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Posted by: Editor on 2008-04-29 12:10:17
Updated by: Editor on 2008-05-18 11:19:19
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A real Landslide! The Operation Ore Group Action starts with a bang.

On Tuesday April 29 2008, the first actionee whose case has been heard and defended since the formation of the Operation Ore Group Action (class action) was found not guilty and acquitted of his incitement charge. CEOP and the police did not even bother turning up at court, let alone say sorry to him. Other cases may now be dropped.

When the case (in Northern Ireland) was all over on Tuesday April 29 , D, the winner said, “Now the group action begins!” But it has already begun with this first victory. We were not sure which would come first – the overturning through appeal of the first conviction or a successful defence in the first trial. The courts timetable decided that the latter would be the first test and we knew days ago that the prosecution had thrown in the towel and would not contest the case, so much could be revealed in court. However, it is our very first test and here we go now into the future and more cases. If this one incitement case has caused all incitement cases in Northern Ireland to be dropped, there should be a similar knock-on affect throughout the UK. But we are not just after incitement cases – we are after Ore. One commentator this morning said, "That is what I call a real landslide!”


How was this achieved?

Brian Rothery

I think that it may be useful to attempt to answer this question as it may hold lessons for any campaign for justice. When Ore was in full swing with dawn raids accompanied by television crews and the lives of men and their families being ruined, there appeared to be no way that any individual could fight back - thus the high number who accepted cautions to save themselves from prison or exposure in the media. A common problem was that no one accused under Ore could find a solicitor to defend him. In addition, most lost their jobs and were penniless or bankrupted and many also lost wives and families. The most frequent result was that people were completely broken and many committed suicide.

The media were mainly disinterested in stories of injustice under Ore and many media outlets were downright hostile. The tabloids could bring further disgrace and ruin onto the accused. No MP would respond to appeals as child porn accusations did not get them votes. The so-called Independent Police Complaints Commission treated complaints of abuse under Ore with contempt. From a very early stage, the few fighting back realized that the courts were their only hope. But no individual could afford the legal route and as it transpired the commencement of a proper group action required the raising of a very large sum of money, beyond the wildest dreams of Orees already ruined.

What has been achieved has been done so by a small group of individuals, including a few wives who stood by their men, forming a group, united by the common purpose of exposing the corruption and deceits of Operation Ore and of the police and prosecution service that mounted it. The obstacles were enormous, not the least of which was obtaining the evidence that the US authorities and UK police and prosecution had refused to show to the defence. One day we may be able to tell the exciting story of how that evidence, including the relevant FBI files, was obtained. An equally major problem was finding any expert witness brave enough to stand for the defence and even then suffer attacks from the police and prosecution, which was also the fate of other members of the action group. Some of the group have been wounded in the process, but the group has stood together. Now with its first success behind it, confirming much if not all that it has been claiming, perhaps some journalist or writer or MP will awaken and take note of what has been going on.

And what is at stake for society.

The morning after the case, an email from D to me contained the Edmund Burke quote, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Re-action to the news

The reaction is swift and congratulations and good wishes to the group action are being received. Here is the first from DV.

“The gravy train has just lost its wheels.

“No evidence was put forward by the prosecution, yet people have lost their lives, livelihoods, liberty and their children for the very same evidence. Worse, a web of lies and deceit were cast across the nation, costing people their lives, more than a hundred dead by public estimates. SOCA have been caught lying in court, lying in the media, lying in the House of Lords. Today silence, not a word from Russell Tyner at the CPS, not a word from SOCA's director general Bill Hughes whose own audit just uncovered financial irregularities, not a word from Jim Gamble who just trumpeted CEOP's achievements as their budget came up for review.

“It was not the tip of an iceberg that came off today but the destruction of the foundation lies on which Operation Ore relied. That is a Landslide and there will be an avalanche and the data mining operation called Ore has just been busted in court in no short measure due to the two experts whom Russel Tyner of the Crown Prosecution Service attempted to silence only a few days before.

“After some five years of madness, mayhem and devastation for one man the war declared by Jim Gamble of CEOP is over.”

From S (a wife)

"That is the best news that we have heard in God knows how long. How D must be feeling right now only we can image. Please pass on our congratulations to him, but let's not forget to thank the people behind this magnificent achievement and let's hope this success will continue for all."

Editor: Yes D has been thanking them and we'll name them if we get their permission to do so, although they may prefer to wait for more action.

From George in Edinburgh

"Is it poetic justice that the fall of Operation Ore commences in Northern Ireland, home of its champion, Jim Gamble? He was also head of the Northern Ireland anti-terrorist intelligence unit."

Join the Operation Ore Group Action

Even though the group action is underway, if you have been injured by Ore, you can, and should, join in it now. Use a pseudonym if you are still nervous. Simply email the EDITOR.

How senior policeman, Jim Gamble, fooled the House of Lords.

Jim Gamble speaking to the House of Lords about Operation Ore and other child porn raids said: "We never prosecute someone simply on the basis of their credit card being used."

We have evidence of this statement from the House of Lords Minutes of Evidence (proof copy) taken before the Select Committee on Science and Technology (sub-committee ii) Personal Internet Security, Wednesday 10 January 2007. See page 24 of 47;

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. Abraham Lincoln, (attributed).

Jim Gamble has made Jumping Jacks of the media. See his Latest Jack. Let's hope that he has not really fooled the House of Lords also.

"We never prosecute someone simply on the basis of their credit card being used."

On 1 June 2007 in a follow up letter to Lord Broers at the House of Lords, Jim Gamble wrote, “We note that Kean Songy suggests one of the possible options is that there was no fraud." (in the Landslide operation that spawned Operation Ore). Kean Songy was Chief Financial Officer at Landslide. What Jim Gamble appears not to have informed the House of Lords is that he had evidence that suggested the opposite. First his colleague Sharon Girling brought back evidence of fraud from the US and second, and most notably, Kean Songy had written by fax to the company providing credit card clearance on August 24, 1999 about the ‘chargeback’ situation, which was so bad that it was to shortly shut Landslide down. In the fax which both Jim Gamble and we have a copy of Songy even added that Landslide had 'hired four new computer programmers within the past 90 days to work on fraud and loss prevention tools to decrease charge backs’.

So the House of Lords has been assured that there was no fraud.

Watch this space!

Another crime has been reported to the British police

Although all previous attempts to report certain crimes committed by the British police and related agencies have ended up nowhere, one more related crime has now been reported.

The main problem appears to be that in a police state you cannot report crimes committed by the police to the police, especially when that is your only avenue. Some of our colleagues tried going down the IPCC road, that is trying to report police corruption to the official agency responsible for considering complaints against the police and that failed – indeed the IPCC responses could be regarded as contemptuous. Previous complaints included evidence of deceit and open lying in police evidence used to prosecute innocent individuals and illegal child pornography images emailed presumably by the police to activists campaigning against Operation Ore. That the police refused to accept the latter when one individual attempted to return it to them tends to confirm their involvement.

Here now is our latest report of a crime involving a police agency. Possession of child pornography images with the intent to show others. And possibly incitement and 'making'. On April 15 2008, Nicky Campbell from Radio Five in the UK visited CEOP, the UK child online protection group run by the police, under Jim Gamble who was one of the principal promoters of Operation Ore and its chief spokesman. Jim Gamble is perhaps the main grandstander on child porn, constantly harping on the need for vigilance in the safeguarding of children from it. A principle tenet of CEOP is that every time an image of a child abused is viewed, the act of viewing abuses that child all over again.

Nicky Campbell has now openly admitted that CEOP allowed him to view images of child pornography during his visit. This is evidence of a criminal offence. The evidence is available on the BBC iPlayer (1hr15mins into the show) HERE.

As it is likely that CEOP will now ask the BBC to remove it, a copy is available HERE.

Here is a transcript:

Nicky Campbell
I had a bad night’s sleep last night, bad dreams. I will tell you why later on. We went round, me and one of the producers, CEOP which is the child online exploitation protection people, run by the police.

Shelagh Fogaty
We have had them on the phone many times haven’t we?

Nicky Campbell
Jim Gamble … we were doing a broadcast from there. It was London, their headquarters. They have had very many high profile cases, many ongoing cases and stuff that they can’t talk about and stuff that they will talk about. But we saw the operation. We saw the … em … er … the room where they look at online stuff. I met the people and I didn’t see much, but just the tiny percentage I did see will stay with me forever. And those guys and women they’ve got to look at that stuff all the time and I think that they are absolutely heroic.

Shelagh Fogaty
And they live with it.

Nicky Campbell
They’ve got families and they’ve got children. And very often they go and they pose as these people online, you know. They infiltrate websites, its amazing work. We’re doing a broadcast from there on Monday. It was something which deeply affected me yesterday; I didn’t sleep at all well because of it last night.

Shelagh Fogaty
I am not surprised.

Nicky Campbell
And I got home and I wanted to tell my wife. She said “I don’t want to know, I don’t want to know, I don’t want to hear, don’t tell me.” It’s too disturbing. But that’s coming up on Monday. I think you’ll find it absolutely fascinating. Accentuating the positive, the fantastic work that they do as well this coming Monday on five live breakfast.


When considering these stories about the sufferings of the police who have to view child porn it may be helpful to reflect on the fact that the main, if not the only, publishers of child pornography in the West are the police forces who use it for entrapment. There is an example of this in the almost incredible (for its sheer nerve) Masha case in the US. Other deceits can be seen in the many public statements made by the UK police concerning Operation Ore. See Jim Gamble’s recent statement to the House of Lords.

It is very much in the interest of CEOP in particular and that of both the British and US police forces that the empowerment and financial rewards that child pornography bring to them be maintained. We have learned that as in similar facilities in the FBI, police officers in the UK, masquerading as young women and boys offering themselves as bait over chatrooms, revel in their work. See below.

From inside the police force

We have a report from a police insider about how many of his colleagues actually reacted to both adult and child pornography. His experiences go back over several decades to when he was first a young cadet in what was then a mainly male preserve. He received his first, much of it shocking to him, initiation into the world of pornography from his older police colleagues who ‘sickened him with their canteen culture’. They pushed the first ever hard core magazines he had seen right in front of his face, as he put it, “Gloating over them.” He was shown child porn magazines brought back from Amsterdam. Those particular images were ‘treated as a joke’.

The first women to arrive in the force were treated in a highly sexist manner and were also exposed to pornography. Only as the number of women in the force increased, especially in senior ranks, did the macho culture of open pornographic display decrease and become more covert. Our source was shocked that many of the same men who had revelled in the pornography were assigned roles in child protection and particularly in the investigation of child sex abuse. These men were now being paid to study child pornography and soon he could hear them tell the media about fatigue and burn-out concerning images they had formerly gloated over. He questioned how any men of their calibre and obvious low education and sensitivity could be charged with the responsibility of monitoring the morality of others.

There are honest and honourable police men who have been disgusted by the behaviour of their colleagues. It may be some time, if at all, before this information can be produced, certainly not before successful court action on another front or perhaps in the event of a public enquiry, as our informants have their own lives and those of their families to protect, but the information from inside is being collected and stored safely.

A complaint has now been officially made

The Metropolitan Police have now been contacted and a complaint made. If anyone else wishes to report this incident to the police the number for the Met is 020 723 01212.


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