostly gotten a free ride by the media up until recently. After the Wright debacle, you're deluding yourself if you think any republicans are going to vote for him. Don't forget, he's the most liberal person in the senate.

He can't win a big state versus Clinton. NONE of them (except the state he lives in)! Whatever you think about Hillary, her demons are already out in the open and people still are voting for her. She's practically tied in the popular vote. He's already given up Pennsylvania and is fighting to prevent Florida and Michigan from having a say.

If he wins the nomination, we will see Wright's speeches over and over in the media and republican ads. Obama gives $25,000 a year to this idiot and now he is dropping him? Obama is saying the situation is like having a minor disagreement with an "uncle"? Would you have your well-known racist uncle on your campaign? It's OVER for Obama. He will never win an election in November. Better vote for Hillary while you still can.

Hillary '08 or bust!

"No one is blaming Obama for the remarks, and you know it."

If you read the posts, that's exactly what some people are suggesting. They are creating a guilty by association argument.

Now come the truckloads of Obama campaign people, sent to all news blogs day and night, to try and squash the arguments.

Just to let you know, this has been going on all day, and you are losing the distraction battle terribly.

Obama is speaking right now on Fox. He is saying he would have quit if he had heard this. So somehow, Wright knew when Obama was in the audience, and carefully never delivered those sermons.

This is interesting, considering that Wright would not have known him, before he was famous, so how then could he have watched what sermons he gave? He couldn't.

This is an example of ship too late to save a drowning witch... Obama can drop him today but how does he justify 20 years of tacit support?

Come the primary... Rev. Wright’s sermon clips will be playing over, and over and over! Pennsylvania’s mostly white working class will not be very well disposed to this guy.

It looks like the real contest in the fall will be Nader vs. McCain. ;-)

2009-

"And AA only make up 12% of the population and even if ALL of them vote for Obama, they do not make up numbers large enough to sway the vote."

Hypothetical question, Are you saying that Hillary wins if the AA were to vote for McCain?

The Obama damage control team is working overdrive to contain this fire.

No one is blaming Obama for the remarks, and you know it.

He sat there and listened to that crap for 20 years. He had plenty of time to leave the church. He could have had his kids baptised by someone else. He could have been married by someone else. He could have withheld donating thousands of dollars, so that the church didn't have his support to continue, but he didn't.

These are distractions to NOT answer the question.

His judgement is in question. 20 years of it. And he is now saying he never heard the sermons. His wife's own remarks mirror in sentiment and character EXACTLY those of Wright. That is no mistake. He says he is not comfortable with the statements. But he wasn't uncomfortable enough to leave.

Of course, now the story from Obama is that he was never there.

They are saying that 45% of Hillary supporters according to Rasmussen will Never Vote For Obama.

I have now become one of them. I would rather vote for a man I can respect, but disagree with, then a man who invents his own history, lies through his teeth, and only admits it when caught in the press. He is a self-invention. He has ZERO results. He has passed ONE BILL in the US Senate - and it was for Africa. He is not part of Selma, He did not write the Ethics Bill, He even voted against his own proposal this week, which he has been throwing at Hillary, as proof of his detailed judgement.

Can you imagine? They just took 111 Obama proposals, those that he is running on now, and they combined them for a vote this week. It lost 99-0, and Obama voted against his own bill!!!!

What is next, President Obama will be vetoing his own bills?

Where is the Outrage from the Church when one of it's own drifts off message of Jesus. Where is the Outrage that the Church has not addressed the message in question?. The only one that has addressed the message is Barack Obama. His detractors have only tried to associate him with the message as somehow reflecting Barack Obama's position on the issues. Just another irrelevant issue to attempt to define Obama without first establishing their own position or relevance. The irrelevant issue was raised, Obama addressed it, and it returned to irrelevancy. That is Presidential substance. The phone rang at 3:00 AM, Obama answered, and it was another prank call. Barack is representing all the people even the pranksters, those who seek to find fault when there is only illusion. Obama 08.

Welcome to the world of Hope and Change.

Barack Hussain Osama's message of Hope and Change are the one's he learnt from his beloved pastor for the past twenty years.

Now we all know why Obama doesn't put his hand on his heart when the National Anthem in played. Deep down he doesn't believe in "God Bless America" but believes in "God Damn America" just like his pastor.

It is scary just to think that this guy might be our President.

Honey, you need to pass a few civics classes, cause I sort of thought you might be young, and probably very very smart, but not into political history.

That is the problem. Supporting someone is fine. But you have to look at facts. And that is what Obama is light on. He has invented a large portion of his history. They are thinking of labeling his books, both of them, as fiction memoirs, during future printings because they are riddled with inconsistencies, mistakes, and outright fabrications.

No Democrat has won the states I mentioned, I also left out North and South Dakota. He is never ever ever ever ever going to win those state I mentioned. He won them because they were Red and trying to get the weakest person in the contest. Republicans can easily cross over in many of those states to vote. Caucuses are disasterously confusing and vote limiting, on purpose.

He is going to go down like the Titanic and this Wright thing won't be forgotten by those Confederate Flag states. I hate that F---ing flag too. I think it is an enemy flag that fought against the country I now live in. I think it is a disgrace and a symbol, first of losers, cause that they did, and of evil rotten ideas. But running this Wright thing in ads down in the South and the West is death for Obama, he cannot win them. They were already predisposed to vote against him. And AA only make up 12% of the population and even if ALL of them vote for Obama, they do not make up numbers large enough to sway the vote.

Obama is no racist. But he is certainly generating plenty of fodder for those who accuse him of being essentially an anti-American separatist. Don't think that won't play in the heartland.

Olbermann was completely trivializing the Rev. Wright association and the Rezko scandal in his interview with Obama. He and Jonathan Alter actually were making it sound like you can't blame Obama for things Wright said because that's "guilt by association". Keith sure didn't feel that way about Hillary during his Clinton/Ferraro rant in his special commentary the other day. They also brought up the fact that Obama didn't want Wright at his presidentical campaign announcement in Springfied as being something that was so hard for him to do.. poor Obama. Rather, it shows what a coward he was (some Mr. Transparency, new politics, etc). He did the same thing in San Francisco to Gavin Newsom who was throwing a fundraiser for him a few years ago. He wanted the money, but didn't want to have his picture taken with Gavin (didn't want to be associated with same-sex marriage).

A preacher is not an old uncle. He is a leader, an advisor, and a counselor. He is a leader, he cultivates followers. Obama should not be allowed to weasel his way out of this one. He has allowed himself to be advised and counseled by a racist, a bigot and a hate mongerer. It scares me that he could become president !

Unless you can show me that every sermon for the 20 years Obama has been in the church the pastor talked like this then Obama is still my guy. Lest all of you forget Obama was raised by his white mother and grandparents and so I find it hard to believe he is a racist in any way or form.

I doubt Hillary or Obama will win the GE. Way too much bitterness.

What an Obamanation.

I thought Obama was a man of integrity. Guess I was wrong. How dare he try to excuse Reverend Wright's racist venom because he was the victim of prejudice when he was younger.

Obama's presidential hopes are now over. There's no way he can "unite" America now.

At this point, that STILL DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION VANESSA

Still.

I never mentioned anything about Hillary winning, did I? No, I did not.

This is the tactic Obama's folks keep using. Distract, don't answer. Dodge, point the other way. Bring up the past to excuse the present.

I never said she would win. But I can see you didn't destroy my numbers. You bring up the 30 states. Why can't he win a major Democratic state? Why? If he is uniting us why can't he win them?

He has won almost EXCLUSIVELY NOVEMBER RED STATES by caucus, OPEN to Republicans. If you think that that somehow proves his viability, then you have not been a political person very long. No one, but no one can make a claim that they are a politically seasoned person and think that Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Colorado, Kansas, and Nebraska have a single chance in hell of going blue in November. Never. They haven't done it, some of them, this century! OK. Study it.

He has lost every single major blue state but his own. Period. Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennesee, South Carolina, North Carolina - these are not Blue States and they are NOT going to be blue because of Obama.

If you can't win your own blue states, you can't win an election as a democrat.

I might as well congratulate McCain on his victory now. Hopefully he takes some independent stances along the way.

Vanessa

After all the youth sees Wright's sermons on the internet, there is going to be an intense internet backlash at Obama.

Not only does the Youth like Fresh Faces and Change in Politics, they also love their country above everything.

Mark my words. Obama sided with Wright's views for 17 years. The Youth will notice and reject him for that.

Anyone remotely related to someone like Mr. Wright who peaches such intense and extreme hate and with such a paranoid view of the world should absolutely NOT be president. If Obama's becomes president in all probability, the United States is doomed as a country. Wake up America before it is too late.

I would like to know how many Hillary Clinton supporters vs. BO supporters, voted for Bush.

Obama sat in that church for 20 years, and he knew this man was spouting this hate for America and he never left. I would have never went back after he made the crack about 911.

A pastor has the rght to have his own views, but if America will let down Obama for his ex pastor's positions, then America is losing the opportunity to win, to change Bush's policies and wrong decisions.

That's it, let's distract from the matter at hand, because THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR IT.

20 years sitting there means you LOVED IT. Period. 20 years sitting there clapping and swaying to the music means you loved it. 20 years sitting there donating $500 a week to the kitty means you support it.

And to ask for tax records, or bring up someone elses past DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT OBAMA'S JUDGEMENT.

It just tries to change the subject. And its pathetic.

She is ahead of Obama by 20 pts in Pennsylvannia as of yesterday.

AND on Fox News, Obama's campaign manager said that Obama is going to focus more on other states as PA is an uphill battle.

Meaning - he has already conceded yet ANOTHER blue state that he can't win?

Who cares if you have someone that wins all November Red States, by caucuses where Republicans can vote? Even Obama has said, look at the Republicans voting for me, just look!

That is because they want the weakest fish in the pond. And I know and you know how much they fall for the flag waving, patriotic rhetoric. You know this, their defense of that sickening Confederate Flag they love so much, PROVES that there is NO WAY Obama is going to win a Red State, no way. And this Wright thing will run day and night to make sure.

But if you can tolerate me for a second, I can produce a few numbers to show you that Obama almost certainly is not going to win a general. Remember those polls that had Obama up by 10 on the day of California and up by 7 in Massachusett? Remember he was up by 19 in N.H?

He lost California by 15, thats a swing of 20 pts that they overestimated for him.

He lost Massachusetts by 11 pts, thats an overestimation for him of 18 pts.

He lost New Hampshire by 3 pts, thats an overestimation of 22 pts for him.

Now, it takes about 34,000,000 votes to win the General Election.

Now, 45% of Hillary supporters said they will not vote for Obama most likely (26% NO WAY). She has 14,000,000 votes just about. That means Obama loses about 6,000,000 votes.

Nadar draws about 8% (of 70M) and that is about 5,600,000 he loses there.

Independents make up about 11,000,000 and let's give him 50%, that means Obama loses 5,500,000 there.

Add that up - that's starting OFF down 17,000,000 votes. That is 50% already there for McCain without even starting!

Then think of how many Democrats will side with McCain that haven't chosen yet?

You only need 34M to win and McCain will have already 17.1M to start.

So how does Obama win?

Rev. Wright conveniently retired. He's conveniently out of the country. Who put his retirement package together? Who's paying it? With his expensive taste in luxury cars, I doubt he plans to make do on the typical preacher's retirement package.

Did Senator Obama miss each and every sermon that Rev. Wright spoke unfavorably about America, whites, Jews, etc.? Seems like a mathematical impossibility to me over the course of 20 years.

Does Senator Obama really think the American people are so foolish to believe that and we should simply set this aside?

NOW WE WANT ISSUES?

Ferraro? South Carolina Clinton? Race Baiting Since Day One?

Now we want issues?

We have tons of them. Did you know that the Senate just assembled 111 Obama proposals into one bill and it was REJECTED 99-0? Did you know that? And did you know that many of those proposals Obama has been spouting during debates as proof of his judgement? Did you know that?

AND DID YOU KNOW THAT HE VOTED AGAINST IT TOO?

Bet you didn't know that, cause if you did, you couldn't explain it very well, could you?

99-0 against the judgement and plans of Barack Obama - March, 2008.

I guess he really CAN unite both parties when its needed, in order to save America.

:)

The problem Mr. Obama is that we don't know what you believe in. We do know that your wife has never been proud of her country and I think many of us now get it that she found support for her negative views of our country from your pastor of 20 years. Please don't insult our intelligence. One of his harshest messages was delivered on Christmas Day of 2007!!! Christmas Day for heaven's sake. It seems he didn't take your admonishments to him very seriously. Who's in charge here?

You know that this has been around for awhile. Clinton just waited until Ferraro and then brought it out. I'm glad she used this one up. She is spending all of McCain's ammo ahead of time. This is what she said the McCain people had that they would bring out.
So now Wright is gone and it's time for Clinton to make another mistake or say something stupid. Then she will have to dig up something else. But the trouble is that we knew for months that the slime consisted of this church, the Muslim accusations and Revko. She has run out and we still have 5 weeks to go before Pennsylvania. She is in trouble now.

Obama on MSNBC said he was not at the service when the pastor was making those statements, so I think he feels that he should be apart from all this now.

It's time for Hillary-nation and not Obamanation!

Yes, he sat there for 20 years and Wright knew when Obama was there, even before he was famous and in government? He knew NOT to give those sermons right?

Rubbish. This is the second or third time he has been called out ONLY WHEN THE STORY LEAKS IN THE PRESS.

He hid Rezko until the Chicago Tribune forced him out.

He hid behind Wright and enjoyed ever service, so much so, he donates nearly $2,000 per month, to help spread the word.

And his wife's comments are EXACTLY in keeping with the spirit and the nature of Wright and what he and Farrahkan believe and have preached. It wasn't a slip of her tongue. It was a slip of her heart. She said it. She meant it. She'd say it again.

And anyone with a gut knows this is true.

Obama went back, week after week, to listen to this stuff for TWENTY years!!!! this isn't going away by kicking Wright off a committee. And taking your children to hear this is almost as bad as attending the madrasas he has been falsely accused of attending himself as a child.

Whatever. Next scandal. When can we get back to the issues.

Too little, too late.

No one will admit it, they have bought it all and that are not going to turn back. There is nothing that will come up to change some of them. Look at the Bush people. There are STILL 33% that think he is AWESOME and one of the greatest Presidents we have ever had. After all this destruction, wars, lies, fraud, and mortgage disasters - and he is still great.

Obama spent 20 years listening, considering, singing, clapping, and donating to this church. He is now going to try and lie, and say, well I never heard this type of talk. Well buddy, it was done on Sundays, often. They sell the DVDs in the Gift Shop, as of Today. The news interviewed some of the parishioners - and it is interesting - all of them said they didn't think Wright was wrong, radical, or should stop.

Again, no Jew would sit and listen to a sermon praising Hitler for his hate, and no Christian would sit and listen to the slamming of America, unless they had a grudge against their country. They stayed because they agreed with it. Plain and simple. For 20 years. They stayed because they agreed.

Goodness.....it is like talking to Zombies when you want to put some information into Obama supporters heads....

1. Bill Clinton is not running for President
2. Obama is a Lobbyist.
3. The only conspiracy that I see is the media and America-haters ganging up to promote a junk-head and liar...Obama

You know, if there was a WHITE minister in North Carolina screaming from his pulpit - following the murders of two white female students by two loser sociopaths who happen to be black - that all unemployed black men under the age of 25 should be rounded up, parishioners would be up in arms, fire the minister or failing that walk away from tht church.

Why does Obama think he can get away first by calling him "like an old uncle" and then (underestimating the furor that's resulted)denounce THOSE comments but not the man himself.

Tiffany Martinson and Vanessa

Open your eyes...Obama is caving....he is a Liar and a Lobbyist and Fat Cat at best...

I have one question-does everyone around you speak for you or represent you in everything they say? I know people around me do not share all my thoughts and views on things. We can have relationship with someone, but not always agree. I think this happened with Obama and we need to let it be. This man does not speak for him and this was long ago. It's dug up for media drama.

I would just like to say that this is troubling. Obama had this man for his man for his rev. for 20 years, and his credits Mr. Wright for bringing him obama to christianity. He married Senator and Mrs. Obama and baptized their two daughters. I have hear he held a prayer meeting with Mr. wright before he decided to run for president. After knowing this man for 20 years obama can not say he did not know this mans view's. He took the title of his book "the Audacity of Hope" from him. It is often said that one can tell a lot about a man by who he chooses to associate with. After hearing these remarks I must say I think that Senator Obama must have held at least some of these views himself or he would not have attended the church and donated money for 20 years nor would he have had this man Marry him and his wife or baptize his daughters.

This is not going to go away and I for one need to think about brcoming an independent. To think that Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, etc. could put us all in danger and not even care. I am over the democratic party.

Now Obama is telling Keith Olberman that he has his facts wrong about Rezko's money

Its up to almost 300,000 now.

But you see, every single person has it wrong, when quoting an Obama fact. No one, when confronted by Obama, has ever reported a story correctly.

And Obama just said he will only repudiate the Wright's words. But not the man. He still supports the man.
He didn't recall being in the pew, hearing Wright say these things. HAHAH!!! Do you think we are going to buy this?

Insane!

If he won't repudiate the man, then he believes in the man. And the only way to believe in the man to accept what he says as honorable and trustworthy. Otherwise, you wouldn't support the man.

He is toast.

I still feel his writers felt Americans are so stupid we would fall for his statement of like a crazy old uncle (PLEASE)

You guys have got to be kidding LOL Let's go back and look at some of the people that have pushed or contributed to the Clinton smear campaign shall we? Oh that's right she won't release her tax records so we can SEE who all those people are! LOL but hey if hiding your head and not dealing with the facts work for you...well o.k then LOL

Don't think his being an advisor to the campaign was THE issue.

No fix.

Like I said, how would this resolve the following issues:

1)How would this issue end the war?

2)How would this rude the cost of gas?

3)How would this improve health care?

4)How would this improve the mortgage crisis?

5)How would this improve the situation at the borders?

6)How would this cancel our budget deficits.
The fact is there are so many important issues I'll rather discuss than this old angry pastors problems. This is not a Jerry Springer Show.

Agreed. His action should have matched his words from the start. Too little, too late.

Again with the headline Jake...lol You're good.
This is kind of like closing the barn door after the horse got out. Too little, too late. Severe damage has been done to the Obama campaign.
I am pretty sure his advisers will make him "quit" his church any time now.
Obama's trust is broken. The American people will no longer be bamboozled