Usenet Improvement Project

The Problem -
And The Solution

What Is The Project?
Underlying Issue
Other Voices A G-Grouper Is Born
Gmail - A Warning
Filters Other Stuff

Other Voices From Around The Net

Dan C finally acts:

Well, I resisted as long as I could. I kept receiving the spam and garbage posted by Google Gropers here on Usenet, far longer than was wise, largely for the entertainment value of some of the moronic posters. But as of today, I can't take it any more. All GG posts are now filtered out. Thanks to Blinky for leading this revolution. One day nobody will be left to read their drivel, except the other drooling Gropers.

Sure are a lot fewer posts to wade through! Long live the UIP!

sittingduck's observation on GG:

They are obviously more interested in letting any idiot with a keyboard clutter up usenet, than actually providing a service for those that would benefit from it.

And adds:

Thank you for raising awareness, and creating the UIP. :)

To Dan C and sittingduck: We do what we can. Thanks for noticing. Enjoy.

Geoff Realname makes his world better:

First day of using Hamster with Thunderbird: complete newb here, but following your directions (on UIP) removed 30 spam posts. I believe in heaven, but when I get there it may only be a little bit better than this. :)

William Poaster assesses the situation:

Googlegroups is a sewer. Blinky isn't the only one blocking it.

Most of the time I spend in GNU/linux mailing lists, no trolls, no spam. I lurk in Usenet groups from time to time, & blocking googlegroups has somewhat improved reading the groups.

James E. Morrow comes aboard:

Great site Blinky. Keep up the good work. I just killed 54 Google posts. The slaughter continues unabated.

Leonard Blaisdell is awakened by the roar of GG spam once too often:

I finally followed your advice. I used to argue against it, but a hundred thousand whacks over the head convinced me. I'm now googlegroups free thanks to the recent spate of crap. Enlightenment comes hard for me.

XS11E on The Project:

I've finally had to join the Usenet Improvement Project, it took me a very long time to do so but I finally became convinced yesterday. I've been analyzing posts from GG and have to agree the percent that contain useful info is way too small to worry about.

I've had to refer people in other newsgroups to the Usenet Improvement Project so often that I finally had to add Blinkynet to my bookmarks/favorites.

He adds, later:

I can say that spam has ceased to appear in several groups now that I joined the UIP.

The reason I joined is that in many of the groups I frequent ALL the spam showed GG headers, that convinced me and the results are even more convincing.

Tony Sivori does some cleaning up:

Well, Mr Shark, I took your advice. I recently added all posts from to my filters, in every group that I read. The stench from the damn googlegroups sewer is just too much. Usenet is better off without google.

More on Eternal September, from Harold Stevens:

I didn't think anyone could top the annual autumn spewage when college classes resumed--then along came the AOL/WebTV crowd. They're now morphing into GoogleGropers, like some biblical sequence of plagues.

In fact, when AOHell dropped Usenet, they emailed their clueless users and suggested that they start using Google Groups.

Bergamot's insightful evaluation:

Google groups is the worst thing that has ever happened to Usenet.

Hey, here's the voice OF a Google Grouper:

hello buddy !!! how r u ?? Y u all r here ?? hmmmmmmmm ?? to give salutions of troubleshooting ??? .. well so i m facing a troubleshooting ...OPTICAL MOUSE NT WORKING ON WOODDEN COMPUTER TABLE .. BUT ITS WORKING ON SOFT SURFACE ,, LIKE A PIECE OF CLOTH .. OR MOUSE PAD


Now, how did THAT get in here? :)

Magus observes:

An ungodly large number of numbskulls use google groups and think they're posting to "Google Groups" when they're posting to USENET.

Pepi discovers the Usenet Improvement Project:

A sound idea! Effective immediately. :-)

Ohmster* paints the picture:

Some serious Usenet contributors tend to frown on Google posters. It is felt by some that if you cannot install and use "a real news reader" then you are unlikely to abide by Usenet netiquette, will probably ask for an email reply, will top post, will multi post, and are the least likely to contribute anything to the newsgroup. By "contribute", the very least of which means to post a followup to the newsgroup to tell the responder, whether or not his advice actually "helped" you or not. This is very important to the scads of others that will be viewing your post and are waiting for a reply. Google posters tend to "hit and run" in that they come here for answers and are gone, they don't stick around to see the final threads or to help anyone else. Many of the serious "helpers" in the Usenet newsgroups actually set filters to block Google posts.

*Resistance is futile.

This voice belongs to Ben Shimmin:

I've been killing everything posted with GG for about a year now, and everything posted with Outlook for well over two years. Perhaps I miss the odd good post now and again, but, on the whole, this has seriously improved my usenet experience.

I'm not just talking about poorly-formatted news articles, either -- I genuinely find that people who use Outlook or GG have little to say which is of interest to me. Particularly with GG, people just seem to turn up, ask a question, and then disappear. That's not cricket. With Outlook, they just seem to post unintelligible guff.

We don't filter Outlook/OutlookExpress, but we've certainly seen others besides Ben doing so.

Karl Groves reports his experience:

Blinky's advice to automatically filter out posts from googlegroups has worked swimmingly for me. I hardly see any spam or kooks on aww now.

Thinking about removing your GG filter? Looks like William Poaster tried:

Deleting the googlegroups filter is like opening a manhole cover on a sewer. While it's in place, it's fine, but if you remove it, you get a terrible stench.