Aarathi
11-27-03, 01:48 PM
I could just be stupid or rules ignorant, but why does a melee based class have far shot and point blank shot as feat requirements?

would it not be more appropriate to have weapon finesse and maybe....dodge?


please enlighten me if i'm ignorant of something here

The Morninglord
11-27-03, 02:32 PM
Well, last time I checked, daggers could be thrown. The Invisible Blade uses the daggers for ranged attacks as well as melee.

Aarathi
11-27-03, 02:56 PM
I know they CAN be thrown...but the class seems to focus mainly on melee so I was saying why are they requirements? I can see they would help if you throw daggers but why is it a requirement?

Gate Crasher69
11-27-03, 07:21 PM
It's a way of protecting the rogue at lower levels, who don't have the hit points to go toe to toe with a comparable fighter. Plus at higher levels when the rogue gets returning daggers, they turn into machine guns.

Sneak Attacking machine guns :D

khyron1144
11-28-03, 01:12 AM
Someone else said that the original version had some missile abilities, so it made more sense.


This was actually from a thread bashing Dragon on the character optimization forum. I didn't see it myself; it was just something said by someone who claims to have corresponded with the author.

The Morninglord
11-28-03, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by khyron1144
Someone else said that the original version had some missile abilities, so it made more sense.

Nope, the version in Dragon 303 (assuming you mean that version) has no special ranged abilities.

The reason why ranged feats are a requirement is, I guess, because the Invisible Blade should be better able to use the daggers as thrown weapons (by doubling their range), and the Point Blank Shot feat is a requirement for the Far Shot feat. Remember that this class is supposed to only fight with daggers, and most adventurers (should) carry a ranged weapon as well as a melee weapon.

khyron1144
11-28-03, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by The Morninglord
Nope, the version in Dragon 303 (assuming you mean that version) has no special ranged abilities.

The reason why ranged feats are a requirement is, I guess, because the Invisible Blade should be better able to use the daggers as thrown weapons (by doubling their range), and the Point Blank Shot feat is a requirement for the Far Shot feat. Remember that this class is supposed to only fight with daggers, and most adventurers (should) carry a ranged weapon as well as a melee weapon.




By orginal version, I meant the author's first draft before the Dragon editors got to it.

Sonofapreacherman
11-28-03, 06:00 PM
And that author would be me.

:)

I've been getting a few e-mails lately asking about the prerequisites for the Invisible Blade and the original 10-level version. Suffice to say, I will post fully updated 3.5 versions of all my prestige classes -- Invisible Blade, Occult Slayer, and Reaping Mauler -- on these boards in PDF format (the moment after I finish them).

I was going to wait until a "Complete Warrior" forum was created, but I am not sure one is forthcoming. Perhaps in a few more days...

We'll see if I can't finish the PDFs before then.

Talk soon and thanks to everybody who e-mailed me for taking an interest. It's very gratifying.

Kolja

Sonofapreacherman
12-01-03, 01:07 PM
I just posted this explanation in another thread, but I thought it might be better served here, as per the title of this thread.

The 5-level invisible blade that first appeared in Dragon (and then recently in The Complete Warrior) was edited down from my original 10-level progression. The abilities and text are the same, but there were some additional dagger throwing abilities built into the prestige class (to round it out).

The editors at Dragon had asked me to change the invisible blade prerequisites to reflect their ranged-based abilities, but when they later changed the invisible blade into a 5-level prestige class (and removed the dagger throwing abilities), they likely forgot to change the prerequisites as well.

To use the printed version of the invisible blade as is, simply change the prerequisites feats to:

Weapon Focus (dagger, kukri, or punching dagger) and Weapon Finesse.

I hope that helps.

Kulland
12-02-03, 12:30 PM
That makes a lot more sense seeing as you can't even throw a punching dagger or a kukri.

The Morninglord
12-02-03, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Sonofapreacherman
The 5-level invisible blade that first appeared in Dragon (and then recently in The Complete Warrior) was edited down from my original 10-level progression.

Could you give us the progression of the last 5 levels as well, or is the PrC so different you can't just stack the levels on top?

*starts playing christmas music*

Sonofapreacherman
12-02-03, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by The Morninglord
Could you give us the progression of the last 5 levels as well, or is the PrC so different you can't just stack the levels on top?

*starts playing christmas music*

I will post the entire 10-level invisible blade soon. Look for it in the next 24 hours.

:)

*Sonofapreacherman tries desperately to get jingle bells out of his head.*

Sonofapreacherman
12-03-03, 02:14 AM
Alright, it appears I can't upload files to this message board. So if anybody wants an updated 3.5 version of the 10-level invisible blade, feel free to send me an e-mail by clicking here (sonofapreacherman@telus.net) and will reply to you with a PDF attachment. Sound good?

JybraEel
12-04-03, 04:58 PM
I just got my 10 lvl pdf and it is VERY nice.

Sonofapreacherman
12-05-03, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by JybraEel
I just got my 10 lvl pdf and it is VERY nice. Thanks for the feedback.

Now if I can only get people to believe that no money was exchanged in this transaction ...

:)

Sonofapreacherman
02-10-04, 01:37 PM
Hello all.

This is a repeat post from another thread, but as some of you have surmised, I've been getting a lot requests for the original 10-level invisible blade prestige class. Now while I still enjoy responding to your E-mails individually, I recently launced a web site and message board that you can also visit (as per my signature at the bottom of this post). To reach the prestige class section directly, however, simply click on the link below...

The Waking Lands (Prestige Classes) (http://www.wakinglands.com/htm_files/the_prestige_classes_page.htm)

...where you can download the latest updates of my PDFs at your leisure.

Enjoy.

—Kolja

GrolubFranco
03-26-04, 01:02 PM
It´s a very interesting post, but even the pdf in your site has the PBS has a pre-requisite... Wasn´t just the weapon finesse and the weapon focus(Dagger) required?

GrolubFranco
03-26-04, 01:15 PM
This isn´t a wizards official errata so... It was good that in Player´s guide to faerun they would change it

ZombieTonyBlair
03-26-04, 02:02 PM
I like the 5 level version more, just because I like getting feint as a free action at level 5 rather than 10, and the extreme throwing ability doesn't impress me that much. If the class has some way to get sneak attack with thrown weapons other than being invisible or catching them flat footed, I'd like it more. 5 levels of invisible blade and 5 levels of master thrower seem to be a better way to accomplish the goal of being good at melee and range with daggers than the 10 level progression.

I also like 5 level prestige classes more than 10 levels in general because when you're playing the character, it's more fun not to have to wait so long for the best abilities.