I guess Chelsea fans feel the need to try and trash a beautiful city like London because you wouldn't be allowed in Moscow.

dachaidh, rhu, scotland

I guess Rangers fans feel the need to try and trash a beautiful city like Manchester because you wouldn't notice if they did it in Glasgow.

Louise , London , UK

Why are the people of Manchester being punished for something 200 Glaswegians did?
It's not fair. Alot of the pubs near the triangle in manchester rely on the screen games for business.

dee, macclesfield, england

Why has this debate turned from the condemnation of some violent thugs to the condemnation of a whole nation? To the Scots - shame on you. To fans of Rangers FC - shame on you. To the 99,500 fans who had a good time and did no wrong - shame on you. Are you serious????? And yes I'm a Scot.

Gayl, Falkirk, Scotland

Can I just point out that 90,000 English and Welsh fans gathered in London on Saturday, many drinking all day - and yet there was little or no trouble.

And 200,000 gathered in Portsmouth yesterday and once again not a hint of trouble.

Barry, Hampshire,

So fans of Utd who are not travelling without tickets are banned from thier own city due to fans travelling without tickets from another country. Theres logic for you!

N Bretherton, Chorley, England

So police punish the innocent by banning another screening, and Brown wants to stop people travelling freely within the country - how long till we have internal movement controls and have to prove due cause every time we travel? And no mention of the police violence which was worse than fans'.

Andy, Derby, UK

I am ashamed of the Scots who were involved in the riots and only hope that the police pursue these criminals by all means possible. They must not be allowed to escape justice.

lawrence, stirling, scotland

There's been a plethora of comments about the travelling Celtic support in England. As a Celtic fan myself I notice a trend of causing problems, albeit minor, in England contrasted with superb behaviour whilst abroad.

Well, at least we manage to get one half of it right

Andrew, Abu Dhabi,

i work for mcc and was on duty in piccadilly with the so called footy fans and never in my life have i witnessed blatant thuggery of that level. a technical problem with a t.v is no excuse for such violence, to those who say mcc could not handle such an event all i can say is commonwealth games.

bp, manchester, england

Being a season ticket holder at ibrox with my young daughter, going to all the games we have never experienced such heavy handed tactics by the police, this sort of behavior never happens amoungst the loyal rangers support. If you take a closer look at the footage the majority had no club colours on

gary walinck, Bo'ness, West Lothian

And London boroughs with delusions of grandeur and lots of behaviour problems of their own are seeking to put these screens up (perhaps 'live' 16 hrs a day), the first of them trying to do this being London Borough of Waltham Forest.

helen, London,

Was it the big screens per se, or the big screens that didn't work. Seems increasingly typical of Britain these days: total failure to deliver but instant condemnation when people react badly to the shambles. Scots are famous for their good-natured boisterousness, so something must have tipped them.

David Masu, Zürich,

Thanks Rangers. Now on Wednesday thousands of united fans are going to have to cram into pubs to watch the biggest game of the season thanks to you spoiling it in your mickey mouse cup.

I urge the Manchester council to reconsider leaving the big screens up for the Champions League Final.

Statoir, Birmingham,

Could someone please tell me the last time there was a major football match without trouble? Why are the organisers so naive - it is always a problem so why is there not a drastic rethink about the world of football and culture of (often premeditated) violence? Time to ban it for a while at least?

Sheena , Somerset,

I'm with John from Lincoln.

Michael, London, England

Doesn't look like a small number of fans from the video at the top!

chris, sheffield,

As a scottish person can i express my complete disgust at these scenes. scotland are not exatly renowned for their footballing prowess and they only thing we've had going for us at times was our sportsmanship and could take pride in being good fans.

what is left now?

S. H., Glasgow, U.K.

I agree get football out of the country, why do you not see Rugby supporters behaving like this....perhaps better educate the masses

david, Jersey,

why are we shocked that the scots rioted, it's no different from any other foreign country? And by the way i have seen Celtic being bad in Manchester and Bolton and they were both friendlies. They are not holier than thou as some of the posts here would claim.

Rob, Manchester, England

Why shud M'chester's+Celtic's reputation suffer? Its always a 'minority' but it happens in every country and its always football related. Passion is great but why cant football people -players and fans - behave?! No other sport on the planet has the problem+its Scotlands reputation which wil suffer

J Bravo, Edinburgh, Scotland

well as if the violence was not going to happen even if they did win it still would of happened.Maybe just on a smaller scale.

pinky, middlesbrough, england

They were NOT "Scottsih" fans or "British" fans. They were Rangers fans.

Pauline, Wishaw, Scotland

if it was an English club. They would be talking about banning all the English clubs.

john, London,

Banning football is a daft idea, lets be honest, and I personally don't like the game.
Besides, who's to say that the morons who caused this are genuine supporters and didnt just turn up to cause havoc.
Be grateful that no one lost their lives, and cancel open air football events!!

Will, Antrim,

Also just consider the amount of fans that were in the city that night..Its more than alot of political protests... And compare it to the crime statistics of a normal friday night...This is just a fact of youth culture all over britian....

Thomas, Armagh, Ireland

I beg to differ on the "don't criticise Celtic fans" as there was no trouble in Seville. I was in Seville and witnessed a few stabbings but it never got mentioned in the local press. Most of the people that cause trouble are not real supporters and probably could not afford to fly to Seville.

Sharon, Paisley, Scotland

They still here and still drinking!
None of them offering to clear up either - what a mess!
What were the MCC thinking about? No way were they prepared for an assualt on the city centre like this.
Rangers should get a two year ban from all UEFA competitions for this, plus the cleaning up bill

Peter, Manchester, UK

Time to embrace American Football, the civilized alternative!

Chandu, Washington DC, USA

The only response such thugs will understand is punishment against their club. If they riot, their club should be banned from ALL games for a set period. I suspect they would quickly learn to behave.

Andrew, Glasgow, UK

it is pretty sad that dangerous riots break out over a football match...are people so disenchanted with their lives that this is what they turn to? i'll stick to rugby thank you very much...its not full of classless overpaid lowlifes or supported by thugs.

Alex, London, England

The most sickening thing about the, indisputable, video are those two lads towards the end of it. I thought they were running in to help the policeman, on the groung & being kicked about by so many brave Rangers fans. But no, they were trying to join in. What brave hearts they had.

tom, london,

As see it, this is British Society today!! and it will get worse if nothing is done, a good start would be improve disipline and respect in schools, forget all the PC rubbish!!!

Patricia, DURHAM, DURHAM

Millwall weren't to blame this time....

belacqua, London,

That video is shocking. I agree with Chris, the police need better training for riot situations. Also, it seems they have very little power to stop rioters - if attacked, they should be able to use whatever force necessary(water gun,tear gas,rubber bullets..) These thugs need to be taught a lesson.

Matt, London,

There is a ban on alcohol consumption in glasgow in public places due to serious disorder and this is the reason,I see it all the time and its luck that their were no deaths reported

eddie, melbourne, australia

I went to Manchester with my daughters to treat them to a shopping trip for their birthday. There were grown men drunk, staggering and vomiting in the streets by 11 am. Not just a small minority either. It was pathetic to see adult males behaving so disgustingly. Like animals.

Sue, Sheffield, UK

Can anyone tell me one thing about football that outweighs all the negatives? It was so easy to see this coming, it's exasperating that the council encourages it..and then is disappointed when it happens.

Jess, notts,

Isn't it funny that Manchester city council is dominated by Labour beauracrats?This really says something about Labour councils (the few of them) across the land!I wouldn't be surprised if they thought that it's their HUMAN RIGHTS to act like animals.

Louis, Liverpool, England

Nice to see that excuses can be made for violence, TV not working, being removed from pubs early,not suffcient preparations made. the real loss is all the genuine fans who caused no trouble, the residents and the police officers who were injured.

jeff, Rotorua, New Zealand

I'm ashamed....of the police. Just try that in Moscow. No strategic foresight and far too soft with mobs who can't hold their drink.
Never mind, there'll be lots of important paper work to do now.

JH, Nantwich,

How can you legeslate for a technical failure to tv, plus, how can you legeslate for the fact that the technicians who were trying to repair the tv being attacks with bottles and cans.

If the there was no trouble they would have been applauded, applauded for what? Acting like normal human beings? Ridiculous! Football just attracts the dregs of society and 120,000 of them were in manchester on wednesday evening.

Have they ever heard of toilets in glaswegian tenaments?

John, Manchester, England

its seems to be the same over here whereby every saturday night a normally convivial population snorts a few lines and forgets their humanity. shame that of the 100000 who traveled a 1000 at most manage to put all to shame. problem is we give them an audience to play up in front of.

andrew, madrid, spain

I often wonder why the police arent allowed to use teargas from watercannons in cases like this.
We are becoming too soft and the thugs of this world know it.
They have seen the concequences or rather the lack of and beleive quite rightly that they can behave in any manner they like.

Steve Phillips, Perth, UK

we may be witnessing speciation along the lines of those who are hooked by 'footie' and those who are not.

certainly, 40 years of life has taught me that the former tend to be: shorter, less intelligent, less imaginative, less cooperative, and generally less desirable to have in any organisation.

melivin, london/vienna, uk/austria

Oleg - I've never attended a football match (or riot) in my life! As in all cultures there are bad parts, but maybe you should attend one of the many different (peaceful) sporting events we have over here before judging! Luckily, we won't take your bigotted and ignorant view to represent Canadians!

Gemma, Notts,

Cheers rangers fans for ruining what would have been a wonderful night next wednesday. you have ruined it for the manchester united fans. i say let alex salmond have his independence and remove the scottish leach from the englismens back.

William, manchester,

I was living in London in 1999 and missed the party, now I'm living in Manchester and If Man Utd win I'll be missing it again as there will be no big screens because of the trouble caused and because we are a society that will find any excuse to say no!

Kathy, Altrincham, Cheshire

I feel sorry for those United fans who now, cannot celebrate a night to remember for their team on the streets of THEIR city, because of fools unrelated to Manchester.

Kieran, London,

At least the Tartan Army will be unaffected by the scenes in Manchester. The Saltire was nowhere to be seen so most of Europe will probably associate Rangers with England.
what's the problem with Manchester not putting up screens for the Champions League final?Don't Man U fans live in Essex?

Sean, Edinburgh, Lothian

Can I express my regret as a rangers fan who travelled to manchester at the outcome of events, however many of the tv images released by the english media before all investigations have been carried out are very selective and somewhat biased to say the least. I think a few retractions will be made!

M.Heatley, Irvine, Scotland

Despite forecasts, the Council simply weren't prepared for the number of fans. Aside from the screen (why no backup link), one train ran to Preston/Blackpool after the game. Light touch policing involved closing the pubs and encouraging fans to queue for cheap supermarket beer. Utter disorganisation

Steve-o, Scotland, Scotland

I want to apologize to Manchester on behalf of Scotland. As a Scot I am embarrassed by these events. Rangers are hated in Scotland for their ignorance and bigotry. These are the fans who gave nazi salutes at a game in Israel. Its no surprise that the BNP regularly recruit outside Ibrox. Ban the Gers

C Findlay, Inverness,

Ban alcohol at football events and the problem of hooliganism will be sorted...

Jubril , London, United Kindgdom

I live in Scotland. The media here commented last week about how little Manchester had done to welcome Rangers fans to the city. I fully undertood the nervousness of the authorities in Manchester and it it such a shame that when generous hospitality was offered it was subject to such abuse.

Ian, Edinburgh,

Invite thousands of Scots to your city, give them unlimited alcohol, then make a massive technical cock up so that none of them can watch the most important match they'll ever see. No wonder some of them were angry. This has nothing to do with football hooliganism, it was just a poorly planned event

TP, London,

Squire Can I please point out that the vast majority of Rangers supporters do not want to be associated with these holligans either and are disgusted at the behaviour of these so-called supporters who give the club a bad reputation. .

Jane, Glasgow,

It is absolutely disgusting that this is allowed to happen. These individuals should be caught and publicly named and shamed.

All costs incurred by the police and other emergency services as well as the City of Manchester should be recovered from the hooligans and not us tax payers.

BL, London,

I've just seen the video attached to this article. It's difficult to put into words how sad it is to see people act in such a way.

Tom, Truro, UK

After Boro lost in the UEFA Cup Final a couple of years ago, the police priased the behavior of both Boro & Seville fans. I believe there was only a couple of arrests for drunkeness. This wasn't widely reported at the time, the media appear to only been interested when things kick-off?

Mike, Middlesbrough,

Can't belive celtic fans are getting so high and mighty about this. Any english city or town that has hosted their team in a friendly knows exactly what they are about. Having hosted celtic twice and rangers once in newcastle in recent years, rangers brought more fans yet were 100% better behaved.

Martin, Newcastle ,

Not all those who drink alcohol commit violence - in fact loads of them don't. Not all those who watch/follow football commit violence - again load s of them don't. When are we going to stop blaming alcohol/football and whatever else gives people some kind of 'excuse' for their behaviour?

R Wells, London,

UEFA set the precedent. Ban Rangers from competing in Europe.

Ian Jones, Reading, Berkshire

The behaviour of a minority of Rangers fans in Manchester last night has nothing to do with the Tartan Army, who are a credit to Scotland on their travels supporting the national team. I feel sorry for the 1000s of decent Rangers fans who must be embarrassed at being associated with these thugs.

Jen, Florence, Italy

I object to having all Scottish football supporters being tarnished with the same brush as these low life.

martin, Aberdeen,

Hadrian had the right idea!

Anthony, Manchester, England

I was in Manchester last weekend and most people were dreading having 100,000 Rangers fans in the city centre.

I understood why.

None of this is of any surprise to me.

Jon Leigh, Safely out of it in rural, France

To those who state scottish teams should be banned from european football i think this is unfair, Im a celtic fan and our fans have been rewarded by uefa for our conduct when travelling, also motherwell who are set for european football this year have a brilliant support, this is a rangers problem!

Stephen, Glasgow, Scotland

I worked in Northern Ireland and know full well that the British forces have the capability to put down a riot if they want to.
The FA organizes these events, make them responsible for any costs incurred.

James, Muskegon/Kilkenny, USA/Ireland

I think its very unfair to deny Manchester United supporters the chance to watch their team on the big screen because of a few hundred yobs.
Part of the blame must lie with both the police and the city council who allowed this sort of behaviour all day urinating wherever and causing havock.

St.Clair, Manchester, Greater Manchester

The council should have put the screens up in Hulme and Moss sideand let's see if anyone dared causing any trouble!!
These cowards only cause trouble because they know they can and they hide behind all the other, drunk but still well-behaving, people. Typical frustrated chavs!

Alex, Manchester, UK

With just a litte more thought to the cleaning as we go process and much more thought to how you cope with over 100,000 people who have been drinking for over 10 hours it could have been a fantastic day. Don't ban the next match, just improve the process move forward and find a way to make it work.

Jo, London, UK

football is just a bad sport...it promotes excessive drinking, yob behaviour, provides poor overpaid role models, and to top it off is incredibley boring. 50,000 people just died in China from an earthquake and these people beat police because they can't watch a football match...disgusting

Thomas, London, England

I think that some of the comments on here are disgusting, i am a rangers fan and i cant condone any of the goings on by some of the fans at manchester however if would do good to remember that it wasnt all of the fans, ,most of us are appalled and wouldnt dream of causing any trouble.

Ash, Glasgow,

also, im very sad to see people have taking this as an oppertuinty to make this into a race row between scottish and english? we should be turning against these mindless few fans not against eachother. by making comments like people have your just as bad as those who participated in the violence

Ash, Glasgow,

Time has come to declare independence from Scotland. We are under their domination. We have a Scottish Prime Minister, we have no parliament , their MPs can vote on purely English matters, while we cant have a say on Scottish matters. Parliament is in London, but we are a quasi Scottish colony.

Katie Palmer, Manchester, England

Animals ...what more is there to say? What kind of people behave like this and can go home and sleep at night?

Max, London,

I have just watched the footage openmouthed. Oh my God, is all I can say! Do these 'men' really think they are men? What possessed them to act in such a barbaric manner? Disgusting. I hope the courts treat with garvity and appropriate sentences are metted out along with some sort of football ban.

kim, london,

Okay then, how about increasing the age limit for drinking alcohol to 45 ?

Mohammed, London, UK

M.R

Who's city is this yout talking about? Stockport?

There were possible mistakes by the council and police but that doesn't excuse attacking the emergency services and behaving as they did.

Gareth, Manchester , Mcr

Unfortunately Rangers attract a sizeable minority of intolerant, extreme right wing bigots. One fact - 80,000 Celtic (not all angels) fans in Seville - no arrests.

Sean, Glasgow,

Mancunians will not be able to watch the match next week due to the impact of the violence. Another example of the Scots ability to influence English law!!

We should not be punished for this behaviour. We need to insist that we should be able to watch the match and enjoy the Utd homecoming.

Lee, Manchester, UK

Oh how easy for those to comment and judge without actually being there. Why did riot police show up before there was any trouble and why did the big screen mysteriously cut out at the same time... Also English hooligans were thought to be part of the violence so I wouldn't judge the Scots just yet

Elena, Glasgow,

I think that Scottish clubs should now be banned from all European competitions for a minimum of two seasons. This was a deliberate attempt to cause violence in England.

The attempted murder of a policeman in another European country (England) should not go unpunished.

Katie Palmer, Manchester, England

Well, one good thing has come out of this. No more big-screen football rubbish in the city centre! Hurrah!

M.R., Stockport,

I think a European cups ban should be placed on Scottish football clubs. Let them know what its like. As for the 'old firm' joining the EPL - forget it. You're not good enough. Anyhow, if any of you hadn't noticed there is a queue of hundreds of English clubs waiting to join the EPL.

matt, Blackburn, England

I thoroughly enjoyed Manchester, not witnessing the distressing scenes. I cringe at the thought of calling these morons 'fans' of my club. Poor planning and woeful police management were still the root cause, of such carnage not since the IRA bombing, still a raw memory for some. Heads must roll.

John, Hallein, Austria

Fine them the cost of policing, cleaning up and compensation, which is footed by the City of Manchester. Ban them from European football for a decade and dock them 20 points in their domestic league. See if they dare do it again. And i do remember Celtic fans rioting in Boro a lot of years ago

Chris, Middlesbrough,

The sweeping generalisations about Rangers fans, Scottish football fans, English football fans, Celtic fans, football fans (the list goes on) on this forum is simply laughable. The level of one upmanship and ignorance on display is at best laughable

Andrew, Edinburgh,

Disgusting! This is really about the Scots hating the English and causing havoc in England. Would they have done the same in Glasgow or Edinburgh? I think not. And Mr Leese, the footage shows thousands attacking English police, not a mere handfull. Have another look at the evidence.

Dorotheen Strass, London,

I was really horrified by the racist/sectarian chanting by many fans on Wednesday (NOT a minority I'm sorry to say). I also saw a young student get headbutted in a pub (by a thug old enough to be his father) for cheering the Zenit goal - nowhere near the city centre. Despicable behaviour.

Em, Manchester, UK

first of all im dissapointed that people are bringing us celtic fans down with this, we were not in manchester so why tarnish the good reputation of our club. and for the phil of newcastle (must be newcastle fan) my club could easily finish top 6/7 in the epl unlike your own club.

patrick , glasgow,

that looks like the race riots that occured in LA except the black people had a point. has this country gone so downhill that people would riot and attack a policeman over, say it with me now, FOOTBALL?!

it encourages binge drinking, violence, and hardly provides good role models for youth.

James, London, England

Can't watch Man United beat Chelsea in CLF on the big screens now. Thanks very much Gers...

Rob, Manchester,

Phil of Newcastle..Why would you want Celtic/Rangers diluting the English league anyway.? Both sides are poor and would on current performance finish in the middle of the table at the very most. The Jocks used to have such fire and passion in their bellys. Not anymore.

kirk, Rotherham, UK

why are we all subjected to this football nonsense. it is stupid boring game played by overpaid posers and supported by primitave louts. city centres are not appropriate places to host such events. keep them away from normal people.

John, Lincoln,

I think people just get too caught up in the exhiliration and thrill of it all. That poor policeman in the video who lost his colleagues and was then attacked by 50 people. I'm sure (hope) individually many of them would feel regret about what they did but at the time the group frenzy takes over.

Tracy, London,

All these comments about 'well behaved' Celtic fans make me laugh! I was in Manchester when these lovely people visited us for their CL match a few years ago, you can't fool me with your lies! Pro-IRA and racist Anti-English songs were being sung along with ones about the IRA Manchester Bomb.

J Roberts, Manchester, UK

John,
I also saw a policeman fall over and 50 people charge (while he was on the ground) to beat him. If this happened in Russia or the U.S. the rioters would be hit with tear gas and water cannons and to be honest there would be no apologies. They deserve everything they got.

Alex, London, England

Mohammed

The Guys who Tried to blow up glasgow airport were not drunk and the same for the london bomber's you should look to yourself and your imans who preach violence before stating a single fault for a crime committed by a bunch of retards
even sober Ranger's fans will let down Scotland

Micky, Dubai,

I've never understood why our riot police don't have tear gas, water cannons and rubber bullet.s Give the rioters a dam good hiding and show them they aren't as tough as they think they are!

Luke, London, UK

Why should football be allowed to take over city centers. Why not use open spaces away from alcohol then we would see true supporters and not just yobs

Mike, Gravesend, England

I cannot beleive the amount of blatent bigotry & ignorance on this threat 'put back up hadrians wall' etc...are you serious? English football fan NEVER riot eh? My mates were in piccadily & said most of the rioters had english & n.irish accents without rfc shirts,this has been confirmed in the media

nick, Glasgow,

Surely the fact that the game was in England meant that some Gers "fans", who might otherwise have been subjected to a foreign travel ban, were able to come down to Manchester, get drunk and cause a ruck.

Mark, Manchester, UK

Don't know what they showed in Britain. Here in central Europe BBC World news mentioned only the game with a fleeting reference to the "misbehaviour". Russian television however, showed the violence in all its ugliness. And to suggest that it was a "minority" is simply a mealy-mouthed lie.

P Murphy, Zilina, Slovakia

Surely anybody could see this was always going to be an excuse for thousands of scottish drunkards to go rampaging through an English city. Celtic and Rangers in the Premier League?...No thanks.

Phil, Newcastle, England

Conclusive proof that football (Association Football) should be banned forthwith, or at the least, the cost of policing it and the cost of inconvenience to everyone not involved, should be charged to the FA and the advertisers involved - to cover all the other social costs and dis-benefits involved.

Alan Scott, Draguignan, France

The big screens should have all been sited in Heaton park not in the city centre.

Mike, Manchester,

II was there and although i think the violent behaviour of a minority was disgusting, the violence used by fans was in response to unnecssary brutality used by GMP. I saw a man on the ground who was hit SEVEN times by a police baton, a tad eccessive, fans will only resond to this treatment one way.

John, Glasgow, UK

Amazing number of comments from Celtic fans looking to take a kick at Rangers. Yes the behaviour of some Rangers fans in Manchester was bad but so is the behaviour of drunk fans all over the world on occasion. Don't penalise all Rangers fans for the actions of a few. Btw, I'm not a Rangers fan

John, London, England

I think governments quite like having a large sector of their populations poorly educated, easily led, and incapable of expressing themselves in any meaningful way. This, however, is just one of the unpleasant side effects.

In all honestly I actually feel quite sorry for the hooligans; what a sad sad life if that's your only outlet.

Jonathan, Auckland, New Zealand

how can his co-workers help him, to endanger themselves would break health and safety laws. never forget it's 'health and safety' that rules supreme.

peter jones, moscow,

Having experienced fans of both Celtic and Rangers here in Manchester, I can absolutely confirm that Celtic fans are WORSE. The same drunken abusive behaviour, but combined with horrendous IRA songs and gloating about the Manchester and Warrington bombs (the latter of which murdered 2 children).

Drew, Manchester,

In Mcr 8-6:30 yesterday. Horrendous scenes from 8am. I'm even more disgusted with the majority of my fellow posters, most of whom WEREN'T there. Minority? Rubbish. 100,000 is way too low - try 180,00. Never seen visitors to any other major event in city behave so shamefully. 'Gers fans? Deluded.

John Heath, Stockport, England

It would seem from the various videos that our poor POLICE force were under-equipped. (Why no WATERCANNONs ?)

Ring a bell? Army, Navy, AirForce, Prisons full?

Why weren't the batons out beating these idiots?

Cos we live in Tony/Gordon's poverty stricken nanny state !

Keith, Newcastle upon Tyne, England

"Oh, the Tartan Army! So, so proud.

alex, london, "

Why are some people dragging the Tartan Army into this? That was a football club NOT the national team. The Tartan Army have never caused any trouble, anywhere and have the best reputation of all travelling international support.

Graeme, Edinburgh,

Mohammed, you talk rubbish mate,'ban alcohol,problem solved'-? You're kidding yourself on or you haven't a clue. It's admirable muslims don't drink, but take it from someone who has to put up with these neds on a daily basis,alcohol doesnt help but many of these dafties would cause riots anyway.

N McArdle, Glasgow, Scotland

i think that they should put the big screen up as i am 14 and carnt remember the 99' finl so this is the boggest thing for me

reece, MANCHESTER, ENGLAND

I am embrassed at the state of our police these days. A police officer is getting attacked by an angry mob and his fellow co workers are not helping him. Maybe we should increase the fitness and training of the police force. So we see less of these over weight, useless police officers on the streets

Chris Whinham, Newcastle, England

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history"

Sonny, Singapore, Singapore

How many women were involved in the fights i wonder? especially with the so called rise in women commiting crimes.

Stephanie , London,

this is indicative of a much bigger problem in the UK and everyone knows it. the yob, the complete lack of respect for authority, chavs, teen gangs, excessive drinking...

it what other developed country to sports fans charge riot police because they couldn't watch a football match!? it is barbarian

Alex, London, England

The people leaving comments here that think this was an attack of the Scots against the English are completely wrong. Please don't tar all the Scots with the same brush it just shows ur ignorance we're not all a bunch of drunken thugs and we don't all support Rangers. Rangers "fans" Scotland's shame

Niamh, North Lanarkshire,

Can we please leave the Muslims out of this thread. We are talking about the mindless Rangers "Fans" here.

Niamh, North Lanarkshire,

Whenever I hear from British people that us Balkans are wild and crazy I start laughing! Every time I had a chance to be around the young British people I had a feeling that I am back to the Middle Ages, it was unbeliavable! Lots of alcohol, noise, problems, etc. It`s just a sport for God`s sake!

Tito, Belgrade, Serbia

The absolutely disgusting scenes from last night are indefensible but it should be noted that 199,000 people managed to behave themselves throughout.

Dick, Kilmacolm,

Rangers fans have had no arrests at all in 8 previous euro away ties which would suggest that it is the dregs of society jumping on the bandwagon who have caused the problems rather than the true and loyal fans

Dick, Kilmacolm,

English fans are not all thugs. Have people forgotten the stabbed Leeds fans, riots nearly derailing Serie A, racism unchecked in Spain & Eastern Europe. Seems we pay the price for our police not baton-charging fans unprovoked. All countries have them but we've learnt and are trying to stamp it out.

Neil Virani, Georgetown via Wilmslow, Cayman Islands

Mohammed - What about all the other problems muslims are causing in Britain? Thats obviously not alcohol related.. or is it?

The vast majority drink responsibly, and I think you realise that - so why the ridiculous comment which would offend the vasy majority of Britain?

Sadat, Cheshire, UK

Scottish (or rather, celtic, small "c") football fans are almost always portrayed by the media as being the cheeky chappy types who like a drink, love a laugh, respect the local culture but wouldn't hurt a fly. How long will the media continue to peddle such rubbish?

Joe, Stourbridge, West Mids

i bet most of the people involved in these riots have never been to a rangers game before dont bring down all rangers fan because of what these people done, and the police say they were not ready for the ammount of rangers fans that were there, they were told how many were going !!

Robert, ayr,

I remember watching the BBC news at 8.30am in the morning and most of the fans were drinking. I said there and then there would be trouble. Beer - Sun - large mass of people = Trouble.

PJB, London,

Truly terrifying. I agree with John Mc. The yobs and neds in blue have revealed and disgraced themselves again. How many more times until someone is killed? Case closed!

Ian Mark, Yobfreezone,

oh if it were so easy as to say no alcohol and problem solved! er no because wherever you look in the sporting world youll see for example that fans in canada take apart city centers after ice hockey games, feyenoord fans attacking each other after cup win etc .....the media also love to lap it up!

ig, zurich, switzerland

the video above makes it seem like ALOT more than 42 fans were involved, it looks like hundreds of people charged police in riot gear. i am a rugby supporter myself and yes we like a drink while watching a game but i have never seen any kind of trouble EVER at a rugby match and everyone is drinking

Alex, London, England

and "Stuart, Doncaster, UK" i thank you for that comment very true why should rangers and scotland suffer for what happened and just because people were there doesnt mean they were scottish.

Robert, ayr,

I was in the middle of this violence and yes there was some idiots but most was police charging at anybody who got in the way ,also there was loads of man city fans dressed as rangers fans i know this because i met a large group of them in the town and they were all singing man city songs,

paul saywell, st.neots, cambs

I love it how everyone reacts so surprised to this sort of thing. The fact is this sort of thing is rife on a smaller scale day after day, and as soon as something a bit bigger happens everyone is surprised. People need to get real, this really is typical of britains youth at the moment.

Stevie W, norwich, england

David, London,

I think you'll find that these thugs think they are the epitome of Britishness... and they would in fact claim to have more of an affinity to England than Scotland, many of whom follow England abroad to further tarnish England's reputation..

Paul, Mountmellick, Ireland

To Adrian in Edinburgh

Hadrian had the right idea. He built a wall to keep us safe!

The sooner the "Union" is severed the better for England.

Long live Harry Hotspur !

Keith, Newcastle upon Tyne, England

Scottish independence anyone? You can keep your fans. Let's rebuild Hadrian's wall!

Edwin, Bucharest,

Why should we tolerate this behaviour form any one .All forms of violance against the police or the public need to be followed up by harsh penalties 5 years or more .Lets remove these people from society ,as for prisons being overcrowded you need no more than an electrified fence and some barracks .

Robert Fitzgerald, London,

Rich Matthews, Edinburgh-

What a ridiculous thing to say! Are you implying that ALL the people who were in Manchester&were affected by the selfish, drunken&completely unintelligent behaviour of the mob have at some point in thier lives been to a football match abroad and acted in the same way?!

Nina, Bristol, UK

Why should the police donning riot gear "inflame" the situation? Any normal person seeing a row of riot police would head swiftly in the opposite direction; as far as I'm concerned the morons who run up to riot police and spit and shout in their faces deserve everything they get.

Chris K, Cheltenham, UK

Britain in 2008 - very sad, infact tragic !!!!!

Ian Payne, WALSALL,

Admit it, us Muslims are right about not drinking alcohol ?
ban alcohol problem solved.

Mohammed, London, UK

Please report not in the general, but in the specific. It was fans of Rangers Football Club. It was not the collective of fans of Scotland. Not Celtic, not Aberdeen, not Hibs etc. Say it like it is. I feel badly that this happened in England, given they have no experience of this kind of thing.

john mc, Boston, USA

How long can this kind of madness go on before the government and the police grow a collective spine, re-introduce corporal punishment and in the face of such violence, bring out handguns? It works - I'm always reassured by the presence of the LAPD, who know who the bad guys are and don't back down.

Jeff, LA, USA

You can say good bye to Celtic or Rangers ever joining the Premiership

Ben, Harrow,

Perhaps the pubs and supermarkets should be forced to pay for the damage and the clean up, they certainly made a lot of money selling the booze that caused the problem.

Steve, Vancouver,

have friends who travel from madrid with celtic cos there is never trouble, problem is rangers have attracted a weird quasi english support that goes looking for and in event that it can't be found making trouble. isn´t a scottish problem but a wannabe english problem - why does no one like rangers

andrew, madrid, spain

koldo, basque country

I think your attitude is a little bit bigoted.

There is no Basque Country, there is only Spain - come on, come out, be Spanish, be proud!

Paul, Esher,

What a disgrace, football fans should be appalled. When will football wake up.

Greg West, Auckland, New Zealand

So now the world knows what we have to put up with in Glasgow so often. Life expectancy of 54, Soviet standards of housing, tribalism, knives and gang culture, no exercise, poor diet, drugs and chronic alcoholism. And yet we're locking people up for TV licenses and council tax and not building jails

McGinty, Glasgow, U.K.

The Romans were right all along, if Gordon Brown wants to save his job he should rebuild Hadrians Wall and keep his countrymen out of England. In fact go one better and stay up there himself!

Arthur Lager, Rome, Italy

tartan army? scottish fans?

how many saltires or lion rampants did you see? there were plenty of union flags and northern ireland flags. lets blame the british and northern irish.

rangers seem to want nothing to do with scotland, and most scots want nothing to do with rangers.

aljay, glasgow,

i said to my flatmate as soon as the game finished: there is going to be trouble. i just knew it. defeated scottish fans on english soil? it was inevitable they would trash the place. scotland is now a foreign country and its inhabitants have been encouraged in their grudge against the english

andy, st albans, uk

I see 'Scottish Conservatives are demanding an enquiry into the policing, claiming the decision to deploy riot police was an overreaction'.
Consider those pelted with objects while trying to fix the screen or those officers chased by gangs of yobs.
Get real please, you know where the blame lies.

Anthony, Leeds,

The only surprise is that anyone would still be surprised by the behavior of the Rangers thugs.

John Hayes, WOKING, UK

the problem is the football mentality that it is ok to turn up, get drunk, fight and blame mindless violence on being hammered. Anyone in cardiff for the rugby world cup quarter final would agree that the majority had been drinking all day and the atmosphere was friendly, sportsmanly and peaceful.

leo, bristol,

If you don't have a ticket why travel? Are they not able to have a drink in their local pub and watch the game? I was in manchester today. The place was in a right state and stank like a toilet. Rangers should be banned from european competitions. The fans were still acting like animals

Ryan, Preston, England

Thanks guys

We welcome you to our city and lay out the red carpet, and because a few of you decide to kick off, our council has cancelled the big screens for the champions league final. At least 400000 united fans have had their nights wrecked.
cheers rangers

ash, manchester, uk

Well done Rangers for giving the manc bizzies a lesson. Nice one lads.

Kevin Jennings, Liverpool,

absolute disgrace - very brave group of fans jumping on one police officer - well done, your parents must be proud. I will not resort to generalizing all Rangers fans as i am close friends to a few Rangers fans and they would never do such a thing.

steve, London, UK

I think those fans were all from Northern Irn.....judging by the flags on display.

M.I.Write, Irvine, Ayrshire

This is shocking!
Some people take sports too seriously. When humans have evolved one day, they'll be laughing at us for getting over £1 million for kicking a ball in a net and swearing at us for paying and fighting to watch them get millions.

jayil, london, uk

Wandering through Manchester yesterday it was patently clear that there were a large minority of Rangers fans looking for trouble.

Shame on those "fans" who acted more animals than people.

Natasha, Manchester,

Was the violence and general attitude of the fans due to the game or the location? I can't help feeling that the everyone would have behaved themselves impeccably if this had been hosted in Glasgow.

We all live on the best island in the world, let's start getting rid of those chips on shoulders

Andrew, London,

Manchester and England just had a taste of what many other cities and countries round the world had to suffer at the hands of british supporters. Hope it also ends the myth that foreign police forces were uncapable of dealing with them because their approach was either "too hard" or "too soft" .

amador cambra, birmingham, UK

Rangers fans were a disgrace last night. But the underlying problem is the drinking culture connected with watching football. Why can't you British watch a match without getting hammered on beer?

John, Lyon, France

Last nights trouble is no reason to cancel all further public screenings in Manchester.

It was not the people of Manchester rioting, yet we suffer the punishment due to Manchester councils naive greed letting 200,000 drunks rangers fans descend on us.
Fingers crossed they will lose the SPL too.

Mike, Manchester, UK

I'm only surprised that more innocent people were'nt hospitalised.Rangers fans are a disgrace.

Andy, Luton, England

For years Manchester's gay community has been told the annual Pride event must be ticket only (£18 now) and fenced in due to the bylaws relating to alcohol. Strangely the City Council can relax the rules for the UK's worst football fans. Who pays for the clean-up? Pride gets charged for that too.

Robert, Manchester, UK

I was working in a bar in Manchester on Wed, on my way to work at 9am, the fans were drunk on the bus with me on my commute.
From what I gather, police presence was not braced for action as they should have been.
In Manchester.. trouble was inevitable with such a weight of DRUNK, irritable fans.

Kate Gladwell, Manchester, England

Where were the Taser guns? These thugs have got to be dealt with. If a police force cannot control these thugs then football games will have to be played elsewhere - where the police have more control.

Des, Edinburgh,

Interesting to see the Scots Tories blaming the police for "inflaming" the situation. Presumably they'd also agree that deploying riot police against striking miners or poll tax protesters is similarly irresponsible? Or is this a teeny-weeny case of double standards as its Rangers involved?

Michael Powell, Colchester, UK

Its unfortunate that football fans of I would say any British club know that on occasions, large numbers of fans + lots of drink will result in some violence. Some clubs have better reputations than others, but I cannot think of a single club who can say they have have zero trouble.

Simon, London,

My brothers were both in Manchester. There was a complete lack of information for fans,with the chief constable trying to cover up their lack of control as well as and the assaults on Rangers fans and press. Cynically she releases "selective" footage.There were no arrests in last 9 euro games.

Alan, Newmarket, England

Why on earth don't the police use water canons like the French ?
A good doseing of cold water would do wonders .

GCjones, Ludlow,

was there last night and it was apparent that manchester city council totally underestimated the number of fans going to the city.also relaxing the drinking laws was a shocking move which allowed all day drinking.police were gr8 all day until the more threatening riot police got involved.poor show.

i gillies, glasgow, scotland

I live in central Manchester. I was sickened by the MAJORITY of Rangers fans who all appeared drunk. Hopefully some good old Manchester rain will wash the stench of Scotland from our streets. I suppose we should be grateful the standard of your football is so poor it wont happen again for 30 years

Roland Hammond, Manchester, ENGLAND

ban them from europe mindless thugs they do it every where they go

Jasper, Dumfries, Scotland

Mike Jones - I assume 'normal upstanding decent white folk' have never committed serious crimes or been involved in gang culture then? I see good old fashioned xenophobia still abides in this country. So much for a multicultured integrated society...

Phil, Manchester,

It may be a minority - but it's a substantial minority! And it's always football. It's nothing to do with Scots or English - it is just football. Cricket, rugby and other team games have passionate support without violence. Football players and managers also set a very poor example of behaviour

Rob, Arundel, England

David, Southampton.

I'll take the time to remind you of the time Celtic to 85,000 fans to Seville without one single arrest.

We won the FIFA Fair Play award for our conduct.

So please do not make that mistake - two completely diffreent sets of fans.

Dom , Glasgow,

Well, you'd be angry if you lived in Glasgow as well.....

Chris Hooper, Shrewsbury, Shropshire

Terrible what the Rangers hooligans have done to Manchester. Manchester accepted them with open arms and Rangers thugs threw it back in their face. They put Scotland to shame. They have nothing to do with the Tartan Army or Celtic. (But Celtic fans are just as bad in my opinion)

DMc, Glasgow, Scotland

Now the council has its excuse to cut back and not put the screens up again.

Thank you rangers.

Anyone else waiting for scottish independence? The day the scots need a visa to visit and work here I shall be laughing.

Rob, MANCHESTER, uk

It was embarrassing.Seeing over weight,drunken fools urinating against shop windows and wreaking the city yesterday.I was embarrassed of being British. Walking into town was like walking into the Apocalypse.These fans had no respect for our city and no respect for themselves!

Ed, Manchester, England

Who is surprised about the violence of the Rangers fans?

Some of who last year gave the so salled 'Red Hand Salute' in Israel i.e they seig-heiled openly and were caught on camera. Many more of who will chant vile sectarian chants at every opportunity. Ban them please.

rakesh sondhi, glasgow, uk

unfortunately with any group of people this size there will be a small percentage of idiots present...what's wrong with a midday kick of so these people can't spend all day drinking before the match?

Martin, Glasgow,

Dean, Southampton.

I'll remind you of the 2003 UEFA cup final in Seville, Celtic Vs. FC Porto.

Celtic took 85,000 fans to Seville without one single arrest, and the fans were awarded the FIFA Fair Play award for their behaviour.

Dom , Glasgow,

if rangers are to be banned from europe for 10 ys that same reasoning should be applied to the english national team. given their fans terrible behaviour at almost every football tournament in the last 20 years presumably they should be banned for the next 100 years?

lesley , edinburgh, scotland

Lets all be straight about on ething: Rangers, Celtic, United, City, or whoever. This would have happened with any large group of "supporters" after a full day of drinking and the TV screens fail. Look how the "fans" in Manchester and other cities behave when England are knocked out of the World cup

chris, Madrid,

perhaps oleg from canada should reflect that the fans were scottish, not british. after all, the scots are quick enough to disassociate themselves from the rest of us when it suits them!

david, london, england

Celtic fans had a plane diverted in 2003 due to trouble on board as well as having 26 arrests in Blackburn en route to the final. They're no angels either, despite what they'd have you believe. I condemn the behaviour myself, but I can't stand some of the hypocrisy being spouted from others.

Ross, Glasgow,

I get more and more ashamed to be Scottish these days. Mindless anti-Englishness - thats all we're about - we're a pathetic bunch of myopic, sanctimonious eejits, and as soon as we become independent I'm applying for English citizenship. Well done Rangers you ignorant boors. I hope you're disbanded.

Murray, London, England

Dean, Southhampton: I hope you are retract that statement. As has already been commented upon many times this morning; Celtic fans have a superb reputation for fairplay in Europe and domestically. Come to Glasgow and experience them for yourself before you tarnish us all with the same brush.

Jason, Glasgow, Scotland

I have read quite a few if these comments and a lot of them are sayin don't tar Scottish football fans with the same brush. All i can say is don't tar all Rangers fans with the same brush, out of probably 200,000 Rangers fans these mindless actions were only a very small minority. Idiots!

Ian, Renfrew, Scotland

Soccer Soccer Soccer Soccer NOT AGAIN!
Soccer Soccer Soccer Soccer NOT our national game
Only our NATIONAL SHAME!

gordon love, DEal, United Kingdom

While I don't suppose the rioting I can see how it happened and in part the council and local businesses who were selling alcohol from 8am are to blame.

On the other side maybe now the English can see how it feels to be on the other end of football hooligans when they go abroad

rich mathews, edinburgh, UK

Viewed the online video of the riot. Read the 110 posts onlilne concerning the riot. Why is this criminal behaviour tolerated? If this happened in the USA at a sporting event, the entire federation and both clubs would be held liable for personal injuries, death and resulting property damage.

Bill , Kokomo, USA

i think it was a disgraceful scene...these riots have ruined things for future games and it makes me sick.....beng a local in manchester i no how people felt when they were weary of how many scotts were coming.....i got verbal abuse just on the wy to my friends how and i dont think it is acceptale!

k pass, manchester,

To Koldo from the basque country, what has manchester united supporters going to moscow have to do with rangers supporters rioting on our streets ? are you supposing all brits to be hooligans ? if so are we to believe you to be a terrorist and everybody in the Basque regions to be members of ETA, ?

billy mac, manchester, uk

If a drug that had the effect of making people behave in a manner that’s considered ‘normal’ for football supporters were to appear on the market it would very soon be banned.

Howard Ryan, London,

Celtic fans have every right to sing thier songs, they are folk songs which are still poignant. Yesterday a BBC journalist asked the question to a young rangers fan "Are you protestant?" such attitudes by those who do not understand the heritage of Scottish football are not helpful, or wanted.

Jason, Glasgow, Scotland

I was one of the unfortunates who managed to get caught up in the Rangers fans that had been in Piccadilly Gardens.

What strikes me is that people are trying to pass this off as a small, minority but the general behaviour was terrible from most of the fans. The atmosphere was very uncomfortable.

Michael Dalton, Manchester, UK

I'm glad the Rangers fans were flying the Union Jack and not the Saltire, otherwise I would have been embarassed!

DAB, Tayside, Scotland

Dean, get over yourself. don't drag Celtic into this rather mirky affair, especially on a day that they have lost a truely great gentleman.
Shame on you.

Joe L, Dublin, Ireland

I cannot understand why the name of Celtic should even be entered into this conversation. On countless occassions our wonderful hoops have adorned streets of some of Europes finest cities and on every occassion we have come away from these cities with eternal friends and UEFA awards...

Jarlath, Derry, Ireland

I was there. Crowds uncontrollable. Supermarkets out of beer by noon. Police undermanned- unprepared for scale of media fabricated numbers. Back to Scotland at 3pm. Unsafe with lack of control. PS. MOST fans behaved impeccably- just a few morons as usual. Police excellent but organisation poor.

Bob Wyper, Kilmarnock, UK

'a total of 52 assaults were recorded' from 100,000 plus fans; how many assaults are recorded on a typical saturday night in manchester?
i think this is being blown out of all proportion.

james, doncaster, uk

What's new? When Scotland played England in Blackburn in the late 19th century the newspaper accounts were full of stories of the drunken Scottish hordes who descended upon the town. When will football supporters realise there's no link between alcohol and machismo - only a link to bad health!

colin ward, Blackburn, Lancs

I've always felt they should forget about the football and just put all the supporters in a field and let them kill each other.

Thalia, London,

The violence surrounding last night's game was shameful and inexcusable, but lets get a sense of perspective here: both Rangers and Celtic have supporters whose behaviour leaves a lot to be desired, both Scotland and England have had (and no doubt will have again) problems with football thugs.

Louise Barlow, Glasgow,

I'm living in the East End of Glasgow at the moment and have been warned never to go out into town on match days. It's a shame that thuggish behaviour by a minority of football fans has to cause so much fear and disgrace.

Emma, originally from Southampton

Emma, Southampton,

know wonder our youth behave so badly , look at the example these adults are setting. Beckham is in America promoting English football, Why?????
American soccer is a family occasion , enjoyable fun day out without violence. Over here it is promoted in the wrong way and the facilities stink.

fiona fox, Wrexham, uk

Well done Stan in Preston for having spotted the key to all this. The City of Manchester was boasting early yesterday of the huge boost to the local economy of 100,000+ high-spending visitors. That at least some of the supporters may not behave after a day of drinking the pubs of Manchester dry was not exactly a huge mental stretch. Even after the costs of the clean-up, the net benefit to the City will have been immense - the subsequent bleating is just hypocrisy.

Paul F, Reading,

yet again we witness the double standards that our "scottish friends" all too often display had this been english fans the scottish newspapers would have banner headlines such as "English scum" as an Englishman living in scotland i'm sick and tired of their rose tinted view of such events

George Cross, Glasgow,

Stuart Kane, Glasgow, Scotland please take note,

Interesting that you choose my comments from the dozens that are essentially saying the same thing.

My point was that Scotland have the hooligan pond life element to their football fans just like England sadly do as well.

Don't be so blind!

Alex, London,

This could be great news for Rangers' financial outlook - why bother paying players to kick a ball around, they could simply open the stadium every Saturday and let everyone have a fight. Those present wouldn't notice the difference.

Connor, London, UK

Once again we see the ´bravery´of football fans. Never one on one, always huge groups against single figures of police. Rangers fans pride themselves on an understanding of their history that apparently increases their passion for their club. In reality, non of them were in school enough to learn it

matt, Birmingham, England

It not just a question of hooliganism only it is a culture of cowardice were it is acceptable for people to act STUPID after a few drinks. If the English cant handle their drink they should stop drinking rather than blame poor alcohol for every STUPID act.

Samuel Nwaomu, Stoke-ont-rent, United Kingdom

Its a shame that a minority of Rangers fans let themselves and their club down. Man Utd fans should not pay the penalty for rangers hooligans.
Dean you know nothing of the reputation of Celtic fans. They're not saints either but they are well behaved for the most part.

McG, Ayr,

Whichever way you look at it, the fact remains that the minority were behaving like a bunch of spoilt kids! Celtic or any other team for that matter struggle with a small percentage of idiots as supporters but they played no part last night so blame & punish Gers!

Quentin, Pretoria,

This shouldnt have surprised anyone. The Rangers Firms don't, & never have, travelled following Scotland. They've always hooked up with England. Thats why they fly the Union Jack, it's always been a quirk that some (not all) of our nastier fans aren't even English, but unionist Scots.

Matt , Hereford, UK

50 Scots thugs kicking a policeman as he lies on the floor? A Rangers fan stabbing a russian fan... in the back? Is this what is known as 'Scotland the Brave'? Is this the peaceful fun-loving Tartan Army that we hear so much about? How about that army go clear up tons of the rubbish they left.

Garley, London, UK

I work in Manchester and yesterday, roads and public transport were packed 1st thing and fans were drunk at 8am. Today everyone has a story about some loutish behaviour they saw. I'm not usually one to blame the council for every little thing that goes wrong but, honestly, what were they thinking?!

Lucy, Manchester, UK

It is just not true that England fans 'rampaged' during Euro 2000. That story was entirely a media construct. Unfortunately, once a myth is established it becomes very difficult to dispel.

Frank Upton, Solihull,

Just to clarify for "Alex, London" who obviously has no idea what he is talking about, Rangers fans in no way represent Scotland or the Tartan Army. Glaswegian British is how their large element of morons describe themselves.

If you ever leave the confines of the M25, you might understand.

Ian, Houston, USA

Those CCTV images are disgusting. I wish I hadn't watched that now. I thought those days were gone. Rangers Football Club have to be banned from European competition next season. Utterly utterly disgusting.

julian, shrewsbury, uk

I was in Manchester yesterday as a Rangers fan and for the most part the day was very well humored and the majority of real fans conducted themselves well, The "FANS" who caused this should be identified where possible and dealt with severly. Scottish football and Rangers as a club should not suffer

Stuart, Doncaster, UK

Disappointed that celtic are tarnished with the same stick. Sorry to say but any team thats main symbol is the union jack is trouble. Rule britannia and all that nonsense. And any council putting up big screens, serving drink all day for profit is asking for trouble.

tommy, stockport, England

Their football supporters - should any one expect anything different of them?

Howard Ryan, London,

Cardiff managed 5 FA Cup Finals' with no incident. Is it the fans?

Sadly, the only way to force a minority to obey the law and rules is to punish the majority. Rangers need to be punished.

Rod, London,

Many of the comments here make reference to teh tartan Army being hooligans. The Tartan Army are in no way associated with the Rangers fans who acted like hooligns last night. A Rangers fan wouldn't wear a saltire for a start. It was RANGERS fans,

Fiona, Hampshire,

All non Rangers fans new this was trouble waiting to happen regardless of the score. Trouble follows them because the look for it. Every song they sing is about hate and murder, what else can you expect with that attitude? Not enough is done to stop the public singing of these songs.

Tommy, Glasgow, Scotland

Allison and Liam from Edinburgh grow up and see the
true picture.
The good work of Celtic supporters in Seville has
been undone by animals.
Now Manchester United can't watch their team in their own city.

Joe, Airdrie, Scotland

These clowns should be banned for at least a year . Last night scenes though sickening were inevitable as every time Rangers have taken vast numbers abroad there has been trouble (osasuna, villareal, barcelona and now manchester).What has to happen before these bigots end up killing someone.

Sweeney, Aberdeen, Scotland

I cant believe people are claiming this is a scots only problem - this is a social epidemic that manifests through football - take away the football and these people will still exist. Our problem is our ailing society, bereft of morals and purpose. This country is a disgrace.

Chris, Leeds,

When Rangers won the Cup Winners Cup in Barcelona in 1972 there were riots and subsequently the club was banned from European football. I can only hope UEFA have the guts to take the same action again this time.

Disgraceful scene and it was lucky no one was killed.

K Clark, Edinburgh,

To all those ignorant drunken Rangers fans that caused trouble last night..a big thankyou. We were looking forward to seeing the Champiions League final on the big screen. I hope you are kicked out of European football for the next couple of years.

kirk, Rotherham, UK

Rangers scumbags. They were a disgrace yesterday with their racist songs and false patriotism. They're stuck in the 70's.

Only good point is that they lost.

James, Manchester,

Why are you calling them "footbal thugs"? They are Brits, simple as that. They are your neighbours, friends and relatives. Brits are very quick in deminising others: Russians, Germans, French but still can't accept that your image is very low for the rest of the world. The people on the video: you.

Oleg, Toronto, Canada

One hundred thousand Celtic fans can go for a drink in Seville
whilst watching their team and not even a broken bottle .
I know where to point my children when it comes to picking their Scottish team.

Nick Dixon, Sutton Coldfield, England

We had the same problem with Rangers fans in Barcelone earlier this season. Manchester, Chelsea, Liverpool and Celtic fans? No problems. Rangers fans? Problems starting two or three days before the match. A real shame, since British tourists and fans tend to be well-behaved and a joy to talk to.

Joan, Barcelona, Spain

who is to say that it was only the rangers fans that were solely responsible for the fighting last night since it would be very easy for 42 english thugs to blend in with the supporters afterall this is their style. the other 199,958 were rangers supporters.

brian, glasgow, scotland

I think, the behaviour of the scottish was absolutely out of line
They come to someone elses town, and trash everything and just demolish everything in their way.

Pretty pathetic if you ask me and it just shows how sad they are up in scotland.

KEEP YOUR RIOTS TO YOURSELVES YOU DAFT MUGS

chris C, MANCHESTER!, england

What a disgrace...

Mickey, London,

Adding that fans without tickets should in future think twice about attending a city without tickets, [Gordon Brown] said: "If you want to come to a city where you do not have a ticket for a match, you need to think twice about that."


Erm... what, Prime Minister?
Freedom of movement, anyone?

Matt Turner, Brighton, England

What has the Tartan Army got to do with it? Look how many they took to Paris and there wasn't any trouble. Allowing so many to travel to Manchester and relaxing drinking laws was a bit idiotic. Feel sorry for the large numbers th